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MaDalton · 05-12-2014, 03:46 PM

I think you all waste a lot of time and energy on things that are so common in other countries that we don't even think about it - like a picture ID and health insurance.

meanwhile you carry guns and pay with cheques...

Is it really 2014 already over there?

(j/k - don't shoot me

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Robbie · 05-12-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

I think you all waste a lot of time and energy on things that are so common in other countries that we don't even think about it - like a picture ID and health insurance.

meanwhile you carry guns and pay with cheques...

Is it really 2014 already over there?

(j/k - don't shoot me

)

"We" don't carry guns. lol

I have a gun. It lives in my closet in case anyone ever breaks in.

From what I could see on Google there are approximately 6 million Americans with concealed weapons licenses. Most of them are law enforcement officers who carry a gun when off duty.

There are over 300 million people in the U.S.

So no, the vast majority of people here don't carry a gun like it's a cowboy movie.

As for "paying with a check". Yeah, if you're a company paying your bills.

But normal people? When I was a kid I remembered people carried around their wallet-sized checkbooks. These days? It's all credit and debit cards.

I think you might be generalizing and using cliches.

CDSmith · 05-12-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

I think you all waste a lot of time and energy on things that are so common in other countries that we don't even think about it - like a picture ID and health insurance.

Ha, read my mind. I've been voting here in Canada since the early 80's, and have had to show my ID EVERY . FUCKING . TIME. Not once have I ever heard anyone start spouting racism over it.

Then again it really isn't surprising in this day and age of entitlement in the U.S. Haven't you heard? There's racism everywhere and in all things, at least according to Sharpton and Jackson.

MaDalton · 05-12-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I think you might be generalizing and using cliches.

dyna mo · 05-12-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

I think you all waste a lot of time and energy on things that are so common in other countries that we don't even think about it - like a picture ID and health insurance.

meanwhile you carry guns and pay with cheques...

Is it really 2014 already over there?

(j/k - don't shoot me

)

nothing worse than being on line at the grocer behind a little old lady paying with a check. They NEVER even start to dig their checkbook out of their purse until they hear the total, then it's dig dig dig to find it, then scroll scroll scroll to the next blank check, then dig dig dig for a pen, then begins the delicate writing out of data on check. then tearing it off ever soooooooooooooo slowly so it doesn't tear.

MaDalton · 05-12-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

nothing worse than being on line at the grocer behind a little old lady paying with a check. They NEVER even start to dig their checkbook out of their purse until they hear the total, then it's dig dig dig to find it, then scroll scroll scroll to the next blank check, then dig dig dig for a pen, then begins the delicate writing out of data on check. then tearing it off ever soooooooooooooo slowly so it doesn't tear.

over here people pay amounts like $2 by credit card, equally annoying because you have to wait for the connection, entering PIN code etc.

drives me crazy and seriously: who doesn't carry at least 10-20 bucks in cash?

mopek1 · 05-12-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Their motivation is besides the point - the Democrats are no better,

No way.

The motivation IS the point.

All you people (Robbie, Mutt, Grapesoda, L-Pink, sperbonzo) are calling out the democrats on this issue and you are all correct that they ARE using race when race is not an issue.

But you do not call out the republicans for their motivation. Pretending to care about electoral reform when really it's to gain an advantage. By taking the issue of voter ID and defending it like you all are you are supporting a political position that is opportunist. It is not consistent. Because of that you are not about fairness and consistency but rather - "This is logical right now (voter id) and so let's pay attention to it right now because it gives us an advantage right now and if it comes up in the future and is not advantageous to us then we'll ignore it. If it happened in the past and wasn't advantageous to us we'll forget it.)

That is not about what is right but about what is good for the republicans and you are helping to push their agenda by arguing this and bashing one side only.

