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[Porno Dan]

FilmLA at Today's Condom Hearing: 'Webcammers Need Permits'

After the three-minute meeting, audience members make good points and deliver a surprise or two

FilmLA at Today's Condom Hearing: 'Webcammers Need Permits'
Posted May 11th, 2012 03:01 PM by Mark Kernes

LOS ANGELES?Today saw the third meeting of the Working Group on the Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Ordinance, which once again was held in a conference room in the City Administrative Officer's office?and which once again was not posted on the list of the Los Angeles City Meetings & Agendas website.

Of course, considering the content of the meeting?or lack thereof?the failure to post the meeting, though a violation of the city's rules, was of little consequence.


In attendance at the meeting were Miguel Santana, the Chief Administrative Officer (CAO), as well as two staffers from his office; A.P. Diaz, representing the LA City Attorney; Robert Ragland, the Principal Deputy County Counsel for LA County; Mario Perez of the LA County Department of Public Health; Dru Ross of the LA Personnel Office; and three members of FilmLA, the agency which issues filming permits for those wishing to shoot movies in the city, including both FilmLA president Paul Audley and VP of Communications & Public Affairs Todd Lindgren.

In fact, once those referenced above had introduced themselves, the official business was quickly over. The Working Group voted to approve the minutes of the previous meeting; CAO staffer Eva Bitar announced that work still needed to be completed on the Group's final report to the LA City Council, which was supposed to be presented to the Council on May 16; and Santana stated that the Working Group would have yet another meeting sometime next week, on a date to be determined, to consider the final report, and there was discussion that that report might be presented to the Council on May 23?unless the fact that the Council was slated to discuss the city's budget during that week forced yet another rescheduling.

All of that took a total of three minutes, after which Santana opened the floor to comments from the audience.

The first speaker was Immoral Productions owner Dan "Porno Dan" Leal, who informed the Group that one of his independent contractors had been given a citation by one of the eight members of LAPD's Vice Division who arrived at the location, for shooting a live webcam show without a permit. Leal explained that since the citation has been issued because the show, which was not yet under way when the police arrived, was being done for commercial profit or gain, he surmised that every webcam performer in the city would not be required to get a permit from FilmLA, and asked the FilmLA representatives if that was correct?

"It has been consistent that any commercial production, including webcasts, needs a permit," responded FilmLA's Lindgren.

"So any webcam show shot by anyone in the city of Los Angeles will now need a permit, is that correct?" Leal asked.

"Has always needed a permit, right," Lindgren corrected him.

"Ergo, any married couple shooting in their house, who's shooting a webcam show for profit or gain, which by definition would be every single person that shoots webcam, would now need a permit, is that correct?" Leal pressed.

"Under the city ordinance, if it's for commercial purpose, it needs a permit," Lindgren stated.

"And therefore, they would need condoms under the new regulation, is that correct, that logic?" Leal continued.

"We're in the process of developing that specific?and I can't answer that question," Lindgren responded.

At that point, Santana cut Leal off, stating that the comment period wasn't supposed to include a question-and-answer dialog with Group members, leaving Leal to finish by stating, "We will be happy to comply with whatever the city decides to do."

Michael Fattorosi, who thought he'd donated his three minutes to Leal, was allowed to speak as well, and directed the Group's attention to the comments he's made at the previous meeting.

"You have an overwhelming difficult task in front of you," Fattorosi told the Group. "There is a large amount of commercial shooting that is going on, that is of a hardcore nature, that would be almost impossible to regulate. The law is broadly written [and] anyone involved in the production of an adult film could be cited under this law, whether that includes makeup artists or a hired performer; you have issues as far as being able to identify who the producers are; you have overseas producers that are now looking to Los Angeles as a place to hire directors and performers. There is an insurmountable task in front of LAPD to identify the parties that may not even be the actual producers.

"This is not 1995 anymore in the adult industry," he continued. "It is a worldwide business. This is a business that has foreign interests in Los Angeles, it has local interests in Los Angeles, and again I ask that when this council and this commission puts forth recommendations to the City Council as to implementing this particular law, that they see the broader issues of being able to regulate and being able to implement this, and that you consider the First Amendment issues that were raised last time... We're in tough economic times, and there may be married couples, there may be single women who do this in order to make extra money, or to be able to pay their rent, and if you're expecting them to pay $750 or more per month to maintain a filming permit, to be able to earn that, they won't, and they probably can't afford to."

