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Old 02-21-2003, 08:55 AM   #1
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Why does so much shit happen in the USA?

Everytime I turn on CNN some crazy shit is going down in the States..
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Have you seen the US on a map? It's pretty big. You have that many hundreds of thousands of square miles, and over 300 million people, and a lot can happen.
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Things happen elsewhere.

I just found out there are hundreds of people dying in Africa, EACH HOUR!

I never realized anyone died anywhere else. I thought it was just the US.
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Oh come on lots of shit happens everywhere all the time, right now the focus is on the US and you are buying into the anti-american propaganda designed to stop the war with Iraq...
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Have you seen the US on a map? It's pretty big. You have that many hundreds of thousands of square miles, and over 300 million people, and a lot can happen.
China has the biggest population on earth but you won't hear about serial killers, psychos etc. all so much, they don't get factories get blown up everyday maybe cos their insurance companies are tight watts/or they don't even have insurance. I think U.S. is only suffering from post industrialization syndrome
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It's the only new you are exposed to for propaganda reasons, and yeah... Anyways..

There are also going to be 20,000,000 people guaranteed dead in 18 months time if there is no food aid given to a few countries in a famine. But hey, no one cares about that.. Must spend $300 billion dollars on war...... *sigh*

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They have CNN plus the can't hide what's going on.

In India there's a train accident about everyday.
In China there explodes a firework factory about every week. filled with 12 year old kids making fireworks.
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The US is media crazy. We have more media sources than any other country. When something happens here, the world hears about it. No matter how much people from other coutries claim to hate the US, they can not stop fixating on what goes on here. We're that big country the planet loves to hate.
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The US is addicted to 24 hour news. Having so many news channels means that they're constantly hunting down stories. The more horrifying, the better.
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It's the only new you are exposed to for propaganda reasons, and yeah... Anyways..

There are also going to be 20,000,000 people guaranteed dead in 18 months time if there is no food aid given to a few countries in a famine. But hey, no one cares about that.. Must spend $300 billion dollars on war...... *sigh*

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Gimme a break with the famine people. They've been living like that since I can remember. When the fuck will they wake up and realize you can't have anything but famine in the dumb ass near desert where these people live. Pick up and move to somewhere with better land and opportunities and start using rubbers for god's sake.
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China has the biggest population on earth but you won't hear about serial killers, psychos etc. all so much, they don't get factories get blown up everyday maybe cos their insurance companies are tight watts/or they don't even have insurance. I think U.S. is only suffering from post industrialization syndrome
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Since US is pretty big you can get good news 24 hours a day...sure people are dying in africa, but how interesting is that? Media's goal is not to report news but to make money and starvning babies in africa does not equal to $$$.
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Gimme a break with the famine people. They've been living like that since I can remember. When the fuck will they wake up and realize you can't have anything but famine in the dumb ass near desert where these people live. Pick up and move to somewhere with better land and opportunities and start using rubbers for god's sake.
Nice! I love ignorance!! If you knew anything about it - The arid land is the problem yes, but the biggest problem is that EVERYONE DOES MOVE to a new area, but then that area can't sustain them all, so it gets used up, and then they have to move again. Money is needed for groundroots education. Maybe do yourself a favour and look up famine on Google.

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China has the biggest population on earth but you won't hear about serial killers, psychos etc. all so much, they don't get factories get blown up everyday maybe cos their insurance companies are tight watts/or they don't even have insurance. I think U.S. is only suffering from post industrialization syndrome
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Yep. China is safer. Far safer. Who wouldn't want to live in China?
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Everytime I turn on CNN some crazy shit is going down in the States..
The answer to that question can be found in Michael Moore's new movie:

"Bowling for Columbine"
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Nice! I love ignorance!! If you knew anything about it - The arid land is the problem yes, but the biggest problem is that EVERYONE DOES MOVE to a new area, but then that area can't sustain them all, so it gets used up, and then they have to move again. Money is needed for groundroots education. Maybe do yourself a favour and look up famine on Google.

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You love ignorance? good because it suits your comments perfectly.
Money is needed? No, money is not needed. Money allows them to barely stay alive, reproduce, and as you say, "MOVE to a new area, but then that area can't sustain them all, so it gets used up, and then they have to move again"
Stop spending money on them, let them die off once, and you want have to watch them die off every couple of years for ever.
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For anyone wondering why there's so much murder in the States (not just gun related) go watch Bowling for Columbine. Might amaze you at the different mentalities..

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You love ignorance? good because it suits your comments perfectly.
Money is needed? No, money is not needed. Money allows them to barely stay alive, reproduce, and as you say, "MOVE to a new area, but then that area can't sustain them all, so it gets used up, and then they have to move again"
Stop spending money on them, let them die off once, and you want have to watch them die off every couple of years for ever.
Money is needed to educate them.