L-Pink · 05-12-2014, 04:35 PM

I'm supporting common sense.

brentbacardi · 05-12-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

over here people pay amounts like $2 by credit card, equally annoying because you have to wait for the connection, entering PIN code etc.

drives me crazy and seriously: who doesn't carry at least 10-20 bucks in cash?

I don't mind paying with cash but only if its exact. I avoid change as much as possible. So if its $2 I may pay with cash but if its $2.32 I will definitely pay with my card.

I also get 2% cash back so I use my card on everything too so that I can get the cash back.

dyna mo · 05-12-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

over here people pay amounts like $2 by credit card, equally annoying because you have to wait for the connection, entering PIN code etc.

drives me crazy and seriously: who doesn't carry at least 10-20 bucks in cash?

many smaller places here charge an extra fee if the transaction is under $5 or $10 and the customer uses a cc/debit card, so it discourages those small transactions too it seems

checks, though, it seems to me are mostly used by senior citizens and in some specific payment situations. I know many businesses charge a convenience fee if you pay a utility bill via internet, I know, insane, nevertheless, so peeps end up writing out check and snail mailing that. The convenience fee is just a shitty way of getting more cash from a customer.

mopek1 · 05-12-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I'm supporting common sense.

Then on this issue that would mean you support neither party's position.

MaDalton · 05-12-2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brentbacardi

I don't mind paying with cash but only if its exact. I avoid change as much as possible. So if its $2 I may pay with cash but if its $2.32 I will definitely pay with my card.

I also get 2% cash back so I use my card on everything too so that I can get the cash back.

at least at you i could yell, here no one understands me

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

many smaller places here charge an extra fee if the transaction is under $5 or $10 and the customer uses a cc/debit card, so it discourages those small transactions too it seems

checks, though, it seems to me are mostly used by senior citizens and in some specific payment situations. I know many businesses charge a convenience fee if you pay a utility bill via internet, I know, insane, nevertheless, so peeps end up writing out check and snail mailing that. The convenience fee is just a shitty way of getting more cash from a customer.

I think the last time I used a check was before 2000. We occasionally receive them from clients and everytime it's big drama at our bank because only one person there knows what to do with them

L-Pink · 05-12-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Take it easy... jesus fucking christ. Don't you find it interesting that black, brown and young people tend to vote democratic, and the GOP wants to make it harder for them to vote, claiming voter fraud when there is hardly any? For the conspiracy-minded types at GFY this should be a no brainer.

What i find interesting is you saying blacks, browns and young people are inculpable of obtaining id?

nice

…. should these guys be able to vote too? https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1140498

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kane · 05-12-2014, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

nothing worse than being on line at the grocer behind a little old lady paying with a check. They NEVER even start to dig their checkbook out of their purse until they hear the total, then it's dig dig dig to find it, then scroll scroll scroll to the next blank check, then dig dig dig for a pen, then begins the delicate writing out of data on check. then tearing it off ever soooooooooooooo slowly so it doesn't tear.

I seem to always get behind this woman in the express lane when I am in a hurry.

The other day I got behind a woman who got into a big argument with the cashier over the price of an item. She had grabbed the wrong item off the shelf and then was pissed when she didn't get it at the sale price. After getting her the correct item and finally getting it all straightened out she then pulls out the check book. I was trying to get home for the start of a game and could only shake my head in disbelief.

2MuchMark · 05-12-2014, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

What i find interesting is you saying blacks, browns and young people are inculpable of obtaining id?

nice

?. should these guys be able to vote too? https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1140498

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I didn't say they were incapable. I'm saying the Republicans changed the laws and are making it harder for younger people and minorities to vote, in a feeble attempt to help them win elections that they cannot possible win on merits alone.

Just Alex · 05-12-2014, 07:30 PM

"You know, a stereotype isn?t a stereotype if it?s true and racial profiling isn?t racial profiling if it?s true, it?s only racial profiling if it?s wrong. "

- George Lopez

Robbie · 05-12-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

I didn't say they were incapable. I'm saying the Republicans changed the laws and are making it harder for younger people and minorities to vote, in a feeble attempt to help them win elections that they cannot possible win on merits alone.

