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Old 01-04-2013, 05:34 PM   #51
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but you pay taxes

which supports rape

so..
so.. She can't pick and choose what her taxes pay for.

Now there's an idea!
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so.. She can't pick and choose what her taxes pay for.

Now there's an idea!
seriously lol

im not speaking from any moral high ground obviously.. i pay taxes which in turn pays for 'reconstruction projects' which in turn pay for mercenaries whom in turn do whatever they want

however, i CAN choose to make a certain amount of money and pay a certain amount of taxes blah blah
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ok i realize that it was perhaps not the best thread to explain my point on view.
in fact really not the best.

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but you pay taxes

which supports rape

so..
Okay then.
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no, in fact if what is written in the link is right. Anonymous did the right thing.


http://www.ohiopa.org/Jefferson.html

http://behindtheyellowtape.me/2012/1...case-analysis/ watch the date

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seriously lol

im not speaking from any moral high ground obviously.. i pay taxes which in turn pays for 'reconstruction projects' which in turn pay for mercenaries whom in turn do whatever they want

however, i CAN choose to make a certain amount of money and pay a certain amount of taxes blah blah
I think we may be talking at cross purposes - You can't possibly mean what I thought you meant....
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I think we may be talking at cross purposes - You can't possibly mean what I thought you meant....
what did you think i mean?
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so this means death penalty for minor ?

be careful, if you try to be too severe with them, they will have nothing to lose.
Here, in my country it's illegal to disclose the name of minor offenders (because they are minors !)

I'm not sure if it's a good thing to publish their names.
Well yes, they published the photo of the girl after she raped her (with a finger, not with a dick, for me it makes a difference) so perhaps they deserve it.
But if you want to destroy their life, they could just take a gun (or a knife) and start to kill people to avenge themselves from the society.

If the victim is ready to show her image:
http://jezebel.com/5967151/teenage-g...sexual-assault
then she is probably not so destroyed/ashamed as we could think she is.
Remember, that she was unconscious, when it happened. Probably anesthetized with alcohol.

What they did, is that they destroyed her image, so i think it's a little harsh to want that they die for that.

question: is it illegal to drink alcohol when you are not 18, in the USA ?
The victim did something that she knews she shouldn't do and other minors used it to rape her, so it's not exactly the same thing as raping some woman in the street with the use of a weapon.

answer:
http://partysmart.osu.edu/ohio_laws.asp
she needed to be 21, she was 16 and she was drunk at the point to be knocked out.

I'm waiting that captain anonymous starts to hack CCTV and watches who gets raped in the streets + photos of the criminals (doxzzzz !).
Wait a moment, our avengers are against this kind of technologies...

The guys of anonymous should just continues to watch they tv series thanks to piratebay or do like what they do when they attack the mexican mafia: shit in their pants when they deal with someone else that other stupid kids...
Your logic is about 99 kinds of messed up.

First, the girl was drinking and breaking the law in doing so. That does not mean she deserves to be raped. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Second, we make fun of prison rape in many cases as a form of a warning for those who might commit a crime or as a form of justice against those who have committed a terrible crime. The saying is that eventually you reap what you sow. If you commit a terrible crime you might find yourself in prison getting raped.

In the town I grew up in there was a big case a few years back when several members of the guy's high school basketball team used a broom handle to rape two other team members while on the bus ride home from a game. This was a form of "hazing". I can assure you nobody was laughing.

It has already been proven that the girl in the link you provided is not the girl in this case, but even if it were, her going public does not mean it hasn't damaged her nor does it mean that her attackers deserve a lighter sentence. Rape often fucks people up for life and damages them to the point where having healthy, normal relationships is very difficult. It is not a crime that takes place and then is done once the act ends, it lingers and its damage can be felt for years and years and years. If someone has the courage to step forward and say they were the victim and put a face to the crime this does not mean that those who perpetrated the crime deserve a lesser sentence.

