Map of countries that have Universal Healthcare - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

"free" <-

just because you are not paying for it directly doesn't it make it "free"...

I pay 6% tax from my earnings and it covers it all. Unemployed people pay zero and they also have the same level of free medicine here. How much do YOU pay for it?

P.S. Yes, every "free" thing has its price. The question is: how how much is that price in YOUR country?

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I do, believe me, .

yes, you know what you are talking about, that's why you posted this, right

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I've read enough of stories about the US women died of a breast cancer just because they had no money for mammalogy yearly tests. That is a shame

so again, shut the fuck up about shit you know nothing about. you like russia healthcare, good. great. fantastic. now go smoke a cigg, drink a liter of vodka and get back to work.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes, let;s all move to russia for healthcare.

No! You live in the best country on the Earth. Please stay there and enjoy your freedom, rights and free healthcare. Leave us alone, PLEASE

robwod · 06-11-2013, 06:45 AM

Having been treated on both sides of the US/Canadian border, I don't think the US has a healthcare problem at all. What they do have is an insurance industry problem coupled with big Pharma and Tort Law that could use some reform. But the actual care is exceptional if you're properly insured.

One of the guys I work with in Ohio comes to Canada every few months for his diabetes care, and then goes back home and makes payments to the hospital/doctors here. According to him, it's cheaper to do that, including travel and accommodations, because it's far too expensive for him to get insurance (maybe due to pre-existing reasons?). I have no idea what the figures are, I just found that interesting.

And as someone else said, nothing is free. Certainly the medical industry here in Canada is not free, we pay for it through taxation.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

so again, shut the fuck up about shit you know nothing about. you like russia healthcare, good. great. fantastic. now go smoke a cigg, drink a liter of vodka and get back to work.

Dude, this is not a thread about the US healthcare. This is a thread about the whole world. So you better smoke a cigg (sorry I don't smoke) or drink a jerrycan of cheap whiskey and shut the fuck up already. Let the people say for their own countries. Try to relax.

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I pay 6% tax from my earnings and it covers it all. Unemployed people pay zero and the also have the same level of free medicine here. How much do YOU pay for it?

here's an example of your free healthcare:

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When Karen Papiyants lost his leg in a road accident last year, his medical nightmare was only beginning.

Although like any Russian he was entitled to free treatment, he says the doctors strongly suggested he pay $4,500 into their St. Petersburg hospital's bank account, or be deprived proper care - and perhaps not even survive.

Faced with that choice, relatives of the 37-year-old truck driver scrambled to scrape together the money. But Papiyants said that did not stop the nursing staff from leaving him unattended for most of the night and giving him painkillers only after he screamed in agony.

"It's nothing but blackmail and extortion on the part of doctors," Papiyants said.

wow, what a fantastic free system, you russians should be proud.

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Dude, this is not a thread about the US healthcare. This is a thread about the whole world. So you better smoke a cigg (sorry I don't smoke) or drink a jerrycan of cheap whiskey and shut the fuck up already. Let the people say for their own countries. Try to relax.

you're the one who compared. i just got to the gist of your bullshit.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

wow, what a fantastic free system, you russians should be proud.

That's just some sci-fi story. Enjoy reading it

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i just got to the gist of your bullshit.

Quote my bullshit please.

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:49 AM

more on fab russia healthcare::::::

Medical care in Russia is among the worst in the industrialized world. A 2000 World Health Organization report ranked Russia's health system 130th out of 191 countries, on a par with such nations as Peru and Honduras.

This is one of the few nations in the world where life expectancy has declined sharply in the past 15 years. The average Russian can expect to live only to age 66 - at least a decade less than in most Western democracies, according to a 2005 World Bank report. For men, the figure is closer to 59 - meaning many Russian men do not live long enough to start collecting their pension at age 60.

