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Old 09-16-2012, 02:19 PM   #51
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:35 PM   #52
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Brilliant. Congrats on ur millions, even though you won't see them from prison
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:19 PM   #53
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i know a few people who run sportsbooks and poker sites that would prob buy the data.
Not surprised about that.
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Really dickhead? He steals customer data from his employer, commits countless crimes and is planning his final crime before he goes to prison and you have some monetization tips?

Why not? Everyone cheers Manwin on as if they are Spartans returning from a glorious battle. Why can't someone help out someone else who broke the rules and possibly the law?
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Why not? Everyone cheers Manwin on as if they are Spartans returning from a glorious battle. Why can't someone help out someone else who broke the rules and possibly the law?
To begin with, you'd also be an accomplice in the long list of crimes he's committed already. There is no "possibly" in the OP's description of the crimes he's admitted to.
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We're dealing with a real Einstein here.
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Old 09-16-2012, 05:38 PM   #57
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I hope he was covering his tracks by saying he was working at London based agency while actually he worked somewhere else, or even he got that data by other means.
Nobody can be that stupid, why you even would want to post specifics like that? He could ask same question without posting those specifics.

However if that is true so my message to OP would be - If you are that stupid to voluntarily post unnecessary specifics like that then you are definitely too stupid to execute everything without going to face consequences.
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:23 PM   #58
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If you were to steal eharmony's database of emails, that would be worth a lot to anyone with a dating site along similar lines.

Unless you have trusted connections it's a shot in the dark and I'd either STFU about it or do something with it myself.
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I love threads like these. Helps put everything into sharp focus, black and white, good vs evil, and makes it clear as an un-muddied lake of deepest azure which people to do biz with and which to steer as far clear of as possible.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:15 AM   #60
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is this board just 100% trolls and surfers now? People who actually do business used to read it.
Explain to us how GFY are trolls by not sharing your excitement for illegally obtained data.
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I love threads like these. Helps put everything into sharp focus, black and white, good vs evil, and makes it clear as an un-muddied lake of deepest azure which people to do biz with and which to steer as far clear of as possible.
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I lost my job at a good sized London-based online gambling company recently, but not before copying the past year's depositor data on to a flash drive. I have nearly one million records of individuals who have deposited money into their casinos... full records; including home address, phone, amount deposited, etc. I know from working in the industry for years that this kind of data is literally worth millions of dollars.

This is sort of a once in a lifetime opportunity for me... i regret if some folks view my actions an unethical... but in these shite economic times, we all have to look out for our own families first. My former employer was seriously under-utilizing their customer data anyway.

My question is... I'm not a marketer... what is my best move here? Should i be setting up servers to bulk mail these people gambling ads every day? Or should i try to sell the data quickly and walk (run) away laughing?

Anyone offering services that may be able to help me effectively monetize this data, please feel free to spam
So, you are not a marketer but you apparently know enough to say that your former employer under utilized the list as part of your justification for screwing them over? I bet they deserved it for not listening to your genius ideas and not appreciating your all encompassing greatness.

Are you seriously asking for advice on spamming the customers you stole? You seem totally oblivious to the fact that law enforcement routinely studies GFY looking for morons like you that are not only ethically challenged but criminally retarded.

The worst/funniest/most pathetic irony is your email addy... DataGod? What happened? DataLord already taken or just didn't sound omniscient enough?



By the way, you are an admitted thief and scammer. Now tell me I should be banned if I can't post proof.
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To begin with, you'd also be an accomplice in the long list of crimes he's committed already. There is no "possibly" in the OP's description of the crimes he's admitted to.
For offering possible advice on a public message board where the person posting made no financial gain or had anything to do with the data whatsoever? Not gonna happen. That would be like trying to implicate youtube because they have "how to" videos to make home made napalm, after some dumb as kid caught himself on fire.

Furthermore, our industry is FULL of thieves and criminals. Not sure why everyone is so shocked about the OPs data. He's just another spoke in a giant shit wheel.
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There are people who would buy the data, and mail it I am sure. You would have to seek them out.

The most profitable would be to mail it yourself, but if you sell it to a data broker, you may be able to get a few bucks for it. It really will depending on if they buy it outright or do a revenue share on it. Sorry to hear about your job.

Consoling a thief over losing his job?
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For offering possible advice on a public message board where the person posting made no financial gain or had anything to do with the data whatsoever? Not gonna happen. That would be like trying to implicate youtube because they have "how to" videos to make home made napalm, after some dumb as kid caught himself on fire.