So I ask you what is the acceptable level of punishment for someone who does something to you that may very well psychologically damage you for life and if not life for many years to come?
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Okay then.
isn't that a big thing in the states?

'go to prison get raped'

and then there is funny laws where people go to jail for 10+ years for having a bag of weed

so when you say 'when has people of any merit said it;'s ok to rape men'

have you ever heard someone joke about going to jail and getting raped? perhaps been in their company?
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even the police think it's great
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what did you think i mean?
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however, i CAN choose to make a certain amount of money and pay a certain amount of taxes blah blah
It sounds like you are saying that if someone decides they do not like it they can pay less tax by 'earning less' and not supporting the government?

I must have got what you are saying wrong.

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It sounds like you are saying that if someone decides they do not like it they can pay less tax by 'earning less' and not supporting the government?

I must have got what you are saying wrong.
no that's what i said

game is up however if i ever want kids lol

i suppose there is always offshore
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no that's what i said

game is up however if i ever want kids lol

i suppose there is always offshore
Did I ever tell you that you look just like my friend Jason?....

I had a bit of a crush on him so you should be flattered.

Assuming that is you in the avatar...
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Did I ever tell you that you look just like my friend Jason?....

I had a bit of a crush on him so you should be flattered.

Assuming that is you in the avatar...
oh no, big fat and ugly

he's pretty tho, ain't he?
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Your logic is about 99 kinds of messed up.

First, the girl was drinking and breaking the law in doing so. That does not mean she deserves to be raped. Two wrongs do not make a right.

first: i made a mistake with the girl.
Then, i don't say the opposite.
In fact it's like a burglary: of course, it's illegal but if you leave your door open or if you made something that contribute to make it possible, for me it attenuates the fault because it just easier to do.

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Second, we make fun of prison rape in many cases as a form of a warning for those who might commit a crime or as a form of justice against those who have committed a terrible crime. The saying is that eventually you reap what you sow. If you commit a terrible crime you might find yourself in prison getting raped.
absolutely not, it's a way to destroy people, while people who are doing it find convenient to think it's fun.
you need a link ?
http://www.salon.com/2012/06/25/brad...ul_rape_jokes/
With women, it's usually for pleasure (there is some exceptions)

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In the town I grew up in there was a big case a few years back when several members of the guy's high school basketball team used a broom handle to rape two other team members while on the bus ride home from a game. This was a form of "hazing". I can assure you nobody was laughing.
because that story went public...


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It has already been proven that the girl in the link you provided is not the girl in this case,
yes i know, i made a mistake.

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but even if it were, her going public does not mean it hasn't damaged her nor does it mean that her attackers deserve a lighter sentence.
People tend to forget their rape, because it's hard to handle, so these one want to avoid this idea. If they become depressive, they want to avoid relationships. What is left ?
people that are not too destroyed (now)
But, when you are recognized as a raped woman you have this label... good luck.
I add that when people see that you are ok, they start to think that you could lie.

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Rape often fucks people up for life and damages them to the point where having healthy, normal relationships is very difficult.
You copied and paste what you read on the subject. I read the same thing.

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It is not a crime that takes place and then is done once the act ends, it lingers and its damage can be felt for years and years and years. If someone has the courage to step forward and say they were the victim and put a face to the crime this does not mean that those who perpetrated the crime deserve a lesser sentence.
do you realize, that you instill a kind of pressure that could suggest to a victim that her fate is to be destroyed slowly ?

Also, as i wrote before, i thought that she was in a kind of ethylic coma (i supposed that she drank too much), that they stripped her and finger her (this is what i understood). Now i'll tell you: a rape is not a kind of black magic with which you can destroy people: you have to figure out what happens. I just doubt it is the case if you are in an ethylic coma.
Again, i don't wrote that it was something to do, i wrote that it's not a same level of gravity that raping a woman in a bus (with 10 assholes who watch without doing something) with the help of a weapon.
I find that there is several level of gravity for a given crime and i found that the fact to finger a girl in an ethylic coma that she created is not exactly the same thing as raping a child with the help a weapon for example. Also, i wrote that the rapist was 16. Not 25... 16 !


