Whats the point of a livejasmin.com master account if the models can see who they work for??? - GoFuckYourself.com

pimpmaster9000 · 04-17-2012, 12:33 PM

What is the point of livejasmin.com "master accounts" where you can sign up your own models to work, if the models can see that they are working for livejasmin??? I mean on the first page of their site it says "models wanted" they will figure out that they do not need a "master" and sign up for themselves and get to keep all the money???

I asked the live jasmin support about this they said they do not offer this option...

I can understand livejasmin,.com they get to keep the models for themselves but I do not understand why somebody would refer models to them only to get them taken away...They do not offer even a minimal amount of protection....

Sure I am a parasite but this parasite invests money in clean rooms for the girls, furniture, education, computers, transport for the girls and I even pay taxes..I would expect at least some protection from my business partners....

Does anybody know anyone from livejasmin.com that I could e-mail about this|? I spoke to their technical staff they were very helpful but its always good to talk to somebody high up...maybe I can get them to do it...

porno jew · 04-17-2012, 12:35 PM

tell them if they don't work under your account they don't get "furniture, education, computers, transport for the girls?"

epitome · 04-17-2012, 12:37 PM

The services you provide for models justify your cut. All of those things you listed you do.

If I recall, VS doesn't let a model sign up again if they are in a studio. Have you asked LJ if they do the same?

Not listing models wanted on the site won't prevent models from figuring out what site they are broadcasting on.

pimpmaster9000 · 04-17-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Not listing models wanted on the site won't prevent models from figuring out what site they are broadcasting on.

Yes but its strange to me that they do not offer their master account owners ANY protection at all. Some of the girls are too stupid to know what a master account is, they will think I am the owner or what not, but other girls will figure it out in 5 min.

WHY do models need to know? No reason at all. Sure they can ask a customer "what site am i on" but if livejasmin.com makes it easy as shit for them to figure out, and the models know each other, this will in time cost me a lot. Why make it so easy for me to lose girls to livejasmin?

pimpmaster9000 · 04-17-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

tell them if they don't work under your account they don't get "furniture, education, computers, transport for the girls?"

no problem for most of the girls...but the smart ones are the ones who make money...and I want to keep them as long as possible...

DWB · 04-17-2012, 12:47 PM

That is how pimping works. You provide all the things you claim to provide, they do what they do, and you get paid. Just tell them straight up, this is what I do for you, and this is how much % I'm taking. (real street pimps often take 100%)

No need to be sneaking around if you're trying to run a legit business and take care of the girls. Who cares if they know? Just tell them how it is and they can take it or leave it.

Your pimp hand is weak.

DWB · 04-17-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

no problem for most of the girls...but the smart ones are the ones who make money...and I want to keep them as long as possible...

In all seriousness, stronger pimp skills are needed.

And if they are really that smart, they will see the benefit of what you provide for them and pay you for it.

DWB · 04-17-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

WHY do models need to know? No reason at all.

Because not everyone is trying to game the models.

pimpmaster9000 · 04-17-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

stronger pimp skills are needed.

I have no problem with getting them to do what I want. But I want to keep my models. Not give them for free to livejasmin.com.

What I do not understand is why livejasmin.com needs to advertise to MY models at all. Its MY master account there should be no "come work with us fuck your master account owner over" option.

pimpmaster9000 · 04-17-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Because not everyone is trying to game the models.

Then why offer a master account in the first place? Why stab your master account owners in the back? Its like saying:

"Hey girls come work for us, fuck our business partner, we can cut him out, you don't need him"

porno jew · 04-17-2012, 12:59 PM

obvious you give your girls fuck all since there is no advantage working for themselves than for you.

pimpmaster9000 · 04-17-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

obvious you give your girls fuck all since there is no advantage working for themselves than for you.

well if the work for themselves they get to keep all...if they work for me they get to keep half...the advantage for working solo is huge...

DWB · 04-17-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

I have no problem with getting them to do what I want. But I want to keep my models. Not give them for free to livejasmin.com.

What I do not understand is why livejasmin.com needs to advertise to MY models at all. Its MY master account there should be no "come work with us fuck your master account owner over" option.

You have to give them a reason to need you.

I have cam girls. I do the same thing. Make them believe they need you and they won't go anywhere.

Create some fake computer problems that they NEED YOU to fix. Use your head. Outsmart them. You'll always have some girls who think they are smarter, and maybe they are, so you may lose some here and there. That's how it works.

