ROFL fucking Socialists!

[Fat Panda]

go figure every single Member of Congress from Oklahoma is a Republican who VOTED AGAINST disaster aid for other parts of the country. now the SOCIALIST LEECHES are begging the Fed Govt for BILLIONS.

I say FUCK THESE WORTHLESS SOCIALISTS, you vote against aid for others you shouldn't RECEIVE SHIT!

and another thing, FUCK SOCIALIST Red State LEECHES!

[crockett]

Most Red states are welfare states anyway.. Texas being one of the only Red states that doesn't get back more federal money than they pay. Blue states are usually always paying the way for the Conservative red states.

I'd love to see the day that Conservative got their way and everyone had to pay for themselves, right down to each state. Blue states like Cali & most of the north eastern states would be well ahead of the game at that point.

[Fat Panda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Most Red states are welfare states anyway.. Texas being one of the only Red states that don't get back more federal money than they pay. Blue states are usually always paying the way for the Conservative red states.

I'd love to see the day that Conservative got their way and everyone had to pay for themselves, right down to each state.

Right on! I'm sick and tired of these worthless radical right wing socialist freeloading parasites!

[mafia_man]

[baggg]

Tornados should be illegal

[arock10]

Originally Posted by baggg

Tornados should be illegal

sorry they are right under the bill of tornado rights even though they are dangerous and barely regulated

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Most Red states are welfare states anyway.. Texas being one of the only Red states that doesn't get back more federal money than they pay. Blue states are usually always paying the way for the Conservative red states.

I just looked that up. Since 2000:

Strongly Democrat States: 12.2 TRILLION dollars in federal money
Mostly Democrat States: 579 Billion dollars in federal money

50/50: 4.78 Trillion dollars in federal money

Mostly GOP States: 5.8 Trillion dollars in federal money
Strong GOP States: 5.6 Trillion dollars in federal money

Looks to me like you are spreading a false "fact" that isn't anywhere close to the truth. Stop watching MSNBC all the time.

Also realize that the amount of money that any state gets has not a goddamn thing to do with whether they are "Republican" or "Democrat". It is all tied in to how much money a particular state's crooked politicians in Congress can funnel back to their cronies at home.

[arock10]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-charts-maps

"Red states were more likely to get a bigger cut of federal spending. Of the 22 states that went to McCain in 2008, 86 percent received more federal spending than they paid in taxes in 2010. In contrast, 55 percent of the states that went to Obama received more federal spending than they paid in taxes. Republican states, on average, received $1.46 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid; Democratic states, on average, received $1.16."

plus the daily show did a bit on it at the republican convention

[Fat Panda]

FUCK red state FREELOADERS!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I just looked that up. Since 2000:

Strongly Democrat States: 12.2 TRILLION dollars in federal money
Mostly Democrat States: 579 Billion dollars in federal money

50/50: 4.78 Trillion dollars in federal money

Mostly GOP States: 5.8 Trillion dollars in federal money
Strong GOP States: 5.6 Trillion dollars in federal money

Looks to me like you are spreading a false "fact" that isn't anywhere close to the truth. Stop watching MSNBC all the time.

Also realize that the amount of money that any state gets has not a goddamn thing to do with whether they are "Republican" or "Democrat". It is all tied in to how much money a particular state's crooked politicians in Congress can funnel back to their cronies at home.

Seriously it's not that hard to find the info and it's been well documented for quite some time..

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-charts-maps

States receiving the most federal funding per tax dollar paid:
1. New Mexico: $2.63
2. West Virginia: $2.57
3. Mississippi: $2.47
4. District of Colombia: $2.41
5. Hawaii: $2.38
6. Alabama: $2.03
7. Alaska: $1.93
8. Montana: $1.92
9. South Carolina: $1.92
10. Maine: $1.78

Red states were more likely to get a bigger cut of federal spending. Of the 22 states that went to McCain in 2008, 86 percent received more federal spending than they paid in taxes in 2010. In contrast, 55 percent of the states that went to Obama received more federal spending than they paid in taxes. Republican states, on average, received $1.46 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid; Democratic states, on average, received $1.16.