How do you figure it is "harder" for young people and minorities to have an ID?

Your logic is totally screwed on that.

Every state in the union...you go to the DMV. You get a state issued photo ID card in a few minutes very cheap...and if you are homeless or can't afford it, they waive the fees in every state that I looked up.

If they think it's "hard" for them to get an ID card...then I fear for them when they actually ever have to do SOMETHING in life. It might be too "hard"?

Your statements are both racist and now also age-discriminatory. You think minorities and 18 year olds are too lazy and stupid to go to the DMV and spend an hour getting an ID.

Think about what you are saying Mark...that is really what you are insinuating.

Robbie · 05-12-2014, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

All you people (Robbie, Mutt, Grapesoda, L-Pink, sperbonzo) are calling out the democrats on this issue and you are all correct that they ARE using race when race is not an issue.

But you do not call out the republicans for their motivation.

Damn....I'm one of those "people"? Is that racist? lol

And yes I have pointed out the Republican motivation. Over and over in this thread I have said time and again...this is about "illegal immigrants" getting to vote.

And I said (look for yourself), that there is one party that gives things away for "free" and one party that does not.

The Dems know who an illegal immigrant would vote for and so do the Republicans.
It's totally political.

But as usual...the DNC lovers in here are pretending it's not. THEY are the ones pretending that the Democrats are just looking out for poor "minorities" who are being "supressed" by having to go to their local DMV and get a freakin' ID.

And I'm pointing out over and over...that getting an ID is easy and cheap to do. And that most people have an ID anyway.

You are the one trying to make it into some kind of political statement. Not me.
Republicans don't want to let illegals vote because they know they will vote for Dems.
Dems don't want people to show ID because they have a long history of signing up non-existent and dead people to vote AND they know that illegals will vote for them also.

Neither "side" gives a shit about you or me. Never have and never will.

Now back to the issue and original question:
It is NOT racist to think people should show an ID. It's NOT "voter suppression" to show ID either.

Every state in the union is set up so you can go to your local DMV and get a state issued photo ID in minutes for a few dollars.
Not hard, not expensive, and doesn't take long.

Why on Earth would the Democrats NOT want people to show ID?
Gee, I wonder why...

mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Damn....I'm one of those "people"? Is that racist? lol

You weren't paying attention to what I've been saying.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And yes I have pointed out the Republican motivation. Over and over in this thread I have said time and again...this is about "illegal immigrants" getting to vote.

Again you weren't paying attention to what I've been saying.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

But as usual...the DNC lovers in here are pretending it's not. THEY are the ones pretending that the Democrats are just looking out for poor "minorities" who are being "supressed" by having to go to their local DMV and get a freakin' ID.

I don't see that in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And I'm pointing out over and over...that getting an ID is easy and cheap to do. And that most people have an ID anyway.

That's nice. Maybe good for another discussion but not the point people are trying to make here.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Republicans don't want to let illegals vote because they know they will vote for Dems.
Dems don't want people to show ID because they have a long history of signing up non-existent and dead people to vote AND they know that illegals will vote for them also.

Neither "side" gives a shit about you or me. Never have and never will.

Yes finally. But it's not just illegals.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Now back to the issue and original question:
It is NOT racist to think people should show an ID. It's NOT "voter suppression" to show ID either.

I have been also saying that it is not racist.

But I do believe it is voter suppression because of the other groups aside from illegals who are affected.

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

You weren't paying attention to what I've been saying.

Again you weren't paying attention to what I've been saying.

I don't see that in this thread.

That's nice. Maybe good for another discussion but not the point people are trying to make here.

Yes finally. But it's not just illegals.

I have been also saying that it is not racist.