[AliceInBondageLand]

This morass gets messier and messier.

[mchacal]

This is a joke. Fuck condoms and fuck LA.

P.D. We can produce condom free porn for the whole planet here in Canada

[NaughtyRob]

Originally Posted by mchacal

This is a joke. Fuck condoms and fuck LA.

[DWB]

Good luck with all that.

Boggles the mind that such things are still an issue in the United States in 2012, especially in California.

[CDSmith]

"This is not 1995"

He's right about that.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

"You have an overwhelming difficult task in front of you," Fattorosi told the Group. "There is a large amount of commercial shooting that is going on, that is of a hardcore nature, that would be almost impossible to regulate. The law is broadly written [and] anyone involved in the production of an adult film could be cited under this law, whether that includes makeup artists or a hired performer; you have issues as far as being able to identify who the producers are; you have overseas producers that are now looking to Los Angeles as a place to hire directors and performers. There is an insurmountable task in front of LAPD to identify the parties that may not even be the actual producers.

"This is not 1995 anymore in the adult industry," he continued. "It is a worldwide business. This is a business that has foreign interests in Los Angeles, it has local interests in Los Angeles, and again I ask that when this council and this commission puts forth recommendations to the City Council as to implementing this particular law, that they see the broader issues of being able to regulate and being able to implement this, and that you consider the First Amendment issues that were raised last time... We're in tough economic times, and there may be married couples, there may be single women who do this in order to make extra money, or to be able to pay their rent, and if you're expecting them to pay $750 or more per month to maintain a filming permit, to be able to earn that, they won't, and they probably can't afford to."

while I agree with Fattorosi it's ridiculous to think politicians in any city in the US or Canada or anywhere else in the world for that matter will have a sympathetic ear for anybody in the sex industry. Maybe San Francisco would be the exception.

[gabe100]

Originally Posted by Mutt

while I agree with Fattorosi it's ridiculous to think politicians in any city in the US or Canada or anywhere else in the world for that matter will have a sympathetic ear for anybody in the sex industry. Maybe San Francisco would be the exception.

Yep, super flat with no chance of persuading anyone, no offense to Fatorisi in any way. I saw nothing compelling in what was said.

Also, Porn Dan is a big target with a company called Immoral - No offense to Dan in any way but he paints a big target and now will turn the whole thing into a ( low rated, understandably ) tv episode or whatever to do what for the industry?? Great, let's laugh at the city fucking council and mock them on TV with our citations from the day before. Now let's blow it all up so hot moms on mfc get in the mix and create more controversy.

Then we'll get old blowhard South himself into the mix and really stir things up.

I don't know either party. Each attempted to take a stand i guess. Taking a super zoomed out look and going straight with simple CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES might have worked. instead all the porn industry can dredge up is an attorney talking about the emotional impact - something no one cares about and deferring to a guy with a company name that screams fuck you we won't conform and we'll create more controversy about it by going on TV and laughing about all the citations we have.

All the hot 20-something moms on MFC in LA have nothing to worry about.

"Shooters" under the radar are fine. Flaunting anything died long time ago.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by gabe100

Yep, super flat with no chance of persuading anyone, no offense to Fatorisi in any way. I saw nothing compelling in what was said.

Also, Porn Dan is a big target with a company called Immoral - No offense to Dan in any way but he paints a big target and now will turn the whole thing into a ( low rated, understandably ) tv episode or whatever to do what for the industry?? Great, let's laugh at the city fucking council and mock them on TV with our citations from the day before. Now let's blow it all up so hot moms on mfc get in the mix and create more controversy.

Then we'll get old blowhard South himself into the mix and really stir things up.

I don't know either party. Each attempted to take a stand i guess. Taking a super zoomed out look and going straight with simple CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES might have worked. instead all the porn industry can dredge up is an attorney talking about the emotional impact - something no one cares about and deferring to a guy with a company name that screams fuck you we won't conform and we'll create more controversy about it by going on TV and laughing about all the citations we have.

All the hot 20-something moms on MFC in LA have nothing to worry about.

"Shooters" under the radar are fine. Flaunting anything died long time ago.

well said

[2MuchMark]

That's so strange - you wouldn't expect this kind of thing to come from California.