The only state that was Red that is not a welfare state is Texas..

edit.. looks like the last time around Arkansas and Nebraska joined the club of non welfare state.. Prior to this, it was only Texas & FL whom were Red states that paid their own way. FL went blue so the last election it's not counted as red but also got more federal money this time around, most likely due to the oil spill in the Gulf.

Also don't be a dumb-ass.. Populated states get more money than non populated states, because they pay more than un-populated states. Most Blue states are more populated than most Red states. It matter only if the state is paying "it's own way" which almost no Red state is doing..

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Seriously it's not that hard to find the info and it's been well documented for quite some time..

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-charts-maps

States receiving the most federal funding per tax dollar paid:
1. New Mexico: $2.63
2. West Virginia: $2.57
3. Mississippi: $2.47
4. District of Colombia: $2.41
5. Hawaii: $2.38
6. Alabama: $2.03
7. Alaska: $1.93
8. Montana: $1.92
9. South Carolina: $1.92
10. Maine: $1.78

Also don't be a dumb-ass..

Mother Jones website? Seriously?

How about you not being a dumb-ass.

As I told you..."Blue" states get more federal money. But it has NOTHING to do with them being Democrats.
It's simply the states with the Congressmen and Senators with the ability to funnel back the most money.

You really should take your political blinders off. You're being used by politicians in a make-believe game of "Republicans VS Democrats".
It's no more real than "Ric Flair VS Hulk Hogan"

And I showed you the REAL stats. The ones you are showing are ridiculous. New Mexico? Really? New Mexico only has a total of 2 million people. More people live here in Las Vegas.
And a lot of the people living in New Mexico are NATIVE AMERICANS.

And most of the "federal money" spent there is at Roswell.

You are so uninformed that it's almost comical. Stop reading biased websites for your info and get out in the world.

I've been in New Mexico many times. Beautiful EMPTY state. And some very cool tourist trap Indian Reservation setups. Complete with tee-pees and buffaloes and native americans in full dress.

Maybe you should get out of the house every once in a while?

Those elite writers at Mother Jones have never been outside the Washington Beltway and don't have a clue about the real America.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I just looked that up. Since 2000:

Strongly Democrat States: 12.2 TRILLION dollars in federal money
Mostly Democrat States: 579 Billion dollars in federal money

50/50: 4.78 Trillion dollars in federal money

Mostly GOP States: 5.8 Trillion dollars in federal money
Strong GOP States: 5.6 Trillion dollars in federal money

Looks to me like you are spreading a false "fact" that isn't anywhere close to the truth. Stop watching MSNBC all the time.

Also realize that the amount of money that any state gets has not a goddamn thing to do with whether they are "Republican" or "Democrat". It is all tied in to how much money a particular state's crooked politicians in Congress can funnel back to their cronies at home.

And you got yours from The blaze lol

[Fat Panda]

Robbie open your eyes! RED STATE parasites are the biggest FREELOADERS in Amerika!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by tony286

And you got yours from The blaze lol

Those stats took me 10 seconds to google up. And they are 100% FACT.

Show me that they are wrong. You can't.

That b.s. from Mother Jones...saying that New Mexico is a problem? That's just twisting stats.

They only have 2 million people. Mostly Native American and hispanics. And Mother Jones says they are a big "welfare state" getting 2.63 dollars for every dollar that their citizens pay in taxes.

So New Mexico...the giant horrible welfare state gets a total of 5.26 million dollars a year from the federal govt.


Yeah, carry on with that stupid political bullshit.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by SAC

radical right wing socialist

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by SAC

Robbie open your eyes! RED STATE parasites are the biggest FREELOADERS in Amerika!

Open YOUR eyes.

I just showed you the real stats. There are no "freeloaders".

Federal money isn't going back to states to help the poor people who live in them.

