Map of countries that have Universal Healthcare - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

eroticfem · 06-10-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

I pay 65 bucks a month and if I have any situation,I'm taken care of in a timely manor.gone through a few surgeries and many specialists.I would see that costing hundreds of thousands in other countries.works for me

I don't have to pay anything monthly we have all the free healthcare we need.

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

the health care is still free compared to the rip off that US health care is...it is a shame we lost our completely completely free health care it took 2 wars and 20 years of economic sanctions against a 3rd world country...just pointing out what a fucking rip off joke US health care is...

CIA 2013 stats:

infant mortality USA 5.9/1000
infant mortality cuba 4.76/1000
infant mortality serbia 6.28/1000 (and we are really a shit hole LOL)

what a fucking joke...the USA kept cuba like under 50 years of economic sanctions and they still have better health care than the USA...the USA kept serbia under 20+ years and 2 wars...

joke: US healthcare

fyi, it's not about quality, it's about access. the us has top quality doctors, equipment, and facilities that not everyone can access due to costs.

given a choice, i will choose going to see a doctor using equipment in a hospital in the u.s over the same in cuba.

that's a no-brainer.

Bman · 06-10-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

That is MARGINAL tax rate, not average.. Marginal rate is "How much tax would you pay on an extra dollar, had you earned $1 more in a year".

To get to the highest rate, you need to be making a lot of money. It only affects a very small portion of the population.

For the average person making ~$40-50k a year, the taxes aren't that different from the US and Canada.

No they arent...except in the US somebody with the same skill level as somebody in Canada would make considerably more money and you are not being nickled and dimed with a million other taxes either like gas, gst and a million other ones.

I have lived in both. and my income and standard of living was much hire in the US over Canada. Did the exact same thing for work

eroticfem · 06-10-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC

the united shit states of amerika has a system of wealth care. only criminal socialists who steal money from middle class and poor receive care. the rest slowly die for profit.

fuck the usa its a cesspool of socialist maggots and freeloading parasites

Bman · 06-10-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

fyi, it's not about quality, it's about access. the us has top quality doctors, equipment, and facilities that not everyone can access due to costs.

given a choice, i will choose going to see a doctor using equipment in a hospital in the u.s over the same in cuba.

that's a no-brainer.

yes of course cause the US is gonna have the best equipment however in Cuba they keep the rates down with preventative medicine...plus they make them fuckin walk everywhere nobody is fat ;)

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 02:51 PM

here's more on the underlying reasons for the infant mortality rate

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The report is the first to dissect out specifically deaths on the first day of life.
Save the Children says it’s not precisely clear why the United States does so poorly in protecting newborns, but says politics and culture both play a role.
“Many babies in the United States are born too early. The U.S. preterm birth rate (1 in 8 births) is one of the highest in the industrialized world (second only to Cyprus). In fact, 130 countries from all across the world have lower preterm birth rates than the United States,” the report reads.
Teen births are partly to blame, the report says – echoing other research that has shown this. The U.S. has the highest teenage birth rate of any industrialized country.
“Teenage mothers in the U.S. tend to be poorer, less educated, and receive less prenatal care than older mothers. Because of these challenges, babies born to teen mothers are more likely to be low-birthweight and be born prematurely and to die in their first month. They are also more likely to suffer chronic medical conditions, do poorly in school, and give birth during their teen years (continuing the cycle of teen pregnancy),” the report says.

Robbie · 06-10-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

here's more on the underlying reasons for the infant mortality rate

Reading that makes me realize that if we were giving teenage boys condoms and teenage girls birth control pills...then we would have a lot LESS teenage pregnancy.

Teens have always had sex (they have more hormones raging than all of us combined).

But our fucked up religious wacko's in our country just can't seem to figure out why their 15 year old daughter is knocked up.
She's knocked up for the same reason that 15 year old girls have been getting pregnant in droves since the beginning of time...she's fucking.
And she's fucking with no birth control.

