An Australian's View on America's obsession with guns

[2MuchMark]

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemoc...4786396947748/

awesome.

[FreeHugeMovies]

Sad but true

[dyna mo]

He's welcome to stay the fuck out then. He can stay in his country and get bit by a spider/creepy crawly the size of a football.

[PaulBaker]

Australia keeps getting brought into the American gun debate but it's really not that helpful to anyone. Gun reform in Australia has been successful and in the end was relatively easy but it's Australian law for Australians.

Our attitude to guns is one of the more significant cultural differences between our two countries.

When the laws were coming in the most vocal opposition was from farmers and sport shooters that were being asked to give up semi auto hunting riffles. There wasn't the concern about giving up guns for personal protection, we didn't have them.

The average Australian couldn't tell you what's in our constitution, most don't know the words to the second verse of our national anthem. Most Australian's have an anti authority slant (comes from descending from convicts) but the idea that our military could ever be used against us is insane to us.

Most Australians believe that we enjoy more freedom without the fear of gun violence than we would have if we were armed to defend ourselves. Most generally accept that criminals have guns but that they tend to shoot each other rather than innocent bystanders.

The point of the rant is that Australia doesn't have any answers to an American issue, we generally don't relate to it or understand it. If we had been successful banning beer then we'd have something to share.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

He's welcome to stay the fuck out then. He can stay in his country and get bit by a spider/creepy crawly the size of a football.

australia 250 murders/year the USA 15,000...serbia (2nd highest gun rate in the world) = 100 murders/year...switzerland (3rd highest gun rate in the world)=46 murders/year...

[NewNick]

In 1987 in the UK we had the Hungerford massacre, after which automatic weapons were banned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre


In 1996 Dunblane, after which hand guns were banned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre


No one complained that they would not be able to protect themselves.

No one decided their rights were being violated.

No one suggested that more guns would be a sensible approach.

No one said it was a false flag operation, or that it was all made up.


Most types of gun are now banned in the UK. Legitimately held fire arms are heavily regulated. Penalties for illegal weapons are severe.




Dunblane Shooting.

On the morning of Wednesday 13 March 1996, ex-scout leader Thomas Hamilton, aged 43, was witnessed scraping ice off his van at approximately 8:15 am outside his home at Kent Road in Stirling. He left a short time afterwards and drove approximately 5 miles (8.0 km) north to Dunblane in his white van. He arrived on the grounds of Dunblane Primary School at around 9:30 am and parked his van near to a telegraph pole in the car park of the school. Hamilton severed the cables at the bottom of the telegraph pole, which served nearby houses, with a set of pliers before making his way across the car park towards the school buildings.

Hamilton headed towards the northwest side of the school to a door near toilets and the school gymnasium. After gaining entry, he made his way to the gymnasium armed with four legally held handguns; two 9mm Browning HP pistols and two Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolvers. He was also carrying 743 cartridges of ammunition. In the gym was a class of twenty-eight Primary 1 pupils preparing for a P.E. lesson in the presence of three adult members of staff. Before entering the gymnasium, it is believed he fired two shots into the stage of the assembly hall and the girls' toilet. Upon entering the gymnasium, Hamilton was about to be confronted by Eileen Harrild, the P.E. teacher in charge of the lesson, before he started shooting rapidly and randomly. He shot Harrild, who sustained injuries to her arms and chest as she attempted to protect herself, and continued shooting into the gymnasium. Harrild managed to stumble into the open plan store cupboard at the side of the gym along with several injured children. Gwen Mayor, the teacher of the Primary 1 class, was shot and killed instantly. The other present adult, Mary Blake, a supervisory assistant, was shot in the head and both legs but also managed to make her way to the store cupboard with several of the children in front of her.

From entering the gymnasium and walking a few steps, Hamilton had fired 29 shots with one of the pistols and killed one child and injured several others. Four injured children had managed to shelter in the store cupboard along with the injured Harrild and Blake. Hamilton then advanced up the east side of the gym, firing six shots as he walked and then fired eight shots towards the opposite end of the gym. He then proceeded towards the centre of the gym, firing 16 shots at point-blank range at a group of children who had been incapacitated by his earlier shots.

