United States a fucking joke??

[brassmonkey]

what you think?
California governor to sign driver's license bill for illegal immigrants

SACRAMENTO (Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown said on Friday he would sign a bill authorizing the state to provide driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, a last-minute reversal of his position.

Brown said he approved of the measure, which its author had withdrawn on Thursday under the threat of a veto, capping a full day of lobbying by California politicians for immigration reform at the federal level.

"This bill will enable millions of people to get to work safely and legally," Brown, a Democrat, said in an email sent to reporters shortly after midnight. "Hopefully it will send a message to Washington that immigration reform is long past due."

Over the past year, nine states and the District of Columbia have passed laws enabling undocumented immigrants to drive legally. In California, lawmakers and governors have routinely rebuffed such efforts.

Just on Thursday, Assemblyman Luis Alejo, a Democrat from the agricultural town of Salinas, told Reuters that he was withdrawing the bill he had written until next year, largely because of concerns expressed by Brown.

The governor, Alejo said, wanted to make sure the new licenses complied with federal law requiring them to clearly indicate the driver was undocumented.

For example, he said, Utah licenses for people who cannot show they are in the country legally bear the words "temporary visitor's driver license" on the front.

Alejo said he would prefer California's licenses to be more discreet, with small wording on the back indicating that the license was not to be used for identification purposes.

He withdrew the bill, promising to bring it up again next year. But late in the day on Thursday, just hours before the legislature recessed for the year, Alejo accepted amendments that would make the distinction more clear.

After Brown's objections were satisfied, both houses of the state legislature quickly passed the bill, with a number of Republicans joining the Democratic majority to vote for it.

It was approved by votes of 28-8 in the California Senate and 55-19 in the Assembly.

"We need those living here and sharing our roads to be educated and insured," said Republican state Senator Anthony Cannella. "There are both social and financial reasons to provide licenses to immigrants who are part of our communities."

Latino organizations and immigrant rights groups welcomed the measure.

Angelica Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, called it "fundamental and way overdue."

Also on Thursday, Cannella led a group calling on Republicans in the U.S. Congress to take action on broader immigration reform

full article...

[Naughty-Pages]

just woke up after an all-nighter.. way too much for me to read.. lol

[JockoHomo]

Glad to see this finally happening!

[baddog]

Fuck Jerry Brown and anyone that voted for him.

[Tom_PM]

Mixed feelings because they shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Yet if they smash a family with an illegal uninsured car.. well that's why mixed feelings.
How about putting out the fire before installing a brand new fire escape once in a while?

[LeRoy]

You're free to leave..

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by LeRoy

You're free to leave..

so are you you think this is the right move?

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

so are you you think this is the right move?

It gives them a start on Data Collection of some of them.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by pornguy

It gives them a start on Data Collection of some of them.

yeah i guess you are right. some of them are working under someones social numbers. it's a fucking mess

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

what you think?
California governor to sign driver's license bill for illegal immigrants

SACRAMENTO (Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown said on Friday he would sign a bill authorizing the state to provide driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, a last-minute reversal of his position.

Brown said he approved of the measure, which its author had withdrawn on Thursday under the threat of a veto, capping a full day of lobbying by California politicians for immigration reform at the federal level.

"This bill will enable millions of people to get to work safely and legally," Brown, a Democrat, said in an email sent to reporters shortly after midnight. "Hopefully it will send a message to Washington that immigration reform is long past due."

Over the past year, nine states and the District of Columbia have passed laws enabling undocumented immigrants to drive legally. In California, lawmakers and governors have routinely rebuffed such efforts.

Just on Thursday, Assemblyman Luis Alejo, a Democrat from the agricultural town of Salinas, told Reuters that he was withdrawing the bill he had written until next year, largely because of concerns expressed by Brown.

The governor, Alejo said, wanted to make sure the new licenses complied with federal law requiring them to clearly indicate the driver was undocumented.

For example, he said, Utah licenses for people who cannot show they are in the country legally bear the words "temporary visitor's driver license" on the front.