Compounded by alcoholism, heart disease claims proportionately more lives than in most of the rest of the world. Death rates from homicide, suicide, auto accidents and cancer are also especially high.

wtg russia health care !!

breezy_cb · 06-11-2013, 06:50 AM

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:52 AM

low quality and bribes- the hallmarks of russia healthcare

According to a summer 2006 study commissioned by the group, 13 percent of 1,502 respondents who had sought medical help during the previous year had to pay an average of $90 under the table, out of wages averaging $480 a month. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points.

Panfilova also said medical and pharmaceutical companies routinely bribed health officials so that hospitals bought their equipment and medicines, even though their quality is often not the best.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

more on fab russia healthcare::::::

LOL. Where did you get that? I live in Russia and I'm telling you about things here. Do you want to say I'm a liar or what? Please go on, shoot it straight, I'm not a lady.

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:56 AM

here's putin's view on russia health care system:::::

"Life expectancy in our country is 8-10 years lower than in neighboring European countries, the death rate from cardiovascular diseases is 4-5 times higher," Putin said.
The premier said a quarter of Russian hospitals were in very poor conditions, adding that 30% had no running hot water, let alone medical equipment, whose term of service is often expired.
All this added to meager wages and excessive management staff contributes to the poor quality of health care in Russia, he said.

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 07:00 AM

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Two decades after the Soviet collapse, Russia's constitution still guarantees free medical care for everyone. But many Russians say their country is actually segregated between a lucky few who can afford good medical care in private clinics and the vast majority who are left with almost no safety net -- or are forced to make side payments to doctors to get care.

In many regions, crumbling hospitals rely on Soviet-era equipment. Even in Moscow, many hospitals don’t even have air conditioners to stave off the summer heat.

Natalia (who did not want to give her last name) is a nurse at a top state ophthalmology institute. She maintains that in most cases there are two levels of care: free and paid-for.

"The free procedures are ones patients don’t need," she says. "Anything that concerns life-threatening conditions costs a fee."

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

low quality and bribes- the hallmarks of russia healthcare

Oh bribes... These is a special case in our culture. However you can't give a bribe to a doctor because he/she is not a policeman, a government employee etc. Please read the definition of "bribe" again.

Here s my story of "bribes". Just two moths ago I wanted to remove 3 moles on my chest and came to a commercial (paid) clinic. Showed them to a doctor (paid nothing for a visit) and asked how much it will cost to remove them. He said: 2000 rubles (about $60) if I pay him directly, otherwise I have to pay the clinic price which is about two times bigger. And yes, I gave him a $60 "bribe" for removing of my moles. So I'm a fucking criminal and a bad guy now, I know it

This is how paid medicine works here in Russia. OMFG!!!

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

"Life expectancy in our country is 8-10 years lower than in neighboring European countries, the death rate from cardiovascular diseases is 4-5 times higher," Putin said.

Putin is an idiot. Life expectancy in Moscow now is absolutely equal to the EU. This should be a big surprise for both you and Putin

pimpmaster9000 · 06-11-2013, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

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Two decades after the Soviet collapse, Russia's constitution still guarantees free medical care for everyone. But many Russians say their country is actually segregated between a lucky few who can afford good medical care in private clinics and the vast majority who are left with almost no safety net -- or are forced to make side payments to doctors to get care.

In many regions, crumbling hospitals rely on Soviet-era equipment. Even in Moscow, many hospitals don?t even have air conditioners to stave off the summer heat.

Natalia (who did not want to give her last name) is a nurse at a top state ophthalmology institute. She maintains that in most cases there are two levels of care: free and paid-for.

"The free procedures are ones patients don?t need," she says. "Anything that concerns life-threatening conditions costs a fee."

Im sure if I google stuff like "US healtcare criticism" I wont find any of the 314,000,000 results

an american found something wrong with another countries free health care and has proven beyond all doubt that overpriced US rip off health care is better (if you have insurance of course)

dude you are so desperate to not admit that your asshole is not a 2 way street but the health care dick is deeeeeeep inside your anus already...

