Venezuela and Nicaragua make Snowden asylum offers

[DVTimes]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23201774

[mineistaken]

respect, but would he get there without "fuel issues"?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

respect, but would he get there without "fuel issues"?

Yes, they just have to route the plane correctly.

[dyna mo]

i bet Venezuela and Nicaragua have top-secret fancy flying private jets that have 9,000+ mile ranges that don't need to refuel like every private jet currently flying. that way if they are denied airspace, they won't have to u-turn for gas prior to flying across an entire ocean.

when transporting heads of state, it just doesn't make sense to have to land after flying 4000 miles to have to refuel a small jet prior to flying another 4000 miles across the atlantic ocean + another 1000 mile across south america.

those clever Venezuelans and Nicaraguans! but snowden knew about the secret planes when he shrewdly mapped-out his dastardly plan months in advances!

[mineistaken]

Refueling can happen in "friendly" countries.

And do you still clinge to your stupid idea that Bolivians were not denied entrance (although now most of those countries admitted it in political correct terms) and to your stupid idea that his plane was not searched unprecedented?

Both things almost never happen. 0.0000000000000000001% (or whatever) chance for both things to happen accidentally.

[DVTimes]

It said on the news its a bit complecated.

They sugested he would first go to cuba, as then he would be fine.

ps

As a brit I suport this chap and see him as a hero.

[dyna mo]

have you seen a map of the world lately?

here's a brand spanking new one, you can see for yourself, it's all ocean after spain, france, italy.




fuel issues on a private plane traveling 9000+ miles, 4000+ of that in the middle of the journey across an ocean, with a head of state, nah!

[mineistaken]

No need to fly with head of state, any diplomat would do (for diplomacy protection).
What about flying to east Russia, refueling there and thats it? Just random idea, I am sure its doable in some way.

By the way it looks simpler and no special charter plane involved:


“He can’t buy a ticket and travel anywhere until he gets a valid set of traveling documents,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “For this reason he was not on the list of passengers for a Havana-bound flight today and he hasn’t booked a seat for a Monday flight either.

"Snowden will be able to travel out of Russia as soon as Venezuela or Nicaragua equip him with some valid foreign travel ID now that they offered him asylum," the official added.

Experts agree Havana is the safest transit point for Snowden to use en route to Caracas, a city to which Moscow has no direct flights.

from latimes.com article

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

have you seen a map of the world lately?

here's a brand spanking new one, you can see for yourself, it's all ocean after spain, france, italy.




fuel issues on a private plane traveling 9000+ miles, 4000+ of that in the middle of the journey across an ocean, with a head of state, nah!

the problem from what i gather is that he does not have a passport and so its a question if an airline will take him without a passport.

[dyna mo]

i think he should continue hopping in bed with non-aligned nations and head to venezuela.

[mineistaken]

By the way why do even talk about refueling, there are even commercial routes that are longer than that without refueling, so that would not even be an issue.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by DWB

Yes, they just have to route the plane correctly.

They can route it how ever they like and it most likely wont make it.

If they can force the landing of a Presidential Airplane in a 3rd country, they can and will get him.

I know of a 1 way direct flight from mexico city to Pakistan that got re routed to LA so they could arrest a guy.

[dyna mo]

the president of bolivia didn't fly commercial, thus the fuel issue.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the president of bolivia didn't fly commercial, thus the fuel issue.

I am saying that it would be possible for Venesuel or Nicaragua to fly from moscow without fueling if needed. I used commercial flights example merely to prove that it is possible.

Ps: it was not fuel issue, it was US orchestrated takedown when all the countries denied air space entrance.

[seeandsee]

who cares, nsa will crash that airplane over ocean, and that is GOOD BYE CHARLIE!

[geedub]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I am saying that it would be possible for Venesuel or Nicaragua to fly from moscow without fueling if needed.

Ps: it was not fule issue, it was US orchestrated takedown when all the countries denied air space entrance.

Nicaragua is the 2nd poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, I'm sure they have all kinds of money they can burn up to fly Snowden over.

[dyna mo]

obviously austria was not denied airspace. the fact is the plane could not make the entire journey without refueling. they had to land somewhere for it, that place was austria.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by geedub

Nicaragua is the 2nd poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, I'm sure they have all kinds of money they can burn up to fly Snowden over.

let's rent a 747 for a 10,000 mile flight so we can set this guy up with free wifi and a place to live.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by geedub

Nicaragua is the 2nd poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, I'm sure they have all kinds of money they can burn up to fly Snowden over.

