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wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:07 PM

You don't fock about with the Oil Cartel

"Paul was approached by members of the oil cartel that made him offers for his patent, each time he demanded a contractual provision that the invention would actually be used to help man and the planet - The potential buyers always refused -

One group took Paul to court and argued that Paul was insane, for anyone that would turn down the amount of money that he was offered was surely crazy -

Paul Pantone was falsely placed in a mental institution where he was tortured in an attempt to get him to sign over all rights to his design

He was released when an employee realized that Paul was not crazy and the crazy story that he was telling was in fact true"

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:17 PM

There there was Stanley Meyer who was killed off due to his water powered car

Stanley Meyer died suddenly on March 21, 1998 after dining at a restaurant. His brother claimed that during a meeting with two Belgian investors in a restaurant, Meyer suddenly ran outside, saying "They poisoned me"

deltav · 05-28-2013, 05:22 PM

Geez dude - you just eat up any conspiracy theory based story, don't you?

Pantone invented some device with some pretty outlandish claims, got investors throw in money for this, when his creation turns out to be a bit of pseudo-science and there are no scientific studies to back up that it works (and no, anecdotes about tractors or whatever don't count, there's no hard evidence), then gets accused of defrauding his investors and cries about a Grand Conspiracy. Also, if you watch him talk for more than a few minutes it becomes clear he is indeed certifiably insane.

I've no doubt there are many many efforts by Big Oil to discourage the adoption of alternate fuel sources, but this is not one of them. Guy was a crazy quack promising more than he could deliver, got in trouble for it.

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 05:23 PM

that is a crazy story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%C3%86E/Paul_Pantone

but he was put in jail for securities fraud.. coincidentally, for transferring this patent to Canada in 2002 when he declared bankruptcy.

Whats strange is every link is deleted for citation.

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

that is a crazy story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%C3%86E/Paul_Pantone

but he was put in jail for securities fraud.. coincidentally, for transferring this patent to Canada in 2002 when he declared bankruptcy.

Whats strange is every link is deleted for citation.

As you well know the Oil Cartel are completely ruthless, they have many ways of taking people down.

Thanks for the Wiki link

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav

Geez dude - you just eat up any conspiracy theory based story, don't you?

Pantone invented some device with some pretty outlandish claims, got investors throw in money for this, when his creation turns out to be a bit of pseudo-science and there are no scientific studies to back up that it works (and no, anecdotes about tractors or whatever don't count, there's no hard evidence), then gets accused of defrauding his investors and cries about a Grand Conspiracy. Also, if you watch him talk for more than a few minutes it becomes clear he is indeed certifiably insane.

I've no doubt there are many many efforts by Big Oil to discourage the adoption of alternate fuel sources, but this is not one of them. Guy was a crazy quack promising more than he could deliver, got in trouble for it.

1000 tractors in france running the technology count as 'hard evidence'?

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav

I've no doubt there are many many efforts by Big Oil to discourage the adoption of alternate fuel sources, but this is not one of them. Guy was a crazy quack promising more than he could deliver, got in trouble for it.

The Elite families control oil and profit from oil, it props up the US $, they simply could not risk this invention getting out.

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 05:28 PM

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this is against the laws of chemistry. ("the primary fuel is water", "more oxygen...", plasmas are ionized gases)
I have no opinion on his mental state.

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

As you well know the Oil Cartel are completely ruthless, they have many ways of taking people down.

Thanks for the Wiki link

from what i looked at, and deltav countered with, there is several names that pops up, and several paths..

this seems very easy to either debunk or fully confirm

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

1000 tractors in france running the technology count as 'hard evidence'?

I didn't know about that

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:34 PM

Free energy is not allowed

At least most of us still have free water, though Nestle are trying to put an end to that, while Monsanto are trying to take away our seeds.

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

I didn't know about that

you are gullible

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-28-2013, 05:38 PM

Another crackpot debunked...Meet Paul Pantone:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...-and-his-motor

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pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 05:39 PM

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Free energy is not allowed

are you sure this is not a false flag ? because there is usually nothing in these new miraculous projects..

xNetworx · 05-28-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

you are gullible

so so gullible. If his asshole being brown was a conspiracy he would post about it here.

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

you are gullible

Only if they've changed the definition, have they?

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Only if they've changed the definition, have they?

Believe me they lied you when they defined it...

deltav · 05-28-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

1000 tractors in france running the technology count as 'hard evidence'?

From the context I assume you meant to put a "don't" in there?

If so - no, claims of this or that are not hard evidence unless there are multiple independent peer-reviewed scientific studies demonstrating & supporting it. That's how science & engineering work.

But strangely whenever someone asks for these the conspiracy folks come up with one reason or another why this didn't happen, because it doesn't fit into their near-religious worldview.