Furthermore, our industry is FULL of thieves and criminals. Not sure why everyone is so shocked about the OPs data. He's just another spoke in a giant shit wheel.
Are you sure you can't be charged with aiding and abetting if there is no financial gain?
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For offering possible advice on a public message board where the person posting made no financial gain or had anything to do with the data whatsoever? Not gonna happen. That would be like trying to implicate youtube because they have "how to" videos to make home made napalm, after some dumb as kid caught himself on fire.

Furthermore, our industry is FULL of thieves and criminals. Not sure why everyone is so shocked about the OPs data. He's just another spoke in a giant shit wheel.
The guy hasn't got HIS data, so DWB has no problem with it. Par for the course there.....
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Are you sure you can't be charged with aiding and abetting if there is no financial gain?
In some cases, sure. But an opinion from some dude on a message board who is probably in another country and doesn't even know the other guy to begin with? Not gonna happen.
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The guy hasn't got HIS data, so DWB has no problem with it. Par for the course there.....
I was wondering how long it would take some idiot to twist what I said about Barefootsies post into saying I support the actions of the thief. However, I didn't expect it from you, as you're usually one of the smarter guys around here.

That said, why in the fuck do I care about the OP, his list, imaginary or real, or what he is going to do with it? I don't know him, I don't talk to him, I don't do business with him, I wouldn't do business with him, I don't care if he lives or dies, and I wouldn't stop to piss on him if he was on fire. My reply was due to a reply that came from a post Barefootsies made, not the OP.

And besides, all this heat on this guy for what? He may just be trolling. All of us are SURROUNDED by people who do the same thing in this business, but do it for real, they just don't broadcast it on GFY. Stolen member lists, stolen affiliate lists, emails, credit card data, content, and so on. No one has problems with those people. WTF Bucks hacked NATS and stole data and are allowed to pin posts here for fucks sake. You can bet if this guy was paying a high PPS or bought drinks for everyone at the shows, no one would have a problem with him either. But, I digress. I'm the bad guy now. That's all that matters. Hey, here is an idea, why not start a new thread about it and start a GFY witch hunt?
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snicker... You talk as if everything was so black and white in this industry. If you truly believe this you are either extremely naive, or straight up ignorant. No offense. Making remarks like this above, after 15+ years of adult programs and billing companies screwing over affiliates and clients is pure comedy. You obviously are not following the rabbit hole deep enough.

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I always get a good laugh with some glass house tootsie, who's had all of his previous nicks banned a couple of dozen times gets ballsy. Lemme guess, you have more nicks "lined up for days" right? Count down to melt down in 5..4...3...

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I was wondering how long it would take some idiot to twist what I said about Barefootsies post into saying I support the actions of the thief. However, I didn't expect it from you, as you're usually one of the smarter guys around here.
Doesn't take long. It's like throwing chum in the water. I also agree with you in regards to your lagcam. While I do not always see eye to eye with the guy, he does show some level of intelligence most of the time. In most threads, he's like the voice of reason.

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And besides, all this heat on this guy for what? He may just be trolling. All of us are SURROUNDED by people who do the same thing in this business, but do it for real, they just don't broadcast it on GFY. Stolen member lists, stolen affiliate lists, emails, credit card data, content, and so on. No one has problems with those people. WTF Bucks hacked NATS and stole data and are allowed to pin posts here for fucks sake. You can bet if this guy was paying a high PPS or bought drinks for everyone at the shows, no one would have a problem with him either. But, I digress. I'm the bad guy now. That's all that matters. Hey, here is an idea, why not start a new thread about it and start a GFY witch hunt?
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I always get a good laugh with some glass house tootsie, who's had all of his previous nicks banned a couple of dozen times gets ballsy. Lemme guess, you have more nicks "lined up for days" right? Count down to melt down in 5..4...3...


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I was wondering how long it would take some idiot to twist what I said about Barefootsies post into saying I support the actions of the thief. However, I didn't expect it from you, as you're usually one of the smarter guys around here.

That said, why in the fuck do I care about the OP, his list, imaginary or real, or what he is going to do with it? I don't know him, I don't talk to him, I don't do business with him, I wouldn't do business with him, I don't care if he lives or dies, and I wouldn't stop to piss on him if he was on fire. My reply was due to a reply that came from a post Barefootsies made, not the OP.