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Then why offer a master account in the first place? Why stab your master account owners in the back? Its like saying:

"Hey girls come work for us, fuck our business partner, we can cut him out, you don't need him"

Because without a master account they have to pay the models directly. With a master account they pay YOU. That is why they have it. That is how you need it to be. Otherwise you will get the shaft when the girls are collecting the money.

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Originally Posted by porno jew

obvious you give your girls fuck all since there is no advantage working for themselves than for you.

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

well if the work for themselves they get to keep all...if they work for me they get to keep half...the advantage for working solo is huge...

Not if you create the right situation for them to need you.

It's not that hard man. If you provide for them and make them need you, 9 out of 10 girls will stay with you. What do they think, that you're doing this out of the kindness of your heart? Tell them up front what is going on and man up. They will respect that or they won't. But you don't want any girls who don't respect you hanging around anyway.

campimp · 04-18-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Your pimp hand is weak.

lagcam · 04-18-2012, 07:19 AM

Sites prefer to pay studios rather than individual performers.

It is a lot easier and cheaper for them to pay one studio, and let him pay his 10 models than to have to make 10 smaller payments directly to the models.

I have had studios asking me to lock performers out of knowing how much they earned or even how many minutes they have earned before, but never has anybody asked me to block them from seeing what site they are working on.

As DWB explained, to run a successful studio, you need to add something of value to the equation for your performers. Be it technical support, training, education, a safe place to work, the loan of a pc etc but something. If you are just standing between them and the sites and taking money from them without contributing anything then yes, most will soon rightly realise they don't need you.

nikki99 · 04-18-2012, 07:33 AM

models are not stupid anymore.......... oh wait

shimmy2 · 04-18-2012, 07:45 AM

apts are cheap enough here where I setup a reliable girl with a little studio, a computer, basic furnishing, and whatever else she needed to get camming online. i tested her a few times at my place on a few sites just to make sure she grasped the concept and things are going well. my cut is a flat 30% on everything. could she do this without me? maybe with lots of research and some investment money to get her own place etc... but most girls will not take that risk/initiative. you are holding their hand through the entire process AND taking care of them from a business end, all they have to do is put their time in so I think thats fair enough. no reason to get at them sideways and hide things from them

Tom_PM · 04-18-2012, 07:49 AM

I havent worked with cams at all, but...
Isn't the answer obvious?

Because they can, and because they can get some models that way. If you want to use it, then you have to accept that it's possible for a model to work directly for them I guess.

Shriner · 04-18-2012, 08:47 AM

Almost all models are dumb and most are really fucking dumb. Just tell them you are Live Jasmin. Tell them you own part of the company. Tell them they are getting paid by a different company because you need legal separation to protect from lawsuits and for tax benefits.

lazycash · 04-18-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You have to give them a reason to need you.

I have cam girls. I do the same thing. Make them believe they need you and they won't go anywhere.

Create some fake computer problems that they NEED YOU to fix. Use your head. Outsmart them. You'll always have some girls who think they are smarter, and maybe they are, so you may lose some here and there. That's how it works.

Because without a master account they have to pay the models directly. With a master account they pay YOU. That is why they have it. That is how you need it to be. Otherwise you will get the shaft when the girls are collecting the money.

Not if you create the right situation for them to need you.

It's not that hard man. If you provide for them and make them need you, 9 out of 10 girls will stay with you. What do they think, that you're doing this out of the kindness of your heart? Tell them up front what is going on and man up. They will respect that or they won't. But you don't want any girls who don't respect you hanging around anyway.

pimpmaster9000 · 04-18-2012, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You have to give them a reason to need you.

I have cam girls. I do the same thing. Make them believe they need you and they won't go anywhere.

Create some fake computer problems that they NEED YOU to fix. Use your head. Outsmart them. You'll always have some girls who think they are smarter, and maybe they are, so you may lose some here and there. That's how it works.

Because without a master account they have to pay the models directly. With a master account they pay YOU. That is why they have it. That is how you need it to be. Otherwise you will get the shaft when the girls are collecting the money.

Not if you create the right situation for them to need you.

It's not that hard man. If you provide for them and make them need you, 9 out of 10 girls will stay with you. What do they think, that you're doing this out of the kindness of your heart? Tell them up front what is going on and man up. They will respect that or they won't. But you don't want any girls who don't respect you hanging around anyway.

