The Latest Lie: Obama Cut Medicare - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

DudeRick · 08-17-2012, 12:33 PM

Enjoy your Kool-Aid. ;)

Tom_PM · 08-17-2012, 12:41 PM

Gotta understand, if it's EVER been spoken of on the Huffington Post or MSNBC, it equals the socialist left wing media propoganda machine. It's the new black.

My friend told me today that she read in a news report that a company discovered that, and I'm quoting here, "most" of Romneys Twitter followers were, "fake". I told her but surely you must be reading the left wing media because it contained that story. We had a nice laugh.

That's how it goes these days. Why be intellectually honest or curious when you can just kill every messenger? Takes too much effort to have actual arguments and counter arguments.

DTK · 08-17-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick

Enjoy your Kool-Aid. ;)

Pot. Kettle.

Personally, i'm neither democrat nor republican, i just like facts. And this whole 'obama stole $700bil from medicare' is not factual.

DudeRick · 08-17-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

I know facts are boring.

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Originally Posted by Originally Posted by DTK

if you can't refute the facts, kill the messenger. lame.

How does this one suit you then?...

Deroy Murdock: Romney's right, Obama cut Medicare
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/me...bama-cuts.html

DudeRick · 08-17-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick

How does this one suit you then?...

Deroy Murdock: Romney's right, Obama cut Medicare
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/me...bama-cuts.html

Or this one...
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/04/hh...macare-budget/

DudeRick · 08-17-2012, 03:16 PM

Or this one...

Obamacare Robs Medicare of $716 Billion to Fund Itself

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/01/...o-fund-itself/

directfiesta · 08-17-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick

Or this one...

Obamacare Robs Medicare of $716 Billion to Fund Itself

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/01/...o-fund-itself/

lol ......

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WARREN, Ohio (AP) ? Republican vice presidential contender Paul Ryan says he never would have included a $700 billion Medicare cut in his budget if President Barack Obama hadn't done it first.

Mitt Romney and his running mate Ryan have been criticizing Obama in recent days for taking Medicare funds to help pay for his health care overhaul. But the Republican candidates haven't mentioned that Ryan's own budget proposal included the same cut.

A reporter pressed Ryan on the issue during an impromptu stop at a local hot dog restaurant on Thursday.

The Wisconsin congressman says that he "never would have done that in the first place." He blamed Obama for making the original proposal.

He also says he voted to repeal the president's health care law, which would repeal the Medicare cut.

DTK · 08-17-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick

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Originally Posted by tony286
I know facts are boring.

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Originally Posted by DTK
if you can't refute the facts, kill the messenger. lame.

How does this one suit you then?...

Deroy Murdock: Romney's right, Obama cut Medicare
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/me...bama-cuts.html

Fox has taught you well how to spin and ingore things that don't fit what you want to hear. My comment was based on your dismissing the source because politifact is run/associated with the tampa bay journal.

I then pointed out that politifact is an independent, pulitzer prize winning organization that fact-checks the things that politicians (of all stripes) and others say. To which you brilliantly, and ever-so insightfully responded "Enjoy your Kool-Aid. ;)"

As i said, i'm neither dem or rep. I just like facts.

You clearly just want hear what you want to hear. Have fun with that.

GrantMercury · 08-17-2012, 08:49 PM

Mitt is a little bitch.

He sends his wife out to announce that there will be no further tax returns released (crooks). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1778376.html

And he has his son call the losing VP hopefuls http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/48622065

What kind of man does that?

Matt 26z · 08-18-2012, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We really do need strict term limits. Congress should be composed of real people, not lifelong politicians.

IMO the solution to our joke of a congress is to raise their salary from $175,000 to well over $1million. The positions then suddenly become interesting to much more talented people who currently make too much in the private sector to consider working in politics.

GrantMercury · 08-18-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick

Or this one...

Obamacare Robs Medicare of $716 Billion to Fund Itself

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/01/...o-fund-itself/

This is BULLSHIT.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-medicare-cut/

BTW - The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank - not the best place to get unbiased information.

DTK · 08-18-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

This is BULLSHIT.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-medicare-cut/

BTW - The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank - not the best place to get unbiased information.

A Koch Brothers funded "think tank" at that.

GrantMercury · 08-20-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK

A Koch Brothers funded "think tank" at that.