We need to stop being hypocritical and remember when WE were teenagers and fucking horny all the damn time. Teenagers fuck. It's what they do.
And if we just had the good sense to give them access to birth control without all the hell raising about it...we'd have a lot less teen pregnancy and a lot lower infant mortality rates. (not to mention all the kids who grow up in a bad situation because their mom was so young when she got pregnant)

_Richard_ · 06-10-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

here's more on the underlying reasons for the infant mortality rate

not one mention of birth control or chemicals

wonder why

OY · 06-10-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Perhaps you should move.

They should include the tax rate as well.

When including the tax rate, make sure you do "average salary" in the country and ADD in % the amount paid monthly for paid healthcare. You might be surprised on how much in % a good health insurance costs in comparison to an average salary, thus the tax rate almost becomes mute...

klinton · 06-10-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bman

Uhmm your in euro right?
Well in the USA that would have been around $5,000 to $10,000 USD to do the same

50 euro? come on man

5,000 $$$ to put gypsum on broken arm ? oh come on.......

and people pay such money ? they are idiots ? or what ?

All1 · 06-10-2013, 03:37 PM

Post more maps!

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Reading that makes me realize that if we were giving teenage boys condoms and teenage girls birth control pills...then we would have a lot LESS teenage pregnancy.

Teens have always had sex (they have more hormones raging than all of us combined).

But our fucked up religious wacko's in our country just can't seem to figure out why their 15 year old daughter is knocked up.
She's knocked up for the same reason that 15 year old girls have been getting pregnant in droves since the beginning of time...she's fucking.
And she's fucking with no birth control.

We need to stop being hypocritical and remember when WE were teenagers and fucking horny all the damn time. Teenagers fuck. It's what they do.
And if we just had the good sense to give them access to birth control without all the hell raising about it...we'd have a lot less teen pregnancy and a lot lower infant mortality rates. (not to mention all the kids who grow up in a bad situation because their mom was so young when she got pregnant)

i know right? it's stupid. that alone would prolly bring us in line with the norm,

+ the current crop of *reality* teen pregnancy shows. it's got them all clamoring to get knocked-up and become a star.

pimpmaster9000 · 06-10-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

fyi, it's not about quality, it's about access. the us has top quality doctors, equipment, and facilities that not everyone can access due to costs.

so does the rest of the world...look you guys just have better weapons than the rest of the world the rest is made in china...get a clue...seriously go abroad sometimes...

my shit ass 3rd world shitstain hospital has a 2million dollar hewlett packard blood gas thing have no idea what it does it costs 2 million...down the road theres a shit stain private clinic with brand new siemens 3D doppler shit dont know what the fuck it is it costs a fuck load and thers 2 types and its in a shit stain suburb in a shit stain city...

the MRI is around 20$ for a scan and that a private clinic...

growth hormone made in germany!!!!!!! costs 1$/IU

google how much it costs in the USA

look just admit it...you are being fucked...FUCKED!...the health care penis is deep in your ass...

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

given a choice, i will choose going to see a doctor using equipment in a hospital in the u.s over the same in cuba.
that's a no-brainer.

go get an Ipone to go with your Ihealthcare

_Richard_ · 06-10-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

go get an Ipone to go with your Ihealthcare

pimpmaster9000 · 06-10-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

here's more on the underlying reasons for the infant mortality rate

oh no it cant be the SHIT healtcare ripoff its teen pregnancy that is, somehow, confined to just the USA and does not affect other 1st world countries...

but on the other hand your article does mention your SHIT rip off education system and I must admit there is something to it...

sure you got harvard and the fancy colleges they are not shit of course but your general education, and I went to a private american school abroad, is a joke...

you are getting ripped off by your government on every level possible...and you are still a rich and successful country...how about that LOL...