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

are you sure this is not a false flag ? because there is usually nothing in these new miraculous projects..

If we look through history we see the same thing happening time and time again, the same with Cancer. Oil is an industry as is Cancer, we are indoctrinated not to question the reality of the situation.

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Another crackpot debunked...Meet Paul Pantone:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...-and-his-motor

ADG

strange,

http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/

for 'what we do', where is the column for 'debunking online conspiracy theories'.. if you can call a no-emission engine a conspiracy theory

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:44 PM

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Believe me they lied you when they defined it...

The cunts

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

If we look through history we see the same thing happening time and time again, the same with Cancer. Oil is an industry as is Cancer, we are indoctrinated not to question the reality of the situation.

no i'm a former chemist...

keysync · 05-28-2013, 05:46 PM

Still waiting for those offers from big oil to come rolling in.

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav

But strangely whenever someone asks for these the conspiracy folks come up with one reason or another why this didn't happen, because it doesn't fit into their near-religious worldview.

you believe that, or you know?

so, these ' multiple independent peer-reviewed scientific studies '

who pays for it?

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:49 PM

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no i'm a former chemist...

Keep in mind that some of what you will have learned is fact and real science, whereas other parts will have been manipulated by powerful people who pay for the 'Research' and don't pay for other Research.

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

you believe that, or you know?

so, these ' multiple independent peer-reviewed scientific studies '

who pays for it?

while you're at it, maybe you can explain why buddy went to jail over something that is

'a joke', and how 'justice could only be served, if the criminal was put on anti-psychotics'

sounds like a normal procedure for a 'crazy inventor inventing nothing'?

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

while you're at it, maybe you can explain why buddy went to jail over something that is

'a joke', and how 'justice could only be served, if the criminal was put on anti-psychotics'

sounds like a normal procedure for a 'crazy inventor inventing nothing'?

Well summed up

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 05:51 PM

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who pays for it?

Instead of coming with things that could be possible, tell me why you produce more energy that the energy of decomposition of water (i guess H2O --> H2+ 1/2O2, since you produce oxygen), this is thermodynamically a non sense...

reminder: since it costs energy to do: H2 + 1/2 O2 --> H2O
It requires exactly the same amount of energy to do H2O--> H2+1/O2
It requires also energy to produce plasma..

So i make a plasma (that costs energy) to decompose water, then suddently for some reason i would make more energy from the hydrogen that i get ?
No, since these reactions have not a yield of 100% (the appartus can't be perfect and there is also a thermic effect that costs energy), you will lose energy instead of winning some...

(and i state here, that the appartus is something more than a combustion engine that works with oil)

wehateporn · 05-28-2013, 05:53 PM

deltav · 05-28-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

Instead of coming with things that could be possible, tell me why you produce more energy that the energy of decomposition of water (i guess H2O --> H2+ 1/2O2, since you produce oxygen), this is thermodynamically a non sense..

Don't waste your time - they're just going to pull more nonsense out of their ass and fall back on the whole "But... but... all Science is in the pocket of Big Oil! It's all lies and only we know the truth, because some other nutters told us so!"

JFK · 05-28-2013, 05:57 PM

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Don't waste your time - they're just going to pull more nonsense out of their ass and fall back on the whole "But... but... all Science is in the pocket of Big Oil! It's all lies and only we know the truth, because some other nutters told us so!"

except, you need to think out of the box sometimes, what ever was the truth, a 100 years ago, does not necesarrily hold water now

Keep an open mind

$5 submissions · 05-28-2013, 05:59 PM

Probably went to jail due to the quality of the video. There should be a mandatory minimum YT quality standard ;)

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 06:04 PM

if i was a crook i could make money from that...

deltav · 05-28-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

except, you need to think out of the box sometimes, what ever was the truth, a 100 years ago, does not necesarrily hold water now

Keep an open mind

Of course dude, where did I say that scientific knowledge is static? It's constantly evolving by definition. Again, in this case if there were multiple independent reviewed studies demonstrating that Pantone's invention lived up to his claims (or the "water powered car" for that matter), then well hats off to them!

But there are no such studies, instead the conspiracy crowd takes it on blind faith that it works because that narrative fits their worldview.

My bad though, I should know better than to try discussing science with conspiracy religionists on an adult webmaster board.

mikesouth · 05-28-2013, 06:33 PM

anyone who believes ina water powered car clearly never took even high school chemistry or Physics

could we power a car with water....YES absolutely

would we use MORE power separating the Hydrogen and Oxygen from the water than burning the fuels would produce? YES ABSOLUTELY

so is a water powered car in any way practical ABSOLUTELY NOT

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

anyone who believes ina water powered car clearly never took even high school chemistry or Physics

could we power a car with water....YES absolutely

would we use MORE power separating the Hydrogen and Oxygen from the water than burning the fuels would produce? YES ABSOLUTELY

so is a water powered car in any way practical ABSOLUTELY NOT

You get the point.

sarettah · 05-28-2013, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Only if they've changed the definition, have they?