But I do believe it is voter suppression because of the other groups aside from illegals who are affected.

if a person isn't interested enough in the privilege of voting enough to get ID why in the fuck do you care if they vote of not if they don't fucking care? that's totally on them... or are thinking people aren't responsible for their actions?

arock10 · 05-13-2014, 04:46 AM

33 states don't require you to have an ID to buy assault rifles
0 states allow you to vote without providing some sort of identification

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201.../2550851/guns/
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/clin...ns_and_voting/

Yes, it's easier to buy an assault rifle in many states then it is to vote.

'Murica fuck ya!

arock10 · 05-13-2014, 05:03 AM

arock10 · 05-13-2014, 05:08 AM

I'm assuming it's to preserve the second amendment rights of dead people and illegal immigrants to buy and bare arms

Jel · 05-13-2014, 05:10 AM

I'm still at a loss as to why the fuss? It doesn't matter who gets in, who can/can't vote, the end result is the same anyway. Or is it that people are up in arms because they don't have a say in who it is that fucks them over?

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

I'm assuming it's to preserve the second amendment rights of dead people and illegal immigrants to buy and bare arms

if a person isn't interested enough in the privilege of voting enough to get ID why in the fuck do you care if they vote of not if they don't fucking care? that's totally on them... or are thinking people aren't responsible for their actions?

mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

if a person isn't interested enough in the privilege of voting enough to get ID why in the fuck do you care if they vote of not if they don't fucking care? that's totally on them... or are thinking people aren't responsible for their actions?

My beef is not with these people.

EngineCash · 05-13-2014, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

this is the weirdest fucking thing I've heard in some time.... asking some clown to pull out his ID is racism?

"Democrats argue that the laws are intended to keep poor voters away from the polls because they often have difficulty obtaining identification"

-- well how the fuck do they get Medicare, food stamps, HUD housing? without some prof of identity?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/us...w&rref=us&_r=0

You are totally right. I don't get it also...

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

My beef is not with these people.

so your beef is the peeps that had the fucking nerve to ask people to take responsibility for their actions then?

sperbonzo · 05-13-2014, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

I didn't say they were incapable. I'm saying the Republicans changed the laws and are making it harder for younger people and minorities to vote, in a feeble attempt to help them win elections that they cannot possible win on merits alone.

It's interesting that you are saying this.... So then the hieghtened background checks for owning a gun (which is also a right), are an attempt to keep minorities from owning guns?

(by the way, that infographic about being able to buy a rifle without ID, ONLY applies to the private sale between two individuals in a private setting. There is NOWHERE in the US where you can walk into a gun store, (or into a gun show), and buy a gun without ID. NOWHERE.

Anyone that wants to try to do that, please let us know how it goes.

(Actually all present gun control laws originally evolved from laws intended specifically to keep guns out of the hands of blacks and hispanics, but that is another conversation)

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2MuchMark · 05-13-2014, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It's interesting that you are saying this.... So then the hieghtened background checks for owning a gun (which is also a right), are an attempt to keep minorities from owning guns?

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No, but you bring up an interesting parallel. Republicans are pushing for tighter voting rights because it benefits a very few. The NRA is lobbying for softer gun control because it too benefits a very few.

mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so your beef is the peeps that had the fucking nerve to ask people to take responsibility for their actions then?

No.

This thread was meant as another venue to bash democrats and the people I called out in it are all guilty of this.

The guise is electoral fairness (i.e. voter ID) and the absurdity of calling it racist.

In isolation you are all correct.

However nothing happens in isolation and by ignoring all the other aspects of the issue you are furthering the republican agenda instead of calling out both sides equally.

sperbonzo · 05-13-2014, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

No, but you bring up an interesting parallel. Republicans are pushing for tighter voting rights because it benefits a very few. The NRA is lobbying for softer gun control because it too benefits a very few.

I don't follow your logic. By that same token then, the Democrats are pushing for tighter gun control because it benefits the very few.... i.e. those that can afford ID.