You are right. Agree on everything.

Most women are chicken brains and they need guidance and a guy like me has no problem with this, they see me as their "leader" anyway. What I do have a problem with is that the FEW very very smart girls are also the ones who will probably be making a lot of money. I do not want them going away and I will place them on other programs and not livejasmin.com. Luxury houses are very cheap to rent down here and I will keep them all in one house and I do not want that kind of news spreading to the other girls as well. I will offer them a dream world and for 95% this will be enough to stay.

I am new to the business and found it strange that livejasmin.com offer their master account owners no protection at all and that it is so very very obvious to models that they do not need their "masters" all they have to do is go to the homepage of livejasmin.com and see "models wanted"....

In defense of livejasmin.com they did say that they will pass on my suggestion to their developers and I guess I will be giving them a call in a few months to see if they are now offering adequate protection for their business partners.

Thanks to everybody who replied.

DWB · 04-18-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

You are right. Agree on everything.

Most women are chicken brains and they need guidance and a guy like me has no problem with this, they see me as their "leader" anyway. What I do have a problem with is that the FEW very very smart girls are also the ones who will probably be making a lot of money. I do not want them going away and I will place them on other programs and not livejasmin.com. Luxury houses are very cheap to rent down here and I will keep them all in one house and I do not want that kind of news spreading to the other girls as well. I will offer them a dream world and for 95% this will be enough to stay.

I am new to the business and found it strange that livejasmin.com offer their master account owners no protection at all and that it is so very very obvious to models that they do not need their "masters" all they have to do is go to the homepage of livejasmin.com and see "models wanted"....

In defense of livejasmin.com they did say that they will pass on my suggestion to their developers and I guess I will be giving them a call in a few months to see if they are now offering adequate protection for their business partners.

Thanks to everybody who replied.

You won't be able to keep 100% of the girls forever. You have to swallow that right now. You may lose some big money makers. But the GREAT thing about dealing with models is, new ones turn 18 every single day. Don't sweat the things you can't control. But always be on the grind looking for new models.

The current models seeing the new ones coming in may create some healthy competition, as well as the competition that already stands between the current girls. Girls are very competitive. Create a situation where they can earn extra money by being the best. Post it on a wall so all the girls see it daily and most of them will strive to not be out done by the other girls. List them in order of money earned and reward the top girl with something nice like 10 - 20% more pay for that period. Then drop the lowest girl by 10 - 20%. Or adjust all their pay based on ranking for that period. Lots of options. They all want to be the best. Reward those who are. It will keep them hungry.

pimpmaster9000 · 04-18-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You won't be able to keep 100% of the girls forever. You have to swallow that right now. You may lose some big money makers. But the GREAT thing about dealing with models is, new ones turn 18 every single day. Don't sweat the things you can't control. But always be on the grind looking for new models.

The current models seeing the new ones coming in may create some healthy competition, as well as the competition that already stands between the current girls. Girls are very competitive. Create a situation where they can earn extra money by being the best. Post it on a wall so all the girls see it daily and most of them will strive to not be out done by the other girls. List them in order of money earned and reward the top girl with something nice like 10 - 20% more pay for that period. Then drop the lowest girl by 10 - 20%. Or adjust all their pay based on ranking for that period. Lots of options. They all want to be the best. Reward those who are. It will keep them hungry.

I can live with that no problem. Was just wondering why they make it so easy for girls to cross over when there is no need for this. Points taken on the competition/incentive advice. Will do. Thanks!

nikki99 · 04-18-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shriner

Almost all models are dumb and most are really fucking dumb. J

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nikki99 · 04-19-2012, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by models.xcams

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Wilsy · 04-19-2012, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

What is the point of livejasmin.com "master accounts" where you can sign up your own models to work, if the models can see that they are working for livejasmin??? I mean on the first page of their site it says "models wanted" they will figure out that they do not need a "master" and sign up for themselves and get to keep all the money???

I asked the live jasmin support about this they said they do not offer this option...

I can understand livejasmin,.com they get to keep the models for themselves but I do not understand why somebody would refer models to them only to get them taken away...They do not offer even a minimal amount of protection....

Sure I am a parasite but this parasite invests money in clean rooms for the girls, furniture, education, computers, transport for the girls and I even pay taxes..I would expect at least some protection from my business partners....

Does anybody know anyone from livejasmin.com that I could e-mail about this|? I spoke to their technical staff they were very helpful but its always good to talk to somebody high up...maybe I can get them to do it...