A Primary 7 pupil who was walking along the west side of the gym building at the time heard loud bangs and screams and looked inside the gym. Hamilton shot in his direction and the pupil was injured by flying glass before running away. From this position, Hamilton fired 24 cartridges in various directions. He fired shots towards a window next to the fire exit at the south-east end of the gym, possibly at an adult who was walking across the playground, and then fired four more shots in the same direction after opening the fire exit door. Hamilton then exited the gym briefly through the fire exit, firing another four shots towards the cloakroom of the library, striking and injuring Grace Tweddle, another member of staff at the school.

In the mobile classroom closest to the fire exit where Hamilton was standing, Catherine Gordon saw him firing shots and instructed her Primary 7 class to get down onto the floor before Hamilton fired nine bullets into the classroom, striking books and equipment. One bullet passed through a chair where a child had been sitting seconds beforehand.[2] Hamilton then reentered the gym, dropped the pistol he was using, and equipped himself with one of the two revolvers. He put the barrel of the gun in his mouth, pointed it upwards, and pulled the trigger, killing himself. A total of 32 people sustained gunshot wounds inflicted by Hamilton over a 3?4 minute period, 16 of whom were fatally wounded in the gymnasium, which included Gwen Mayor and 15 of her pupils. One other child died later en route to hospital.

[AllAboutCams]

[charlie g]

who care what he thinks? tobacco is far more dangerous than hand guns, kills more innocent people and is far more obtrusive to the general public's health and well being. that issue should be tackled long before handguns

[slapass]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

australia 250 murders/year the USA 15,000...serbia (2nd highest gun rate in the world) = 100 murders/year...switzerland (3rd highest gun rate in the world)=46 murders/year...

Switzerland doesn't give you ammo though. It is not oranges to oranges.

[j3rkules]

To each their own.

[bronco67]

Guns were crucial to the genesis of our nation. That's the difference between Australia and America when it comes to guns. We won't ever get rid of them because there'd be a civil war.

But we could have a lot less of them floating around everywhere. At the very least...it should just be SUPER hard to get one.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by slapass

Switzerland doesn't give you ammo though. It is not oranges to oranges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_po...in_Switzerland


"However, it is generally not permitted to keep army-issued ammunition, but compatible ammunition purchased for privately owned guns is permitted.
In order to purchase Ammunition the buyer must follows the same legal rules like for buying guns. The buyer can only buy munition for guns he/she is legally owning and must provide the following information to the seller "

You can get ammo in serbia too but its pricey at 40cents/bullet

[SuckOnThis]

Fox News host: People in Australia ?have no freedom? because hate speech and guns are regulated

[PaulBaker]

That Fox News guy actually said you can't own guns in Australia and people go to prison for expressing unpopular views. That's fucking hilarious.

We owe you America for taking Rupert.

[12clicks]

why do women from other countries keep posting this shit?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do women from other countries keep posting this shit?

[Jel]

again - not my view, but here's the full clip which is pretty funny from a purely comic standpoint...

[brassmonkey]

stfu

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by PaulBaker

We owe you America for taking Rupert.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

australia 250 murders/year the USA 15,000...serbia (2nd highest gun rate in the world) = 100 murders/year...switzerland (3rd highest gun rate in the world)=46 murders/year...

pull out black on black gun murders and watch that stats drop to lower than Switzerland

[Bryan G]

Regardless your stance on guns. It is fucking hilarious.

[CDSmith]

People continually attempt to apply standards in other countries to the U.S. It doesn't wash for several reasons and makes about as much sense as using french fries for roofing nails.

There isn't any way in hell that tens of millions of American legal gun owners are going to willingly turn over all their weapons. Arguing this point is the dead part of the beating a dead horse analogy.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by charlie g

who care what he thinks? tobacco is far more dangerous than hand guns, kills more innocent people and is far more obtrusive to the general public's health and well being. that issue should be tackled long before handguns

Guns are the 10th leading cause of death in the US - General health - The 25 Most Common Causes of Death - MedHelp

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by PaulBaker

When the laws were coming in the most vocal opposition was from farmers and sport shooters that were being asked to give up semi auto hunting riffles. There wasn't the concern about giving up guns for personal protection, we didn't have them.

There is a difference between sport shooters and semi auto hunting rifles.