And besides, all this heat on this guy for what? He may just be trolling. All of us are SURROUNDED by people who do the same thing in this business, but do it for real, they just don't broadcast it on GFY. Stolen member lists, stolen affiliate lists, emails, credit card data, content, and so on. No one has problems with those people. WTF Bucks hacked NATS and stole data and are allowed to pin posts here for fucks sake. You can bet if this guy was paying a high PPS or bought drinks for everyone at the shows, no one would have a problem with him either. But, I digress. I'm the bad guy now. That's all that matters. Hey, here is an idea, why not start a new thread about it and start a GFY witch hunt?
My point was that if this guy was selling full details of members who had subscribed to a site that you or Barefootsies were a member of you would be right at the front of the lynch mob, but because it's data from an online london based bookmaker that neither of you use then what he is proposing to do appears to be less alarming to you.

It is not his data to sell or even use, it is not even a grey area, and the last thing that anybody here should be doing is giving any advice to this guy or anybody that could potentially be selling credit card numbers to the kind of people who would be in the market to buy such data.
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My point was that if this guy was selling full details of members who had subscribed to a site that you or Barefootsies were a member of you would be right at the front of the lynch mob, but because it's data from an online london based bookmaker that neither of you use then what he is proposing to do appears to be less alarming to you.
I leave the witch hunts to glass house trolls with a lot of free time.

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It is not his data to sell or even use, it is not even a grey area, and the last thing that anybody here should be doing is giving any advice to this guy or anybody that could potentially be selling credit card numbers to the kind of people who would be in the market to buy such data.
As opposed to say.... promoting affiliate programs who do shady cross sales, upsells, banging cards, own tube sites, file lockers, sell customer data.... ISP's who host them.... billing companies that process for them.... traffic and content guys who do business with them....

My point is, this industry lives up to the DWB quote mike south flies in his sig. Many of the same puppeteers are behind these different companies if you follow the rabbit hole deep enough. There are very few black and white, preacher sheet clean, "top notch, a++, stand up guys".

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My point was that if this guy was selling full details of members who had subscribed to a site that you or Barefootsies were a member of you would be right at the front of the lynch mob, but because it's data from an online london based bookmaker that neither of you use then what he is proposing to do appears to be less alarming to you.

It is not his data to sell or even use, it is not even a grey area, and the last thing that anybody here should be doing is giving any advice to this guy or anybody that could potentially be selling credit card numbers to the kind of people who would be in the market to buy such data.
Go back and read what I said. It had nothing to do with his data base of info or if it is right or wrong. As I said in my last post, my reply was about Barefootsies' post, which was about him giving ideas to monetize that list. Even then, my post wasn't even TO Barefootsies. It was to someone else who replied to Barefootsies saying he was wrong for giving his opinion on the matter.

FYI... if you are in this business, your data has been stolen at one time or another. You just didn't know it. Criminals have their hands in every aspect of this industry. I could drop some bombshells if I wanted to but I'd probably get sued.

And what lynch mob? Far-L is probably one of the most respected guys posting in this thread and he does business with the biggest pirate operation IN THE WORLD, but doesn't have a problem with it. Why not? Because he makes money from them. Steal everyone's content for years and help destroy the very industry you are in, no problem if people can profit from it. Steal a date base of information and try to sell it, you're scum of the earth. Not to pick on Far-L, but I'm just making a point.

Lastly, I still don't give a shit. Why? For the same reason I don't give a shit that some unnamed village in Afghanistan was bombed into dirt today by my government. Sure, both events are most unfortunate, and in the latter case very sad and unjust, but what can I do about it? Should I lose sleep over the fact this guy *may* have some data base full of guys who spend money in a casino? Should I write my congressman? Should I vote for Obama? Should I boycott casinos? Tell me, please, what should I do? Because other than not giving a shit, I can't think of anything to do.
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Looking in the mirror again glass house?

It's nice to see you have free time between the $1 phone apps and your paper route. I thought gideongallery kept you busy on his legal defense team.

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And what lynch mob? Far-L is probably one of the most respected guys posting in this thread and he does business with the biggest pirate operation IN THE WORLD, but doesn't have a problem with it. Why not? Because he makes money from them. Steal everyone's content for years and help destroy the very industry you are in, no problem if people can profit from it. Steal a date base of information and try to sell it, you're scum of the earth. Not to pick on Far-L, but I'm just making a point.
Exactly. I do not have a problem with Far-L, lagcam, or most rational people in the thread who actually are in this business full time and have made a valid counter point. I get along with DWB and have plenty of spirited debates. However, this thread is full of people who seem to want to pick and choose where they get offended despite their all sitting in the same boat.

- Adult programs own content or file lockers on the down low.
- Adult programs used to do shady cross sales or upsells.
- Adult programs run their own tube sites, whether with their content or "user submitted".
- Adult ad networks sell the ad space on those "user submitted" tube sites.
- Adult programs like MFC advertise on file lockers and pirate sites.
- Adult programs banging cards like a bad habit.
- Adult programs make money on the "user uploaded" content and in turn then go license legal content to mix it up.