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

so does the rest of the world...look you guys just have better weapons than the rest of the world the rest is made in china...get a clue...seriously go abroad sometimes...

my shit ass 3rd world shitstain hospital has a 2million dollar hewlett packard blood gas thing have no idea what it does it costs 2 million...down the road theres a shit stain private clinic with brand new siemens 3D doppler shit dont know what the fuck it is it costs a fuck load and thers 2 types and its in a shit stain suburb in a shit stain city...

the MRI is around 20$ for a scan and that a private clinic...

growth hormone made in germany!!!!!!! costs 1$/IU

google how much it costs in the USA

look just admit it...you are being fucked...FUCKED!...the health care penis is deep in your ass...

go get an Ipone to go with your Ihealthcare

lolz, i have a pre-existing condition. i am aware of how fucked i am getting.

which goes directly to what you do not understand- our system is based on insurance. insurance means i couldn't give 2 shits how much gh is in germany, because i'm covered.

no insurance means bend over in one way or another, prolly both ways at the same time.

MaDalton · 06-10-2013, 03:54 PM

i used to work for Siemens Medical - let's say the prices per country for their stuff varies. A lot.

Bman · 06-10-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton

5,000 $$$ to put gypsum on broken arm ? oh come on.......

and people pay such money ? they are idiots ? or what ?

Let me google that for you...was that so hard?

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

oh no it cant be the SHIT healtcare ripoff its teen pregnancy that is, somehow, confined to just the USA and does not affect other 1st world countries...

but on the other hand your article does mention your SHIT rip off education system and I must admit there is something to it...

sure you got harvard and the fancy colleges they are not shit of course but your general education, and I went to a private american school abroad, is a joke...

you are getting ripped off by your government on every level possible...and you are still a rich and successful country...how about that LOL...

what?

settle down bra. take a breath of fresh air. you are railing on the usa health care system, which you've never participated in anway, nevertheless, try and stay on that.

L-Pink · 06-10-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bman

Let me google that for you...was that so hard?

$10,000 easy in my area! Emergency room, dr's, x-ray, etc ……..

Mutt · 06-10-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

sure you got harvard and the fancy colleges they are not shit of course but your general education, and I went to a private american school abroad, is a joke...

oh you went to a private American school abroad - daddy is probably some corrupt drunk Serbian politician.

dyna mo · 06-10-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

oh you went to a private American school abroad - daddy is probably some corrupt drunk Serbian politician.

in the next thread, he will go on about how he was on the front lines in bosnia and witnessed all kinds of american atrocities.

Mutt · 06-10-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

in the next thread, he will go on about how he was on the front lines in bosnia and witnessed all kinds of american atrocities.

I have no idea which shithole he calls home.it really doesn't matter because it won't be long before they're killing and raping each other again while he's worried about America and Cuba.

pimpmaster9000 · 06-10-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

lolz, i have a pre-existing condition. i am aware of how fucked i am getting.

which goes directly to what you do not understand- our system is based on insurance. insurance means i couldn't give 2 shits how much gh is in germany, because i'm covered.

no insurance means bend over in one way or another, prolly both ways at the same time.

you get health insurance for free? i think not LOL...so you do care how much GH is...we also have this insurance white man miracle in our country too

its just not such a rip off like in yours...

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

oh you went to a private American school abroad - daddy is probably some corrupt drunk Serbian politician.

education is free in my 3rd world shit stain country...even when they send you abroad the state pays for your education...let me put this in to perspective for you, our shit stain 3rd world country pays for rip off western education abroad and its STILL FREE

until a few years back college education was completely free...now its a rip off but its still 100x cheaper than in the USA...

I honestly feel sorry for you guys...

femdomdestiny · 06-10-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

CIA 2013 stats:

infant mortality USA 5.9/1000
infant mortality cuba 4.76/1000
infant mortality serbia 6.28/1000 (and we are really a shit hole LOL)

what a fucking joke...the USA kept cuba like under 50 years of economic sanctions and they still have better health care than the USA...the USA kept serbia under 20+ years and 2 wars...

joke: US healthcare

I don't think these are best things to compare. Cuba is socialistic country (which means
that good of all people is most important value ) and they have some of best health care system in the world because big companies couldn't access them because their isolation.

