Seems every day I see someone bitching about Minimum payouts - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Socks · 07-21-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Standard business practices are to close out accounts owed at the end of the fiscal year and to pay any amount outstanding. Many porn companies used to do this once. But as we all know there is more than our fair share of scumbags in this industry and eventually it became acceptable to not do this and to use the minimum as a way to steal money from low volume affiliates or affiliates who have otherwise moved on.

The new trend now is to also refuse to payout to affiliates below the minimum who request it along with a closing of their account.

If I got my accounts paid out once every 6 months or a year, you would never hear a peep from me about minimum payouts. But as a review site owner in this dismal climate, it's a serious problem.

The truth is that it isn't a problem of paying people too often for small amounts, it's that program owners have gotten fat eating from their (our) float, and rely on it to pay their own bills.

Maybe we can get a Barefootsies clap to that? Doubt it. Pissing on your business partners is something to be proud of, after all.

adultmobile · 07-21-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

The new trend now is to also refuse to payout to affiliates below the minimum who request it along with a closing of their account.

And what about affiliates who send more than $1000+ worth of traffic, but does not tell where to pay, and even seems unreachable if you try to contact them, even they continue to send traffic and signups, but you can't find how to pay them?

I have a few.

AmeliaG · 07-21-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

shouldn't something like that be taken into consideration within the business model of the webmaster when choosing this strategy?

This is a really important point.

For me, for example, if a program has an update with an alt girl in it, if they are CCBill, I will toss them some promo and probably make a few joins. If they do not regularly have those types of updates, I don't feel like giving an $80 zero interest loan to a lot of programs.

Given the structure of what niches I promote, I simply do not promote programs which are NATS standalone, if I do not think I will be likely to make their minimums at least once a month.

I think one of the secrets of PimpRoll's success is not having minimum payouts like that. PimpRoll comes across more baller for looking like it can afford to pay its affiliates.

The one place where I view the payout threshold as a real issue is where programs change from say $50 to $250. Affiliates have made their decisions on what strategy to use in promotion, based on many factors, including payout threshold.

I understand why small outfits may wish to do accounting more infrequently, but I see no good reason for any large company to be lazy about paying what they owe. How long does it really take to get the system to autogenerate another check?

AmeliaG · 07-21-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by media

We do about 1:20 -1:40 with The Best Porn and Rabbits Reviews.. we have much more than 40 hits coming in a day from these destinations... We do good numbers with FreeOnes as well, but we don't have much of the "Porn Star" or "Model Specific" crowd that their surfers seek.. so it's a bit harder for them to qualify their traffic to us...

Review sites probably pre-target and pre-sell traffic better than anyone in the adult marketplace.

Not everyone out there takes 2000 hits to make a sale if you know what the hell you're doing... some people have been dominating a certain niche for years and still know how to do so...

Bold added for emphasis. This is a really important point. I am super glad I'm not trying to just sell general interest adult now. Focusing on specific niches does create specific patterns and needs, from an affiliate perspective.

Socks · 07-21-2013, 08:06 PM

To be fair, I can't go back to 2001 and change my business model. ;) And I wouldn't anyway, I made a killing some years.

Too late to adapt, there's much easier fish to fry than adult these days. I've written up like $75k in proposals this weekend. I just have no energy to focus on diminishing returns. It's too depressing.

fuzebox · 07-25-2013, 01:46 AM

Bumping this thread because OldJeff says everything I think but never bothered to post...

teomaxxx · 08-05-2013, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Oh and my "join date" to the industry was August 1997, and my opinions on Affiliate sales are based on analyzing 17 million affiliate joins

17 milion joins in 15 years of your industry career means at least 1 milion joins a year, means at least 2.5k joins a day and yet still posting on GFY, of course sir

07-21-2013, 08:06 PM	#55
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	To be fair, I can't go back to 2001 and change my business model. ;) And I wouldn't anyway, I made a killing some years. Too late to adapt, there's much easier fish to fry than adult these days. I've written up like $75k in proposals this weekend. I just have no energy to focus on diminishing returns. It's too depressing.

07-25-2013, 01:46 AM	#56
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,081	Bumping this thread because OldJeff says everything I think but never bothered to post...