....and for that matter, if the Democrats had their way fully with guns, then only the wealthy and political elites could afford to protect themselves with armed guards, and everyone else would have to just wait for the police to show up, hopefully at some point.

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Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

No.

This thread was meant as another venue to bash democrats and the people I called out in it are all guilty of this.

The guise is electoral fairness (i.e. voter ID) and the absurdity of calling it racist.

In isolation you are all correct.

However nothing happens in isolation and by ignoring all the other aspects of the issue you are furthering the republican agenda instead of calling out both sides equally.

I have no idea what the republicans are 'up to' .. but as Ma Dalton and few other pointed out.... it's perfectly legitimate to present ID to vote... and I agree with that... when people or groups state that it's racism to expect/demand one segment of the population to function at the same level as the rest of us... well.... it's very strange indeed...

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I don't follow your logic. By that same token then, the Democrats are pushing for tighter gun control because it benefits the very few.... i.e. those that can afford ID.

(BTW it's not the price of ID it's the total lack of interest)

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....and for that matter, if the Democrats had their way fully with guns, then only the wealthy and political elites could afford to protect themselves with armed guards, and everyone else would have to just wait for the police to show up, hopefully at some point.

at some point Mark will have to stop doing mental jumping jacks and accept reality...

Robbie · 05-13-2014, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

There is NOWHERE in the US where you can walk into a gun store, (or into a gun show), and buy a gun without ID. NOWHERE.

EXACTLY. That lame ass gun excuse about voter ID is total bullshit.

On the gun issue...they are talking about me selling someone a gun in PRIVATE. No govt. involved, no store involved.

And I got news on that...it happens EVERYWHERE around the world. People buy guns from other people. Legal or not.

This discussion has reached depths of foolishness that make it impossible to have any debate.

Here is the reality ONE MORE TIME:
It is EASY, CHEAP, and QUICK to get a state issued photo ID in every state of the union.

Using your BRAINS...that should tell you that anyone who wants an ID can easily get it. And also, the vast, vast majority of all adults who are not in jail or have some sort of mental incapacity...HAVE AN ID ALREADY.

There really is nothing more to argue here. If you can PROVE that it's somehow difficult in the very least for a "minority" or "poor" person to get an ID in any state of the union then you would have a logical argument.

You can't. And you don't.

mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I have no idea what the republicans are 'up to' .. but as Ma Dalton and few other pointed out.... it's perfectly legitimate to present ID to vote... and I agree with that... when people or groups state that it's racism to expect/demand one segment of the population to function at the same level as the rest of us... well.... it's very strange indeed...

Yes but again you are focusing on one small point to the exclusion of the whole.

dyna mo · 05-13-2014, 09:37 AM

this graphic is so misleading it's laughable!

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mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

This discussion has reached depths of foolishness that make it impossible to have any debate.

Here is the reality ONE MORE TIME:
It is EASY, CHEAP, and QUICK to get a state issued photo ID in every state of the union.

It is foolish and hard for most to realize because their heads are stuck so far up the GOP's asses.

I.D. is cheap and easy for most to get.

But if you are poor, spending $30 a person or so is A LOT of money that they don't have. Now if you have 5 in your family there is no way they could afford $150. Plus someone has to take time off work and perhaps spend money for transportation to a state office. Do Republicans suggest that gov pay or help pay for it and suggest strategies so that every person who has a hard time getting ID can? Of course not. They don't want those people to vote! (BTW I'm not even talking about illegals)

It can be done but understand it is a HURDLE.

Just like closing or shortening early voting and Sunday voting.

Put a few hurdles together and it makes it difficult.

There are also many old people who have no birth certificate because it wasn't always as common back then to issue them, and without it can't get proper photo ID today since they stopped driving. Another hurdle.

NOW ... stay with me please ...

Let's pull back and stand further from the big picture. Republicans are trying to win this one little point (I.D.) in the popular media to be able to push all the other hurdles through that come with it ...