Fuck the Koch brothers with a rusty screwdriver.

Was just at a Romney/Ryan protest. Silly old man with a video camera tried to get me to say something dumb so he could post it online and laugh with his friends.

I don't think he'll be posting anything I had to say.

He said he lives on $26k / year. I asked him how he felt about Mitt having a lower tax rate than he does. He said that wasn't true. I asked him "how could you know"? Mitt is hiding the truth from us. He said "do you know there is a website that has all of Mitt's tax returns there for you to read". Unfortunately, he couldn't remember the name of it. Damn. Too bad.

He got annoyed that I wouldn't let the issue go, and wanted to know what other issues I have with Mittens. I said I had a big problem with the fact that Willard supported the Vietnam war AND ACTIVELY supported the draft - and then ran off to spread the word of Mormon through France. The jungles of Vietnam for the rest of the guys - Paris lights for Mitt. So, like a natural, GOP dumbass, he wanted to know how I felt about Clinton's military history. I gently reminded him that CLINTON ISN'T RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT this year.

Then he brought up gas prices. I told him even Fox News said the president has no control over gas prices. He guffawed and said "Really? Fox News said that?" And I said, yes - they said it when GWB was president. It's all over Youtube. They don't say that much anymore. Strange that.

Republicans are such dumb shits. Here's an old dude without a pot to piss in - and he thinks Romney, the millionaire, chickenhawk, dog-abusing, flip-flop king, is better for him and the country.

Robbie · 08-20-2012, 09:47 AM

GrantMercury...guys like Romney earn money on Capital Gains.

Do you suggest raising taxes on capital gains? Or do you just like posting vitriolic words?

What is your suggestion? And would raising taxes on capital gains do anything to help our country get out of debt? Why do you want anybody to pay more taxes?
To build roads? Nope, that's the gasoline tax. To help schools? Nope, that's the property tax. To help seniors? Nope, that the social security and medicare taxes.

To allow congressmen to send money back to their cronies at home with pork barrel spending? Yep. To fund more wars? Yep.

How about this...even after we lost our credit rating, the govt. hasn't slowed down spending at all. In fact they INCREASED spending. (though they did decrease the amount of the increase...only in Washington D.C. would that be considered a "cut")

How about politicians get serious about STOPPING THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING. Then we'll worry about taxes.

DTK · 08-20-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Then he brought up gas prices. I told him even Fox News said the president has no control over gas prices. He guffawed and said "Really? Fox News said that?" And I said, yes - they said it when GWB was president. It's all over Youtube. They don't say that much anymore. Strange that.

I've seen the clip of Bill O'Reilly saying exactly this. "You can never blame a president for high gas prices!" And he was right.

Of course, when gas prices went up earlier this year, Faux and the radio screamers started blaming the current president for it.

GrantMercury · 08-20-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

GrantMercury...guys like Romney earn money on Capital Gains.

Do you suggest raising taxes on capital gains?.

Yup. Raise taxes on capital gains. Lower the payroll tax.

Working people should NOT pay a higher tax rate on money earned with their sweat, than the rich do on money made by money while they lounge by the fucking pool!

Cut WASTEFUL spending (pentagon is a great place to start). Close tax loopholes. Raise taxes on Mitt and his friends who have been getting away with financial murder for years (why do you think Mitt won't let us see his returns)? Cancel the next needless war.

Then see what kind of fiscal shape the nation is in.

GrantMercury · 08-20-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK

I've seen the clip of Bill O'Reilly saying exactly this. "You can never blame a president for high gas prices!" And he was right.

Of course, when gas prices went up earlier this year, Faux and the radio screamers started blaming the current president for it.

Yup. Here you go: http://climatecrocks.com/2012/03/06/...ol-oil-prices/

GrantMercury · 08-21-2012, 09:38 AM

Lies are all Mitt has. Now he's whining like a fucking bitch about Obama's "hate", when all it is is fair criticism.

Willard is a lightweight.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-21-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Yup. Raise taxes on capital gains. Lower the payroll tax.

Working people should NOT pay a higher tax rate on money earned with their sweat, than the rich do on money made by money while they lounge by the fucking pool!

Cut WASTEFUL spending (pentagon is a great place to start). Close tax loopholes. Raise taxes on Mitt and his friends who have been getting away with financial murder for years (why do you think Mitt won't let us see his returns)? Cancel the next needless war.