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Putin is an idiot. Life expectancy in Moscow now is absolutely equal to the EU. This should be a big surprise for both you and Putin

well, the surprise is your's, russia is up from ~130th to 119th of countrys by life expectancy.

congrats though, you are no longer at the bottom of the list with 3rd world countries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ion_.282011.29

keep drinking your own kool aid splashed with vodka.

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Im sure if I google stuff like "US healtcare criticism" I wont find any of the 314,000,000 results

an american found something wrong with another countries free health care and has proven beyond all doubt that overpriced US rip off health care is better (if you have insurance of course)

dude you are so desperate to not admit that your asshole is not a 2 way street but the health care dick is deeeeeeep inside your anus already...

try and keep up.
you missed my post where i mentioned i have a pre-existing condition and am very aware of the clusterfuck of american health care.

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 07:17 AM

again, i'm not the one who started the russia v american health care competition here. btw, it's a stupid comparison but y'all wanted to go for it.

go figure.

TheSquealer · 06-11-2013, 07:20 AM

These discussions are always proof positive that no clear answer exists. If there was a clear answer, there would be no debate. Everywhere has pluses and minuses. Every healthcare system has pluses and minuses. The benefits and negatives of any system are always over stated and exaggerated and round and round it goes.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

well, the surprise is your's, russia is up from ~130th to 119th of countrys by life expectancy.

I don't care about the ratings. The only thing I care is how it really works for me and my family. Enjoy living in a pink cloud castle. May the god be with you.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

again, i'm not the one who started the russia v american health care competition here.

It's not you or me. It's a fuckin' MAP in the first OP's post.

CDSmith · 06-11-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

I pay 65 bucks a month and if I have any situation,I'm taken care of in a timely manor.gone through a few surgeries and many specialists.I would see that costing hundreds of thousands in other countries.works for me

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Originally Posted by eroticfem

I don't have to pay anything monthly we have all the free healthcare we need.

I think he's referring to the option in Canada to buy extra "premium" insurance coverage, usually through Blue Cross, which gives you certain added privileges such as a private or semi-private room (if available), expedited care whenever possible, things like that. It's not mandatory that you have it, and a lot of Canadians don't. There is no "have to pay" as you said.

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It's not you or me. It's a fuckin' MAP in the first OP's post.

no.

the map simply shows a fact. it didn't compare or create a competition between america and russia or cuba or bumfuck.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

it didn't compare or create a competition between america and russia or cuba or bumfuck.

I did. So what?

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I did. So what?

so now you are better informed as a result. you are welcome.

mineistaken · 06-11-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shake

more universal healthcare in colder areas?

colder areas = better countries, people in warmer areas are more lazy and fancy relaxing under the palm instead of working

klinton · 06-11-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

$10,000 easy in my area! Emergency room, dr's, x-ray, etc ??..

thats very funny

gypsum cost no more than 50-100 usd here... and the quality is the same..or better

_Richard_ · 06-11-2013, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by robwod

Having been treated on both sides of the US/Canadian border, I don't think the US has a healthcare problem at all. What they do have is an insurance industry problem coupled with big Pharma and Tort Law that could use some reform. But the actual care is exceptional if you're properly insured.

One of the guys I work with in Ohio comes to Canada every few months for his diabetes care, and then goes back home and makes payments to the hospital/doctors here. According to him, it's cheaper to do that, including travel and accommodations, because it's far too expensive for him to get insurance (maybe due to pre-existing reasons?). I have no idea what the figures are, I just found that interesting.

And as someone else said, nothing is free. Certainly the medical industry here in Canada is not free, we pay for it through taxation.

However we're not without our problems.. i also am fairly convinced there is a lot of corruption/waste within our admin areas

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

colder areas = better countries, people in warmer areas are more lazy and fancy relaxing under the palm instead of working

Out of fun, that's a truth. Look Latin America and South Asia. People are not great scientists there. They don't launch space rockets etc, because the life is very easy to them - it's not cold, the food is every where etc

Zeiss · 06-11-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bman

Anybody able to draw any conclusions?