Alejo said he would prefer California's licenses to be more discreet, with small wording on the back indicating that the license was not to be used for identification purposes.

He withdrew the bill, promising to bring it up again next year. But late in the day on Thursday, just hours before the legislature recessed for the year, Alejo accepted amendments that would make the distinction more clear.

After Brown's objections were satisfied, both houses of the state legislature quickly passed the bill, with a number of Republicans joining the Democratic majority to vote for it.

It was approved by votes of 28-8 in the California Senate and 55-19 in the Assembly.

"We need those living here and sharing our roads to be educated and insured," said Republican state Senator Anthony Cannella. "There are both social and financial reasons to provide licenses to immigrants who are part of our communities."

Latino organizations and immigrant rights groups welcomed the measure.

Angelica Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, called it "fundamental and way overdue."

Also on Thursday, Cannella led a group calling on Republicans in the U.S. Congress to take action on broader immigration reform

full article...

so the United State walked into a bar..... and Alejo said he would prefer California's licenses to be more discreet, with small wording on the back indicating that the license was not to be used for identification purposes

[RandyRandy]

The United States used to be called the great melting pot - but the days of immigrants putting down roots, assimilating into the culture and giving more into society than taking out are long gone. Multiculturalism has replaced assimilation, and frankly, I don't see the trend reversing. Actually, I don't think we will recognize the United States 25 years from now, maybe sooner. I think a huge catalyst for this lies in the general election this November, when six Colorado Counties will vote to secede and form the 51st State, North Colorado. If this passes, I believe it will put in motion other secession votes. It will create new States where people are like-minded - assimilated if you will, like the old days. The Federal Government will do everything in it's power to stop this, because once the first domino falls, the second and subsequent dominoes fall much more easily. Civil War 2, anyone?

[Captain Kawaii]

At some point this is going to blow up in people's faces. It won't be pretty and will pretty much allow China to step into the #1 spot.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by RandyRandy

The United States used to be called the great melting pot - but the days of immigrants putting down roots, assimilating into the culture and giving more into society than taking out are long gone. Multiculturalism has replaced assimilation, and frankly, I don't see the trend reversing. Actually, I don't think we will recognize the United States 25 years from now, maybe sooner. I think a huge catalyst for this lies in the general election this November, when six Colorado Counties will vote to secede and form the 51st State, North Colorado. If this passes, I believe it will put in motion other secession votes. It will create new States where people are like-minded - assimilated if you will, like the old days. The Federal Government will do everything in it's power to stop this, because once the first domino falls, the second and subsequent dominoes fall much more easily. Civil War 2, anyone?

how do you plan on seceding, with the legality in place, that would result in immediate invasion?

and over temp driver licenses?

[Nikki_Licks]

Jerry Brown is a traitor and one big POS!

Hopefully we will see him hanging from a tree in the near future.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Jerry Brown is a traitor and one big POS!

Hopefully we will see him hanging from a tree in the near future.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

how do you plan on seceding, with the legality in place, that would result in immediate invasion?

and over temp driver licenses?

They interviewed an older woman just now on local LA news. She is upset because she was a legal immigrant who paid the fees, waited in line and came in legally. Millions of Americans see this step for drivers licenses and the push for a reform of a system not broken as treasonous.

Illegal immigrants will still not buy insurance or buy it for a month and let it lapse. This Bill is a back door way to force amnesty.

If Canada is part of NAFTA your shit storm is coming. Amnesty is the next step in realizing NAFTA.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

They interviewed an older woman just now on local LA news. She is upset because she was a legal immigrant who paid the fees, waited in line and came in legally. Millions of Americans see this step for drivers licenses and the push for a reform of a system not broken as treasonous.

Illegal immigrants will still not buy insurance or buy it for a month and let it lapse. This Bill is a back door way to force amnesty.

If Canada is part of NAFTA your shit storm is coming. Amnesty is the next step in realizing NAFTA.

we have chinese showing up in shipping containers. so do you.

but yes, 'the mexicans'.. right.