[DBS.US]

Knock, knock,
Who is it?
I'm Jack Anderson from the L.A.C.&W.P.I
What the fuck is the L.A.C.W.P.I?
Los Angeles Condom & Webcam Permit Inspector

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by **********

That's so strange - you wouldn't expect this kind of thing to come from California.

Most fucked up laws and regulations start in California then spread to the rest of the states.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by **********

That's so strange - you wouldn't expect this kind of thing to come from California.

Its the EXACT kind of thing that comes from a bunch of inept retards trying to appease the lowest common denominator of society with social programs it can't afford, creating the nations largest bankrupt state. They need money, they'll never stop creating ways to try to get more money... because after all, the alternative - cutting back on spending and subsidizing illegal immigration is unacceptable in that state.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The City of Los Angeles has spoken ...

[DBS.US]

[baryl]

Come to Vegas, we'll take your money.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

FilmLA at Today's Condom Hearing: 'Webcammers Need Permits'

After the three-minute meeting, audience members make good points and deliver a surprise or two

FilmLA at Today's Condom Hearing: 'Webcammers Need Permits'
Posted May 11th, 2012 03:01 PM by Mark Kernes

LOS ANGELES?Today saw the third meeting of the Working Group on the Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Ordinance, which once again was held in a conference room in the City Administrative Officer's office?and which once again was not posted on the list of the Los Angeles City Meetings & Agendas website.

Of course, considering the content of the meeting?or lack thereof?the failure to post the meeting, though a violation of the city's rules, was of little consequence.


In attendance at the meeting were Miguel Santana, the Chief Administrative Officer (CAO), as well as two staffers from his office; A.P. Diaz, representing the LA City Attorney; Robert Ragland, the Principal Deputy County Counsel for LA County; Mario Perez of the LA County Department of Public Health; Dru Ross of the LA Personnel Office; and three members of FilmLA, the agency which issues filming permits for those wishing to shoot movies in the city, including both FilmLA president Paul Audley and VP of Communications & Public Affairs Todd Lindgren.

In fact, once those referenced above had introduced themselves, the official business was quickly over. The Working Group voted to approve the minutes of the previous meeting; CAO staffer Eva Bitar announced that work still needed to be completed on the Group's final report to the LA City Council, which was supposed to be presented to the Council on May 16; and Santana stated that the Working Group would have yet another meeting sometime next week, on a date to be determined, to consider the final report, and there was discussion that that report might be presented to the Council on May 23?unless the fact that the Council was slated to discuss the city's budget during that week forced yet another rescheduling.

All of that took a total of three minutes, after which Santana opened the floor to comments from the audience.

The first speaker was Immoral Productions owner Dan "Porno Dan" Leal, who informed the Group that one of his independent contractors had been given a citation by one of the eight members of LAPD's Vice Division who arrived at the location, for shooting a live webcam show without a permit. Leal explained that since the citation has been issued because the show, which was not yet under way when the police arrived, was being done for commercial profit or gain, he surmised that every webcam performer in the city would not be required to get a permit from FilmLA, and asked the FilmLA representatives if that was correct?

"It has been consistent that any commercial production, including webcasts, needs a permit," responded FilmLA's Lindgren.

"So any webcam show shot by anyone in the city of Los Angeles will now need a permit, is that correct?" Leal asked.

"Has always needed a permit, right," Lindgren corrected him.

"Ergo, any married couple shooting in their house, who's shooting a webcam show for profit or gain, which by definition would be every single person that shoots webcam, would now need a permit, is that correct?" Leal pressed.

"Under the city ordinance, if it's for commercial purpose, it needs a permit," Lindgren stated.

"And therefore, they would need condoms under the new regulation, is that correct, that logic?" Leal continued.

"We're in the process of developing that specific?and I can't answer that question," Lindgren responded.

At that point, Santana cut Leal off, stating that the comment period wasn't supposed to include a question-and-answer dialog with Group members, leaving Leal to finish by stating, "We will be happy to comply with whatever the city decides to do."

Michael Fattorosi, who thought he'd donated his three minutes to Leal, was allowed to speak as well, and directed the Group's attention to the comments he's made at the previous meeting.

"You have an overwhelming difficult task in front of you," Fattorosi told the Group. "There is a large amount of commercial shooting that is going on, that is of a hardcore nature, that would be almost impossible to regulate. The law is broadly written [and] anyone involved in the production of an adult film could be cited under this law, whether that includes makeup artists or a hired performer; you have issues as far as being able to identify who the producers are; you have overseas producers that are now looking to Los Angeles as a place to hire directors and performers. There is an insurmountable task in front of LAPD to identify the parties that may not even be the actual producers.