Yea! Never get sick. Drink more Jack Daniel's.

CDSmith · 06-11-2013, 10:09 AM

How much would a facet block infiltration procedure cost in the US? Just curious.

Here, to the patient at least, they're free. I know, I just had them done on my lower back and was charged not a cent. In fact over the past seven months I've seen my new doctor about 5 times, was referred to two specialists both of whom I have now seen, and had one procedure done for the above mentioned injections.

(facet block infiltration is basically in lay terms called "cortisone injections")

I wonder what all that would have cost me in the states? I have yet to recieve a bill for anything here, and the level of care has been quite exemplary.

The big bad evil Canadian health care system at work. lol

CDSmith · 06-11-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

They should include the tax rate as well.

To flesh the point out fully, just out of curiousity how much per month do you pay for health care coverage? On this very board I've read posts where americans are paying anywhere from $300 to $1500 per month, depending on family size, pre-existing conditions, etc. Where do you fall in there?

Robbie · 06-11-2013, 10:20 AM

I pay $800 a month for me, my wife, and kid. It has a $3,000 deductible (we have to run up $3,000 a year in medical bills before it pays anything)

_Richard_ · 06-11-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I pay $800 a month for me, my wife, and kid. It has a $3,000 deductible (we have to run up $3,000 a year in medical bills before it pays anything)

fuck man.

here its 150 for a family, no prescriptions

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

fuck man.

here its 150 for a family, no prescriptions

Fuck man. Really

_Richard_ · 06-11-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Fuck man. Really

we have no dental or extended medical, which is.. massages and sunglasses etc, but all that is through employment (or way more intelligently, your own extended medical)

not sure if Robbie and Family get dental/prescriptions, which could account for the increase

however i can go to any hospital, and i think he would need to go to ones his insurance supports etc

pimpmaster9000 · 06-11-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

again, i'm not the one who started the russia v american health care competition here. btw, it's a stupid comparison but y'all wanted to go for it.

go figure.

nobody claimed russian health care was better or worse, its probably just the same as it is in the USA the only difference is its free...

the price is the only issue...quality wise if you have money in the USA you are set...if you do not have money in the USA you are better off living in russia if you get sick...thats my argument nothing more...

mikesinner · 06-11-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I would say that countries that don't spend all their money on a giant, bloated military and try to police (and by "police" I mean RUN) the world...are able to afford to take tax money and spend it on health care instead of spending it on killing people.

Quoted for truth.

pimpmaster9000 · 06-11-2013, 12:09 PM

just some prices for private clinics here (state clinics are a bit worse but free):

private dentist, office and equipment all german all new a tooth with filling is 20euros this is 25$

blood test, private clinic, multi million $$ hewlett packard thing brand new, if I check everything they possibly test for it goes to 200euros but Its a 2 page list of what they check for...a standard blood test is in the 80 euros region and this is a private clinic...state clinic is free they use just as good a machine only you have to wait for like 10 days...

maxio-facial operation, private clinic, done by the chief of surgery himself, top anesthetist, with a private room with 7 day hospital stay and nurse 24h/day and visits from the chief of surgery himself every day, with all the MRI scans 3D Doppler scans, all on brand new western equipment from siemens, with food and basically what ever I asked for, for a total of 3000 euros. It was super complex complex surgery to something close to the brain....could have opted to do it for free but would spend my stay in a 10 bed room with other patients...

tit job, private clinic, top tier clinic, 3000 euros and they do a perfect job

plastic surgery used to be free before the war and sanctions...you just needed to go to any doctor to send you to get checked by a specialist and you wait for a few weeks and they do you for free...

