ninavain

Rule #1: Get the fuck out of the way
You are so use to being on top of the model, you are losing the essences of the NATURAL feel of the content..leave the room let her do her thing

Rule #2 Hi quality photos is ironic and doesn't make sense in this niche..some blurry, some not as big as others, some that looks like ex Bf took them as well.

Rule #3 NOT all of it should be nude..again this makes NO sense.. the "models" should not look as though they are modeling..out at the club..eating a burger, trying on shoes..these types of pix are even MORE important than the nudes.. because it delivers the "realness" to the surfer

and also..the big secret: I just BUY pix from the girls directly from facebook..have them sign the release send back w/ID...send them a paypal.. saves me time and trouble.

80% of my videos are girls shooting it themselves..it's hotter when a girl is holding a camera in one hand while fucking herself in the ass w/ the other..she really wants you to have a good angle on that...it makes it hotter and when they TALK directly to the surfer..cha-ching gold

epitome

While 100% spot on, half won't grasp it and the other half scrapes content.

ninavain

and here's samples of a nice MIX of regular stuff mixed with nude...both is just as important to the OVERALL niche...not just a bitch in the bathroom mirror..the Gf sites out there are all starting to look alike and very STALE...this is why FACEBOOK continues to get all my attention..

Just Alex

Lets ask Paul Markham.

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Mutt

agreed. you and adendreams know how to shoot ex-gf - not many others do.

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kal86

looks hot

ninavain

it's the simple NON -sexual clips and pix that really add a punch to it..
Girls dying their hair, chicks fussing with each other, putting on makeup..rolling on the floor.. I currently have a "personal" collection of girls that have sent me cellphone pix through facebook that would blow you away...

JaveWolf

Thnx for the advise,
After years out of the adult business I've decided to come back again.
So, I might hit you up for some content if possible. pricing etc.

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Paul Markham

The problem is getting 18+ girls to do this. By the time they have become 18 they have heard many stories of girls being found out, blackmailed, bullied, taunted and exposed.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...osses-the-line

However a wild crazy 19 year old might be a lot cheaper than a pro shooter who has expenses and models to pay.

Ultimately this content is easy to produce, if the price paid covers the work required.

As an ex professional porn producer I found shooting my glam teen rubbish for the dying magazine market out paid shooting for the brand new, cool kids on the block, Internet Gurus by a factor of 10. And so did most shooters who could shoot for offline.

Nina ultimately it comes down to price and ROI. If the girls on FB can produce great pics and videos for less money than a professional can, then fine. I could earn more not competing with them. Also if you can buy from them so can every other site owner. So sharing the advice isn't a good idea.

Creating something like Met Art do is a lot tougher but far more rewarding. Because so few can do it.

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Paul Markham

How to shoot great Exgf content.

Find a pretty girl over 18 who will model clothed and nude for money. Take her to the mall and shoot pics of her shopping, eating a burger, taking piss and shooting herself in the washrooms mirror, then take her to her home and shoot her in half a dozen outfits, dressed to underwear, in bedroom, kitchen, living room, garden, in the shower, bath on the bed masturbating and POV sucking cock.

Then sell it for $300 exclusive.

Or shoot a set in the studio with strobes and sell it to magazines for $3,000 and retain copyright to use on a paysite and sell from your stores.

Or go to FB and get dumb girls to give you the stuff for peanuts.

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ninavain

sweet geezus dude, you have no clue..this is not about Glam content

Paul Markham

No it's about what it costs to produce what you want and the reason no one who can shoot for a better paying market bothers with shooting Ex Gf.

You might as well say, "go ask girls on FB".

Because to shoot anything that fits the niche for Ex Gf sites, costs money.

A shooter could do a casting and shoot a 20 pics of a girl and earn $400 from the shots and retain copyright. Why should anyone who can do that even bother to shoot for your market?

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TheSquealer

Except for the fact that you can't... which is why you ultimately went broke and had to beg for money on this forum and have your wife get a job as a maid to pay your bills.


You giving business advice is like a serial murderer giving advice on dating.

