Why apple pisses me off

[AllAboutCams]

Why don't they let you buy the case for the mac mini with out the HD or Ram or CPU
for people that already have these
so im looking at the 2.6GHZ quad that comes with a 1TB HD i don't need, I want to use my own SSD, but i have to buy it with the 1TB because they don't sell the 2.6GHZ with the smaller HD
or am i missing something

[Killswitch]

Because they sell complete computers not computer parts. Go on eBay and buy a used one and swap it.

[Harmon]

[Dirty F]

Because they want to sell stuff as much as possible as expensive as possible.

[AllAboutCams]

I don't get it why is mac so much more money

[Killswitch]

Why is a Lambo more than a Ford Taurus?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

I don't get it why is mac so much more money

Things that are better cost more. Fillet steak > McDonalds.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Why don't they let you buy the case for the mac mini with out the HD or Ram or CPU
for people that already have these
so im looking at the 2.6GHZ quad that comes with a 1TB HD i don't need, I want to use my own SSD, but i have to buy it with the 1TB because they don't sell the 2.6GHZ with the smaller HD
or am i missing something

Build your own MacMini for under $400 w/o HD
http://www.tonymacx86.com/248-buildi...mini-2012.html

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

I don't get it why is mac so much more money

Because of the Apple logo on it. And because of their fancy shops.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Things that are better cost more. Fillet steak > McDonalds.

Huh? It's just a computer with normal computer parts. It's not better than another computer with those same computer parts just because of an Apple logo.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Why is a Lambo more than a Ford Taurus?

Wtf? What are you people smoking? There is nothing better about a mac. It's just a computer with hardware like any other computer with the same hardware. An Apple logo doesn't make it better in any way whatsoever.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Huh? It's just a computer with normal computer parts. It's not better than another computer with those same computer parts just because of an Apple logo.

Yes it is. That is why it is more money.

Durbrain.

Each one is sprinkled with the dried and ground up jism of Jobs. That is the real magic right there. BOOM.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Wtf? What are you people smoking? There is nothing better about a mac. It's just a computer with hardware like any other computer with the same hardware. An Apple logo doesn't make it better in any way whatsoever.

You're a genius Frank! You've discovered the secret! It's the logo!

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Dvae

You're a genius Frank! You've discovered the secret! It's the logo!

I thought this was common knowledge?

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Wtf? What are you people smoking? There is nothing better about a mac. It's just a computer with hardware like any other computer with the same hardware. An Apple logo doesn't make it better in any way whatsoever.

Franck, you know I like ya, but you're seriously mistaken at why an Apple computer costs more.

[RKLover]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Franck, you know I like ya, but you're seriously mistaken at why an Apple computer costs more.

Yep. It's not the logo. It's because crApple now has the 2nd highest profit margins of any company in the manufacturing industry. Profits are currently at 26.2% of revenues.

They have always been highly over priced, which is why they gave away over 95% of the OS market share. They even needed investment capital from Microsoft to keep from going belly up before Jobs came back.

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by RKLover

Yep. It's not the logo. It's because crApple now has the 2nd highest profit margins of any company in the manufacturing industry. Profits are currently at 26.2% of revenues.

They have always been highly over priced, which is why they gave away over 95% of the OS market share. They even needed investment capital from Microsoft to keep from going belly up before Jobs came back.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

[L-Pink]

Same reason my Heckler & Koch cost more than a Taurus.

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[candyflip]

I'm in the process of putting together a new Hackintosh build.

Newer versions of the components in the current Apple MacPro desktop, for about 1/3 the cost of what it would be buying the Apple branded stuff.

AppleCare and the GeniusBar aren't worth shit if you're more capable and know more than your average Apple store employee. Do it yourself.

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by candyflip

I'm in the process of putting together a new Hackintosh build.

Newer versions of the components in the current Apple MacPro desktop, for about 1/3 the cost of what it would be buying the Apple branded stuff.

AppleCare and the GeniusBar aren't worth shit if you're more capable and know more than your average Apple store employee. Do it yourself.

Hackintosh has come a long ways, I thought about building one, but instead I just said fuck it and bought an iMac.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Hackintosh has come a long ways, I thought about building one, but instead I just said fuck it and bought an iMac.

it's a bit ironic how your response to a mac fan is a lot different than to a mac "hater", even though both made the same claim, that macs are significantly overpriced...