Since you are from Serbia, you know how often people from here go to Cuba to be cured for most incredible things not available to rest of the world. Also, you know probably that soon lung cancer vaccine will be made in Serbia under supervision and licence from Cuban doctors (delayed for years, my guess is because of big companies since people from around the world will hear and start spreading). They have technology that lung cancer treat as any other illness and stop it not to spread and save patient life.

Recent example is one of Serbian famous actors that was almost dead and with gangrena and with stroke, recently came from Cuba and now filming new series in age of 80 and everyone thought he was practically dead before he went there. These are just small examples of how advanced Cubans are in medical research and health care.

Also, Serbia is also not good example to compare because they are still using hospitals and system made during socialism. Two weeks ago I've came from Military Medical Academy (it is opened for civilians also)because my mom broke her leg. There was immediate operation, and care and it costed nothing. Job was done perfectly and professional without any additional costs. But VMA (medical military academy) is also left from socialism in a same way complete system works. You also know that this was state of the art hospital, mostly underground ready for chemical and biological warfare and that Serbs made many such hospitals in different countries worldwide (as a business). On the other side, maybe there is low mortality rate with newborns but that is not covering complete situation where people are waiting for months or even year to get their turn on other free services. (we both know that free health system here is destroyed so people can make private business and earn big money).

So, maybe would be best to compare with countries that were not (are),socialistic....I don't know, for example. Germany,Norway,Italy....that would be interesting to see.

Mutt · 06-10-2013, 05:01 PM

who knew Serbia was such a paradise. apparently Cuba has cured lung cancer and many other terminal diseases.

post links to this lung cancer vaccine and these other Cuban miraculous medical treatments nobody else in the world knows about other than Serbians.

femdomdestiny · 06-10-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bman

Uhmm your in euro right?
Well in the USA that would have been around $5,000 to $10,000 USD to do the same

50 euro? come on man

no,it was free.I am also having complete health care free as unemployed (need to write one document every year that I don't have a work).I am just saying that they asked 50 eur more for better service ,privately. That sucks and that is very dangerous thing (what will happen when you need hearth surgery). Personally, idea of paying for medicine and health care is sign of low level of humanity and civilization. Maybe because I am coming from place where it was free for all but even that I am not from there, we are all humans and need to be treated like that. Idea that you can live if you have to pay is terrible and as I am concerned, equal to some apocalyptic movie scenario.

femdomdestiny · 06-10-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

who knew Serbia was such a paradise. apparently Cuba has cured lung cancer and many other terminal diseases.

post links to this lung cancer vaccine and these other Cuban miraculous medical treatments nobody else in the world knows about other than Serbians.

Nothing will help your ignorance, but I will anyway ,paste you few links:

http://english.blic.rs/Society//8695...Serbia-in-2013

http://www.expatserbia.com/news-a-ev...ncer-in-serbia

I wasn't pasting non-English resources because I guess that someone with that attitude will probably deny it as propaganda, lie, or ...like you said with irony" paradise". Also, you should know that same vaccine later went to testing in UK. Hopefully, UK is good enough for you to accept it.

escorpio · 06-10-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Brother, if we could get the govt to stop allowing Big Pharma and the Medical Industry to price gouge the fuck out of us... we wouldn't NEED "Universal Health Care".

We could all just afford to pay for it ourselves...just like we did for a couple of hundred years.

The price gouging here in the U.S. is outrageous and the govt. hasn't addressed that problem at all.

If Canadian pharmacies and doctors were allowed to charge what they do here in the U.S. you guys would be bankrupt in no time.

You are 100% correct. Price gouging is the root of the problem in the USA. I went to the ER with an anxiety attack about 15 years ago. I was seen for less than 10 minutes, given Xanax and charged $900.

Bman · 06-10-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

You are 100% correct. Price gouging is the root of the problem in the USA. I went to the ER with an anxiety attack about 15 years ago. I was seen for less than 10 minutes, given Xanax and charged $900.

Did that give you another anxiety attack?

