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MakingItPay · 12-14-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Yadiyadiya bllaaaaah blaaah freedoms bleh blah familys yadiya

Well played.

Lemme guess. You don't live in the United States?

Dirty F · 12-14-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

A car or truck can be driven through a crowd. Quickly. Let's ban them too...

And no, that is not what the constitution had in mind... the deranged individual today was not fighting against tyranny for the security of the free state, as described in the 2nd Amendment, instead he took the lives of innocent people which is not at all what the 2nd Amendment is about... so he was obviously in the wrong and deserved to die for what he did and now he won't be hurting anyone else.

Is it the weed that made you this fucking stupid or we're you simply born like this?

Dirty F · 12-14-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Well played.

Lemme guess. You don't live in the United States?

Nope, i live in a first world country where you don't need an uzi to defend your home.

MakingItPay · 12-14-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Nope, i live in a first world country where you don't need an uzi to defend your home.

Do we send financial aid to your first world country? You are lucky. I live in a country where they have home invasions. The invaders love it when the homeowners are unarmed.

StickyGreen · 12-14-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Is it the weed that made you this fucking stupid or we're you simply born like this?

You're not allowed to comment on the constitution you weird dutch fag...

StickyGreen · 12-14-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Do we send financial aid to your first world country? You are lucky. I live in a country where they have home invasions. The invaders love it when the homeowners are unarmed.

Franck lives in CandyLand...

mikesinner · 12-14-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

Once upon a time, patriots who loved liberty, in other words, ordinary Americans, rose up with firearms against tyrants and threw them off these shores. Ever since, the story has inspired people all around the world. And the first thing the tyrants do is to round up all the guns, so that the government has a monopoly on the tools of violence. I'm really skeptical of the proposition that we are all safer, more free, and happier, when only people with badges have the guns. I think that invites tyranny. I don't think that anyone is safer when the basic means of self-defense that evens the playing field with criminals is taken away from peaceable citizens. I don't think it makes for a reduction in crime for bad people to know with reasonable surety that potential victims are unarmed.

I live in the last American jurisdiction that makes it always illegal for an ordinary citizen to go about armed, in fact it's a felony carrying 1-3 years in prison. Illinois. The other day, the Seventh Circuit declared the law unconstitutional and stayed the mandate for 180 days to give the legislature time to regulate our right to self defense. 180 days from now, I'll be one of the first in line for whatever permit may be required. Sanity finally comes to Illinois.

Because small arms work great against tanks, stealth bombers and nuclear weapons.

MakingItPay · 12-14-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner

Because small arms work great against tanks, stealth bombers and nuclear weapons.

Just ask the Taliban.

Rochard · 12-14-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

A car or truck can be driven through a crowd. Quickly. Let's ban them too...

I love this argument. Yes, a car can be driven into a crowd and can kill dozens quicker than a hand gun. Yet oddly enough we don't have people intentionally driving into crowds with the intentions of killing people. You can kill people with baseball bats and spoons and even duck tape if you really wanted to, but yet people always use guns. People use guns because it empowers them and gives them control.

Baseball bats are used for baseball. Cars are used for transportation. Spoons are used to eat with. Firearms are used to kill.

You can argue some firearms are used for hunting. But not hand guns. And not the Bushmaster this kid had today.

MakingItPay · 12-14-2012, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Franck lives in CandyLand...

He is fortunate.

StickyGreen · 12-14-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I love this argument. Yes, a car can be driven into a crowd and can kill dozens quicker than a hand gun. Yet oddly enough we don't have people intentionally driving into crowds with the intentions of killing people. You can kill people with baseball bats and spoons and even duck tape if you really wanted to, but yet people always use guns. People use guns because it empowers them and gives them control.

Baseball bats are used for baseball. Cars are used for transportation. Spoons are used to eat with. Firearms are used to kill.

You can argue some firearms are used for hunting. But not hand guns. And not the Bushmaster this kid had today.

I don't think you understand what the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is at all... maybe you should study some history tonight and figure it out, it's pretty simple... has nothing to do with hunting...

pornmasta · 12-14-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner

Because small arms work great against tanks, stealth bombers and nuclear weapons.

i think you can own a tank:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...killing-puppy/

MakingItPay · 12-14-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I love this argument. Yes, a car can be driven into a crowd and can kill dozens quicker than a hand gun. Yet oddly enough we don't have people intentionally driving into crowds with the intentions of killing people. You can kill people with baseball bats and spoons and even duck tape if you really wanted to, but yet people always use guns. People use guns because it empowers them and gives them control.

Baseball bats are used for baseball. Cars are used for transportation. Spoons are used to eat with. Firearms are used to kill.

You can argue some firearms are used for hunting. But not hand guns. And not the Bushmaster this kid had today.