Then see what kind of fiscal shape the nation is in.

All the money would leave the country. Like one of democrats biggest supporters and one of his biggest fundraisers. Who renounced her citizenship to save 10s of millions of dollars.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-10/p...rs-tax-evasion

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Wealthy socialite and Grammy-nominated songwriter Denise Rich has renounced her U.S. citizenship and resides in London, her spokeswoman Judy Smith said Tuesday.

Rich's maiden name, Eisenberg, appeared on April 30 in the Federal Registrar's Quarterly Publication of Individuals Who Have Chosen To Expatriate, though she left in November 2011.

By handing in her American passport, tax lawyers say she is able to legally avoid paying significant taxes on her estate.

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As of 2001, Denise Rich had made more than $1.3 million in political contributions to the Democratic Party since 1993, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library in Arkansas.

This quote comes to mind:
"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you've earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money" Thomas Sowell

Robbie · 08-21-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Yup. Raise taxes on capital gains. Lower the payroll tax.

Working people should NOT pay a higher tax rate on money earned with their sweat, than the rich do on money made by money while they lounge by the fucking pool!

Aren't you forgetting about the millions of Americans (including seniors with retirement plans) who make money off of investments?

By the way...I was watching CNN and they had one of Romney's guys explain what he's looking to do.

He wants to lower capital gains taxes for anyone making LESS than $200,000.00
In other words, the working men and women and the retirees living off of 401K plans.
His own tax rate would stay the same.

Also, just wanted to point out: yes, some "rich" people lounge by the pool (the kardashians for instance).
But most people who are "rich" are driven and ambitious work-a-holic types who put in more hours in a week than any "working" men and women who are just employees and work 40 hours a week and do no more than they have to in order to get that paycheck.

When you own your own business there is literally NO end of the day (no 9 to 5 bullshit) and there are NO vacations or holidays.

If you're like me...then you are driven by ambition. I work on my "vacations", I work on holidays. I work late nights and early mornings. I work on weekends.

Nobody gets rich just laying by the pool. (except those goddam kardashians lol)

Tom_PM · 08-21-2012, 10:59 AM

The kardashians would argue until death that they've worked hard to earn every single penny though and who could actually deny that that is true?

The whole notion and unspoken premise of class warfare is such a load of shit. Don't believe it for a moment. I'll agree right now that everyone in america should pay 25% on their income no matter where it comes from starting........... now.

DTK · 08-21-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Lies are all Mitt has. Now he's whining like a fucking bitch about Obama's "hate", when all it is is fair criticism.

Willard is a lightweight.

I'm neither dem nor rep, but this is hilarious. Romney and his proxies (crossroads gps - karl rove and americans for prosperity - the koch brothers) overall have run more negative ads than Team Obama. It's pretty much gone all negative now on both sides as Team O have ramped up the attacks. Gotta hand it to the repubs... they can dish it out, but they sure can't take it.

I think the repubs weren't ready for the dems to eschew their normal pussy routine and start landing body blows. Like B Maher said the other night, "some say Obama's too white, but he fights black."

Robbie · 08-21-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Don't believe it for a moment. I'll agree right now that everyone in america should pay 25% on their income no matter where it comes from starting........... now.

I have to say...in this current economy, if I had to pay 25% of my income in federal taxes I would be completely bankrupt.

If it's going to be a no-deductions flat tax system (which I think it should be), it needs to be a lower rate than that.

I can't even imagine how people have any money left over after taxes now anyway. Especially in states with high state income tax.

Living here in Nevada eliminated that for me. But they more than make up for it with high sales tax on everything. Plus the national gasoline tax. Plus my property tax. Plus the super high cost each year of registering your vehicles (which is really just a tax). And then the fees and business licensing...

I give more to govt (federal, local, and state) than I give to my own kids.

GrantMercury · 08-21-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

if I had to pay 25% of my income in federal taxes I would be completely bankrupt.

If it's going to be a no-deductions flat tax system (which I think it should be), it needs to be a lower rate than that.(

But a "flat tax"? Why? You're going to tell someone making $20k they have to pay the same tax rate as a billionaire?

A progressive tax is totally sensible. I WANT to pay higher taxes on my 250,000th dollar than I do on my $40,000th. Give me the lower tax rate when I really NEED it, I'll make it up by paying more when I really can SPARE it.