It is money being funneled back to defense contractors and other cronies of crooked Congressmen and Senators.

You guys are blinded and the perfect people for the govt. to continue milking like a cow.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Those stats took me 10 seconds to google up. And they are 100% FACT.

Show me that they are wrong. You can't.

That b.s. from Mother Jones...saying that New Mexico is a problem? That's just twisting stats.

They only have 2 million people. Mostly Native American and hispanics. And Mother Jones says they are a big "welfare state" getting 2.63 dollars for every dollar that their citizens pay in taxes.

So New Mexico...the giant horrible welfare state gets a total of 5.26 million dollars a year from the federal govt.


Yeah, carry on with that stupid political bullshit.

here you go us news ans world report.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...h-their-taxes-

[L-Pink]

"federal funding per tax dollar paid" …..Per tax dollar paid by whom? Corporate taxes included in those numbers? If so that pretty much explains the list.

[Fat Panda]

its a FACT! red state parasite socialist leeches are WORTHLESS anti-American hypocrites!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Those stats took me 10 seconds to google up. And they are 100% FACT.

Show me that they are wrong. You can't.

That b.s. from Mother Jones...saying that New Mexico is a problem? That's just twisting stats.

They only have 2 million people. Mostly Native American and hispanics. And Mother Jones says they are a big "welfare state" getting 2.63 dollars for every dollar that their citizens pay in taxes.

So New Mexico...the giant horrible welfare state gets a total of 5.26 million dollars a year from the federal govt.


Yeah, carry on with that stupid political bullshit.

The stats are based on what each state pays vs what they get back from the federal govt.

New York Obviously pays more in federal taxes each year compared to New Mexico.. Obviously New York will get back more money.

Seriously is that hard to comprehend? Are you saying that it's ok for states to get back more than what they paid? If so why bitch about welfare moms? It's the exact same so why is it ok on the State level but not on the individual level?

Welfare states are negative income states on federal tax dollars. Those extra dollars that are returned to them have to come from somewhere. That somewhere is from the pockets of the states that pay more than they get back.

It's simple math Robbie, why is that so hard to understand?

The Right always bitches about welfare yet they can't even pay their own way on the state level. The bulk of red states aren't paying their own way.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

"federal funding per tax dollar paid" …..Per tax dollar paid by whom? Corporate taxes included in those numbers? If so that pretty much explains the list.

Aren't most major corporate headquarters located in blue states? If corporate taxes are part of the total collected then the blue/red mapping is worthless.

Toyota USA for instance is headquartered in California. When they pay federal taxes does that revenue show up as California's contribution?

Apple pays billions per year they also are based in California. Does their billions get counted as tax revenue from California?

IBM in New York? Etc …….

If what each state pays also includes corporate revenues, and I think it does, this entire argument is foolish.


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[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

The stats are based on what each state pays vs what they get back from the federal govt.

New York Obviously pays more in federal taxes each year compared to New Mexico.. Obviously New York will get back more money.

Seriously is that hard to comprehend? Are you saying that it's ok for states to get back more than what they paid? If so why bitch about welfare moms? It's the exact same so why is it ok on the State level but not on the individual level?

Welfare states are negative income states on federal tax dollars. Those extra dollars that are returned to them have to come from somewhere. That somewhere is from the pockets of the states that pay more than they get back.

It's simple math Robbie, why is that so hard to understand?

The Right always bitches about welfare yet they can't even pay their own way on the state level. The bulk of red states aren't paying their own way.

The "states" don't pay ANYTHING.
The PEOPLE living there do.

And if you are saying that 2 million people in New Mexico are a bunch of "freeloaders" you are insane.
Those people don't see much of ANY of that money (you know the whole 5.6 million dollars that the STATE gets)

You are so blinded by politics that you can't see the reality. It IS simple math.
New Mexico simply gets a tiny 5.6 million dollars per year from the Federal govt. (I deduced that from your stupid Mother Jones stats)
And where does that money go? To cronies of their Congressmen and Senators.