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So I ask you what is the acceptable level of punishment for someone who does something to you that may very well psychologically damage you for life and if not life for many years to come?
i don't make the laws, i don't see why judges shouldn't follow them.
(i mean excepted when it makes a scandal... i'm ironic...)

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isn't that a big thing in the states?

'go to prison get raped'

and then there is funny laws where people go to jail for 10+ years for having a bag of weed

so when you say 'when has people of any merit said it;'s ok to rape men'

have you ever heard someone joke about going to jail and getting raped? perhaps been in their company?
Whilst I suppose I follow the logic, I can't really see how it is supported. So, by paying my taxes I am supporting rape. Maybe of my pocket. That would be perhaps valid if not paying taxes without ending up in jail yourself was a real option.

Obviously, I have heard those jokes. Do I think that anybody of any real disposition feels that rape of any kind is okay? Not really.
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Whilst I suppose I follow the logic, I can't really see how it is supported. So, by paying my taxes I am supporting rape. Maybe of my pocket. That would be perhaps valid if not paying taxes without ending up in jail yourself was a real option.

Obviously, I have heard those jokes. Do I think that anybody of any real disposition feels that rape of any kind is okay? Not really.
in any case

that answers your question
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The fact that we americans tolerate both prison rape and jokes and threats about prison rape is one of the signs of how sick we have become as a society.

The prison-industrial complex, and especially the drug war, has corrupted cops, courts, the media, TV and movies, and the american mind.

But using the fact that we are sick enough as a nation to joke about prison rape, as a defense and reason for shaming a girl who was drugged and raped is even sicker.

It's not easy to get the logic behind that kind of thing - but, it's common logic, and there are big sectors of the population that are going to blame the girl and say almost anything to excuse her rapists and the sherrif, the prosecutor, the coaches, and the school for covering it up.

And that also shows how sick modern society has become.
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The fact that we americans tolerate both prison rape and jokes and threats about prison rape is one of the signs of how sick we have become as a society.

The prison-industrial complex, and especially the drug war, has corrupted cops, courts, the media, TV and movies, and the american mind.

But using the fact that we are sick enough as a nation to joke about prison rape, as a defense and reason for shaming a girl who was drugged and raped is even sicker.

It's not easy to get the logic behind that kind of thing - but, it's common logic, and there are big sectors of the population that are going to blame the girl and say almost anything to excuse her rapists and the sherrif, the prosecutor, the coaches, and the school for covering it up.

And that also shows how sick modern society has become.
defense and a reason?

that's pretty sick accusation in itself is it not
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The fact that we americans tolerate both prison rape and jokes and threats about prison rape is one of the signs of how sick we have become as a society.
you know, in france too.
Here we tolerated even sometimes pedophilia


not the best link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...f_consent_laws

in 1981 when the socialists won, some people thought here that these people, above, won too... and so that it's ok to rape children

there is also this british photographer that lives in france.
oh yeah, the british:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile

oh my god, shocking * scandal * * what would think people * omg *

I know this kind of shit

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if you can speak french:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9...0.93_Mars_1979

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And that also shows how sick modern society has become.
What? Apparently you do not know that historically, even here in the good old USA, in the past, victims of rape were often considered to be the cause of the rape because of how they dressed, or acted, or what they said, or any other number of reasons that would cause a man to lose control and rape her.

If anything, modern society (again here in the USA) no longer stands for these excuses and attempts to put the blame on the perpetrators rather than the victim.

That there are still people that will blame the victim is a very sad thing indeed but it is NOT a symptom of modern society but rather a symptom of societies as a general rule.

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in the past, victims of rape were often considered to be the cause of the rape because of how they dressed, or acted, or what they said, or any other number of reasons that would cause a man to lose control and rape her.