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

how do you plan on seceding, with the legality in place, that would result in immediate invasion?

and over temp driver licenses?

1. I'm not planning on seceding.

2. It's perfectly legal (but very difficult) to secede. http://rt.com/usa/north-colorado-secession-vote-745/

3. I don't believe if the vote in November is successful that an invasion is imminent. But I do believe in the very near future military action will be taken in some form against US citizens on US soil.

[Vendzilla]

Fuck,. Los Angeles county according to the last census was 49% latino
I live here and I would say it's higher than that, considering those that don't fill out census forms

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

we have chinese showing up in shipping containers. so do you.

but yes, 'the mexicans'.. right.

Come legally or stay home. It is not to much to ask. I feel this way about all ethnic groups.
I do not write letters back to Ireland or the Netherlands encouraging people to hop the fence.

This whole thing is nothing more than one world power movement in action.

Do me a favor, make a will, put me in it then move to East or South LA and live your happy go lucky 'we are the world' lifestyle. You may wish to carry a tape of it with you as the cartel and street gangs are likely unfamiliar.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Come legally or stay home.

There ya go.......................

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Come legally or stay home. It is not to much to ask. I feel this way about all ethnic groups.
I do not write letters back to Ireland or the Netherlands encouraging people to hop the fence.

This whole thing is nothing more than one world power movement in action.

Do me a favor, make a will, put me in it then move to East or South LA and live your happy go lucky 'we are the world' lifestyle. You may wish to carry a tape of it with you as the cartel and street gangs are likely unfamiliar.

that place is way too fast

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by RandyRandy

1. I'm not planning on seceding.

2. It's perfectly legal (but very difficult) to secede. http://rt.com/usa/north-colorado-secession-vote-745/

3. I don't believe if the vote in November is successful that an invasion is imminent. But I do believe in the very near future military action will be taken in some form against US citizens on US soil.

i was under the impression only two states are allowed secession rights, and the rest absolutely not.

The article you linked involves that, but doesn't specifically states it. just that it would need congressional approval.

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Come legally or stay home. It is not to much to ask. I feel this way about all ethnic groups.
I do not write letters back to Ireland or the Netherlands encouraging people to hop the fence.

This whole thing is nothing more than one world power movement in action.

Do me a favor, make a will, put me in it then move to East or South LA and live your happy go lucky 'we are the world' lifestyle. You may wish to carry a tape of it with you as the cartel and street gangs are likely unfamiliar.

where did i say otherwise?

The overall point here is illegal immigration is a problem that involves more than just Mexicans. Once you look at economic imbalance, and the reasons for it, there is other , and far better, solutions to solving this

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i was under the impression only two states are allowed secession rights, and the rest absolutely not.

The article you linked involves that, but doesn't specifically states it. just that it would need congressional approval.

You know, I used the word "secede" incorrectly when applied to the situation in Colorado. They are trying to break off 6 counties from the State of Colorado and form the 51st State, North Colorado. This is different from say, Texas saying they are seceding from the US and becoming a sovereign country. Though there is nothing in the Constitution regarding secession, the Supreme Court has always opined that it can't be done - at least in the little research that I have done.

But that's what I could see happening in the future - people breaking off and starting another State that reflects the social mores of its citizens. It wouldn't take much - statewide governmental bankruptcy, violent conflict. That's why I think the vote on North Colorado will be interesting, even though realistically it doesn't have much of a chance. Not in 2013, anyway.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by RandyRandy

You know, I used the word "secede" incorrectly when applied to the situation in Colorado. They are trying to break off 6 counties from the State of Colorado and form the 51st State, North Colorado. This is different from say, Texas saying they are seceding from the US and becoming a sovereign country. Though there is nothing in the Constitution regarding secession, the Supreme Court has always opined that it can't be done - at least in the little research that I have done.