Some firearms are used for hunting. Some for self defense. Some for law enforcement. I certainly don't think all guns are meant for hunting. I agree it would be nice if we could outlaw being a crazy violent person, then baseball bats, knives, and spoons would all be used for their desired purpose.

pornmasta · 12-14-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Yet oddly enough we don't have people intentionally driving into crowds with the intentions of killing people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...r_manslaughter

it happened recently in my area

tony286 · 12-14-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

I don't think you understand what the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is at all... maybe you should study some history tonight and figure it out, it's pretty simple... has nothing to do with hunting...

you tell the guy,who was actually a marine in combat.

tony286 · 12-14-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

Once upon a time, patriots who loved liberty, in other words, ordinary Americans, rose up with firearms against tyrants and threw them off these shores. Ever since, the story has inspired people all around the world. And the first thing the tyrants do is to round up all the guns, so that the government has a monopoly on the tools of violence. I'm really skeptical of the proposition that we are all safer, more free, and happier, when only people with badges have the guns. I think that invites tyranny. I don't think that anyone is safer when the basic means of self-defense that evens the playing field with criminals is taken away from peaceable citizens. I don't think it makes for a reduction in crime for bad people to know with reasonable surety that potential victims are unarmed.

I live in the last American jurisdiction that makes it always illegal for an ordinary citizen to go about armed, in fact it's a felony carrying 1-3 years in prison. Illinois. The other day, the Seventh Circuit declared the law unconstitutional and stayed the mandate for 180 days to give the legislature time to regulate our right to self defense. 180 days from now, I'll be one of the first in line for whatever permit may be required. Sanity finally comes to Illinois.

So in europe they arent free?

L-Pink · 12-14-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

I fucking crackup on morons everytime I read that excuse. The first Amendment to the US constitution is the protection of free speech. The third Amendment to the constitution is No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner.

So the second amendment must be about your hunting rights...

Nice

tony286 · 12-14-2012, 09:14 PM

I dont think they should ban guns. I think it should be a little harder to buy assault weapons and body armor.

2MuchMark · 12-14-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You may not be aware of it; but since you don't live here your vote does not matter.

Lol! Typical.

Americans are killing themselves and when someone in another country tries to give a damn, that's the default reaction? Sad, very sad.

StickyGreen · 12-14-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

you tell the guy,who was actually a marine in combat.

Just because you are a marine in combat doesn't mean you can't also be ignorant to the purpose of the 2nd Amendment...

TrustedJ · 12-14-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Mass shootings? When someone walks into a school, college, movie theatre and shoots the place up? No, not even close. How in the world is it legal that someone can legally own a assault weapon? You want to own a hunting gun? Fine so be it. No one should be able to legally own a fucking machine gun.

I agree with you 100%!

L-Pink · 12-14-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TrustedJ

I agree with you 100%!

No one is shooting people with machine guns.

[Labret] · 12-14-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Lol! Typical.

Americans are killing themselves and when someone in another country tries to give a damn, that's the default reaction? Sad, very sad.

Please. Since when do any of you smug Canadian queers give two shits about this sort of thing? If anything you relish in it. I bet you have been watching tv all day with quite the turgid erection. As if the dead kids were not bad enough... the army of Canadian whiners on their soapboxes we will all have to endure for the foreseeable future, unbearable.

TrustedJ · 12-14-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

No one is shooting people with machine guns.

Didn't say they were. I was just simply stating that I didn't think any private citizen should own one. The last time I was in vegas, I seen where you could go shoot full automatic machine guns. Obviously, you can get them in the US.

TrustedJ · 12-14-2012, 09:44 PM

Interesting statistics here:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

I would have never guessed that out of 14,299 murder victims in 2008,
34% were killed by something other than a gun. Now, if guns were not
legal, you must assume that this number would go up correct?

MakingItPay · 12-14-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TrustedJ

Didn't say they were. I was just simply stating that I didn't think any private citizen should own one. The last time I was in vegas, I seen where you could go shoot full automatic machine guns. Obviously, you can get them in the US.

Companies that have licenses can in Las Vegas apparently, but private citizens can not legally own a fully automatic weapon. Yet, they have been used in crimes. Even though they are illegal. Weird, right?

DBS.US · 12-14-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

I think it should be a little harder to buy assault weapons and body armor.

So if I have a job where I have a lot of cash you want it to be hard for me to buy a bullet proof vest?

If more people had bullet proof vests less people would die of gun shots.

PornoMonster · 12-14-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

No one is shooting people with machine guns.

I believe last news was the .223 Bushmaster was found in the car, so I believe he used only hand guns...

PornoMonster · 12-14-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

I dont think they should ban guns. I think it should be a little harder to buy assault weapons and body armor.

what is an Assault weapon?? You Do mean Full Auto right???