Robbie · 08-21-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

But a "flat tax"? Why? You're going to tell someone making $20k they have to pay the same tax rate as a billionaire?

A progressive tax is totally sensible. I WANT to pay higher taxes on my 250,000th dollar than I do on my $40,000th. Give me the lower tax rate when I really NEED it, I'll make it up by paying more when I really can SPARE it.

I personally think a flat tax is completely fair. I never quite understood how anybody could justify forcing people to pay more of a percentage of their income than someone else does.

If you made 1 million dollars this year and paid a 15% flat tax...you would be writing the federal govt. a check for $150,000
That's WAY more than a guy making $50,000 is going to pay in.
Yet you wouldn't be getting any more federal public services than the guy making $50,000 and paying $7,500

It doesn't seem fair to me at all. But that is just my opinion.

Also keep in mind that if you made a million dollars a year...you very likely would purchase many more things because of your money. So you would not only be helping the economy...but also paying a LOT more state sales tax than the guy making $50,000

You would also very likely own a fairly expensive home and end up paying a LOT more in property taxes.

You know what I'm saying.

So yeah...a federal flat tax seems a lot more fair to me. And I'd bet that "rich" guys would actually end up paying a lot more in taxes than they currently do with all the deductions they can take.

The rich already pay the overwhelming majority of taxes in this country. And look what the feds do with it.

Wars. Funneling money back to their cronies. And a lot of our hard earned money is going to pay the principle on the debt they have incurred.

I think instead of trying to take other people's money...we should get our govt. under control first.

08-17-2012, 12:41 PM	#102
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Gotta understand, if it's EVER been spoken of on the Huffington Post or MSNBC, it equals the socialist left wing media propoganda machine. It's the new black. My friend told me today that she read in a news report that a company discovered that, and I'm quoting here, "most" of Romneys Twitter followers were, "fake". I told her but surely you must be reading the left wing media because it contained that story. We had a nice laugh. That's how it goes these days. Why be intellectually honest or curious when you can just kill every messenger? Takes too much effort to have actual arguments and counter arguments. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-17-2012, 08:49 PM	#109
GrantMercury Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,626	Mitt is a little bitch Mitt is a little bitch. He sends his wife out to announce that there will be no further tax returns released (crooks). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1778376.html And he has his son call the losing VP hopefuls http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/48622065 What kind of man does that? __________________ http://www.taboophonesexfantasy.com http://www.thekittykatclub.com

08-20-2012, 09:47 AM	#114
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,955	GrantMercury...guys like Romney earn money on Capital Gains. Do you suggest raising taxes on capital gains? Or do you just like posting vitriolic words? What is your suggestion? And would raising taxes on capital gains do anything to help our country get out of debt? Why do you want anybody to pay more taxes? To build roads? Nope, that's the gasoline tax. To help schools? Nope, that's the property tax. To help seniors? Nope, that the social security and medicare taxes. To allow congressmen to send money back to their cronies at home with pork barrel spending? Yep. To fund more wars? Yep. How about this...even after we lost our credit rating, the govt. hasn't slowed down spending at all. In fact they INCREASED spending. (though they did decrease the amount of the increase...only in Washington D.C. would that be considered a "cut") How about politicians get serious about STOPPING THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING. Then we'll worry about taxes. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

08-21-2012, 09:38 AM	#118
GrantMercury Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,626	Lies are all Mitt has. Now he's whining like a fucking bitch about Obama's "hate", when all it is is fair criticism. Willard is a lightweight. __________________ http://www.taboophonesexfantasy.com http://www.thekittykatclub.com

08-21-2012, 10:59 AM	#121
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	The kardashians would argue until death that they've worked hard to earn every single penny though and who could actually deny that that is true? The whole notion and unspoken premise of class warfare is such a load of shit. Don't believe it for a moment. I'll agree right now that everyone in america should pay 25% on their income no matter where it comes from starting........... now. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-17-2012, 12:33 PM	#101
DudeRick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tobacco Road Posts: 1,568	Enjoy your Kool-Aid. ;)

08-17-2012, 03:16 PM	#106
DudeRick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tobacco Road Posts: 1,568	Or this one... Obamacare Robs Medicare of $716 Billion to Fund Itself http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/01/...o-fund-itself/