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You love ignorance? good because it suits your comments perfectly.
Money is needed? No, money is not needed. Money allows them to barely stay alive, reproduce, and as you say, "MOVE to a new area, but then that area can't sustain them all, so it gets used up, and then they have to move again"
Stop spending money on them, let them die off once, and you want have to watch them die off every couple of years for ever.
Sad but true. I love the way 12 Clicks puts it! Hahaha

The truth is why should we care. Really? These people come from cultures that are as old as human recorded history. They have had centuries more time than we have to perfect their society. They have brains. They know how to reproduce obviously, yet after centuries of having the same problem they can't figure out how to take care of themselves?

I don't care what kind of bleeding heart liberal you are you have to see the idiocy of this.

So after looking at the facts why should we help them? We have our own problems to fix with the same money. I agree that the money spent on war instead of humanitarian issues is stupid but it still shouldn't be spent on a people that have had ample opportunity to fix a very fixable problem given the time they had. If they are going to die off so be it. Human evolution in action.
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China has the biggest population on earth but you won't hear about serial killers, psychos etc. all so much, they don't get factories get blown up everyday maybe cos their insurance companies are tight watts/or they don't even have insurance. I think U.S. is only suffering from post industrialization syndrome
That's just retarded... you don't hear about what goes on in China because it has a totalitarian government that controls what little media there is. And even if stories get out, no one really cares, so its not popularized.

Everyone hears about what goes on in the US because we dominate world culture, opinion and policy. Our culture is the culture of the winner. We take the good, the desirable and the wanted, hotglue some glitter and ribbon on it, and sell it back to the rest of the world. And you filthy foreigners stand in line to lick it up, moaning about the horror of it all, but licking it up just the same.
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There are also going to be 20,000,000 people guaranteed dead in 18 months time if there is no food aid given to a few countries in a famine. But hey, no one cares about that.. Must spend $300 billion dollars on war...... *sigh*

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The thing is though that there's 192 countries in the world, why does everyone always look to the US to help out. We give out MORE than enough money, doing our share to help out starving people in the world. If all of the other countries in the world were as generous as the US, we'd pay to solve all of the worlds problems.
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Sad but true. I love the way 12 Clicks puts it! Hahaha

The truth is why should we care. Really? These people come from cultures that are as old as human recorded history. They have had centuries more time than we have to perfect their society. They have brains. They know how to reproduce obviously, yet after centuries of having the same problem they can't figure out how to take care of themselves?

I don't care what kind of bleeding heart liberal you are you have to see the idiocy of this.

So after looking at the facts why should we help them? We have our own problems to fix with the same money. I agree that the money spent on war instead of humanitarian issues is stupid but it still shouldn't be spent on a people that have had ample opportunity to fix a very fixable problem given the time they had. If they are going to die off so be it. Human evolution in action.
You help lots of countries yes, you give lots of countries weapons, and money to build weapons. Great - and then you have the opposition who terrorize your country, and you wonder why..

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The thing is though that there's 192 countries in the world, why does everyone always look to the US to help out. We give out MORE than enough money, doing our share to help out starving people in the world. If all of the other countries in the world were as generous as the US, we'd pay to solve all of the worlds problems.
Everyone isn't looking for the US for help - Everyone is looking for everyone's help. Every country gives out money, yes, including the US.. And I think that's very arrogant and an egotistical view "If all of the other countries in the world were as generas as the US, we'd pay to solve all of the worlds problems." ... Do some research... The US gave something like 10% of the amount that Canada a few years ago, if you base the values off of the size of the nations.

(I'm not sure on the accuracy of these numbers,..) Eg: We had 30 million people 2 years ago, you had roughly 300 million. We gave $20 million, the US gave $30 million... Good for you! Yes, I realize any amount helps.

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I think the key word there is DIFFERENT.

Why people keep referencing this movie to attempt at bashing Americans is beyond me. You people talk about American government propaganda, blah blah blah, and then you continuously reference a movie that sought after gun fanatics instead of the general population.
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(I'm not sure on the accuracy of these numbers,..) Eg: We had 30 million people 2 years ago, you had roughly 300 million. We gave $20 million, the US gave $30 million... Good for you! Yes, I realize any amount helps.

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Where the hell did you dig those numbers up from ??? The US is CONSTANTLY giving out MILLIONS of dollars left and right. I'm sure that we gave out more than $30 million in a years time.