L-Pink · 12-14-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TrustedJ

Interesting statistics here:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

I would have never guessed that out of 14,299 murder victims in 2008,
34% were killed by something other than a gun. Now, if guns were not
legal, you must assume that this number would go up correct?

If it's premeditated murder, like todays school tragedy, the murderer will very likely have a method that makes his goal accomplishable.

tony286 · 12-14-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US

So if I have a job where I have a lot of cash you want it to be hard for me to buy a bullet proof vest?

If more people had bullet proof vests less people would die of gun shots.

These purchases seem to all follow the same mo, they are all bought in a short period of time. Nothing wrong with a few questions, you buy a 1000 rounds of ammo, an assault weapon and body armor. It should be a valid question, why do you need these?

Lester Burnham · 12-14-2012, 09:52 PM

Again, prohibition and the treatment of alcohol in early part of the last century is the best example when thinking about today's times and guns. You simply cannot ban firearms, the cat is already out the bag. Just regulate in a pragmatic and reasonably way.

Connecticut has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Guess what? This tragedy STILL happened. Newton looks like something out of the Stepford Wives. If it can happen there, it can happy anywhere.

I prefer to not be a victim, thus the reason I have a conceal carry license and carry quite often, especially malls, parks (if allowed) and metro areas.

tony286 · 12-14-2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

what is an Assault weapon?? You Do mean Full Auto right???

full auto or really big clips. Someone 24 buys a bunch of shit quick, questions should be asked. Not saying ban but it shouldnt be easy.

StickyGreen · 12-14-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

full auto or really big clips. Someone 24 buys a bunch of shit quick, questions should be asked. Not saying ban but it shouldnt be easy.

Yea, like "asking questions" is going to help anything, as if people don't ever answer questions with lies...

You either sell guns or you don't, you can't be expected to thoroughly interrogate a customer and always be suspicious of their intentions. That's what we have things like background checks for anyways...

Heath · 12-14-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TrustedJ

Interesting statistics here:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

I would have never guessed that out of 14,299 murder victims in 2008,
34% were killed by something other than a gun. Now, if guns were not
legal, you must assume that this number would go up correct?

Why not add murder via car accidents, which is 15x the amount.

Guess its time to ban cars.

Or how about LEGAL prescription drugs. Which surpasses even illegal drugs.

Guess its time to ban prescriptions.

Gimme a break. ONE guy does something, suddenly we ban every one else?

If that's the case then pens should be banned, because Al Capone once stabbed some one with one.

Logic. Use it, for once.

PornoMonster · 12-14-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

full auto or really big clips. Someone 24 buys a bunch of shit quick, questions should be asked. Not saying ban but it shouldnt be easy.

I agree..

Problem here is, I believe they said he took his Mom's weapons.

I am not sure if very many of these things were quickly decided. You can buy say 100 rounds a week, and so on.

In this case it "APPEARS" he only used the hand guns which he would of had to have only 3 to 5 clips for each hand gun if it held 12-15 rounds each.

bhutocracy · 12-14-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

Not trying to refute what you say, but just pointing out an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

Doesn't refute anything.. Guns were banned in Australia after this mass shooting (except rifles etc for farmers and sports shooters pistols). Mass shootings in the 15 years since the ban: 0

Different scenario though.. Aussies never came in the pants about guns.. I grew up firing them went I visited my grandads farm. But you never saw them around in towns.. it was weird for someone to have one.. If you had issues you fought someone like a man.. We never really lived in fear of being broken into or whatever and don't really give a shit about criminals shooting criminals which happens pretty rarely. Also we have a good public health system.. don't have a fraction of the crazies running around the streets like in the US.

tony286 · 12-14-2012, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I agree..

Problem here is, I believe they said he took his Mom's weapons.

I am not sure if very many of these things were quickly decided. You can buy say 100 rounds a week, and so on.

In this case it "APPEARS" he only used the hand guns which he would of had to have only 3 to 5 clips for each hand gun if it held 12-15 rounds each.

To me 15 rounds are alot. 6 per clip. wont stop it but will slow it down.

PornoMonster · 12-14-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

To me 15 rounds are alot. 6 per clip. wont stop it but will slow it down.

I wonder when he killed himself, when the Police arrived?? Before??

tony286 · 12-14-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I wonder when he killed himself, when the Police arrived?? Before??

I dont know, Im sure we will find out how the whole thing happened moment by moment.

directfiesta · 12-14-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Guns are illegal in Mexico, and yet more people have been killed there (by gunfire) since 2003 than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined..... Please explain that to everyone here.

procured from the place where they are legal ,,,, the USA !!!

bhutocracy · 12-14-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Because that's absolute proof the Australian gun ban was useless. Meaning, a criminal refused to turn in his firearms.