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by woj

it's a bit ironic how your response to a mac fan is a lot different than to a mac "hater", even though both made the same claim, that macs are significantly overpriced...

There's a difference between a person who hates on Apple because of their price, and someone who sees no reason to pay for a Mac when they can build one themselves.

Originally Posted by Other Guy

HURRR DERRP MACS ARE OVERPRICED PIECES OF SHIT!

Originally Posted by candyflip

I like Macs, but I feel they're just out of my price range, so instead I'm gonna take the option of building a Hackintosh over an actual Mac

See the difference?

I too used to feel they were overpriced... Then I realized the price was worth it.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Why don't they let you buy the case for the mac mini with out the HD or Ram or CPU
for people that already have these
so im looking at the 2.6GHZ quad that comes with a 1TB HD i don't need, I want to use my own SSD, but i have to buy it with the 1TB because they don't sell the 2.6GHZ with the smaller HD
or am i missing something

Do this:

Buy the Mac Mini with a 1 or 2 TB Hard disk, and purchase the SSD separately. When you get home, make a boot disk out of a USB Key (google it). Install your SSD drive, boot with the USB key and then make your SSD drive the boot drive. Install your most-often used apps to the SSD/Boot drive, and use the HD for your data drive, and voiala! You will have a super, super-fast computer that boots in seconds and loads what you need in fewer seconds, for CHEAP.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Because they want to sell stuff as much as possible as expensive as possible.

Or, they want to sell complete, tested products to make the user experience as easy as possible. This gives them a great reputation and saves them on technical support costs as well.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Huh? It's just a computer with normal computer parts. It's not better than another computer with those same computer parts just because of an Apple logo.

Some (like me) would argue that sum is, and is worth more, than the parts. You may pay a little more, but you get flawless, fast machines that have none of the headaches that you get from Windows machines.

And I'm not just saying that - I was a Windows/PC Guy forever until I converted a few years ago. Zero problems.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Because of the Apple logo on it. And because of their fancy shops.

Try this:
- Go to an Apple store and ask them some questions. Look at their machines and play with them a while. Then go to Futureshop and try doing the same thing. BIG difference. Or if you like, go to one of those shitty clone shops at one of those import shops that sell fake everything and see if you really want to buy from them.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Wtf? What are you people smoking? There is nothing better about a mac. It's just a computer with hardware like any other computer with the same hardware. An Apple logo doesn't make it better in any way whatsoever.

So in that case just keep using whatever computer you are using now and be happy with it. If you haven't worked with both, you are unqualified to offer advice on the subject.

Originally Posted by Dvae

You're a genius Frank! You've discovered the secret! It's the logo!

I too am blown away.

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Hackintosh has come a long ways, I thought about building one, but instead I just said fuck it and bought an iMac.

I've thought about doing this too. It's been a long time since I've built anything. I used to be a real DYI'er.... I may buy a PC in parts and built it myself just for the fun of it too.

Originally Posted by Killswitch

There's a difference between a person who hates on Apple because of their price, and someone who sees no reason to pay for a Mac when they can build one themselves.





See the difference?

I too used to feel they were overpriced... Then I realized the price was worth it.

:thum bsup

Finally...!

The only extra I would add is this : I don't feel they are overpriced at all. We have 5 Macs at our company as well as some PC's, and whenever it comes time to buy any Macs or other Apple products, the prices to me always seem dead-on. The price for everything (except maybe certain cables) is always worth it. to me.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

I don't get it why is mac so much more money

It's been my experience that they are better computers, with fewer problems, and excellent customer support when problems come up.

I am NOT a "fanboy" by any means. Anyone who is defined by what computers/gadgets they buy is extremely sad.

That said, I don't know if they're quite worth the BIG price premium.

Also, Apple has a history of fucking over customers by radically changing their products and leaving people with incompatible shit (G5 to Intel, Final Cut X, etc.). They're as arrogant as any other transnational. I'll always consider other options.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Why don't they let you buy the case for the mac mini with out the HD or Ram or CPU
for people that already have these
so im looking at the 2.6GHZ quad that comes with a 1TB HD i don't need, I want to use my own SSD, but i have to buy it with the 1TB because they don't sell the 2.6GHZ with the smaller HD
or am i missing something

The same reason Samsung don't sell TV's without the tuner, flat panel or video processor.