Did you know that "gullible" is not in the dictionary?

.

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav

Don't waste your time - they're just going to pull more nonsense out of their ass and fall back on the whole "But... but... all Science is in the pocket of Big Oil! It's all lies and only we know the truth, because some other nutters told us so!"

you fell back on that

which is hilarious

you never explained how someone could go to jail on securities fraud, over something that is worthless.

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

except, you need to think out of the box sometimes, what ever was the truth, a 100 years ago, does not necesarrily hold water now

Keep an open mind

100 years? about the age of the electrical car technology

_Richard_ · 05-28-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

Instead of coming with things that could be possible, tell me why you produce more energy that the energy of decomposition of water (i guess H2O --> H2+ 1/2O2, since you produce oxygen), this is thermodynamically a non sense...

reminder: since it costs energy to do: H2 + 1/2 O2 --> H2O
It requires exactly the same amount of energy to do H2O--> H2+1/O2
It requires also energy to produce plasma..

So i make a plasma (that costs energy) to decompose water, then suddently for some reason i would make more energy from the hydrogen that i get ?
No, since these reactions have not a yield of 100% (the appartus can't be perfect and there is also a thermic effect that costs energy), you will lose energy instead of winning some...

(and i state here, that the appartus is something more than a combustion engine that works with oil)

what.. relevance.. does this have?

it's an odd story, and quick google searches shows the idea is currently in use

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

you fell back on that

which is hilarious

you never explained how someone could go to jail on securities fraud, over something that is worthless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securities_fraud

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Securities fraud, also known as stock fraud and investment fraud, is a deceptive practice in the stock or commodities markets that induces investors to make purchase or sale decisions on the basis of false information, frequently resulting in losses, in violation of securities laws.

pornmasta · 05-28-2013, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

what.. relevance.. does this have?

it's an odd story, and quick google searches shows the idea is currently in use

Si · 05-28-2013, 07:16 PM

I have Stanley Mayer's patents on my computer.

Si · 05-28-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

1000 tractors in france running the technology count as 'hard evidence'?

Very specific number, any evidence to support this?

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

The Elite families control oil and profit from oil, it props up the US $, they simply could not risk this invention getting out.

If you're viewing this from a "big oil" conspiracy, would it not make more sense for these powerful people to buy up this idea or steal it in its entirety to further their gains? Why shut down a powerful natural concept, then continue to destory the planet these people live on? Why not, if you're so powerful, take the concept forcefully, cover your tracks in conspiract then pretend to people you're still making energy via oil, when you now know a legitimate concept for renewable energy? Why?

Why keep using oil if you can cover up massive missions that do otherwise?

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

If we look through history we see the same thing happening time and time again, the same with Cancer. Oil is an industry as is Cancer, we are indoctrinated not to question the reality of the situation.

No, Cancer is a genetic mutation, it can and sometimes will happen to anybody who avoid the things you seem to think cause it. Oil is an industry, you're right but to not question is blind faith and very religious in its meaning.

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

you fell back on that

which is hilarious

you never explained how someone could go to jail on securities fraud, over something that is worthless.

Please post more on this Richard, I'd like to know what you're referring to. Fraud doesn't seem to be something that is worthless.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-28-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

you fell back on that

which is hilarious

you never explained how someone could go to jail on securities fraud, over something that is worthless.

Because he bilked investors out of money on a worthless invention:

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Pantone?s troubles with the state, according to court documents, dated back to summer 1999, when he met Kaysville businessman Jon T. McBride. In January 2000, Pantone used his technology as collateral to secure a $200,000 investment from McBride, who says he represented a Bahamian investment operation called Lombard & Associates, a business of which there are no records on the Internet.

?My impression was [Pantone] was a poor inventor who was ready to rock and roll,? McBride says. Lombard & Associates put up $100,000 before deciding Pantone had not fulfilled his end of the agreement. McBride asked the friend at GEET who had originally introduced him to Pantone for an accounting of their money.

A few months after Pantone?s deal with McBride, Pantone offered stock in his GEET company to George Gladic. In August, Gladic put up $25,000 after Pantone promised he could get his money back after one year. Gladic has yet to see a cent from that investment. Pantone made no mention to Gladic of McBride nor the fact there was pending litigation against the inventor and another of his companies.

Court documents list four investors Pantone deceived or misled in connection with the offer and sale of investments in GEET, including at least one to whom he signed over the patent to his device. Their testimonies formed the basis for the state?s prosecution of the inventor for selling securities without a license, leading to his guilty plea for two second-degree securities fraud felonies.

