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Old 10-13-2012, 09:19 AM   #1
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The Sensata Story Could Destroy Romney!

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Romney's Bain Capital did what they do best. They bought out a company called Sensata Tech and are in the process of outsourcing it to China.

They even brought in Chinese workers for the current employees to train. Yea, they were forced to train their own replacements.

And Bain Capital forced the company to take down their American flag and put up a Chinese flag while they trained them.

A Chinese flag was flying over a Bain-owned factory in Freeport, Illinois.

This is our economy if Romney wins.

Please don't take my word for it, read for yourself below. This story needs to get out for the sake of this election and for the workers camping out in protest of their jobs being outsourced.

Oh.. and the company is set to to close on November 5th, one day before the election.
Plenty of links in article for source info.

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What bullshit. People making up false things to slander Romney or Obama should have charges filed on them.
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What bullshit. People making up false things to slander Romney or Obama should have charges filed on them.
Yeah, all those people who say Obama is an Anti-American Socialist Communist Kenyan Muslim should be arrested!
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Freedom of speech is one thing, Directly lying to the public and making ads to Slander someone is another.
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Check the links in the article the author used for background info. They look legit.
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If it was legit it would be on a more known website. and the Obama/Biden campaign would be using it like crazy. instead they focus on big bird
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I CALL BS. If there was a Chinese flag was flying over a Bain-owned factory in Freeport, Illinois there would be photos all over the internet. Try to find one.
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In the world of "alleged" wrongdoings, here's another sensational story to hit the web...

Wild Story: William Koch, Billionaire Koch Brother, Accused Of Imprisoning Executive
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This chart from Think Progress shows what happened to our manufacturing base immediately after Bush took office. Seriously, look at this chart and see if you can just guess why we have such a terrible economy today:
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Looks like we need a successful business man with experience to come in and fix this
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Looks like we need a successful business man with experience to come in and fix this
Look, a red triangle!

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Why did Obama not send extra security to Libya to protect our ambassador and then lie about it and blame it on YouTube? That means more to me than some bankrupt company being sold.

Go to Vegas, tons of property is being bought up by foreign investors.
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Gee, let's think about what happened right after Bush took office. You don't think that had any negative repercussions?
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Gee, let's think about what happened right after Bush took office. You don't think that had any negative repercussions?
Look, a blue diamond!

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Not on manufacturing as we were ramping up for a two-front war. The wars in the Middle East were great for the military-industrial complex. The truth is that the Chinese made a deal to get cheap goods on our shelves, we bought the crap at places like Walmart, and they used the money to buy our factories. It is still going on.

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Why did Obama not send extra security to Libya to protect our ambassador and then lie about it and blame it on YouTube?
Funny thing is they wanted to impeach Clinton over lying to the public about getting a bj....
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Funny thing is they wanted to impeach Clinton over lying to the public about getting a bj....
Yeah that's a good one! Imagine if your administration was responsible for a million foreign deaths over a war started over a lie? What a crazy world that would be!
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Funny thing is they wanted to impeach Clinton over lying to the public about getting a bj....
I guess no one wants to address my question.
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Yeah that's a good one! Imagine if your administration was responsible for a million foreign deaths over a war started over a lie? What a crazy world that would be!
again more bullshit lies. 911 was the government!!! what idiots!

Bush stood up for America, To bad we don't have a president doing that now, Instead Obama wants to apologize....

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Baddog, I tried.
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Gotta go guys, just found out Romney is a few miles away getting ready to give a speech.
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I did a cursory search and this is the only photo I could find with a Chinese flag flying in front of a Sensata building:



Sure appears to be a photo taken in China (not Illinois), therefore it is understandable that the Chinese flag would be flying higher.

There are plenty of valid points which can be effectively argued without resorting to fabrications/distortions.



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Wait a second...

So Romney owns stock in the company that he used to work with.

And that company is now outsourcing some company to China.

So now Romney and everyone who owns stock in that company is directly responsible & will be "destroyed"???

I guess all of us who own Apple stock are in the same boat and could be "destroyed" lol

What a fucking bunch of stupidity that has NOTHING to do with whether Obama deserves another term.
When are the Democrats going to run on Obama's record instead of trying to destroy his opponent.

I've never seen such desperation for a guy to try to hang on to the White House and all of it's perks.
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What is that, an elephant in the room?
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Baddog, I tried.
Really? I see no mention of Libya.
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Really? I see no mention of Libya.