But that's what I could see happening in the future - people breaking off and starting another State that reflects the social mores of its citizens. It wouldn't take much - statewide governmental bankruptcy, violent conflict. That's why I think the vote on North Colorado will be interesting, even though realistically it doesn't have much of a chance. Not in 2013, anyway.

that's an interesting strategy by them.. i have never heard anything on what would happen if a state would want to 'split'

in theory, why not? interesting

[CaptainHowdy]

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i was under the impression only two states are allowed secession rights, and the rest absolutely not.

The article you linked involves that, but doesn't specifically states it. just that it would need congressional approval.



where did i say otherwise?

The overall point here is illegal immigration is a problem that involves more than just Mexicans. Once you look at economic imbalance, and the reasons for it, there is other , and far better, solutions to solving this

Mexicans are fine. they are the result, not the problem. I am sure all of them and the rest of latin americans in the US wished they were back home under better conditions but the us has taken such a huge dump on latin america for the last 70 years there is nothing there for all of them. WTC attack in 2001 was actually #2 9/11. I wonder if the "terrorists" who attacked were commemorating the first one that happened 40 years back to the day in Argentina...Or if #2 was the US sending a warning to the rest of the world.

Interesting show today on NPR called Left, Right and Center. You ever check it out?

Today the Far Left and The Far Right nailed it. 20 years, though I am sure he meant 30, of open immigration for low-skilled, low educated immigrants. Add to the mix that only 1% of the top 10% have bounced back from the depression of 2008... The top 1% benefits from driving pay scales down of course. Trickle down? Sad, pathetic lie. US needs a revolution 3. It is coming definitely but I am voting with my feet and leaving.

Resolve to it? Dissolve the Federal government and execute the top 1%. They've created a world of misery in 2013. Let them reap what they have sown.

[Emil]

Sounds like something Sweden would do.

[just a punk]

Funny because right now our government is thinking on a law which will let them to extradite non-citizens for traffic infractions

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Come legally or stay home. It is not to much to ask. I feel this way about all ethnic groups.

These people agree

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

True, the United States may be a joke, but unfortunately for everyone else, the rest of the world is the punchline.

"We need those living here and sharing our roads to be educated and insured," said Republican state Senator Anthony Cannella. "There are both social and financial reasons to provide licenses to immigrants who are part of our communities."

"This bill will enable millions of people to get to work safely and legally," Brown, a Democrat, said in an email sent to reporters shortly after midnight. "Hopefully it will send a message to Washington that immigration reform is long past due."

More change is coming, so better get used to the changing demographics.

Personally, I think Jerry Brown is doing a good job under extremely difficult circumstances (best Governor we've had since Jerry "Gov. Moonbeam" Brown back in the 70's).

We could always ask Arnold to come back, but since Maria split, I guess that makes the Nanny the new First Lady of Kalifornia:





ADG

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by RandyRandy

The United States used to be called the great melting pot - but the days of immigrants putting down roots, assimilating into the culture and giving more into society than taking out are long gone. Multiculturalism has replaced assimilation, and frankly, I don't see the trend reversing. Actually, I don't think we will recognize the United States 25 years from now, maybe sooner. I think a huge catalyst for this lies in the general election this November, when six Colorado Counties will vote to secede and form the 51st State, North Colorado. If this passes, I believe it will put in motion other secession votes. It will create new States where people are like-minded - assimilated if you will, like the old days. The Federal Government will do everything in it's power to stop this, because once the first domino falls, the second and subsequent dominoes fall much more easily. Civil War 2, anyone?

your country has too strong of an army to fall in to civil war...other countries are pushed in to civil wars by foreign intervention and support of various foreign politics...civil wars do not just start by themselves, this is a huge misconception...the one in my country was planned years ahead and all the new leaders are US buttyboys with long criminal records...

the rodney king violence was for example greater than what happened in my country went to war, only the USA can send troops to the streets and send everybody the fuck home at any cost but if another country tries this its not "democratic"

what the USA really has to fear, and the rest of the world later, is robot armies...not terminator stuff but small remote controlled vehicles with m-16 strapped on them and some laser targeting and freedom from governments will be a thing of the past...countries with lots of nukes and radiation to export like russia and china will be free from the USA but the rest are pretty fucked...