Let's pull back some more.

If they were so concerned with fairness, why not open up the whole process and create laws and inquiries into past allegations and present loopholes/problems. Republicans don't do that because it doesn't favor them.

So, I will not support a motion from a group who put out one legitimate point (requiring I.D.) so they can then put through a few dirty tricks along with it and who do not care one bit about the issue when it does not favor them.

sperbonzo · 05-13-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

It is foolish and hard for most to realize because their heads are stuck so far up the GOP's asses.

I.D. is cheap and easy for most to get.

But if you are poor, spending $30 a person or so is A LOT of money that they don't have. Now if you have 5 in your family there is no way they could afford $150.

All this sounds fine.... Except that, not only does it cost less than $6-$10 for a state ID, (not a drivers license, just a photo ID) , but also pretty much every state has a program which will issue them free for people with low incomes.... Just wanted to point that out.

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Robbie · 05-13-2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

It is foolish and hard for most to realize because their heads are stuck so far up the GOP's asses.

I.D. is cheap and easy for most to get.

But if you are poor, spending $30 a person or so is A LOT of money that they don't have. Now if you have 5 in your family there is no way they could afford $150. Plus someone has to take time off work and perhaps spend money for transportation to a state office.

Had to stop your foolishness right there.

I've pointed out SEVERAL times in this thread...to get a State ID you simply go to your LOCAL DMV.
Depending on your age the price varies. Here in Nevada (again I'm having to type this...so I'll do it real slow for you so you don't miss it this time) the cost is:
Under 18 years old: $9.25.
18 – 64 years old: $21.25.
65 years old or older: $7.25.

Now let me address that "family of 5" bullshit.

I have a "family of four". Me, my wife, and two kids.
That would be TWO people needing ID to vote. Not FOUR. Or as you said...five.

Now assuming that both people have incomes...and are 18 to 64 years old...That would cost them a grand total of $42.50

As for "transportation"...it's at the LOCAL DMV. Not some far away magical place that's hard to get to.

And AGAIN...all the states have programs that waive the fee for the ID if you are too poor to afford it.

There is NO excuse. But YOUR head is so far up the DNC's ass that YOU are saying things on here that make you sound like you don't even live in the real world.

Sorry to have to say that to you. But you haven't been shy in insulting me one little bit.
So there you have it. The things you are typing in this thread sound dumb to me. They are based on nothing. And you just ignore the FACTS on getting an ID that I keep telling you over an over.

Use google. Find out for yourself from the official govt. website of a state...not some info you get from MSNBC, the DNC, or a far left blogger.

EDIT: One other thing about your foolish comment...You said that they would have to take time off from work to go get their ID (once every 8 years by the way). Well BOO-FUCKING-HOO. Everybody else has to take time off of work to get their driver's license renewed too. And a million other little things in life that sometimes require you to put a TINY amount of effort and inconvenience to get them done.

And if they can't even take ONE day every EIGHT YEARS to get their ID...then how the fuck are they going to take one day to vote? The logic of your argument makes my head spin with the idiocy of it.

mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 12:08 PM

Is all anyone sees is the ID issue ??

Seriously?

You guys would be eaten up voraciously in a real debate.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ID

You continue to 'focus' on that one little point while ignoring the rest, no matter how many times I spell it out. Thus 'hopeless'

As for Dems I am not defending them. I said that they 'used' race as an excuse but you all didn't read anything else I said.

It's like talking to school kids who have an attention span of 4.5 seconds.

L-Pink · 05-13-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

Is all anyone sees is the ID issue ??

Seriously?

You guys would be eaten up voraciously in a real debate.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ID

Read the title of the thread.

Robbie · 05-13-2014, 12:13 PM

mopek1, you are the one who IS being eaten up in this debate.

The post asks the question: Is it racist to ask for ID to vote.

You are the one who is talking about something else...nobody is quite sure WHAT you are talking about. But you seemed focused on something.