Thats because the only people concerned with Libya are you, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Mutt Romney.
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Gee, let's think about what happened right after Bush took office. You don't think that had any negative repercussions?
What happened after GW took office shouldn't hurt that stat it should help it since war production have always been a good thing (talking private manufacturers) see post WWII

For your other questions Clinton lied about getting a BJ, Bush lied about something that ended up sending hundreds of thousands Americans and other nationalities to war in Iraq killing thousands of troops doing their duty. Whats worse?

For the record I agreed 100% with going into Afghanistan despite the clusterfuck its turned into.
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I CALL BS. If there was a Chinese flag was flying over a Bain-owned factory in Freeport, Illinois there would be photos all over the internet. Try to find one.
I agree. I went looking through a whole lot of shit.

From what I can tell, that picture is the Sensata plant in Changzhou China

http://www.globallabourrights.org/reports?id=0653 Slide down to the bottom and the have the picture with an address listed.

I also checked all over and could not find an address for the plant in Freeport. I did find a news article that referenced that the plant was on Fairgrounds road. I did a google map and looked at the sattelite and the only place I could see on firgrounds road that could be a plant was across from the firgrounds and next to a walmart. The full size image from the link above shows that the plant picture is next to a bunch of high rises.




So, what we appear to have is a legitimate complaint (the jobs being outsourced) that someone has to fuck with by inserting a pic from China.

Fucking idiots. They just Fuhrman up the whole fucking deal.

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For the record I agreed 100% with going into Afghanistan despite the clusterfuck its turned into.
I think it was a bad move to invade an entire country because we wanted to get ONE guy (Bin Laden) It's got to be illegal as well (under international law)

At the time, I was like everybody else and wanting revenge and all gung-ho. But in retrospect, we should have sent in the CIA and assassinated Bin Laden instead of starting a freaking war and now a loooooooonnnnnnnnngggggg occupation of their country.

Hell...the whole reason for it was to get Bin Laden. Well, Bin Laden wasn't even there (he was in Pakistan). And now he's dead.
And we're STILL there getting our people killed over the most shitty piece of dirt in the world (Afghanistan).

Makes me sick. That's why I'm voting for Johnson. He wants to end this madness and bring the troops home NOW. Not in 2 years. NOW.
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So you are saying that Romney isn't our guy then? Cause he has experience as business man who takes and ships jobs overseas but has never proven to be a job creator.

As governor his state dropped to 47th in unemployment. In Bain Capitol they cut jobs and shipped them abroad like all other corporations do now a days. I'm not criticizing Romney for being successful but this notion he can create jobs is based on the fact he is a millionaire who actually became wealthy doing the opposite of what the country needs right now.

Mitt Romney Job Creator Myth
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As governor his state dropped to 47th in unemployment.
That's because they didn't need job "growth". Everyone was employed and nobody was losing jobs.

5% is considered effective 100% employment:

"According to unemployment data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that the unemployment rate in Massachusetts was 5.6 percent when Romney took office in January 2003, and it was 4.6 percent when he left office in January 2007."

4.6 percent...people would give their left nut for that kind of number now.
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I guess no one wants to address my question.
Here are some answers for you:

the "lack" of security was due to the fact is wasn't an embassy it was a CIA base
http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/o...ow-cias-cover/

The CIA is running a covert war in Libya. The fact is America is too broke to have another Iraq / Afghanistan style conflict so they have opted for convert operations supporting "freedom fighters" in Libya and Syria.

Now in Libya three things happened

1. The new Libyan government did not want US security contractors on the ground in Libya (google blackwater Iraq and you'll see why). So in order to keep the appearance of a legitimate government the U.S.A. appeased them in the wish so a Libyan security contractor got the job.

2. The fact is that the USA didn't send military security detail to Libya because the only way too afford it would be to use private contractors. The budget for embassy security is stretched due to the fact that the world hates America and America has embassies everywhere.

3. The CIA is a ghost agency, they don't want their operations to come to light. They were trying to play it both ways, have the appearance of a friendly to the people embassy while covertly over taking the Libyan Government.