Nope, it's proof you don't know what you're talking about. The ban came AFTER and BECAUSE of Bryant.

That said America is a different situation. The gun buyback and ban would probably not work there. You guys probably just need better background checks and so on. I know someone here that got put on a 5 year gun license ban because they threatened someone. Hard to police a lot of this stuff though - most of these kids use their parent's guns.. forcing family members of kids on prescription drugs or with mental issues to have tougher licensing or storage restrictions is going to infringe on their rights.

baddog · 12-14-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

To me 15 rounds are alot. 6 per clip. wont stop it but will slow it down.

6 rounds per clip?

OneHungLo · 12-14-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

A car or truck can be driven through a crowd. Quickly. Let's ban them too...

Of course! Because cars are mainly here to kill people. The main function of an automobile is to kill people! Yup, Gotcha. Makes sense.

bhutocracy · 12-15-2012, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

yep, you're correct as I later noticed the date and thought the OZ gun buyback program was earlier,. BUT after researching a little more I discovered that after the ban, your violent crime and home invasion robberies increased significantly. Matter of fact, the term "home invasion robbery" was not even coined until after the firearm buyback. Because it simply did not exist before the gun ban.

I recall a pretty dodgy and selective stat mining thing promoted by the pro gun lobby afterwards saying the same thing. Take it with a grain of salt if it's the same thing because it was bullshit. That said it's been many more years since and I haven't checked the raw stats so I won't argue from a position of ignorance. You could be totally right. Got an xmas party to go to right now, not going to spend the next hour or two poring over stats right now although it would be nice to know for sure. Just bear in mind that not many homes really had guns before the ban.. at all.. it's not like the US, no criminals went "cool we can do home invasions now everyone is disarmed" everyone was mostly disarmed anyways.. you'd be committing an error of cultural judgement there. Home invasions aren't something that anyone worries about at all in the slightest. Thefts and assaults yes. The only people worried about armed invasions are drug dealers and maybe some especially rich people.

We currently have an alcohol (or drug) induced violence problem. The last random act of violence we got up in arms about here was a guy that went on a "rampage" late one night in a party district and punched four different people, one of whom fell over hit their head and died. No offence but I'd much rather live in a society where we worry about spree punchers.

GrantMercury · 12-15-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

Yeah, because people who break the law will abide by a law banning guns.

Failed logic is failed.

What about banning the sale of assault rifles, or huge magazines - by the manufacturer? If the manufacturer can't sell them, fewer nuts will possess them.

They should be banned. They are weapons of war. Nobody hunts with an assault rifle. Nobody needs one to stop a home invasion. They are designed to kill people en mass - that's it. Rapid fire guns are what the psychos use in these mass killings. Outlaw the sale of them. If the gun nuts don't like it, tough shit. We have a right to live without weekly massacres.

buzzard · 12-15-2012, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

What about banning the sale of assault rifles, or huge magazines - by the manufacturer? If the manufacturer can't sell them, fewer nuts will possess them.
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Mr Pheer · 12-15-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

private citizens can not legally own a fully automatic weapon.

In many states it is perfectly legal to own a fully automatic weapon, a short barrel rifle, a silencer, or a short barrel shotgun. There is some paperwork involved and a $200 tax, but perfectly legal.

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

what is an Assault weapon?? You Do mean Full Auto right???

An assault weapon is not classified as an assault rifle. The term assault rifle confuses the fuck out of everyone is used incorrectly by the media.

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In United States politics and law, an assault weapon is a variety of semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:

a folding or telescoping stock
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
a bayonet mount
a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
a grenade launcher

Assault Weapon = semi automatic rifle with a detachable magazine, plus two of the features listed above.

The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."

I cant remember any of the public shooting in the past 10 years or so where anyone used a fully automatic rifle or machine gun. Actually I cant remember any in my lifetime. But the media uses the term assault rifle incorrectly to promote sensationalism and fear, because most people are too ignorant to know otherwise, and you can see that it works just from reading a lot of the posts in the thread.

brandonstills · 12-15-2012, 12:53 AM

The solution is obvious. Nobody ever went on a massive killing spree at a gun show and it seems like every time this occurs it is at a school. CLEARLY schools are the problem not guns. We need to ban schools.

Mr Pheer · 12-15-2012, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by brandonstills

The solution is obvious. Nobody ever went on a massive killing spree at a gun show and it seems like every time this occurs it is at a school. CLEARLY schools are the problem not guns. We need to ban schools.

Just arm everyone, problems will sort themselves out.

Nobody ever robs a gun store during business hours.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I dont think they should ban guns. I think it should be a little harder to buy assault weapons and body armor.