We are not saying that they would do that, we are just thinking if that would be possible (as you can see from the first posts - refueling issue was discussed)

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

obviously austria was not denied airspace. the fact is the plane could not make the entire journey without refueling. they had to land somewhere for it, that place was austria.

Idiot, they had to takedown him in SOME country, so at least one country should have accepted the plane for search. If they wanted him to land for searh in Austria that means Austria should have granted air space for it to happen.

And why did all these countries deny air space entrance if that plane would have landed in Austria for refueling anyway? Think

Even if Austria refueling was the original plan (was it???) that plane couldn't fly out of it (because of surrounding countries and flight clearance pending) before search was done.

Normal 13 hour long refuel issue which never happens to presidential planes, of course it was just routine thing, nothing to do with US interest in Showden
Nobody can be that stupid. Except, obviously, you

[dyna mo]

yes, as i mentioned earlier, bolivia has top-secret fancy private jets that don't need to refuel during a 9000 mile flight with a head of state on board with 4000 miles of that across an ocean. got it.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes, as i mentioned earlier, bolivia has top-secret fancy private jets that don't need to refuel during a 9000 mile flight with a head of state on board with 4000 miles of that across an ocean. got it.

Don't twist my words. Never said original plan was to fly without refueling. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Maybe plan was to refuel in Austria, maybe in some other country such as Portugal.

What I am saying:

Usual refueling stops does not include:
13 hour delays
flight clearance canceling from all surrounding countries
unprecedented search of presidntial plane

How big of a moron must one be not to comprehend that it was Showden related takedown and not simply refueling? How big of a moron? How big of a moron?

[dyna mo]

i haven't even broached the topic of what happened after the required landing for fuel. the fact is the plane had a fuel issue.

[mineistaken]

Even your big US media admits that plane was rerouted and there was no plan to land in Ausrtia:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...rales/2490925/

Why is all the rage from Latin america if that was scheduled landing due to fuel? Idiot!!!!!! Unbelievable.......

[dyna mo]

that's why the plane u-turned back to austria, duh.

[globofun]

This baby can fly over 26K miles!

I would go to Venezuela.....cheap gas, hot women, and beautiful beaches in Margarita!

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's why the plane u-turned back to austria, duh.

Correct and that is exactly what I am saying - US through France, Spain and Portugal orchestrated for plane to land in Austria.
And you say that is just refueling issue

[dyna mo]

that is a refueling issue. they had to land. period. fuel, you don't want to run out of it at 30,000 feet over the atlantic. common sense.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

obviously austria was not denied airspace. the fact is the plane could not make the entire journey without refueling. they had to land somewhere for it, that place was austria.

Why are you in such denial about this? Even state officials have come out and admitted they were blocking the flight.

Are you this much of a hard head that you simply won't admit you are wrong? Is your ego that fucking big or are you just in denial?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that is a refueling issue. they had to land. period. fuel, you don't want to run out of it at 30,000 feet over the atlantic. common sense.

There was no plan to refuel in Austria.

It was orchestrated takedown in order to search the plane for Showden.

Only a moron can not comprehend such a simple thing.

And refueling does not take 13 hours.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

Even state officials have come out and admitted they were blocking the flight.

It is so obvious that they couldn't say anything else, yet one moron is in denial

[dyna mo]

lolz, you two can't even remember the context in which i brought that up. too funny, i'm happy to recollect it here for this thread, since it was already alluded to.

i was updating the other thread in real time and c&p'ed the fact that there was "fuel issue" reported in the news, verbatim, their words, not mine.

which i then went on to say i have no idea what a fuel issue means but it could be that the plane needed to refuel at some point, which turns out to be true.

next, at one point in my kindly updating that thread with real time news reporting, i opined on the latest update, that all those countries explicity denied denying airspace to the flight, that that makes just as much sense at that time as the bolivian claiming imperialistic kidnapping.

nevertheless, that opinion was not right, i wasn't attached to it and i'm still not. i was thinking out loud along with the realtime info and not making any conclusions, i felt no need to jump to any conclusions yet, i was enjoying the story as it unfolded and chimed in an opinion based on that.


i'm sure neither of you will get any of that, nor even attempt to get that.