"This is not 1995 anymore in the adult industry," he continued. "It is a worldwide business. This is a business that has foreign interests in Los Angeles, it has local interests in Los Angeles, and again I ask that when this council and this commission puts forth recommendations to the City Council as to implementing this particular law, that they see the broader issues of being able to regulate and being able to implement this, and that you consider the First Amendment issues that were raised last time... We're in tough economic times, and there may be married couples, there may be single women who do this in order to make extra money, or to be able to pay their rent, and if you're expecting them to pay $750 or more per month to maintain a filming permit, to be able to earn that, they won't, and they probably can't afford to."

Wow, my house has been used for a location a few 100 times, never once did anyone pull a permit.

We'll see how that goes.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Wow, my house has been used for a location a few 100 times, never once did anyone pull a permit.

We'll see how that goes.

Just say: I'm only making a home movie with some friends

[baddog]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Wow, my house has been used for a location a few 100 times, never once did anyone pull a permit.

We'll see how that goes.

delete, delete, delete

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by gabe100

Yep, super flat with no chance of persuading anyone, no offense to Fatorisi in any way. I saw nothing compelling in what was said.

Also, Porn Dan is a big target with a company called Immoral - No offense to Dan in any way but he paints a big target and now will turn the whole thing into a ( low rated, understandably ) tv episode or whatever to do what for the industry?? Great, let's laugh at the city fucking council and mock them on TV with our citations from the day before. Now let's blow it all up so hot moms on mfc get in the mix and create more controversy.

Then we'll get old blowhard South himself into the mix and really stir things up.

I don't know either party. Each attempted to take a stand i guess. Taking a super zoomed out look and going straight with simple CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES might have worked. instead all the porn industry can dredge up is an attorney talking about the emotional impact - something no one cares about and deferring to a guy with a company name that screams fuck you we won't conform and we'll create more controversy about it by going on TV and laughing about all the citations we have.

All the hot 20-something moms on MFC in LA have nothing to worry about.

"Shooters" under the radar are fine. Flaunting anything died long time ago.

No offense taken by your comments but my TV show is on HBO in Canada and got amazing ratings in season 1.

Mocking the City Council this isn't my style, rather I plan to show everyone the seriousness of this issue as this law will be affecting a lot of people including all the "single" Moms on MFC.

Anyone who posts on this board is not under the radar and can expect to deal with this issue in the very near future.

[Dirty D]

Fight for your rights!

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Fear Monger Dan

Anyone who posts on this board is not under the radar and can expect to deal with this issue in the very near future.

Please stop with the fear mongering. It's ridiculous.

You mean anyone shooting in Los Angeles, California under the radar can expect to deal with this in the near future. And even that is quite a stretch.

No one outside of California (or outside of LA) is yet being bothered, and anyone outside the USA is beyond OSHA's / US Gov jurisdiction. At worst they could try to push this across all the states, but at best it would only be enforced in a couple of small, ass backwards towns.

And honestly, how is anyone going to know where a single mom is running her webcam from?

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

FilmLA at Today's Condom Hearing: 'Webcammers Need Permits'

After the three-minute meeting, audience members make good points and deliver a surprise or two

FilmLA at Today's Condom Hearing: 'Webcammers Need Permits'
Posted May 11th, 2012 03:01 PM by Mark Kernes

LOS ANGELES?Today saw the third meeting of the Working Group on the Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Ordinance, which once again was held in a conference room in the City Administrative Officer's office?and which once again was not posted on the list of the Los Angeles City Meetings & Agendas website.

Of course, considering the content of the meeting?or lack thereof?the failure to post the meeting, though a violation of the city's rules, was of little consequence.


In attendance at the meeting were Miguel Santana, the Chief Administrative Officer (CAO), as well as two staffers from his office; A.P. Diaz, representing the LA City Attorney; Robert Ragland, the Principal Deputy County Counsel for LA County; Mario Perez of the LA County Department of Public Health; Dru Ross of the LA Personnel Office; and three members of FilmLA, the agency which issues filming permits for those wishing to shoot movies in the city, including both FilmLA president Paul Audley and VP of Communications & Public Affairs Todd Lindgren.