A barebones system such as the shuttle or similar that's similarly configured will cost you around $400, then add operating system, CPU, RAM, Video Card, Hard Disk and you've come up to around $800 for the system.

A Mac Mini comes in at $150 below that, so what's the problem ? Just get the Mac Mini, make a boot USB thumb drive, add the SSD as your boot drive then install Mac OS on it, store data on the 1TB drive and then you have a super quick booting Mac with 1TB of storage.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by Dvae

Build your own MacMini for under $400 w/o HD
http://www.tonymacx86.com/248-buildi...mini-2012.html

Thanks i was looking for something like that

[tony286]

Originally Posted by GrantMercury

It's been my experience that they are better computers, with fewer problems, and excellent customer support when problems come up.

I am NOT a "fanboy" by any means. Anyone who is defined by what computers/gadgets they buy is extremely sad.

That said, I don't know if they're quite worth the BIG price premium.

Also, Apple has a history of fucking over customers by radically changing their products and leaving people with incompatible shit (G5 to Intel, Final Cut X, etc.). They're as arrogant as any other transnational. I'll always consider other options.

They are nice looking but not worth the price to me. I have a gateway laptop never gave me a day of problems. Its old now and sits in a drawer. It would fire up with no problem. I have two acer laptops never had a problem.
I would say in the 12 computers I have owned the only dog was a sony laptop years ago.

[AllAboutCams]

I had a play last night with a 2010 2.6 8gb ssd and its quick im definitely interested and going in to apple on Monday to try the latest one

[Killswitch]

Love how peoples first reaction is how expensive a Mac is, all while they pay the biggest price for an OS upgrade than any other OS on the market.

Can't pay an extra $200 for a quality computer, but sure as fuck don't mind paying $400+ for hardware upgrades on top of a $150 OS upgrade from Microsoft.

$29.95 OS upgrade + no hardware upgrades needed for at least 3 major OS iterations, but hey, Macs are too expensive for you guys!

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Love how peoples first reaction is how expensive a Mac is, all while they pay the biggest price for an OS upgrade than any other OS on the market.

Can't pay an extra $200 for a quality computer, but sure as fuck don't mind paying $400+ for hardware upgrades on top of a $150 OS upgrade from Microsoft.

$29.95 OS upgrade + no hardware upgrades needed for at least 3 major OS iterations, but hey, Macs are too expensive for you guys!

Im coming around

[mineistaken]

Because their target audience is a sheep who can not do anything himself, "it just works".

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

I don't get it why is mac so much more money

in a book about apple (or steve jobs) it was said that for example dell is putting 50$ profit margin on its computers and apple is putting 500$. So here you go. You pay for the logo and all the brainwash campaigns.

[Killswitch]

[Mr Pheer]

I got so irritated with my 2.5GHz i7 17" Macbook Pro that I sold it on Ebay yesterday for $2175.

I'm glad that Apple stopped making the 17" right after I bought mine, allowing it to hold its value so that I took a minimal loss on it.

Still like my iPhone and iPad, but I'm done with Apple computers.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Because their target audience is a sheep who can not do anything himself, "it just works".

this really does sum it up well

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Things that are better cost more. Fillet steak > McDonalds.

Exactly, a Mac should be 10 bucks tops

[CurrentlySober]

My observation, is that people who say Macs cost to much, simply want one, but cant afford one.

If they DIDNT want one, and COULD afford one, these posts wouldn't happen...

No disrespect to those who cant afford them - But for those of us who can, (or have saved up) Stop saying we are stupid!

Its a free world

[Kolargol]

I have a 5 year old PC (which I use all the time) and a 2 year old Mac (which I use no more than 5-6 hours/week) and Mac is the one that freezes occasionally even though there is probably around 100 programs installed on my PC and I installed maybe 2-3 programs on Mac.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

My observation, is that people who say Macs cost to much, simply want one, but cant afford one.

If they DIDNT want one, and COULD afford one, these posts wouldn't happen...

No disrespect to those who cant afford them - But for those of us who can, (or have saved up) Stop saying we are stupid!

Its a free world

Lol,you are completely wrong on that one.Why i would paying 3x more for computer which have same hardware configuration and much worse operating system?
It's a common sense,not can you afford something.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

My observation, is that people who say Macs cost to much, simply want one, but cant afford one.

If they DIDNT want one, and COULD afford one, these posts wouldn't happen...