Sport shooters use "sport rifles" which are really assault rifles that are not fully automatic. I don't care what you call them; An assault rifle is an assault rifle period. Call it anything you want, but an AR15 is an assault rifle no matter what want to call it.

Originally Posted by PaulBaker

The average Australian couldn't tell you what's in our constitution, most don't know the words to the second verse of our national anthem. Most Australian's have an anti authority slant (comes from descending from convicts) but the idea that our military could ever be used against us is insane to us.

No one in the United States thinks our military would turn against us, and in the even they do all of the firearms we have will not come close to matching up to what our military has.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

pull out black on black gun murders and watch that stats drop to lower than Switzerland

somehow with all the school shootings, you guys average 1/day this year, I highly doubt that...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

somehow with all the school shootings, you guys average 1/day this year, I highly doubt that...

Like any of us give a shit about anything you think.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Call it anything you want, but an AR15 is an assault rifle no matter what want to call it.

Defense rifle.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do women from other countries keep posting this shit?

[JJ Gold]

I love how the residents of 2 bit countries like Canada and Australia think we could give a fuck about their opinions.

These nations would cease to exist if not for the kindness and benevolence of the United States.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do women from other countries keep posting this shit?

Bahhardeeharhar...

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do women from other countries keep posting this shit?

Because you faggots are so scared of your own shadows that you need assault rifles to "protect" yourselves.

They should put some viagra in the water, you might find that you feel better about yourself when you can manage an erection unarmed.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Like any of us give a shit about anything you think.

did I hit a nerve with the 1 mass shooting per day? dude the last mass shooting we had, over 4 people as per US classification of mass shootings was I think never...I have some friends in the police ill try to dig it up for you not talking about school this is only USA crap LOL I am talking about 4 people being killed at once I will not ask for school shooting this would make me sound crazy

I know of 4 people being shot back in the 90-s it was one criminal who killed 4...it was in the newspapers for weeks...but over 4? LOL... just to remind you we are a 3rd world war torn shit hole with the 2nd highest guns/person in the world...

I knew the guy who shot the 4 people he lived in my block, he went on to be a paid killer for the mob in spain, then he got killed...he is also responsible for the only school shooting we ever had, it was 2 guys who took his football tickets, he went home, got his dads gun, and shot just the 2 guys in the school yard...it was also in the 90-s...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk

[MK Ultra]

Originally Posted by Rochard

There is a difference between sport shooters and semi auto hunting rifles.

Sport shooters use "sport rifles" which are really assault rifles that are not fully automatic. I don't care what you call them; An assault rifle is an assault rifle period. Call it anything you want, but an AR15 is an assault rifle no matter what want to call it.

So when are you going to turn your AR15s over to the police? That way you can continue to call for restricting/banning them without being such a flaming hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Rochard

No one in the United States thinks our military would turn against us, and in the even they do all of the firearms we have will not come close to matching up to what our military has.

Once again the point goes completely over your head.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

...

I don't bother reading more than one sentence of anything you write. It's all the same retard Serb logic crap.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't bother reading more than one sentence of anything you write. It's all the same retard Serb logic crap.

I hit a nerve with the 1 mass shooting/day didnt I?

(had to wipe out some of your smileys so I could fit mine LOL)

[TheSquealer]

Wonder what his opinion is on the ********** obsession with America?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I hit a nerve with the 1 mass shooting/day didnt I?

(had to wipe out some of your smileys so I could fit mine LOL)

[DBS.US]

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including nearly 42,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.
CDC - Fact Sheet - Fast Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

He's welcome to stay the fuck out then. He can stay in his country and get bit by a spider/creepy crawly the size of a football.

Indeed...fuck him and tell him he can stay home and fuck some kangaroo cunt!

[PaulBaker]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Sport shooters use "sport rifles" which are really assault rifles that are not fully automatic. I don't care what you call them; An assault rifle is an assault rifle period. Call it anything you want, but an AR15 is an assault rifle no matter what want to call it.

It's just a difference in terminology. 'Assault riffles' weren't an issue here as they were never readily available. By sport shooters, I'm not referring to a type of gun but to the activity like target shooting, competition etc.