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first there is this psychological phenomena!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis

"in the past" << when ?


There is several reasons why people could use this excuse:
- you are guilty and you try to avoid to be punished
- some people want to prevent the society to change (shorter skirts for example), so if some people think that you shouldn't wear miniskirts then they will try to rationalize what happened and use you behavior to punish you to want a different society.
- it is easier to handle: if you have no evidence of what happened, the easiest solution is to deny the problem.

- other things that involves (for example) that a family should protect their children, so if they are victims, it means they fail.
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first: i made a mistake with the girl.
Then, i don't say the opposite.
In fact it's like a burglary: of course, it's illegal but if you leave your door open or if you made something that contribute to make it possible, for me it attenuates the fault because it just easier to do.


absolutely not, it's a way to destroy people, while people who are doing it find convenient to think it's fun.
you need a link ?
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because that story went public...



yes i know, i made a mistake.


People tend to forget their rape, because it's hard to handle, so these one want to avoid this idea. If they become depressive, they want to avoid relationships. What is left ?
people that are not too destroyed (now)
But, when you are recognized as a raped woman you have this label... good luck.
I add that when people see that you are ok, they start to think that you could lie.


You copied and paste what you read on the subject. I read the same thing.


do you realize, that you instill a kind of pressure that could suggest to a victim that her fate is to be destroyed slowly ?

Also, as i wrote before, i thought that she was in a kind of ethylic coma (i supposed that she drank too much), that they stripped her and finger her (this is what i understood). Now i'll tell you: a rape is not a kind of black magic with which you can destroy people: you have to figure out what happens. I just doubt it is the case if you are in an ethylic coma.
Again, i don't wrote that it was something to do, i wrote that it's not a same level of gravity that raping a woman in a bus (with 10 assholes who watch without doing something) with the help of a weapon.
I find that there is several level of gravity for a given crime and i found that the fact to finger a girl in an ethylic coma that she created is not exactly the same thing as raping a child with the help a weapon for example. Also, i wrote that the rapist was 16. Not 25... 16 !




i don't make the laws, i don't see why judges shouldn't follow them.
(i mean excepted when it makes a scandal... i'm ironic...)
I will agree with you that there is a chance that someone who is blacked out drunk who gets raped might not have the same level of trauma as someone who is awake, aware and brutalized during the rape. However, each person reacts differently to it.

When you say that people tend to forget their rape because it is hard to handle, that is not forgetting it, that is your mind regressing it for the sake of your own well being. My mom was raped several times by her uncle when she was a little kid. She regressed it and completely forgot it until she was in her late 50's, but when she looked back on it she could see how it had affected her life. She had shitty romantic relationships with men and tended to choose guys who were broken that she thought she could fix. She also had other issues that I won't go into because it is a long story. What I am getting at is that the affects can linger and cause you issues for a very long time.

For me the bottom line is this, and maybe I misread it. You seemed to suggest that because the girl was drunk the guys shouldn't get as harsh of a punishment. Is that the case?
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For me the bottom line is this, and maybe I misread it. You seemed to suggest that because the girl was drunk the guys shouldn't get as harsh of a punishment. Is that the case?
Someone talked about pushing them to suicide...
In fact my first idea was to prevent a social lynching that could stop their further reintegration in the society, so i defended them a little bit (there is other rapes in the society), i didn't understand that the local autorities tried to hush up the story.

The only reason why the punishment shouldn't be too harsh is the fact they are minors (but i realize that at least one was 18).

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Uhhhh..Noooooo...it's not the *thread* that's the problem here...




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in fact really not the best.
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..nice attempt at backpedaling when you clearly were in 'blame the victim' mode. Sorry we're not buying it..

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Someone talked about pushing them to suicide...
In fact my first idea was to prevent a social lynching that could stop their further reintegration in the society, so i defended them a little bit (there is other rapes in the society), i didn't understand that the local autorities tried to hush up the story.