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

we have no dental or extended medical, which is.. massages and sunglasses etc, but all that is through employment (or way more intelligently, your own extended medical)

not sure if Robbie and Family get dental/prescriptions, which could account for the increase

however i can go to any hospital, and i think he would need to go to ones his insurance supports etc

In Russia dental medicine is free too. Yeah, you have to go to a governmental clinic on early morning (8:00 am) to get your ticket for, say 2:00 pm of the same day. Course this is not that comfortable as in paid clinic, but at least you'll get your teeth cured even if you have to spend a whole day to it

Webmaster Advertising · 06-11-2013, 12:11 PM

Does Russia's healthcare suck? Probably, but then take a look at the country as a whole, everything about Russia sucks, their people for the most part live in abject poverty, many cant afford to eat and their whole way of life is just retarded.

Healthcare, no matter what country you live in directly relates proportionately to how well the country is doing economically, if you live in a shithole, your going to get less than exemplary healthcare, free or not.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising

Does Russia's healthcare suck? Probably, but then take a look at the country as a whole, everything about Russia sucks, their people for the most part live in abject poverty, many cant afford to eat and their whole way of life is just retarded.

Do you mean trailer parks? Are you for real?

WTF???

Robbie · 06-11-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

we have no dental or extended medical, which is.. massages and sunglasses etc, but all that is through employment (or way more intelligently, your own extended medical)

not sure if Robbie and Family get dental/prescriptions, which could account for the increase

however i can go to any hospital, and i think he would need to go to ones his insurance supports etc

It's not dental...but it is prescriptions (after you spend $3,000 each year out of your own pocket).

And I have never been to any doctor or hospital in the country that didn't accept my insurance (I think you might be thinking of an HMO).

Problem is...I shouldn't need insurance to go to the doctor or get a prescription. "Insurance" used to be something you used for a catastrophe (like a bad auto accident, or cancer, or a heart attack)...not something that you had to use everyday because the price of medical care in the U.S. is so jacked up beyond what anyone else in the world is paying.

CDSmith · 06-11-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I pay $800 a month for me, my wife, and kid. It has a $3,000 deductible (we have to run up $3,000 a year in medical bills before it pays anything)

So that's nearly a $10,000 per year expenditure that Canadians don't have to pay. So much for the argument many Americans make about the so-called "high Canadian taxes". I can assure Baddog et al that I pay nowhere near $10k more per year in taxes than US citizens in my same tax bracket. Yet that's usually the first thing out of a lot of Americans' mouths when the subject of Canadian health care comes up -- "Yeah but whut about the TAXES?".

Indeed. What ABOUT the taxes? Fact is it's a fallacious argument. Our lower to middle income tax bracketers pay roughly 20-30% in income tax, so do American tax payers. Our higher earners making six figure+ incomes pay in the 35-45% range, so do high earners in the USA.
We have provincial and federal taxes on goods and services, Americans pay state and federal taxes as well.

The biggest difference I can see is that we don't have to pay any health insurance premiums. Well that and when we go for a simple doctor appointment or an open heart surgery, we recieve no bill afterwards.

As imperfect as it is I wouldn't trade our health care system for a more Americanized one for all the tea in China.

Robbie · 06-11-2013, 01:08 PM

CDSmith...I agree...but our govt. spends more money than every other country combined on a fucking military to kill people and try to run the world. So we can't do that.

And also...as I said, we get double fucked. They intentionally allow hospitals and big pharma to charge 3 and 4 times MORE for the exact same thing here in the U.S. so that the big Insurance companies can make even more money (insurance companies don't actually pay those prices by the way...they "negotiate them down...which means they pay the same prices as the rest of the world does)

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 01:18 PM

Reading it all, it's so good to live in the "3rd world" country, pay 6% (OMFG!) tax, have a free healthcare (even for bums) etc. I know, I'm not free because I can't carry AK47 in my pocket and KGB will kill me if I say that Putin is a piece of shit. Yeah, the oversea people have to pay a heavy price for their freedom because they can say that Obama is **** and stay alive. I envy them very much.

* crying smile *

CDSmith · 06-11-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

CDSmith...I agree...but our govt. spends more money than every other country combined on a fucking military to kill people and try to run the world. So we can't do that.