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ninavain

the girls on Facebook for peanuts=the shit that sales in 2012
fuck when was the last time I even purchased a magazine..please shut the fuck up

ninavain

why should you even bother posting in this thread with your old school ass

ninavain

Paul Markham

Lousy excuses.

The same applies to anyone who can shoot for a better paying market. Be it magazines which were the best paying for shooters, to Met-Art, to Twistys, to Brazzers, to Teen Dreams, to Karups.

All you're doing is spamming your site. With pointless info which if looked at closely = I can't afford more than FB prices.

Believing Squealer shows a lack of intelligence. He said I was going broke in 2004, the year Eva and I went to Thailand and Florida for holidays. Can prove it with stamps in our passports. Still not broke and insulting Eva is his level. He must be finding business hard.

I'm just pointing out that what you want can be shot in bucket loads, if you can afford to pay the price. If not deal with girls on FB.

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looky_lou

Or, if shot properly, sell it for $300 non-exclusive and sell it 10 times.

Good luck. Tell me how that is going for you nowadays?

Authentic content at a reasonable price. 0 investment or risk in asking.

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Paul Markham

Good luck finding 10 Ex Gf sites sites who can pay that amount.

Today it's all gone. Like converting 1-100. Happy to of retired on the money we earned and still got everything left to sell, see sig.

I boldened the relevant part.

My point is this.

Anyone today can shoot this content, it's not hard. Ultimately if the shooter isn't the right personality to motivate the girl while shooting her, get the girl to shoot it herself to instructions.

The problems are, affording to pay her, paying her when she gets it wrong, adding a profit for a content producer or making a profit from it by doing it for one's own site.

Very, very little content in porn is hard to get. From Ex Gf to Met Art or above. There's only one problem. Paying for it.

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TheSquealer

Oh... well OK then. Right before your business fully imploded, you took 2 vacations and you're willing to prove it. I feel bad now because clearly you're not a lunatic. Don't worry,... I just got off the phone with Richard Branson and he did confirm both your status as a billionaire and your 2 alleged vacations which you apparently are prepared to prove you took.

I wasn't insulting Eva. Her only fault as a person is her judgement in deciding to spend her life with you. I (as always) am pointing out the simple fact that SHE was shooting all your content at the time and SHE had to get a menial job because YOU weren't able to sell content and YOU were failing at business.

Anyway Paul, this really isn't fair to you or her. You need to relax. I'm sure the stress of dealing with your early onset aggressive dementia is not easy for anyone in your house to deal with, so I can definitely forgive you for your constant lies and distortions of the truth.

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DamianJ

This is excellent. Paul telling someone they would make more money selling to magazines 20 years ago.

Paul, love, I know you are losing your marbles, but do you think you have you invented a time machine?

TisMe

Congrats, I've never seen Paul summed up so well in one sentence.

u-Bob

A good thread that died the moment Paul Markham entered.

MaDalton

i like my numbers on exGF content

reminds me to release our latest packages

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Freaky_Akula

This is why there are almost no more business threads on GFY. Paul Markham derails them with his stupidity.

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epitome

No shortage of people willing to do it for $100 or $200. I know because I pay them to do it.

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Intredasting... So you dont actually inspect the model ID yourself?

Let us know how that 20+ yrs in Federal goes for distributing CP.

Paul Markham

Which is why, I'm retired living without a money care in the world and Nina is buying content off FB.

I'm assuming before she sends any money she does a rigorous check on the ID. Checks it's real, checks the money is going to the person in the ID, checks the explicit content was taken after the model was 18. Checks the signature on the ID against the signature on the model release, asks for 2 IDs or proof she's dealing with the right person.

No one would be so flippant to ignore those factors when dealing with girls or ex BFs sending nude content off of FB. That would be silly.

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ninavain

first of all, they aren't making a ton of money to begin with..so faking an ID for a few dollars seems highly unlikely...plus I'm buying/contacting them on FACEBOOK w/ all of their info for the world to see...girls don't fake their info on FB...GUYS/webmasters pretending to be girls DO fake it..and I can tell the difference pretty fast

ninavain

yea he fucked it all, with his "I-know-it-all" wisdom.. it really does take this board down a few notches and makes guys that want to reach out to fellow WM to just move on and say fuck it..figure it out yourself

ninavain

and ex BFs' would hold 2 copies of the Gfs ID on file, right?? Troll much...explicit content is not really what I look for..I know that sounds wacky and crazy to you, but non-nude, teasing pix are more the goal..I can get the explicit stuff from others in the biz or wanting to be in the biz

Dirty F

So who's behind the keyboard today? Is this white trash Simon or white trash Nina?
How many nicks do you imbeciles use nowadays to spam the boards with your shitty content?