No disrespect to those who cant afford them - But for those of us who can, (or have saved up) Stop saying we are stupid!

Its a free world

I guess ill be the first to admit it if i had a lot of cash i would go mac but to upgrade my pc i have now

Intel Core i7 3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz 8MB Retail Box $333.00
Intel DZ77SL-50K LGA1155 ATX Motherboard $139.00
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium OEM 64Bit $99.00
G.Skill 16GB Kit (2x8GB) DDR3 Ripjaws X C10 1600MHz $109.00
total $680

but a basic mac mini is $699
2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5
4GB memory
500GB hard drive1
Intel HD Graphics 4000
OS X Mountain Lion

it just seems like im paying more for less spec

I will see on Monday any way

[pimpmaster9000]

the top of the line mac pro goes for 3800$

the normal one goes for 2500$

you get stuff like intel processors and ATI graphic cards...shit that is not to be had on the PC ...

its the magic of advertising...crapple basically stole ideas left and right, outsourced them to a china sweat shop, overpriced the fuck out of their products, sued everybody else who tried to copy what they copied, backstabbed their loyal users with frequent "new and improved" models like the Iphone5 joke LOL...and the apple fans STILL will not admit that they are in fact very very prone to marketing

[woj]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the top of the line mac pro goes for 3800$ :

their best high-end $3800 model has the Xeon E5645 Processor and ATI Radeon HD 5770 video card (source)

that CPU was released 1st quarter of 2010 (source) and the graphics card was released 4th quarter of 2009 (source)

That's some cutting edge, 3 year old hardware, it's ridiculous that any company can call outdated crap like that "Pro"

[Sly]

The arguments for Macs usually go something like this:
You just don't understand
Better support
Better hardware
Worth the money

Well, you're right, I don't understand. I can agree with better support. I cannot agree with better hardware. And I cannot agree with worth the money because there is no way that better support is worth that much of a price increase to me.

I don't have a problem with Macs really, you guys just need to come up with better arguments or be willing to admit that you don't mind paying more money for a sexy machine, with better support.

In August I spent $2,500 on the following (no monitor):
i7-3960X CPU @ 3.30ghz
10 GB RAM
2 TB HD

I added the following two pieces of hardware, these are included in the price above.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00

What would a comparable Mac have run me?

And for the record, I spent about $8,000 on computer hardware last year, so I can afford a Mac just fine. I have had no problems either.

[acctman]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Why don't they let you buy the case for the mac mini with out the HD or Ram or CPU
for people that already have these
so im looking at the 2.6GHZ quad that comes with a 1TB HD i don't need, I want to use my own SSD, but i have to buy it with the 1TB because they don't sell the 2.6GHZ with the smaller HD
or am i missing something

buy a used one off of ebay. by the way HP, IBM, Toshiba, etc don't sell cases.

[acctman]

Originally Posted by Sly

The arguments for Macs usually go something like this:
You just don't understand
Better support
Better hardware
Worth the money

Well, you're right, I don't understand. I can agree with better support. I cannot agree with better hardware. And I cannot agree with worth the money because there is no way that better support is worth that much of a price increase to me.

I don't have a problem with Macs really, you guys just need to come up with better arguments or be willing to admit that you don't mind paying more money for a sexy machine, with better support.

In August I spent $2,500 on the following (no monitor):
i7-3960X CPU @ 3.30ghz
10 GB RAM
2 TB HD

I added the following two pieces of hardware, these are included in the price above.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00

What would a comparable Mac have run me?

And for the record, I spent about $8,000 on computer hardware last year, so I can afford a Mac just fine. I have had no problems either.

but that's with any computer system. it's always cheaper to get the ram and harddrive yourself. I always get the bare minimum for a system then upgrade it myself.

[Killswitch]

[pimpmaster9000]

cant wait for crapple tv to come out this year

based on other apple products i expect apple tv to be just like regular tv, only crippled and outdated, and then horribly overpriced and overhyped...

BUT they will add a glowing apple logo

[Sly]

Originally Posted by acctman

but that's with any computer system. it's always cheaper to get the ram and harddrive yourself. I always get the bare minimum for a system then upgrade it myself.

Sure. Okay, that stock computer that I bought (which was upgraded from the manufacturer) was $1,800. I put another $500 or so into it. So take the original specs and tell me what that would cost with Apple.

[woj]

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