You are making it sound like a bunch of toothless redneck Republican PEOPLE are getting a big govt. handout.
But it's not the way it is at all.

As I said...New Mexico only has 2 million people. Mostly Native American and hispanic. If you really think that a whopping 5.6 million dollars (that those people will never see) is a "Red State on Govt. Welfare" then you and I will never agree.

In my opinion...the Federal govt. does not NEED so much money to begin with. And shouldn't have all this power to take money FROM the people of the 50 states and then use it to extort the States to do their bidding by threatening to withhold "federal funding' (which is actually the people's money that the govt. took to begin with)

Just go on ranting and raving about "blue" and "red".
The politicians in Washington LOVE it! Makes their mutli-million dollar lifestyles that much easier to maintain.

[Sly]

I was curious so I had to look this up. New Mexico really does only have 2 million people, LOL. That's roughly 1% of the country. The United States has more than 20 metro areas with a larger population than New Mexico.

[Dirty Dane]

I thought socialists would be the first to vote for aid.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Sly

I was curious so I had to look this up. New Mexico really does only have 2 million people, LOL. That's roughly 1% of the country. The United States has more than 20 metro areas with a larger population than New Mexico.

But according to Mother Jones...they are THE NUMBER ONE FEDERAL WELFARE STATE!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Robbie

But according to Mother Jones...they are THE NUMBER ONE FEDERAL WELFARE STATE!

I see what's happening. It's like the argument when people claim high earners pay less in taxes because they use tax breaks to pay a lower percentage, yet still pay more money. For some reason, in some minds, percentages trump actual dollars.

[Tom_PM]

It's just math based on dollars in and dollars out. The source of the information really should be irrelevant, but whatever.

If you want to get into population and representation then you should join the movement to retool how our senate works. Why should states with millions of people only have 2 senators which is the same as desert states that only have a handful? Oh well, that's how the system works.

[Tom_PM]

Percentage is the way you figure "how much" you pay in taxes. If you want to talk raw dollars, then just say so. But 25% is "more than" 15% in any math book.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The source of the information really should be irrelevant, but whatever.

I'm going to quote this the next time you don't like a Fox News statistic.

Statistics are easily framed. Source is crucial.

[Tom_PM]

Who pays "more"? The person who pays 10% of $100, or the person who pays 10% of $1000?
Not only do they pay the same rate, but in terms of reality the person who holds that 10% more dear is the one who is paying "more" aren't they... well maybe math doesn't really capture the feeling of "more" as well as we used to think.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Percentage is the way you figure "how much" you pay in taxes. If you want to talk raw dollars, then just say so. But 25% is "more than" 15% in any math book.

25% is more than 15%, absolutely. But that is very rarely the argument used. The argument is "the rich pay less in taxes than the poor." If you want to say "the rich pay a lower percentage than the poor", that may or may not be true, depending on the scenario, but that is very rarely what is trumpeted as it does not sound sexy at all.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Sly

I'm going to quote this the next time you don't like a Fox News statistic.

Statistics are easily framed. Source is crucial.

Please do. I don't have cable television though, so I couldn't quote them unless it's in an AP or Reuters report.. or some opinion piece I guess.

[L-Pink]

What is included in "federal funding" ?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

But according to Mother Jones...they are THE NUMBER ONE FEDERAL WELFARE STATE!

They are number one for the amount of federal tax dollars received compared to what the paid. Should New Mexico not count as a state? They are a state so they are on the list..

In the past Alaska was at the top getting over $2 per dollar paid.

Nothing on the Mother Jones site said they revived the most overall, but that they received the most vs what they paid in.


You are really trying hard to distract from the facts. I guess it's because you don't like what the facts say about whom the "REAL" freeloaders are in this country.