You're just not very good at communicating it.

Best I can tell... you hate Republicans and they are evil.

Other than that...I've shown you over and over and over that the point is MOOT. Getting an ID is Easy, Cheap, and Fast.

Doesn't matter what the Democrat Party or the Republican Party THINK that this whole issue will gain them...it's moot. Getting an ID is no hurdle.

And you are the one who appears to me to be working with a "school kid" mentality as you just keep on and on about the Republicans.

NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS...IT'S THE DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT CLAIMED IT'S RACIST TO ASK FOR ID.

Wake up and get with the topic.

dyna mo · 05-13-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

Is all anyone sees is the ID issue ??

Seriously?

You guys would be eaten up voraciously in a real debate.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ID

You continue to 'focus' on that one little point while ignoring the rest, no matter how many times I spell it out. Thus 'hopeless'

As for Dems I am not defending them. I said that they 'used' race as an excuse but you all didn't read anything else I said.

It's like talking to school kids who have an attention span of 4.5 seconds.

kane · 05-13-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Had to stop your foolishness right there.

I've pointed out SEVERAL times in this thread...to get a State ID you simply go to your LOCAL DMV.
Depending on your age the price varies. Here in Nevada (again I'm having to type this...so I'll do it real slow for you so you don't miss it this time) the cost is:
Under 18 years old: $9.25.
18 ? 64 years old: $21.25.
65 years old or older: $7.25.

Now let me address that "family of 5" bullshit.

I have a "family of four". Me, my wife, and two kids.
That would be TWO people needing ID to vote. Not FOUR. Or as you said...five.

Now assuming that both people have incomes...and are 18 to 64 years old...That would cost them a grand total of $42.50

As for "transportation"...it's at the LOCAL DMV. Not some far away magical place that's hard to get to.

And AGAIN...all the states have programs that waive the fee for the ID if you are too poor to afford it.

There is NO excuse. But YOUR head is so far up the DNC's ass that YOU are saying things on here that make you sound like you don't even live in the real world.

Sorry to have to say that to you. But you haven't been shy in insulting me one little bit.
So there you have it. The things you are typing in this thread sound dumb to me. They are based on nothing. And you just ignore the FACTS on getting an ID that I keep telling you over an over.

Use google. Find out for yourself from the official govt. website of a state...not some info you get from MSNBC, the DNC, or a far left blogger.

EDIT: One other thing about your foolish comment...You said that they would have to take time off from work to go get their ID (once every 8 years by the way). Well BOO-FUCKING-HOO. Everybody else has to take time off of work to get their driver's license renewed too. And a million other little things in life that sometimes require you to put a TINY amount of effort and inconvenience to get them done.

And if they can't even take ONE day every EIGHT YEARS to get their ID...then how the fuck are they going to take one day to vote? The logic of your argument makes my head spin with the idiocy of it.

Just to touch on the cost aspect. In my state a Drivers License will cost you $60 and just an ID card will cost you $45. You have to have a copy of your birth certificate to get one. If you need that it will cost you $20 in Oregon. So you are looking at $65-$85 to get an ID in this state. It isn't a ton of money, but if you are really poor I can see how it can be a problem.

To be 100% honest I don't know if there is a program to help poor/disabled get their ID's for less.

Robbie · 05-13-2014, 01:43 PM

I just looked at the Oregon website and see that.

I couldn't figure out the term of the card either in Oregon. I saw reference to a "lifetime" card, but I'm not sure if that is what they mean.

And yeah, it looks like $45 in Oregon for an ID card.

I'll have to assume that the majority of people have access to their birth certificate in modern times. If not, then they probably need to spend $20 to get one anyway. Just being a responsible person and all.

I do have to say...if any minorities ever do move to Oregon and don't own a car and have a drivers license, they are gonna have to shell out $45.