It would require an entire overhaul of how health care is delivered in the US, changing it from an insurance system to a true health care system. Instead of paying for health insurance all 100 million tax paying Americans (or however many there are) would simply pay a % point or two more than they are paying now. That would in a lot of cases end up costing you LESS than your present yearly health care usage costs you.

But of course that would upset the giant "for profit" apple cart you've built yourselves. It would also be a blow to the ego of the notion that capitalism is always superior to the evil *gasp* socialism, a term most Americans I know revile. (Baddog I have you in mind here buddy)

It's not that you "can't do that" per se, it's more that America simply WON'T do that. As in it will never happen. I know and accept this. But this conversation will be had numerous times ad nauseum in the future, because some Americans will never stop with the "what about the taxes?" argument whenever someone has the tumerity to suggest that Canada has a better sytem than the good ol US of A.

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robwod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,539	Having been treated on both sides of the US/Canadian border, I don't think the US has a healthcare problem at all. What they do have is an insurance industry problem coupled with big Pharma and Tort Law that could use some reform. But the actual care is exceptional if you're properly insured. One of the guys I work with in Ohio comes to Canada every few months for his diabetes care, and then goes back home and makes payments to the hospital/doctors here. According to him, it's cheaper to do that, including travel and accommodations, because it's far too expensive for him to get insurance (maybe due to pre-existing reasons?). I have no idea what the figures are, I just found that interesting. And as someone else said, nothing is free. Certainly the medical industry here in Canada is not free, we pay for it through taxation. __________________ NSFW Last edited by robwod; 06-11-2013 at 06:46 AM..

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,913	again, i'm not the one who started the russia v american health care competition here. btw, it's a stupid comparison but y'all wanted to go for it. go figure. Last edited by dyna mo; 06-11-2013 at 07:18 AM..

06-11-2013, 07:20 AM	#122
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,083	These discussions are always proof positive that no clear answer exists. If there was a clear answer, there would be no debate. Everywhere has pluses and minuses. Every healthcare system has pluses and minuses. The benefits and negatives of any system are always over stated and exaggerated and round and round it goes. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

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CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	How much would a facet block infiltration procedure cost in the US? Just curious. Here, to the patient at least, they're free. I know, I just had them done on my lower back and was charged not a cent. In fact over the past seven months I've seen my new doctor about 5 times, was referred to two specialists both of whom I have now seen, and had one procedure done for the above mentioned injections. (facet block infiltration is basically in lay terms called "cortisone injections") I wonder what all that would have cost me in the states? I have yet to recieve a bill for anything here, and the level of care has been quite exemplary. The big bad evil Canadian health care system at work. lol __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	I pay $800 a month for me, my wife, and kid. It has a $3,000 deductible (we have to run up $3,000 a year in medical bills before it pays anything) __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

06-11-2013, 06:49 AM	#110
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,913	more on fab russia healthcare:::::: Medical care in Russia is among the worst in the industrialized world. A 2000 World Health Organization report ranked Russia's health system 130th out of 191 countries, on a par with such nations as Peru and Honduras. This is one of the few nations in the world where life expectancy has declined sharply in the past 15 years. The average Russian can expect to live only to age 66 - at least a decade less than in most Western democracies, according to a 2005 World Bank report. For men, the figure is closer to 59 - meaning many Russian men do not live long enough to start collecting their pension at age 60. Compounded by alcoholism, heart disease claims proportionately more lives than in most of the rest of the world. Death rates from homicide, suicide, auto accidents and cancer are also especially high. wtg russia health care !!

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breezy_cb Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: canada Posts: 31

06-11-2013, 06:52 AM	#112
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,913	low quality and bribes- the hallmarks of russia healthcare According to a summer 2006 study commissioned by the group, 13 percent of 1,502 respondents who had sought medical help during the previous year had to pay an average of $90 under the table, out of wages averaging $480 a month. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points. Panfilova also said medical and pharmaceutical companies routinely bribed health officials so that hospitals bought their equipment and medicines, even though their quality is often not the best.