Fuck, the US can't even borrow money to contries without being generous about it. I think that it was South Africa that we LOANED 10 million dollars to, then came back and said "Don't worry about it". I wish that they'd loan that money to me, ha ha ha.

As far as my comments go, I wasn't saying that we're the only country that helps out others, BUT we're one of the biggest while there are some countries that don't give what they could.

PLUS, people don't realize all of the millions of dollars we spend having our forces all over the world, do you see Canadian troops stationed all around like the US's troops ??? How many Canadian troops are in Iraq right now ??? I'm sure that there's a hell of a lot more US troops there. I think that it's charity when we're putting our lives and money on the line.
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some of the comments about "just let them die" is fucking sick, and "why don't they just move" is ignorant as shit, these are people who might have to walk 40 miles for water, they haven't got money to jump on a plane. most of these famines are caused by drought, corrupt dictators or war, and is no fault of the people that are dying, and their ignorance is only through lack of education again through lack of money. If all us western countries stopped propping up their corrupt dicators and selling them arms, maybe they would be able to support themselves.

the amount spent by developed countries on aid is relatively tiny but saves millions of lives. if our countries stopped spending on aid none of you would notice the SLIGHTEST difference to your wage packet at the end of the week. and yet this prevents millions of innoncent children dying. it's called humanity.
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China has the biggest population on earth but you won't hear about serial killers, psychos etc. all so much, they don't get factories get blown up everyday maybe cos their insurance companies are tight watts/or they don't even have insurance. I think U.S. is only suffering from post industrialization syndrome
China does not have a free press so of course you won't hear about certain events.
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the amount spent by developed countries on aid is relatively tiny but saves millions of lives.
Yes, save them to die another day. they still die. save the money.

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if our countries stopped spending on aid none of you would notice the SLIGHTEST difference to your wage packet at the end of the week. and yet this prevents millions of innoncent children dying.
No it doesn't. it just lengthens the amount of time innocent children spend dying.
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Maybe the USA just has way more journalists available to cover stories. Maybe shit happens everywhere, we just hear about the USA's incidents way more due to more journalists.

Or maybe we're more fucked up.
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wow, you get your info from movies but make fun of others for getting their info from american news organizations. too funny.

here in america, movies are made for entertainment, not for news or facts.

have you seen "mars attacks"?
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This country is almost 40 square miles. That's big enough for a lot to happen.
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Yes, save them to die another day. they still die. save the money.
we're all gonna die, but chances are our deaths aren't preventable, there deaths are preventable - For the sake of a tiny amount of money. We're all fortunate to live in rich countries, and with that good fortune should come some social responsibilty, not a lot, but enough to make a difference and help them to be self sufficient and at least survive, or that's the way it should be.

But then that's just my opinion.
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That's just retarded... you don't hear about what goes on in China because it has a totalitarian government that controls what little media there is. And even if stories get out, no one really cares, so its not popularized.
Help me! I'm retarded

Have you been to China? I have. Yeah the news do not hit the International medias from there but they do locally. Yes kids there are burning hands and all making fireworks and buncha other small stuffs, nothing big like 100 million dollars damages.. say why cos they mostly don't have factories that worth 100 million and if they do they couldn't afford to get it burnt.. would have a heck to get insurance companies to cough up that money if they ever do. Train accidents? Hell people ride trains there like monkies.. hanging from the rails, sitting on the roof so it'd be quite abnormal they didn't have accidents.. yet and yet there ain't no too many psycho killer stories, ain't too many make-it-look-like-accident stories. I believe that comes from the side effects of industrialization and wealth.
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some of the comments about "just let them die" is fucking sick, and "why don't they just move" is ignorant as shit, these are people who might have to walk 40 miles for water, they haven't got money to jump on a plane. most of these famines are caused by drought, corrupt dictators or war, and is no fault of the people that are dying, and their ignorance is only through lack of education again through lack of money. If all us western countries stopped propping up their corrupt dicators and selling them arms, maybe they would be able to support themselves.

the amount spent by developed countries on aid is relatively tiny but saves millions of lives. if our countries stopped spending on aid none of you would notice the SLIGHTEST difference to your wage packet at the end of the week. and yet this prevents millions of innoncent children dying. it's called humanity.
man why dont we just let them die?
or even better why dont they just move?
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If all us western countries stopped propping up their corrupt dicators and selling them arms, maybe they would be able to support themselves.
We're trying to unprop a corrupt, brutal dictator but people keep yelling us that it's not the right thing to do.

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We're trying to unprop a corrupt, brutal dictator but people keep yelling us that it's not the right thing to do.

I was just thinking the same thing. Ahaha.