[seeandsee]

that people are nuts

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Sly

25% is more than 15%, absolutely. But that is very rarely the argument used. The argument is "the rich pay less in taxes than the poor." If you want to say "the rich pay a lower percentage than the poor", that may or may not be true, depending on the scenario, but that is very rarely what is trumpeted as it does not sound sexy at all.

But it's not. The argument used is ALWAYS the rich paying less (of a rate) than poor (in terms of tax rate). It should not need to be pointed out because it's just that obvious.
Perhaps this is a fundamental problem, but I'm not worried. I'm certain that the richer people will always pay a lower effective rate than the poorer people because they have the means to. This is not a slam (pointing out the obvious), it's just the way it is.

[Tom_PM]

Poor and rich alike can simply choose the third rail and not pay anything and risk jail. Crime.. the great equalizer.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Sly

I see what's happening. It's like the argument when people claim high earners pay less in taxes because they use tax breaks to pay a lower percentage, yet still pay more money. For some reason, in some minds, percentages trump actual dollars.

This isn't percentages.. it's actual dollars and dollars out.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

This isn't percentages.. it's actual dollars and dollars out.

Percentages and dollars don't count at this time.

No body has broken down WHAT taxes are being divided by population to arrive at the revenue per capita dollar number.

When you look at the total federal tax revenue by state, collected by the IRS you are including individual AND corporate dollars. They are mixed. So …………

Why does California get credit for Toyota USA paying the Feds from their corporate headquarters in California. Why does each resident of California get their per capita revenue figure bolstered by the tax on profit from every Toyota vehicle sold in the rest of the country?

Why do New York residents get to divide per capita tax collected on every penny declared as profit from investment bank/stock brokerages on transaction across the country just because their corp headquarters pay from Wall St?

Why does Procter and Gamble out of Ohio up the percentage of their residents from tax collected on consumer products sold in other states? Proctor and Gamble probably has a half dozen products in every house in every state but pay from corporate offices in Cincinnati Ohio.

Think where most big tax paying corporations are located ….. Look at those states on the list now and you'll see why the numbers are incorrect. Poor guy in New Mexico driving a Toyota has just increased the per capita numbers for some guy in California.


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[Mutt]

Stupid debate over statistics but the point made by the OP is valid - millions of anti big government voters are first in line when it comes to government handouts. i'd like to see these red white and blue true Muricans if their wish came true and the spending and handouts came to a screeching halt.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

They are number one for the amount of federal tax dollars received compared to what the paid. Should New Mexico not count as a state? They are a state so they are on the list..

In the past Alaska was at the top getting over $2 per dollar paid.

Nothing on the Mother Jones site said they revived the most overall, but that they received the most vs what they paid in.


You are really trying hard to distract from the facts. I guess it's because you don't like what the facts say about whom the "REAL" freeloaders are in this country.

Your argument is fucking stupid! You don't listen to anything that someone tells you.

The PEOPLE of New Mexico are NOT "freeloaders".

That little 5.6 million dollars goes to the cronies of their crooked politicians in Washington D.C.

Crockett, you have eyes and still can not see. I give up on you man. Keep thinking what you are told to by MSNBC and Mother Jones.

[spiederman]

to change things up,

not fiddy but foddy one

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your argument is fucking stupid! You don't listen to anything that someone tells you.

The PEOPLE of New Mexico are NOT "freeloaders".

That little 5.6 million dollars goes to the cronies of their crooked politicians in Washington D.C.

Crockett, you have eyes and still can not see. I give up on you man. Keep thinking what you are told to by MSNBC and Mother Jones.

You are wasting your time

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your argument is fucking stupid! You don't listen to anything that someone tells you.

The PEOPLE of New Mexico are NOT "freeloaders".

That little 5.6 million dollars goes to the cronies of their crooked politicians in Washington D.C.

Crockett, you have eyes and still can not see. I give up on you man. Keep thinking what you are told to by MSNBC and Mother Jones.