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Ferus

These people agree

Pretty picture. You are wrong but you gave it a shot. - Try reading some actual Native American narratives...

Most Humans are cockroaches. I'll give you that most early Euros were no good. Not all but most.

Americans maybe by 2020 will begin to understand what is going on and why.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

what the USA really has to fear, and the rest of the world later, is robot armies...not terminator stuff but small remote controlled vehicles with m-16 strapped on them and some laser targeting and freedom from governments will be a thing of the past...countries with lots of nukes and radiation to export like russia and china will be free from the USA but the rest are pretty fucked...

A robot was announced in Boston a year or two ago. Terminator is already here. Looks frightening like the movie model and it is for real. Arstechnica covered it. Deploy-able drones manned by well armed robots is not that far off.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Pretty picture. You are wrong but you gave it a shot. - Try reading some actual Native American narratives...

Most Humans are cockroaches. I'll give you that most early Euros were no good. Not all but most.

Americans maybe by 2020 will begin to understand what is going on and why.

There are no such thing as "Native American" or anything else "Native", unless you are one step up the evolutionary ladder from a monkey. That was my point.

You want a scapegoat, and you have already found/picked one. So keep doing what you do, since it seems to have gotten you so far.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

A robot was announced in Boston a year or two ago. Terminator is already here. Looks frightening like the movie model and it is for real. Arstechnica covered it. Deploy-able drones manned by well armed robots is not that far off.

scares the shit out of me...the first army to have them will force the others to develop bacteria just to be able to defend themselves...dark dark times ahead

[Best-In-BC]

How does this make sense I wonder ? where is the justification ?

[brassmonkey]

solution go after the companies that hire illegals. you cut out the money they leave. employee worker sanctions.

check out these assholes
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/23...to-be-unsealed

[Rochard]

I don't get this either.

We already have provisions in place for people that are from out of state and out of the country so they can drive in the US. This happens a lot with people in the military; Typyically you have a DL in your home state but drive and live in another state.

The bigger problem is insurance - are any of these people insured? Most likely not. They are already breaking the law by being here, and now we are giving them official documentation allowing them drive? LOL.

This reminds me of that women in GA or where ever who got busted driving on campus without a DL. She had been here in the US most of her life illegally, went to school, got her college paid by the state, yet every day of her life she broke dozens of laws getting to and from school.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Ferus

There are no such thing as "Native American" or anything else "Native", unless you are one step up the evolutionary ladder from a monkey. That was my point.

You want a scapegoat, and you have already found/picked one. So keep doing what you do, since it seems to have gotten you so far.

Congratulations! You have been successfully brainwashed by the people who want to keep money out of your hands. Try looking at reality and cold hearted economics. That's the bible, the doctrine of the top 1%.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

solution go after the companies that hire illegals. you cut out the money they leave. employee worker sanctions.

check out these assholes
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/23...to-be-unsealed

Yep that is the only way to do it or have someone like Sheriff Joe doing the job the filthy federal government refuses to do.
The federal government is the main reason we are in the mess we are today and it all started with those fucking guest worker visas.

AND those mother fuckers from Danny's car wash should be executed! I haven't been by one of those dumps in a while, are they still open for business? Hopefully the state shut them down and sent the rats packing ;)

[winter_]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal:_Lawman

i'm pretty sure there is another steven seagal show similar to that one where he works on the border of the united states and mexico enforcing drug trafficking laws and immigration laws.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Yep that is the only way to do it or have someone like Sheriff Joe doing the job the filthy federal government refuses to do.
The federal government is the main reason we are in the mess we are today and it all started with those fucking guest worker visas.

AND those mother fuckers from Danny's car wash should be executed! I haven't been by one of those dumps in a while, are they still open for business? Hopefully the state shut them down and sent the rats packing ;)

still open
http://www.azcentral.com/business/ne...-business.html