In fact, once those referenced above had introduced themselves, the official business was quickly over. The Working Group voted to approve the minutes of the previous meeting; CAO staffer Eva Bitar announced that work still needed to be completed on the Group's final report to the LA City Council, which was supposed to be presented to the Council on May 16; and Santana stated that the Working Group would have yet another meeting sometime next week, on a date to be determined, to consider the final report, and there was discussion that that report might be presented to the Council on May 23?unless the fact that the Council was slated to discuss the city's budget during that week forced yet another rescheduling.

All of that took a total of three minutes, after which Santana opened the floor to comments from the audience.

The first speaker was Immoral Productions owner Dan "Porno Dan" Leal, who informed the Group that one of his independent contractors had been given a citation by one of the eight members of LAPD's Vice Division who arrived at the location, for shooting a live webcam show without a permit. Leal explained that since the citation has been issued because the show, which was not yet under way when the police arrived, was being done for commercial profit or gain, he surmised that every webcam performer in the city would not be required to get a permit from FilmLA, and asked the FilmLA representatives if that was correct?

"It has been consistent that any commercial production, including webcasts, needs a permit," responded FilmLA's Lindgren.

"So any webcam show shot by anyone in the city of Los Angeles will now need a permit, is that correct?" Leal asked.

"Has always needed a permit, right," Lindgren corrected him.

"Ergo, any married couple shooting in their house, who's shooting a webcam show for profit or gain, which by definition would be every single person that shoots webcam, would now need a permit, is that correct?" Leal pressed.

"Under the city ordinance, if it's for commercial purpose, it needs a permit," Lindgren stated.

"And therefore, they would need condoms under the new regulation, is that correct, that logic?" Leal continued.

"We're in the process of developing that specific?and I can't answer that question," Lindgren responded.

At that point, Santana cut Leal off, stating that the comment period wasn't supposed to include a question-and-answer dialog with Group members, leaving Leal to finish by stating, "We will be happy to comply with whatever the city decides to do."

Michael Fattorosi, who thought he'd donated his three minutes to Leal, was allowed to speak as well, and directed the Group's attention to the comments he's made at the previous meeting.

"You have an overwhelming difficult task in front of you," Fattorosi told the Group. "There is a large amount of commercial shooting that is going on, that is of a hardcore nature, that would be almost impossible to regulate. The law is broadly written [and] anyone involved in the production of an adult film could be cited under this law, whether that includes makeup artists or a hired performer; you have issues as far as being able to identify who the producers are; you have overseas producers that are now looking to Los Angeles as a place to hire directors and performers. There is an insurmountable task in front of LAPD to identify the parties that may not even be the actual producers.

"This is not 1995 anymore in the adult industry," he continued. "It is a worldwide business. This is a business that has foreign interests in Los Angeles, it has local interests in Los Angeles, and again I ask that when this council and this commission puts forth recommendations to the City Council as to implementing this particular law, that they see the broader issues of being able to regulate and being able to implement this, and that you consider the First Amendment issues that were raised last time... We're in tough economic times, and there may be married couples, there may be single women who do this in order to make extra money, or to be able to pay their rent, and if you're expecting them to pay $750 or more per month to maintain a filming permit, to be able to earn that, they won't, and they probably can't afford to."

Time to move. simple
ds

[Catalyst]

come to vegas.. now you see why some many company are hiring vegas photographers like AaronM and myself.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by DWB

Please stop with the fear mongering. It's ridiculous.

You mean anyone shooting in Los Angeles, California under the radar can expect to deal with this in the near future. And even that is quite a stretch.

No one outside of California (or outside of LA) is yet being bothered, and anyone outside the USA is beyond OSHA's / US Gov jurisdiction. At worst they could try to push this across all the states, but at best it would only be enforced in a couple of small, ass backwards towns.

And honestly, how is anyone going to know where a single mom is running her webcam from?

did you know they can track your ip?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by gabe100

.



Then we'll get old blowhard South himself into the mix and really stir things up.

don't consider jim south a blowhard by any means

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by **********

That's so strange - you wouldn't expect this kind of thing to come from California.

no kidding, alabama maybe....

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Its the EXACT kind of thing that comes from a bunch of inept retards trying to appease the lowest common denominator of society with social programs it can't afford, creating the nations largest bankrupt state. They need money, they'll never stop creating ways to try to get more money... because after all, the alternative - cutting back on spending and subsidizing illegal immigration is unacceptable in that state.

more like creating ways to drive money out of the area

[The Ghost]

As a good friend of mine says ...