_Richard_ · 06-10-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

who knew Serbia was such a paradise. apparently Cuba has cured lung cancer and many other terminal diseases.

post links to this lung cancer vaccine and these other Cuban miraculous medical treatments nobody else in the world knows about other than Serbians.

they managed to have female doctors long before the US did

or you need proof for that too?

birds of a feather indeed. wow.

femdomdestiny · 06-10-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bman

Did that give you another anxiety attack?

lol...that is insane, really..but maybe it is good thing to avoid hypochondria?

and about that vaccine. Hopefully no one of us will need it but Cuban embassy in Serbia is giving precise information how to get it (until it is produced in Serbia). It is free for Cubans, and there is a way for foreigners to get it. Bookmark this page, it can save someone's life:

http://www.cubadiplomatica.cu/serbia...9/Default.aspx

escorpio · 06-10-2013, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bman

Did that give you another anxiety attack?

Didn't give me another attack but it didn't help. Part of the stress I was experiencing at the time was financial.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-10-2013, 06:16 PM

America is the world leader in crack babies ...

Infant mortality ...

Probably, if we ignore babies born into poverty-stricken families the infant mortality rate would no look so bad in the USA -- that's a tragedy in itself.

Ignoring the health delivery quality of the uninsured with only emergency access to critical healthcare -- again the average healthcare in the USA would look pretty good as compared to the rest of the world.

But reasonable healthcare access should be a right here and not privilege of the "overclass" that can afford it.

Curative advances in Nanomedicine are showing great promise, if regulated in an egalitarian way and offered to all citizens based on need and not ability to pay, could dramatically lower cancer and other complex disease treatment costs freeing up money spent on this that could be used for preventive medicine.

Unfortunately, they are selling stocks and EFTs in Nanomedicine research firms creating the next big-pharma and continuing the the mess we have today.

Healthy people make money so that makes this a real paradox I guess?

Shagbunny · 06-10-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Number of citizens would be at least as relevant; go ahead and include both.

baddog, you're the typical US moron.

Believes in zombie Jesus = YES
Believes in Unversal Health Care = NO

Idiots.

Bman · 06-10-2013, 11:35 PM

Can anybody let me know if any of the States have a Universal Health Care plan?

Shouldnt Health Care be the responsibility of the State's and not the Fed?

In Canada you dont pay anything to the Canadian Government it is all to the Provincial Government (State) ....it is just a federal law that says the Provinces must provide it.

Quick Fact- Kiefer Sutherland's Grandfather is the guy who made it law in Canada...

Bman · 06-10-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by eroticfem

I don't have to pay anything monthly we have all the free healthcare we need.

Nothing is free

pimpmaster9000 · 06-11-2013, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I don't think these are best things to compare. Cuba is socialistic country (which means
that good of all people is most important value ) and they have some of best health care system in the world because big companies couldn't access them because their isolation.

Since you are from Serbia, you know how often people from here go to Cuba to be cured for most incredible things not available to rest of the world. Also, you know probably that soon lung cancer vaccine will be made in Serbia under supervision and licence from Cuban doctors (delayed for years, my guess is because of big companies since people from around the world will hear and start spreading). They have technology that lung cancer treat as any other illness and stop it not to spread and save patient life.

Recent example is one of Serbian famous actors that was almost dead and with gangrena and with stroke, recently came from Cuba and now filming new series in age of 80 and everyone thought he was practically dead before he went there. These are just small examples of how advanced Cubans are in medical research and health care.

Also, Serbia is also not good example to compare because they are still using hospitals and system made during socialism. Two weeks ago I've came from Military Medical Academy (it is opened for civilians also)because my mom broke her leg. There was immediate operation, and care and it costed nothing. Job was done perfectly and professional without any additional costs. But VMA (medical military academy) is also left from socialism in a same way complete system works. You also know that this was state of the art hospital, mostly underground ready for chemical and biological warfare and that Serbs made many such hospitals in different countries worldwide (as a business). On the other side, maybe there is low mortality rate with newborns but that is not covering complete situation where people are waiting for months or even year to get their turn on other free services. (we both know that free health system here is destroyed so people can make private business and earn big money).