06-11-2013, 06:56 AM	#114
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,913	here's putin's view on russia health care system::::: "Life expectancy in our country is 8-10 years lower than in neighboring European countries, the death rate from cardiovascular diseases is 4-5 times higher," Putin said. The premier said a quarter of Russian hospitals were in very poor conditions, adding that 30% had no running hot water, let alone medical equipment, whose term of service is often expired. All this added to meager wages and excessive management staff contributes to the poor quality of health care in Russia, he said.

06-11-2013, 07:00 AM	#115
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,913	more:: Two decades after the Soviet collapse, Russia's constitution still guarantees free medical care for everyone. But many Russians say their country is actually segregated between a lucky few who can afford good medical care in private clinics and the vast majority who are left with almost no safety net -- or are forced to make side payments to doctors to get care. In many regions, crumbling hospitals rely on Soviet-era equipment. Even in Moscow, many hospitals don’t even have air conditioners to stave off the summer heat. Natalia (who did not want to give her last name) is a nurse at a top state ophthalmology institute. She maintains that in most cases there are two levels of care: free and paid-for. "The free procedures are ones patients don’t need," she says. "Anything that concerns life-threatening conditions costs a fee."

06-11-2013, 12:09 PM	#142
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	just some prices for private clinics here (state clinics are a bit worse but free): private dentist, office and equipment all german all new a tooth with filling is 20euros this is 25$ blood test, private clinic, multi million $$ hewlett packard thing brand new, if I check everything they possibly test for it goes to 200euros but Its a 2 page list of what they check for...a standard blood test is in the 80 euros region and this is a private clinic...state clinic is free they use just as good a machine only you have to wait for like 10 days... maxio-facial operation, private clinic, done by the chief of surgery himself, top anesthetist, with a private room with 7 day hospital stay and nurse 24h/day and visits from the chief of surgery himself every day, with all the MRI scans 3D Doppler scans, all on brand new western equipment from siemens, with food and basically what ever I asked for, for a total of 3000 euros. It was super complex complex surgery to something close to the brain....could have opted to do it for free but would spend my stay in a 10 bed room with other patients... tit job, private clinic, top tier clinic, 3000 euros and they do a perfect job plastic surgery used to be free before the war and sanctions...you just needed to go to any doctor to send you to get checked by a specialist and you wait for a few weeks and they do you for free...

06-11-2013, 12:11 PM	#144
Webmaster Advertising So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,360	Does Russia's healthcare suck? Probably, but then take a look at the country as a whole, everything about Russia sucks, their people for the most part live in abject poverty, many cant afford to eat and their whole way of life is just retarded. Healthcare, no matter what country you live in directly relates proportionately to how well the country is doing economically, if you live in a shithole, your going to get less than exemplary healthcare, free or not.

06-11-2013, 01:08 PM	#148
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	CDSmith...I agree...but our govt. spends more money than every other country combined on a fucking military to kill people and try to run the world. So we can't do that. And also...as I said, we get double fucked. They intentionally allow hospitals and big pharma to charge 3 and 4 times MORE for the exact same thing here in the U.S. so that the big Insurance companies can make even more money (insurance companies don't actually pay those prices by the way...they "negotiate them down...which means they pay the same prices as the rest of the world does) __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

06-11-2013, 01:18 PM	#149
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Reading it all, it's so good to live in the "3rd world" country, pay 6% (OMFG!) tax, have a free healthcare (even for bums) etc. I know, I'm not free because I can't carry AK47 in my pocket and KGB will kill me if I say that Putin is a piece of shit. Yeah, the oversea people have to pay a heavy price for their freedom because they can say that Obama is **** and stay alive. I envy them very much. * crying smile * __________________ Obey the Cowgod Last edited by just a punk; 06-11-2013 at 01:27 PM..