"I don't give two dipshits about it"

DS said it right .. time to move

[DWB]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Time to move. simple
ds

There is no use fighting this. Take the path of least resistance and move.

What's that old saying... the nail that sticks up gets bent down.

Originally Posted by xxxupdate

did you know they can track your ip?

Ever hear of TOR or a well encrypted VPN?

You are assuming they will be continually searching for the IPs of every cam girl in the country to see where they are located. That simply is not going to happen. They don't even do that shit in countries where working cam is totally illegal.

Either you guys listen too much to the fear mongering attorneys in the industry or you are not capable of thinking outside the box. Not sure which it is, but the answer to your problem (if you actually think it's a problem) is so obvious it's laughable. Move or stay under the radar.

Like Duke said, it's time to move. Why fight a system that will smash your ass? Ask Larry Flynt how all of that worked out for him.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by DWB

There is no use fighting this. Take the path of least resistance and move.

What's that old saying... the nail that sticks up gets bent down.



Ever hear of TOR or a well encrypted VPN?

You are assuming they will be continually searching for the IPs of every cam girl in the country to see where they are located. That simply is not going to happen. They don't even do that shit in countries where working cam is totally illegal.

Either you guys listen too much to the fear mongering attorneys in the industry or you are not capable of thinking outside the box. Not sure which it is, but the answer to your problem (if you actually think it's a problem) is so obvious it's laughable. Move or stay under the radar.

Like Duke said, it's time to move. Why fight a system that will smash your ass? Ask Larry Flynt how all of that worked out for him.

It was a joke

[raymor]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Most fucked up laws and regulations start in California then spread to the rest of the states.

The weird thing is, you'd think other states would see the results. California is the most "progressive" state, passing all these new laws, and they're bleeding $18 billion this year alone. California has been falling apart for twenty years, yet other states continue to copy the things California tried and found out does not work. I wonder why other states copy fail?

On the other hand, also in the news this week three of the top five cities to get hired are in Texas. Texas unemployment is 7% while California is 11%. Wouldn't it make more sense for other states to copy what Texas has been doing?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by xxxupdate

It was a joke

No, it wasn't a joke and I'm back tracing your IP right now. Ya done goofed.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by DWB

No, it wasn't a joke and I'm back tracing your IP right now. Ya done goofed.

I'll put the kettle on

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Wow, my house has been used for a location a few 100 times, never once did anyone pull a permit.

We'll see how that goes.

I was told they have a list of 'shoot houses' and studios they plan on going by to make sure they have their permits

It doesn't matter if you are shooting at the time when they go by, we weren't shooting when we got the citation.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Content Shooter

more like creating ways to drive money out of the area

But that's not the thinking of a liberal mind. The thinking is that "we need to help everyone, everywhere, all the time" - how to pay for it all is secondary. Is it actually helping or hurting, isn't really a consideration because in the end, the solution will be to throw more money at it - which of course, has to be taken from someone. Oh well, at least it provides a nice boost for Nevada as they incorporate elsewhere and Oregon and Washington as people sell out and flee as they have been doing for a decade.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by **********

That's so strange - you wouldn't expect this kind of thing to come from California.

Too true

[RyuLion]

I saw it coming..that's why I moved from CA 4 yrs ago..

[epitome]

Originally Posted by raymor

On the other hand, also in the news this week three of the top five cities to get hired are in Texas. Texas unemployment is 7% while California is 11%. Wouldn't it make more sense for other states to copy what Texas has been doing?

I hope we don't copy Texas.

Let's copy any of the other states with better unemployment numbers:

Delaware 6.9% (shit hole)
Hawaii 6.4% (fun! let's do this!)
Iowa 5.2% (only known for voting?)
Kansas 6.2% (Toto!)
Maryland 6.6% (snitches get stitches)
Massachusetts 6.5% (Boston is gorgeous!)
Montana 6.2% (sounds boring)
New Hampshire 5.2% (sounds boring)
North Dakota 3.0% (too cold)
Oklahoma 5.4% (eh)
South Dakota 4.3% (does anyone live here?)
Utah 5.8% (please, no)
Vermont 4.8% (gay marriage and apples!)
Virginia 5.6% (don't leave NoVa or Richmond)
West Virginia 6.9% (black lung)
Wisconsin 6.8% (mmm, cheese!)
Wyoming 5.3% (fly fishing, anyone?)