Paul Markham

So the method is explained. It's cheap.

You hope. There are other motives besides money.

Yes every girl on FB is real.

Great guess work.

Seriously can't you see why I have so little respect for people who don't make enough money to keep it legal or invest in a business?

I spent decades investing in my business, buying equipment, paying girls, film and everything else. to send to publisher who would pay $1,000s for the content non exclusive. Which is why I had no intention of taking on Squealers ideas. And now am able to retire.

And someone posts a method of getting cheap content that's risky at best, at worse could land them in prison.

All because they can't afford to invest in their business.

Sorry if I upset your little cheap world.

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ninavain

Paul..I don't know you man and it's cool you throwing two cents in, but you don't even Offer this type of content...so how can you say it's more or less than what you have to sell

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ninavain

Look you didn't upset me at all...my content is used on the promos of almost every major dating site and exgf site.. not upset at all. You lack understanding in things you do not shoot. This is just one of the many "Cheap world" niches i shoot that bring in lots of "cheap world" money.
1. verbal humiliation-(http://clips4sale.com/studio/10131#5542165)
2. Financial domination-(http://clips4sale.com/studio/9360#5542165)
3. non nude lap dance -( http://clips4sale.com/studio/10257#5542165)
4. jerk off mockery -(http://clips4sale.com/studio/17010)
5. chewing, laughing, mouth fetishes- (http://clips4sale.com/studio/11187#5542165)
6. booty shaking ( http://roxy.shakinit.com http://justine.shakinit.com)
and so on and so on.

so it's ok you don't "get it" I have no ill will towards you and I can keep these little cheap niches all to myself

Paul Markham

Now all the explicit stuff is from professionals.

What 2 IDs do you get?

OK the reason I don't offer it is there's a lot more money shooting other stuff. I worked in an area where few online content providers could or bothered to work. It required certain skills and the ability to wait 6 months before any money came back.

But from a days shot we made $6,000 and more. Shooting lesbian, multi girl and boy girl we made a lot more.

We did shoot "Readers Wives" content for magazines and one set of 20 shots would return $400 for a us and then the UK license. with us holding copyright.

I could of shot great Ex Gf content for you. If you could pay the price I wanted. Ultimately you and all the other Ex Gf and amateur sites simply didn't and still don't pay the money that others pay.

Look at it like an affiliate. Work 8 hours a day working for a sponsor where you earn $100 or work for a sponsor where you earn $1,000 for the same effort.

Professionals will churn out this content all day long. All you have to do is be able to afford it. Or stay with girls on FB.

Glad you don't take it personally. I'm retired now so no problems. And we worked in a better paying section so we're fine.

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ninavain

why don't you ask Theo you fucking troll bitch

DamianJ

Fixed your typo, genius.

ninavain

anexsia

Don't listen to anyone, your exgf content is great and you're right, so many "professional" shooters get it so wrong.

I've promoted a lot of professionally done exgf content and also a lot of real/amateur exgf content and the professionally done stuff converts like SHIT. I love real EXGF content and it aggravates me seeing some of the programs on this forum churn out their latest "EXGFS EXPOSED!!!" sites and have pornstars on their tour or photos that look like the photographer tried to get a model to act like a teen taking self nude shots...and just failed miserably.

NaughtyRob

And I don't?

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Good thread till PM came into it and ruined it like he does with every other thread.

Ninavain how do you recruit models on Facebook? Via a fan page or do you just contact girls you like the look of?

epitome

LOL at the people talking about an ID possibly being fake when you're most likely promoting ex-gf sites that use scraped content.

Newsflash, when you buy content off somebody that they film themselves, they are the producer of said content. You can be given a fake ID in person just as easily as online (Bianca Moore and many others).