Reading the opinions of foreign citizens just makes me realize how much I really don't care about their opinions of the US. They all expect something different from the US, and damn us if we don't do it the exact way they want it. It's like biting the hand that feeds you. I hope some day we finally realize that our hand is getting sore.

Bitch about foreign dictators preventing their people from eating and becoming educated. And then bitch because the US has no right to interfere with other countries internal affairs. Make up your fucking mind people.
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man why dont we just let them die?
or even better why dont they just move?
what are you an echo or something?


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We're trying to unprop a corrupt, brutal dictator but people keep yelling us that it's not the right thing to do.
that's true, although there's much more deserving cases than that around, but i suppose they don't have oil
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I was just thinking the same thing. Ahaha.

Reading the opinions of foreign citizens just makes me realize how much I really don't care about their opinions of the US. They all expect something different from the US, and damn us if we don't do it the exact way they want it. It's like biting the hand that feeds you. I hope some day we finally realize that our hand is getting sore.

Bitch about foreign dictators preventing their people from eating and becoming educated. And then bitch because the US has no right to interfere with other countries internal affairs. Make up your fucking mind people.
My friend posted something about that once a couple of years ago on another board. I'll dig it up.
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I know some people will find something to bitch about this. But here's what he posted. And it's true. ;) No matter what we do, people find a reason to bitch.

I am an American.

When I intervene to save a nation, I am imperialistic. When I do not, I?m an isolationist.

When I work, I am a capitalist. When I do not, I am lazy.

When I eat, I am fat. When I diet, I am shallow.

When I donate money to a foreign country, I am acting out of self-interest. When I do not, I am selfish.

When I become rich, I am bourgeois. When I do not, I am a failure.

When I defend myself, I am a bully. When I do not, I am a coward.

When I am educated, I am an elitist. When I am not educated, I am an idiot.

When I pray for peace through war, I am warlike. When I pray for peace through diplomacy, I am weak.

When I believe in America, I am a jingoist. When I do not, I am self-serving.

When others resent me, it is because I am American. When I resent others, it is because I am misinformed.

When I offer to feed a nation, but nothing else, I am ruining them. When I trade with them openly, I am arming them.

When I buy oil, I oppress a people. When I do not, I impoverish a people.

When I make a mistake, the world notes it. When I do not, the world belittles it.

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that's true, although there's much more deserving cases than that around, but i suppose they don't have oil
FATPad, I think this statement here proves my point.
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that's true, although there's much more deserving cases than that around, but i suppose they don't have oil
See?

Can't make anyone happy. ;)

If we take out the poor countries' dictators it's because we want to control them and make them our puppets.

If we take out the rich ones, it's because we want their goodies.

If we took out none of them, people would say we were so rich and stuck on ourselves we didn't care about the rest of the world.

If the rest of the world would make up it's mind, that would help.
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FATPad, I think this statement here proves my point.
haha. Yep.

Like you, I'm starting to not care at all what the rest of the world thinks. They bitch and complain no matter what we do.
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I know some people will find something to bitch about this. But here's what he posted. And it's true. ;) No matter what we do, people find a reason to bitch.

I am an American.

When I intervene to save a nation, I am imperialistic. When I do not, I?m an isolationist.

When I work, I am a capitalist. When I do not, I am lazy.

When I eat, I am fat. When I diet, I am shallow.

When I donate money to a foreign country, I am acting out of self-interest. When I do not, I am selfish.

When I become rich, I am bourgeois. When I do not, I am a failure.

When I defend myself, I am a bully. When I do not, I am a coward.

When I am educated, I am an elitist. When I am not educated, I am an idiot.

When I pray for peace through war, I am warlike. When I pray for peace through diplomacy, I am weak.

When I believe in America, I am a jingoist. When I do not, I am self-serving.

When others resent me, it is because I am American. When I resent others, it is because I am misinformed.

When I offer to feed a nation, but nothing else, I am ruining them. When I trade with them openly, I am arming them.

When I buy oil, I oppress a people. When I do not, I impoverish a people.

When I make a mistake, the world notes it. When I do not, the world belittles it.

When I am proud, I am arrogant. When I am not, I am pathetic.
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FATPad, I think this statement here proves my point.
you really cannot be serious if you think that we're going to war because he's an evil dictator, and to save his people. btw i'm from the uk so you don't feed me. as it happens i'm for the war in iraq, it'll solve a lot of problems, it might have been better to offer to let him go into exile to save innocent people getting killed, but either way he's gotta go.

do you think we would have gone to war in the first gulf war if kuwait didn't have oil, a country that small and insignificant?

i don't bitch about developed nations sticking there noses into other countries business where it's needed, in fact what i'm saying is the world should get together and apply pressure on those sort of dictators.
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