You love championing loonies and losers. A different hobby, but hey, whatever.

Do you send them money?

ADG

baddog · 05-28-2013, 08:49 PM

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You love championing loonies and losers. A different hobby, but hey, whatever.

ADG

You noticed that too?

dyna mo · 05-28-2013, 08:59 PM

why would they jail him over this?

the pakistanis have had this technology for years, it's the only way their economy can survive. it's not like he did anything special or is the only one with this tech.

Si · 05-28-2013, 09:07 PM

I love the way, you believe people can kill to cover up a technology, or to gain access to a technology without "joe bloggs" knowing until you reveal it. But, these same people capable of doing such, cannot kill these same people and steal their working patents/ideas, keyword working, take these concepts and rule via a lie.

NinjaSteve · 05-28-2013, 09:08 PM

Infowars on full alert!

lezinterracial · 05-28-2013, 09:53 PM

Do people really fall for this?

I saw where Wired online had an article that said some girls in Africa made a generator that ran on urine. It was a generator that had a water filter on it. I couldn't believe the story got that far. Maybe the girls had a concept science project going and a reporter embellished somewhere. I'm sure the story got alot of views. But I couldn't renew Wired after that.

05-28-2013, 05:07 PM	#1
wehateporn Promoting Debate on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,173	Inventor Jailed for making this video You don't fock about with the Oil Cartel "Paul was approached by members of the oil cartel that made him offers for his patent, each time he demanded a contractual provision that the invention would actually be used to help man and the planet - The potential buyers always refused - One group took Paul to court and argued that Paul was insane, for anyone that would turn down the amount of money that he was offered was surely crazy - Paul Pantone was falsely placed in a mental institution where he was tortured in an attempt to get him to sign over all rights to his design He was released when an employee realized that Paul was not crazy and the crazy story that he was telling was in fact true" __________________ Sexy Girls Teasing

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wehateporn Promoting Debate on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,173	There there was Stanley Meyer who was killed off due to his water powered car Stanley Meyer died suddenly on March 21, 1998 after dining at a restaurant. His brother claimed that during a meeting with two Belgian investors in a restaurant, Meyer suddenly ran outside, saying "They poisoned me" __________________ Sexy Girls Teasing

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deltav Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,243	Geez dude - you just eat up any conspiracy theory based story, don't you? Pantone invented some device with some pretty outlandish claims, got investors throw in money for this, when his creation turns out to be a bit of pseudo-science and there are no scientific studies to back up that it works (and no, anecdotes about tractors or whatever don't count, there's no hard evidence), then gets accused of defrauding his investors and cries about a Grand Conspiracy. Also, if you watch him talk for more than a few minutes it becomes clear he is indeed certifiably insane. I've no doubt there are many many efforts by Big Oil to discourage the adoption of alternate fuel sources, but this is not one of them. Guy was a crazy quack promising more than he could deliver, got in trouble for it. __________________ ********* DeltaofVenus.com - Vintage Erotica from the 1800s through 1979

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wehateporn Promoting Debate on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,173	Free energy is not allowed At least most of us still have free water, though Nestle are trying to put an end to that, while Monsanto are trying to take away our seeds. __________________ Sexy Girls Teasing

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Another crackpot debunked...Meet Paul Pantone: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...-and-his-motor ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

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_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,986	that is a crazy story http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%C3%86E/Paul_Pantone but he was put in jail for securities fraud.. coincidentally, for transferring this patent to Canada in 2002 when he declared bankruptcy. Whats strange is every link is deleted for citation.

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	anyone who believes ina water powered car clearly never took even high school chemistry or Physics could we power a car with water....YES absolutely would we use MORE power separating the Hydrogen and Oxygen from the water than burning the fuels would produce? YES ABSOLUTELY so is a water powered car in any way practical ABSOLUTELY NOT __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,903	why would they jail him over this? the pakistanis have had this technology for years, it's the only way their economy can survive. it's not like he did anything special or is the only one with this tech.

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Si Such Fun! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,900	I love the way, you believe people can kill to cover up a technology, or to gain access to a technology without "joe bloggs" knowing until you reveal it. But, these same people capable of doing such, cannot kill these same people and steal their working patents/ideas, keyword working, take these concepts and rule via a lie.

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lezinterracial Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,064	Do people really fall for this? I saw where Wired online had an article that said some girls in Africa made a generator that ran on urine. It was a generator that had a water filter on it. I couldn't believe the story got that far. Maybe the girls had a concept science project going and a reporter embellished somewhere. I'm sure the story got alot of views. But I couldn't renew Wired after that. __________________ Live Sex Shows