So, maybe would be best to compare with countries that were not (are),socialistic....I don't know, for example. Germany,Norway,Italy....that would be interesting to see.

people in the USA wait for moths also...depends on the "level" of their insurance....my point was their whole medical system is a complete complete rip off and its so painfully obvious to see that its amusing to watch people defend it...
big western companies are slowly infiltrating every aspect of our healthcare and soon we wont be able to afford it anyway...

good luck trying to convince most americans about any other country making the cure for cancer but the USA...the brain wash is strong in the USA and north korea...you will never never never never convince them that our health care is just as good even if its free...95% of them think we have witch doctors and sacrificial chicken in our hospitals

you should get a load of their education system

man I was in our 1st year middle school equivalent in a US school tests are like:

2+5=
a) potato
b) 7
c) 23987623926592346524398562439824365982465423975634 29875436

ok im exaggerating with the above but you get it LOL

everything is such a rip off there and we are being steered towards it with no choice

shit I hope our conversion to "borg" takes as long as possible....

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

people in the USA wait for moths also...depends on the "level" of their insurance....my point was their whole medical system is a complete complete rip off and its so painfully obvious to see that its amusing to watch people defend it...
big western companies are slowly infiltrating every aspect of our healthcare and soon we wont be able to afford it anyway...

good luck trying to convince most americans about any other country making the cure for cancer but the USA...the brain wash is strong in the USA and north korea...you will never never never never convince them that our health care is just as good even if its free...95% of them think we have witch doctors and sacrificial chicken in our hospitals

you should get a load of their education system

man I was in our 1st year middle school equivalent in a US school tests are like:

2+5=
a) potato
b) 7
c) 23987623926592346524398562439824365982465423975634 29875436

ok im exaggerating with the above but you get it LOL

everything is such a rip off there and we are being steered towards it with no choice

shit I hope our conversion to "borg" takes as long as possible....

peeps in america wait for months for medical depending in their level of insurance?

lolz

fyi, mutt is canadian. i'm american, i've already sent that cuban cancer link off to a family member with copd.

try and stay focused, you hate america, we get that, we really do, but you need to not get so wound up about it, you end up just writing a bunch of gibberish as you usually do.

but i guess that is due to the private american school you attended, instead of that distinguished bosnian uni we all hear about.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-11-2013, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bman

Can anybody let me know if any of the States have a Universal Health Care plan?

Shouldnt Health Care be the responsibility of the State's and not the Fed?

In Canada you dont pay anything to the Canadian Government it is all to the Provincial Government (State) ....it is just a federal law that says the Provinces must provide it.

Quick Fact- Kiefer Sutherland's Grandfather is the guy who made it law in Canada...

No, each state will voluntarily set up pools of people to buy private insurance policies under the Affordable Healthcare Act (AKA:obamacare) https://www.google.com/search?q=Affo...Healthcare+Act or the Federal government will fill the function for non-participating states.

However this is, considering your point of view; a sellout or a compromise solution.

People on welfare (the "dole") receive taxpayer paid "Medicaid" at no cost to them and people over 65 receive Medicare old age medical benefits that they paid into over their working lives. Both are single payer medical insurance, State and Federal paid benefits but Medicare ( old age medical benefits ) has some deductible costs to recipients and some co-pays. Reimbursements to doctors, clinics and hospitals are considerably lower that what private insurance patients are charged.

So, we have this Byzantine payment schedule in the USA:

Self paying patient: 100%

Private insured patient: 50% - 70%* (negotiated contract price) (patient paid - federal subsidy at a sliding scale, up to $80K (AGI?) income (starting 2014)

Medicare patient: 45%* (Federal government paid)

Medicaid patient: 28%* (state paid federally subsidised (substantially))

*Approximate

Pretty fucked up healthcare delivery system ...

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by serione

In Russia we really have free medicine, but it's mostly very bad.

Maybe just you. My father is disabled (Parkinson's disease) and he's getting all the meds for free (even a wheelchair). He had a few prostate surgeries recently. How much did we pay for it? Nothing!