You do not need to physically inspect the actual ID, just like you don't when you buy content from another producer. You get docs. You get them with photos of the ID next to their face and you get a secondary form of ID ... that isn't even required by law, you just do it to show you're performing due diligence.

Does VS, which is US based make models FedEx their physical ID for inspection? Of course not.

Does Homegrown visit the home of everybody that sells them content to inspect ID's? Of course not.

Know the law before you spout off about things you know about.

Better yet, keep your mouth shut if you promote any exgf program that scrapes content off the internet.

Be happy that there are people out there doing it the right way.

ninavain

well said, my good man, well said

grumpy

so a piercing is key i presume?

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Dirty F

How the fuck is he supposed to know who sits behind the computer? You dumb spamming cunt.

ninavain

he knows who he activated the username for, you cocksucking loser.. and why do you give two shits, you're nothing BUT a bitch that posts all the damn time. Get with the program, boy

DWB

This is simply not true. The problem is that 99% of the "professionals" can't actually dumb their shoots down to make the content look authentic. They can't take themselves out of the equation, and this is why they sell crappy GF content.

Forget about what it costs to make. That is irrelevant. It has to be authentic if it's going to sell, and time, and time, and time again, "professionals" are unable to create it. You can't shoot authentic GF content in a studio, in a clean room or bathroom. It doesn't work. It's not real. It doesn't look real. These whores all live in dirty apartments, marks on their mirrors, clothes hanging about, messy dressers, and so on. Unless you go to their house and turn them loose with a camera, most professionals will screw these types of simple shoots up. That's all there is to it. Not for $300, not for $3000, the result is the same, FAKE looking ex-gf content.

You can count the guys who come up with good authentic looking GF content on one hand.

If you want the best GF content, get it from the girls directly. There is no "producer" in realistic GF content, because there is nothing to produce. Therefor, it would never, ever cost $6000 (or even $600) to create, because you, the producer, is not needed. All that is needed is some guy telling a girl to give him photos and he'll pay her. He doesn't even have to know how to turn a camera on. Difficult concept sometimes for a producer to grasp, but that's how it is now.

Paul, I have a lot of respect for you as producer and a vet in the biz, but you're missing the bigger picture here. Guys who can do what you did are few and far between. Guys who can shoot for Met-Art are few and far between. And while it may be more rewarding from a creative point of view (because the financial rewards for such things are over), when it comes time to cashing checks these days, being creative takes a back seat. However, these days a guy doesn't even have to know how to work a camera and he can still make money from girls willing to do all the work for him. That is brilliant on another level. AND IT SELLS!!!! The more amateur it is, the better it sells. The shittier you think it looks, the more money it will probably make. There is no waiting months to collect, they can sell it right away because it's cheap. Think Walmart, not Gucci.

What you did is dead and gone. Those types of dollar amounts, gone. Not even worth talking about, because those days are never coming back. Ever. Neither are my DVD sales that I used to make good money on. Gone. Swallow the pill that you don't have to be great or professional to make money anymore, even if they dollar amount per set is lower than it used to be. But production is cheaper than it used to be too, as is equipment. It's a hard pill to swallow, but the entire industry changed, like it or not, and this is where we are. All of us. Professionals and non-professionals. Now, everyone just does what they can do keep moving forward. I too wish the "good 'ol days" would come back but they never will.

It does you a great disservice to discredit this type of content, be it for quality or price, and really makes you look like you can not adapt or understand what has happened around you. You could cash in on it too and make supplemental income without doing anything at all other than turning girls loose with a camera. IMHO, that is what I would be doing if I was you and retired. Find the girls, let them do all the work, and you sell it at a fair, competitive price. But the trick to the whole thing, is taking "Paul Markham" out of the equation. There can be no you involved in creating the content, or it won't be authentic. That is the key.

I'd rather see you back to making money and having adapted to the crazy industry we're in now than beating dead horses on GFY. You have skills to shoot, there is no denying that, but they are no longer needed to make money. The only skill needed is the skill to sell the content someone else shoots (cheaply) for you. THAT is what you need to get your head around.

nikki99

Hiring NALEM for some XGF content right now

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