So this argument of Obama should of sent more security is really a misguided attempt to score points for Romney. Why aren't republicans saying "Why is the CIA in Libya?", "Why did we remove Gaddafi if it was going to result in a prolonged insurgensecy?", "Why at a time when we have four covert wars in Yemen, Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan are we injecting (or creating depending on who you believe) ourselves into a Libyan conflict"?

because Republicans have been a part of the plan since day 1. And if Republicans cared so much about embassy security why did the cut funds for it?

And they made Ron Paul seem crazy for wanting to close all U.S. bases over seas and stop trying to play world police.
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That's because they didn't need job "growth". Everyone was employed and nobody was losing jobs.

5% is considered effective 100% employment:

"According to unemployment data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that the unemployment rate in Massachusetts was 5.6 percent when Romney took office in January 2003, and it was 4.6 percent when he left office in January 2007."

4.6 percent...people would give their left nut for that kind of number now.


Keep telling yourself all that bullshit but the fact remains Romney is down by 20 points in Massachusetts. He was so great they won't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
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So this argument of Obama should of sent more security is really a misguided attempt to score points for Romney.
Heard on the news this week that the ambassador in PARIS has a full time Marine detachment that travels with him everywhere.

The ambassador requested more security to accompany him wherever he went. Our intelligence and the ambassador both reported threats that were being made and that terrorists groups were planning an attack.
They were denied by the State Dept.

Congress had State Dept. officials testify to those facts this week.

The Obama campaign tried to cover it all up in a "misguided attempt to score political points".

But of course...people who are hypnotized by baby jesus Obama refuse to see any of that.
Nixon left office for covering up a break in at the Watergate to steal DNC files. Nobody lost their lives.

Obama's people clumsily tried to cover up this Libya debacle. Obama went on Letterman and went in front of the United Nations and tried to say it was a protest over a video that had been out since July. He did that after the intelligence community had already told him what everyone in the world with half a brain already had figured out...that it was a military type attack.

But he and his administration just kept on bullshitting.

If the media can spend weeks on Romney's dog riding on top of the car in the 1980's or Romney beating up some kid in 1960...I think that when the State Dept. fucks up and gets our ambassador killed that they are going to have to take their lumps.

My feeling is this: Hillary Clinton is the Sec. Of State. SHE is the head of the State Dept.

But there is no way that Obama wants to piss off Bill Clinton by having Hillary's head roll over this debacle.

"Misguided political points" indeed. Bill Clinton is the best thing so far in Obama's campaign.
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Keep telling yourself all that bullshit
That "bullshit" is from the US Dept. of Labor.

You just keep on chanting "Yes we can" and "Obama" and believing whatever you like.
That's your right as a citizen.

Just make sure you get out and vote for Obama if you really believe what you are saying. Nothing wrong with voting for the man you believe will do the best job.
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That "bullshit" is from the US Dept. of Labor.

You just keep on chanting "Yes we can" and "Obama" and believing whatever you like.
That's your right as a citizen.

Just make sure you get out and vote for Obama if you really believe what you are saying. Nothing wrong with voting for the man you believe will do the best job.

It's more of a case of voting against the man who will do the worse job. Romney is a bigger douche than Bush was.
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It's more of a case of voting against the man who will do the worse job.
Don't do that.
That's what we've all been doing for years.

Take a look at the other candidates. People will tell you you are "wasting your vote" if you don't vote for Romney or Obama.
But I have to tell you....my decision a couple of weeks ago to register as a Libertarian and plan on voting for Johnson on Nov. 6th is the "cleanest" I've ever felt about an election.

I feel I've been "wasting my vote" by not voting for the best man in the past.
Not this time.
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A picture of a factory in China is irrelevant to whether or not a Chinese flag was flying over a factory in Illinois.
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A picture of a factory in China is irrelevant to whether or not a Chinese flag was flying over a factory in Illinois.
And what factory in IL had a Chinese flag flying over it?
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:33 AM   #43
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I did a cursory search and this is the only photo I could find with a Chinese flag flying in front of a Sensata building:



Sure appears to be a photo taken in China (not Illinois)
Gee, aren't you a regular fucking Sherlock Holmes. You have a screenshot from a video with the video URL beneath it, and you haven't even bothered to watch it?

In the video it's made quite clear the image you posted is a Chinese factory, since Charles Kernaghan, from the Institute For Global Labour And Human Rights, is talking about the shitty working conditions at two Sensata factories in China, of which that is specifically illustrated as being one.