Me and my wife get tested in a local clinic every year (fluorography, various blood tests (CBC, biochemistry, hormones, viruses, cancer markers), cardiograms etc). She also gets tested as a women (mammography, gynecology etc). Everything is for free here. Furthermore, just yesterday she has cured two teeth. And yes, she paid nothing for it.

Need more examples? Anyone here in Russia pays nothing for calling/using an ambulance.

So I believe you are living in some shithole or you just have no idea about the healthcare you can have for free

Do the US citizens have something similar? No, they haven't. Happy living in the "first wold"

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Some of those countries (Using Russia as an example) have people who would rather stay home and take their chances with appendicitis than go to the hospital and face almost certain death at the hands of inept doctors and a filthy hospital. Those that have money pay for good health care.

WTF was that?

HerPimp · 06-11-2013, 06:10 AM

You do not want to live in the destination where the best doctors in the world can come and make a fortune?

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:11 AM

ok ok, we get it, russia is superfabtastic, has best health care. and we all want to live there and get surgery there and have our teeth cured there.

got it, now shut the fuck up.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

ok ok, we get it, russia is superfabtastic, has best health care

I have no idea what did you get. I never said that Russian free healthcare is the best one. At least it's free. If you don't like it, you can use the the paid one, which is also about 10..100 times cheaper than the US one

I've read enough of stories about the US women died of a breast cancer just because they had no money for mammalogy yearly tests. That is a shame

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I have no idea what did you get. I never said that Russian free healthcare is the best one. At least it's free. If you don't like it, you can use the the paid one, which is also about 10..100 times cheaper than the US one

umm, you compared the 2

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Do the US citizens have something similar? No, they haven't. Happy living in the "first wold"

more gibberish from you:

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I've read enough of stories about the US women died of a breast cancer just because they had no money for mammalogy yearly tests.

you really should just shut the fuck up. you have no idea what you are yappng about.

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

more gibberish you are yapping about:

Are you idiot? I know it is incurable, but still... Just a first link from Google: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-aged-30.html

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'I noticed it and paid attention to it, but going to the doctor is hard when you don't have insurance,' she had said.

Want more fucked-up stories? Do they get you horny or what?

just a punk · 06-11-2013, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

you really should just shut the fuck up. you have no idea what you are yappng about.

I do, believe me, clown. How many people in the US have a healthcare insurance? Dare to call the numbers? Here in Russia even a homeless have it for free. So shut the fuck up already.

woj · 06-11-2013, 06:35 AM

"free" <-

just because you are not paying for it directly doesn't it make it "free"...

dyna mo · 06-11-2013, 06:36 AM

yes, let;s all move to russia for healthcare, here are the features and benefits:::

since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the health of the Russian population has declined considerably as a result of social, economic, and lifestyle changes.[4]

The average Russian life expectancy of 68.67 years at birth is nearly 10 years shorter than the overall average figure for the European Union, or the United States.

a high mortality rate among working-age males from preventable causes (e.g., alcohol poisoning, stress, smoking, traffic accidents, violent crimes). Mortality among Russian men rose by 60% since 1991, four to five times higher than European average.[9]

The infant mortality rate in 2008 was 8.5 deaths per 1,000, that almost 2x usa

i could keep going.....................

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,913	ok ok, we get it, russia is superfabtastic, has best health care. and we all want to live there and get surgery there and have our teeth cured there. got it, now shut the fuck up.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,913	yes, let;s all move to russia for healthcare, here are the features and benefits::: since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the health of the Russian population has declined considerably as a result of social, economic, and lifestyle changes.[4] The average Russian life expectancy of 68.67 years at birth is nearly 10 years shorter than the overall average figure for the European Union, or the United States. a high mortality rate among working-age males from preventable causes (e.g., alcohol poisoning, stress, smoking, traffic accidents, violent crimes). Mortality among Russian men rose by 60% since 1991, four to five times higher than European average.[9] The infant mortality rate in 2008 was 8.5 deaths per 1,000, that almost 2x usa i could keep going.....................