What country are you in?

NALEM · 04-22-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You won't be able to keep 100% of the girls forever. You have to swallow that right now. You may lose some big money makers. But the GREAT thing about dealing with models is, new ones turn 18 every single day. Don't sweat the things you can't control. But always be on the grind looking for new models.

The current models seeing the new ones coming in may create some healthy competition, as well as the competition that already stands between the current girls. Girls are very competitive. Create a situation where they can earn extra money by being the best. Post it on a wall so all the girls see it daily and most of them will strive to not be out done by the other girls. List them in order of money earned and reward the top girl with something nice like 10 - 20% more pay for that period. Then drop the lowest girl by 10 - 20%. Or adjust all their pay based on ranking for that period. Lots of options. They all want to be the best. Reward those who are. It will keep them hungry.

Some excellent advice there. I've chatted with a studio owner in Europe, where he has a hard time, getting them to come to work on-time for their shift, or worse ... they dont even show after payday, until they run out of money. Its not easy, but having fixed $ penalties in place, enforced over time, coupled with posting the earning of the models, IMHO is the right conditioning needed.

nikki99 · 04-22-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM

Some excellent advice there. I've chatted with a studio owner in Europe, where he has a hard time, getting them to come to work on-time for their shift, or worse ... they dont even show after payday, until they run out of money. Its not easy, but having fixed $ penalties in place, enforced over time, coupled with posting the earning of the models, IMHO is the right conditioning needed.

no blurry cams?

pimpmaster9000 · 04-23-2012, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by andrew.r

What country are you in?

Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Croatia

Paul Markham · 04-23-2012, 06:12 AM

There's only one way to keep a model exclusive.

Pay here more than the competition.

</endthread>

CaptainHowdy · 04-23-2012, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by models.xcams

Hello all!

Maybe it's time to sign up with xmodels. ch, we bring more benefits to our partners than LJ.
If you need more information, please Skype me: support.xmodels
Im the Xmodels studio account manager and I am always available for the best opportunities.

Cheers

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nikki99 · 04-23-2012, 07:19 AM

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04-17-2012, 12:33 PM	#1
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	Whats the point of a livejasmin.com master account if the models can see who they work for??? What is the point of livejasmin.com "master accounts" where you can sign up your own models to work, if the models can see that they are working for livejasmin??? I mean on the first page of their site it says "models wanted" they will figure out that they do not need a "master" and sign up for themselves and get to keep all the money??? I asked the live jasmin support about this they said they do not offer this option... I can understand livejasmin,.com they get to keep the models for themselves but I do not understand why somebody would refer models to them only to get them taken away...They do not offer even a minimal amount of protection.... Sure I am a parasite but this parasite invests money in clean rooms for the girls, furniture, education, computers, transport for the girls and I even pay taxes..I would expect at least some protection from my business partners.... Does anybody know anyone from livejasmin.com that I could e-mail about this\|? I spoke to their technical staff they were very helpful but its always good to talk to somebody high up...maybe I can get them to do it...

04-18-2012, 07:19 AM	#15
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porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	tell them if they don't work under your account they don't get "furniture, education, computers, transport for the girls?"

04-17-2012, 12:37 PM	#3
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	The services you provide for models justify your cut. All of those things you listed you do. If I recall, VS doesn't let a model sign up again if they are in a studio. Have you asked LJ if they do the same? Not listing models wanted on the site won't prevent models from figuring out what site they are broadcasting on.

04-17-2012, 12:47 PM	#6
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	That is how pimping works. You provide all the things you claim to provide, they do what they do, and you get paid. Just tell them straight up, this is what I do for you, and this is how much % I'm taking. (real street pimps often take 100%) No need to be sneaking around if you're trying to run a legit business and take care of the girls. Who cares if they know? Just tell them how it is and they can take it or leave it. Your pimp hand is weak.

04-17-2012, 12:59 PM	#11
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	obvious you give your girls fuck all since there is no advantage working for themselves than for you.

04-18-2012, 08:47 AM	#19
Shriner Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 25	Almost all models are dumb and most are really fucking dumb. Just tell them you are Live Jasmin. Tell them you own part of the company. Tell them they are getting paid by a different company because you need legal separation to protect from lawsuits and for tax benefits.

04-19-2012, 01:13 AM	#25
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04-23-2012, 06:12 AM	#31
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