Here ya go:



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There are plenty of valid points which can be effectively argued without resorting to fabrications/distortions.
The only one resorting to fabrications and distortions is you, posting an image that isn't used in any of those stories, and lying about it, or misunderstanding it through lazy ignorance.

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I agree. I went looking through a whole lot of shit.

From what I can tell, that picture is the Sensata plant in Changzhou China
See above. The video makes it quite clear that's a Chinese factory.

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I also checked all over and could not find an address for the plant in Freeport. I did find a news article that referenced that the plant was on Fairgrounds road. I did a google map and looked at the sattelite and the only place I could see on firgrounds road that could be a plant was across from the firgrounds and next to a walmart. The full size image from the link above shows that the plant picture is next to a bunch of high rises.
Uh, because the factory in that photo you posted is in China. I thought that was your entire point? So why are you confused that it doesn't look like IL? The Sensata factory is where you think it is, next to Walmart.

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So, what we appear to have is a legitimate complaint (the jobs being outsourced) that someone has to fuck with by inserting a pic from China.

Fucking idiots. They just Fuhrman up the whole fucking deal.
The fucking idiot here is you, for not bothering to get your facts straight.

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You would have a point if those numbers started to climb back up under Bush as they have under Obama.
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The company recently made factory officials take down the American flag when they were forced to train their Chinese replacement workers, according to Tom Gaulrapp, with the United Steelworkers Union.
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Being told to train his replacement was humiliating and surreal, but Tom Gaulrapp said the worst part was when the plant?s US flag was taken down before the Chinese engineers arrived.

Gaulrapp decided it was time to take a stand against outsourcing and the man he blames for the loss of his job: Republican White House hopeful Mitt Romney, who founded the private equity firm that owns the Freeport, Illinois auto parts plant.
From article and backup sources.
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"the ambassador in PARIS has a full time Marine detachment that travels with him everywhere"

Yes because France is a Nato Ally, the U.S. had marines positioned in Vancouver for the Olympics because they reached an agreement. Libya has explicitly stated they do not want US marines on the ground. You just can't send Marines into a foriegn country without consent from their government, this is considered usually as an act of agression.

That is why its called a covert war

But I remember all the posts after the 12 embassy attacks on Bush's watch. I remember republicans calling for clearer answers on what happened then too. They still blame the 2004 Jeddah attacks on Al Queda even though that story has been debunked about a million times.

I like how you thought sending Marines into Afghanistan was illegal but sending them to a country that has specifically said they don't want them there is O.K.?

Obama started a covert war to overthrow the government of a soveirgn nation and your upset that he said an attack on a CIA base was caused by protests and not terrorists?
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Gee, aren't you a regular fucking Sherlock Holmes. You have a screenshot from a video with the video URL beneath it, and you haven't even bothered to watch it?

In the video it's made quite clear the image you posted is a Chinese factory, since Charles Kernaghan, from the Institute For Global Labour And Human Rights, is talking about the shitty working conditions at two Sensata factories in China, of which that is specifically illustrated as being one.

Here ya go:





The only one resorting to fabrications and distortions is you, posting an image that isn't used in any of those stories, and lying about it, or misunderstanding it through lazy ignorance.



See above, idiot. The video makes it quite clear that's a Chinese factory.



Uh, because the factory in that photo you posted is in China. I thought that was your entire point? So why are you confused that it doesn't look like IL? The Sensata factory is where you think it is, next to Walmart.



The fucking idiot here is you, for not bothering to get your facts straight.


Actually fuckwad I was talking about this http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...Destroy-Romney


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This story MUST be covered by the mainstream media (113+ / 0-)
...there is a CHINESE flag in front of an AMERICAN factory in my home state of Illinois thanks to Mitt Romney's Bain Capital!

This is a story that MUST be covered by the mainstream media!

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by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 10:03:29 PM PDT

Where did you see the Chinese flag? n/t (15+ / 0-)
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by highacidity on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 10:10:53 PM PDT

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Here (98+ / 9-)


from here at the 3:30 mark.

Sorry for posting the image twice, but I think it's important to get this Bainification of America out. The video is devastating, too.

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by middleagedhousewife on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 10:24:07 PM PDT
Where someone is representing that that picture is from their home state. I glanced at the video and then did some research to prove to myself that it was indeed a chinese factory and not an American factory.


Now, go fuck yourself.

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