The only reason why the punishment shouldn't be too harsh is the fact they are minors (but i realize that at least one was 18).
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So the f what?

Whether I made 10 posts or 100000 doesn't change the fact that something is f'd up with your thinking on this topic!

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So the f what?

Whether I made 10 posts or 100000 doesn't change the fact that something is f'd up with your thinking on this topic!
Sorry, your ePenis is tiny - Nothing you say matters....
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..nice attempt at backpedaling when you clearly were in 'blame the victim' mode. Sorry we're not buying it..
who are you for me ?
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:36 PM   #82
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your ePenis is tiny....
well... hmm



yeah, you are right, pandora, insinuate that i'm a rapist...

no problem

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This video was shot days after the actual event - how many of these little douchebags were there and participating in the crime? The narrator, who is 18, was participating - he needs to go to jail.

So what's the status of this case? How many who were part of the rape have been charged?

Go read TheDirty.com - this is life in the suburbs and small towns of America and Canada. And it continues on past high school into the mid 20's. The number of 'friendly' gang rapes that are never reported or pursued by cops I think is staggering. When I say 'friendly', I mean the victim was part of the same social circle as the perpetrators.

I remember being a teenager and while I don't remember a rape I remember similar behavior - there are usually 1-2 real cretons/criminals who lead and the rest are just toadies easily swayed by peer pressure.
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That's quite frankly idiotic.

Sorry I don't have endless amounts of time to spew my regurgitatations about every topic on this forum and therefore don't have 100000s of posts like you guys.

I'm actually here for business purposes and have better things to do with my time. Like, run my f'ing business. i posted here cuz I was a bit alarmed about rapey mcraperson's posts.

Judging by the reaction of others who also have nothing better to do but post about meaningless topics on gfy.com, even people with "epenises" bigger than mine, think he's full of s**t.

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Well yes, they published the photo of the girl after she raped her (with a finger, not with a dick, for me it makes a difference)
Can someone please rape this guy with their fingers so I can tell him afterwards that he's probably okay since it wasn't a dick?
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That's quite frankly idiotic.

Sorry I don't have endless amounts of time to spew my regurgitatations about every topic on this forum and therefore don't have 100000s of posts like you guys.

I'm actually here for business purposes and have better things to do with my time. Like, run my f'ing business. i posted here cuz I was a bit alarmed about rapey mcraperson's posts.

Judging by the reaction of others who also have nothing better to do but post about meaningless topics on gfy.com, even people with "epenises" bigger than mine, think he's full of s**t.
I think it is idiotic as well. I was pointing out that that's the way a lot of people think on here - If your post count is under a certain amount you may as well not have an opinion.
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isn't that a big thing in the states?

'go to prison get raped'

and then there is funny laws where people go to jail for 10+ years for having a bag of weed

so when you say 'when has people of any merit said it;'s ok to rape men'

have you ever heard someone joke about going to jail and getting raped? perhaps been in their company?
I'm sure there are shitheads in every country who think rape is funny. I've never heard anyone in my social circle joke about such a thing, but then I'm choosy about the types of people I associate with.
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Can someone please rape this guy with their fingers so I can tell him afterwards that he's probably okay since it wasn't a dick?
well, i prefer with a finger than with a dick, in case of...
(aids, psychological aspect, also size...)

yes...

(but i don't write it's ok)

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well, i prefer with a finger than with a dick, in case of...
(aids, psychological aspect, also size...)
A few fingers with unclipped fingernails could do more damage than an average white guy sized penis.
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A few fingers with unclipped fingernails.
you mean... a woman ?
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This video was shot days after the actual event - how many of these little douchebags were there and participating in the crime? The narrator, who is 18, was participating - he needs to go to jail.
If you're talking about Michael Nodianos' video, I'm almost positive it happened either during or immediately after the assault. There's talk on the video of someone going to see how the girl is doing.
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