That is just the tip of the iceberg. My point is, if you're an affiliate, you're promoting these people above. If you're a content provider, you are selling or shooting for these people above. If you're a traffic guy, you also are in bed with the same people I've mentioned. If you're and adult industry ISP, you're hosting those same company and people I just referenced.

Assuming you are completely independent and do not promote others, or buy and sell traffic (unlikely), and claim to be as clean as the preacher's sheets, let's see if you have receipts for every piece of software, music downloaded, video games, porn clips and alike you presume to "own". I'd bet a lot of the glass house tootsies would then keep trying to move that line of what is "acceptable" and not as it pertains to them with some level of 'everyone else is doing it'.

My intention was not going to get sucked into the debate with a bunch of hippocrites who seem to believe their level of "ethics" (i.e. theft) is somehow better than the other's because you steal from corporate conglomerates, while this guy stole from his past employer. It's wrong all the way around in the real world of black and white law. However I doubt most bashing this turd in the thread can truly prove they are preacher's sheets clean across the board. Whether personally, or professionally. Either they have done business in the past with those doing wrong, or they steal on a personal level for their own personal gain.

In the end, the only real debate here ultimate is where others "draw the line".
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i forgot to mention, this is a hypothetical situation.
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not really wise to post about it on a forum, and if you did you could at least not mention what you did, you could have just asked if anyone is looking for casino leads, and save yourself troubles of your former employer taking legal action which he/she can.

in some countries you would be executed for stealing. just glad you live where you do.
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snicker... You talk as if everything was so black and white in this industry. If you truly believe this you are either extremely naive, or straight up ignorant. No offense. Making remarks like this above, after 15+ years of adult programs and billing companies screwing over affiliates and clients is pure comedy. You obviously are not following the rabbit hole deep enough.
Ummmm... I think you missed my point.

Everything is not black and white, clear as day, etc., in fact the reality is the opposite which is why when I see a thread that like this that makes it truly clear, and exposes the cockroaches that tend to hide behind the board and hope no one notices what scamming unethical scum they truly are, I get a kick out of watching them scurry around, and I like when for once things do become obvious.

So, I am sure you didn't miss my point because you are either straight up ignorant or extremely naive in your assumptions. However, I didn't really think I needed to go down any rabbit holes to explain myself, because I think you should have just read my words and not tried to infer anything or make any assumptions about my intelligence. Not that I didn't enjoy watching you try to justify some conclusion that is entirely baseless and false because that is pure comedy.

I do appreciate you taking a moment to comment on my post though, but feel free to go back to giving the thief advice on how to take advantage of his ill gotten gains.
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I do appreciate you taking a moment to comment on my post though, but feel free to go back to giving the thief advice on how to take advantage of his ill gotten gains.
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Far-L is probably one of the most respected guys posting in this thread and he does business with the biggest pirate operation IN THE WORLD, but doesn't have a problem with it. Why not? Because he makes money from them.
Agreed on both accounts.

As I said, it comes to where one prefers to 'draw the line'. If they do business with the thieving affiliate program/tube/ad network... that's ok. If they steal their music, videos, porn, software, that's appears to be ok as well. But if someone is IN YOUR FACE stealing.. oh, well that's bad. But it's ok otherwise it seems.



I enjoy playing devil's advocate in these threads, as I know that there are very few "preacher's sheets" available.

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Agreed on both accounts.

As I said, it comes to where one prefers to 'draw the line'. If they do business with the thieving affiliate program/tube/ad network... that's ok. If they steal their music, videos, porn, software, that's appears to be ok as well. But if someone is IN YOUR FACE stealing.. oh, well that's bad. But it's ok otherwise it seems.
Post proof or be banned.

For the record...

I don't like piracy.

I don't know if manwin stole content because our company didn't have that experience. When we addressed our content being there, they complied with takedowns fast and worked with us to correct the issue. In short, they were professional about it and did not act shady at all. I understand the grey area of "user submitted" and while they took advantage of the DMCA loophole to great success, it doesn't mean they were stealing. Just because people say they stole doesn't mean that they stole. Huge grey area because of the nature of the beast, I agree, but we had to make our judgement about working with them based on what we knew first hand and not based on hearsay.

People also called Youtube on the same greyness btw but I guess mainstream learned how to deal with that and rein in the glaring copyright issues not unlike Manwin did as well.

But if you can find one instance that is actually black and white and not grey area where I supported a thief, like gave them advice on how to be a better scammer, then please feel free to point it out.
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