The activities are still perfectly legal. The laws were about tougher licensing and gun storage regulations, the ban was on self-loading rifles and hand-guns how ever you want to refer to them.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by baddog

Guns are the 10th leading cause of death in the US - General health - The 25 Most Common Causes of Death - MedHelp

Indeed more assholes die from falling out of bed at home than from guns...lets take away people's bed and force them to sleep on the floor "for their own good"...what a load of shit!

Crazy people will always find a way to kill someone...with whatever...they are fucking crazy...get it!

When will people wake up and smell the fucking gunpowder!

We don't need no fucking pacifist pussies around here...just wait for the alien invasion and you will fucking wish you were armed...well, American's will be while the rest of the fucking world become alien taste treats and begs the US to save them from the hungry aliens!

[JJ Gold]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Indeed more assholes die from falling out of bed at home than from guns...lets take away people's bed and force them to sleep on the floor "for their own good"...what a load of shit!

Crazy people will always find a way to kill someone...with whatever...they are fucking crazy...get it!

When will people wake up and smell the fucking gunpowder!

We don't need no fucking pacifist pussies around here...just wait for the alien invasion and you will fucking wish you were armed...well, American's will be while the rest of the fucking world become alien taste treats and begs the US to save them from the hungry aliens!

Spot on! Quoted for motherfuckin truth!

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Fox News host: People in Australia ?have no freedom? because hate speech and guns are regulated

That is the best comedy video i've ever watched.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by baddog

Guns are the 10th leading cause of death in the US - General health - The 25 Most Common Causes of Death - MedHelp

Might want to learn how to read first skippy.

Odds of dying, that isn't the list of "leading cause of death in the US", it lists the ODDS of dying.

So for example.

*If* you self harm, the odds of dying are 1 in 115. That is entirely different to 1 in 115 of the population dying from self harm because 100% of people do not self harm.

*if* you are in a car accident, the odds of dying are 1 in 272 - starting to get it now?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Might want to learn how to read first skippy.

Odds of dying, that isn't the list of "leading cause of death in the US", it lists the ODDS of dying.

So for example.

*If* you self harm, the odds of dying are 1 in 115. That is entirely different to 1 in 115 of the population dying from self harm because 100% of people do not self harm.

*if* you are in a car accident, the odds of dying are 1 in 272 - starting to get it now?

Okay Shelia - https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/facts_issues/toll_us/

Annual Causes of Death in the United States | Drug War Facts

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by baddog

Okay Shelia - https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/facts_issues/toll_us/

Annual Causes of Death in the United States | Drug War Facts

Better, well done.

I wonder how many of those stats overlap

ie

Alcoholic Liver Disease [subset of Chronic Liver Disease]

and

Alcohol-Induced Deaths

as just one example

Interesting wording here *Injury by Firearms*

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by baddog

Guns are the 10th leading cause of death in the US - General health - The 25 Most Common Causes of Death - MedHelp

Just a death or a violent death?

In 2010, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were conducted using a firearm.

In 2010, gun violence cost U.S. taxpayers approximately $516 million in direct hospital costs

[lock]

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

I love how the residents of 2 bit countries like Canada and Australia think we could give a fuck about their opinions.

These nations would cease to exist if not for the kindness and benevolence of the United States.

Drag us into your wars then.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

somehow with all the school shootings, you guys average 1/day this year, I highly doubt that...

I guess you would be an authority on the subject. You fuckings Serbs have mass shooting and killing so perfected, it's like a fucking art form over there.

You guys are even professionals at mass raping.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

you do realize serbia was not in that war at all dont you, you ignorant fuck LOL its very amusing that you post anything as an american, whos official army, has killed millions upon millions of civilians oh pissant your argument has such a small penis that you would need an electron microscope to find it:

"mericans are the worlds #1 bomb droppers and terrorists and have killed millions but a country next to serbia had 8000 killed by the paramilitary" LOL

serbia: mass shootings 1 (does not really qualify it was 4 guys, you need over 4 for it to be mass shooting) and it was in the 90-s

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

You guys are even professionals at mass raping.

chubby dindu, the USA has 20-40 times the rape rate serbia does oh and you guys had 100.000 gay rapes (LOLOLOLOLOL) just in prison...

its funny an american should open his mouth to speak about rape LOL