[L-Pink]

epitome ..... Hilarious brief descriptions

.

[MrMaxwell]

Don't copy kansas for chrissakes

[DWB]

Originally Posted by xxxupdate

I'll put the kettle on

make it black.

Originally Posted by RyuLion

I saw it coming..that's why I moved from CA 4 yrs ago..

it's best to live in a open ass biting society.

[VenusBlogger]

What do you mean with "Webcammers Need Permits" ????

That a model performing in cam needs a permit?

or that a sponsor like mtree needs permits?

I dont get it...

BTW, I have never done a dimme with cams, they dont fucking convert, and I don't know anyone doing a cent with it, because they have 0:10,000 ratios.

So, I always wonder why some people talk like "webcams is the only way to make money"... or posting a thread like this, like it would interest anyone, when nobody does a buck with it, UNLESS you own one of the 1000 biggest porn sites or are a performer or sponsor.

Just sayin...

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

What do you mean with "Webcammers Need Permits" ????

That a model performing in cam needs a permit?

or that a sponsor like mtree needs permits?

I dont get it...

BTW, I have never done a dimme with cams, they dont fucking convert, and I don't know anyone doing a cent with it, because they have 0:10,000 ratios.

So, I always wonder why some people talk like "webcams is the only way to make money"... or posting a thread like this, like it would interest anyone, when nobody does a buck with it, UNLESS you own one of the 1000 biggest porn sites or are a performer or sponsor.

Just sayin...

You say a lot.

You have yet to say a single intelligent thing.

In fact, you usually say the opposite of intelligent things.

Every time you post, I start to read thinking "well, at least it can't be as stupid as everything i've read so far", then I read it and realize each time that you've outdone yourself and said something more stupid than the last.

Don't know how you do it, but you do have a gift.

If dumb was a measure of success, you'd be a billionaire.

[u-Bob]

First they harass children, demanding they buy a permit to operate a lemonade stand. Now it's couples having sex in their own bed rooms. Who will be next? :/

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You say a lot.

You have yet to say a single intelligent thing.

In fact, you usually say the opposite of intelligent things.

Every time you post, I start to read thinking "well, at least it can't be as stupid as everything i've read so far", then I read it and realize each time that you've outdone yourself and said something more stupid than the last.

Don't know how you do it, but you do have a gift.

If dumb was a measure of success, you'd be a billionaire.

Every time I read one of your posts, I can see a clueless idiot LURKER who's looking for free porn in a webmaster forum.

Looking at your "Last edited by TheSquealer; Today at 04:10 AM." when your post was posted at 4:04, I can see you edited and re-edited it, because you are an insecure LOSER and didn't know exactly what yo say.

E-Whoring is obviosly making you GAY. That's the danger of the DIRTY FULL OF SHIT method you use.

PERIOD.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Every time I read one of your posts, I can see a clueless idiot LURKER who's looking for free porn in a webmaster forum.

Looking at your "Last edited by TheSquealer; Today at 04:10 AM." when your post was posted at 4:04, I can see you edited and re-edited it, because you are an insecure LOSER and didn't know exactly what yo say.

E-Whoring is obviosly making you GAY. That's the danger of the DIRTY FULL OF SHIT method you use.

PERIOD.

... or, i corrected a spelling error.

Anyway, what makes you so angry? What happened? Tell us all where this pain is coming from. Lets work through this together and get you past this so you can finally begin living the happy and fulfilling life you deserve.

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by mchacal

This is a joke. Fuck condoms and fuck LA.

Agreed...

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by mchacal

this is a joke. Fuck condoms and fuck la.

P.d. We can produce condom free porn for the whole planet here in canada

fucking eh

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

BTW, I have never done a dimme with cams, they dont fucking convert, and I don't know anyone doing a cent with it, because they have 0:10,000 ratios.

So, I always wonder why some people talk like "webcams is the only way to make money"... or posting a thread like this, like it would interest anyone, when nobody does a buck with it, UNLESS you own one of the 1000 biggest porn sites or are a performer or sponsor.

Just sayin...

Jesus dude you annoy the fuck out of me. WE GET IT. You SUCK FAT HAIRY COCK at promoting cams.