It's welfare Robbie.. exactly what the right claims to be against. If you don't earn it you shouldn't get it.. isn't that the motto of the GOP? Why is it only good, for certain situations but not others?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's welfare Robbie.. exactly what the right claims to be against. If you don't earn it you shouldn't get it.. isn't that the motto of the GOP? Why is it only good, for certain situations but not others?

What welfare? How many times do you have to be told: The PEOPLE aren't seeing a thin dime of any money.
It goes to defense contractors and other cronies. Ever hear of Roswell Air Force Base? Betcha the lions share of that 5.6 million dollars goes straight to that.

You really don't have a clue do you?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What welfare? How many times do you have to be told: The PEOPLE aren't seeing a thin dime of any money.
It goes to defense contractors and other cronies. Ever hear of Roswell Air Force Base? Betcha the lions share of that 5.6 million dollars goes straight to that.

You really don't have a clue do you?

Military contracts are taken care of by the department of defense on a federal level not state. The state govt doesn't pay for it out of their piece of the pie and you are calling me clueless? lol

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Military contracts are taken care of by the department of defense on a federal level not state. The state govt doesn't pay for it out of their piece of the pie and you are calling me clueless? lol

You are so fucking ignorant.
Read this and please for God's fucking sake use GOOGLE and learn shit for yourself.

"States That Get The Most Federal Money

Posted: August 3, 2012 at 11:45 am

In 2010, the federal government took the hundreds of billions of dollars it received in corporate, income and property taxes from each state and respent that money — and then some — on programs in each state. A review of federal data indicates that some states, considering their size and the taxes they paid, received a disproportionate amount of funding relative to the amount they put in each year.

A review of the data shows that some very large programs, including DEFENSE SPENDING, Medicare and Medicaid, Social Security, and farm subsidies, had major effects on how much money each state received, to the extent that individuals get far more per person than in other states. In some cases, it was several programs that affected the total amount the government spent on the state per capita, but in others, it may have been just one program.

Often that program was DEFENSE SPENDING. States like Virginia, Alaska, Maryland and New Mexico received the most money per capita in federal procurement spending, which includes things like Medicaid and NASA, but the majority of which goes to the Department of Defense. To give an idea of the amount of money the federal government poured into military bases and research centers in these states, the government spent approximately $7,300 per person on all programs in Nevada. It also spent approximately $5,000 per person on DEFENSE SPENDING alone in Virginia.

Read more: States That Get The Most Federal Money - 24/7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/2012/08/03/states-that-get-the-most-federal-money/#ixzz2Tzc4PPOx"

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Now do you understand? IT DOES INCLUDE DEFENSE SPENDING.

You are so goddamned conditioned like a robot that you can't even think for yourself.
Use google. Google up "how much federal money goes to military base in new mexico"

That's how I got that information in about 5 seconds and one click.

[crockett]

From your own link..

New Mexico received the third-highest procurement spending per capita in the U.S. at $3,641.68. A significant component of this spending was under the category of non-defense agency spending for the Department of Energy. New Mexico received more federal funding from the Department of Energy than any other state, with an amount of $4.8 billion.

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More than 60% of these grants were from the Department of Health and Human Services. Some 22.53% of the population was on Medicaid — the fourth highest percentage in the nation — which is funded through this department.


Read more: States That Get The Most Federal Money - 24/7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/2012/08/03/stat...#ixzz2TzjvGKza

[Fat Panda]

bottom line Red State Republican FREELOADING leeches are the most worthless anti-American socialist traitors around.

they're a hypocritical DISGRACE to the Constitution and Amerika

[Robbie]

Crockett, you are fucking editing out the most important part of that piece that you just quoted. Typical liar, here is what it REALLY says:

"New Mexico received the third-highest procurement spending per capita in the U.S. at $3,641.68. A significant component of this spending was under the category of non-defense agency spending for the Department of Energy. New Mexico received more federal funding from the Department of Energy than any other state, with an amount of $4.8 billion. This is due to the three nuclear weapons facilities located within the state."

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There really is nothing that fake liberals won't stoop to in order to try and spread misinformation.