I don't know if that equals "racism" or "voter suppression". $45 won't even fill the tank of my car or take my family out for dinner at Olive Garden. But it would be a lot of money to put out IF I were incredibly poor, had no form of ID, and was just chomping at the bit to go vote on election day.

dyna mo · 05-13-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Just to touch on the cost aspect. In my state a Drivers License will cost you $60 and just an ID card will cost you $45. You have to have a copy of your birth certificate to get one. If you need that it will cost you $20 in Oregon. So you are looking at $65-$85 to get an ID in this state. It isn't a ton of money, but if you are really poor I can see how it can be a problem.

To be 100% honest I don't know if there is a program to help poor/disabled get their ID's for less.

Are there black people in Oregon?

Robbie · 05-13-2014, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Are there black people in Oregon?

Don't be a RACIST!

(but no, there are no known black folks in Oregon

just kidding)

Socks · 05-13-2014, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

Just to touch on the cost aspect. In my state a Drivers License will cost you $60 and just an ID card will cost you $45. You have to have a copy of your birth certificate to get one. If you need that it will cost you $20 in Oregon. So you are looking at $65-$85 to get an ID in this state. It isn't a ton of money, but if you are really poor I can see how it can be a problem.

To be 100% honest I don't know if there is a program to help poor/disabled get their ID's for less.

It's not even the money, it's the time, effort and timing you'd need to get all this done before vote day..

I'm positive that more people who are legal to vote who want to vote who actually GO TO FUCKING VOTE will be turned away than "illegal voters" will be denied. Slow clap.

It's also just... why are there politicians working so hard on this, pretending like they care about the sanctity of the voting system? On one hand they're driving in busloads of people and paying them to vote, gerrymandering, installing hackable voting machines, etc etc.. While on the other they're playing saint and saviour trying to protect the voting system? Bitch please.

dyna mo · 05-13-2014, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't be a RACIST!

(but no, there are no known black folks in Oregon

just kidding)

And I bet you are not far off with your assessment that there are no known black folk inn Oregon either.

05-12-2014, 03:46 PM	#101
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,822	I think you all waste a lot of time and energy on things that are so common in other countries that we don't even think about it - like a picture ID and health insurance. meanwhile you carry guns and pay with cheques... Is it really 2014 already over there? (j/k - don't shoot me ) __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

05-12-2014, 07:30 PM	#116
Just Alex Liv Benson to You, Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland and WV Posts: 6,060	"You know, a stereotype isn?t a stereotype if it?s true and racial profiling isn?t racial profiling if it?s true, it?s only racial profiling if it?s wrong. " - George Lopez __________________

05-13-2014, 04:46 AM	#121
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	33 states don't require you to have an ID to buy assault rifles 0 states allow you to vote without providing some sort of identification http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201.../2550851/guns/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/clin...ns_and_voting/ Yes, it's easier to buy an assault rifle in many states then it is to vote. 'Murica fuck ya! __________________ Sup

05-13-2014, 05:03 AM	#122
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	__________________ Sup

05-13-2014, 05:08 AM	#123
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	I'm assuming it's to preserve the second amendment rights of dead people and illegal immigrants to buy and bare arms __________________ Sup

05-12-2014, 04:35 PM	#108
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	I'm supporting common sense.

05-13-2014, 05:10 AM	#124
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	I'm still at a loss as to why the fuss? It doesn't matter who gets in, who can/can't vote, the end result is the same anyway. Or is it that people are up in arms because they don't have a say in who it is that fucks them over?

05-13-2014, 12:08 PM	#141
mopek1 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,089	Is all anyone sees is the ID issue ?? Seriously? You guys would be eaten up voraciously in a real debate. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ID You continue to 'focus' on that one little point while ignoring the rest, no matter how many times I spell it out. Thus 'hopeless' As for Dems I am not defending them. I said that they 'used' race as an excuse but you all didn't read anything else I said. It's like talking to school kids who have an attention span of 4.5 seconds.

05-13-2014, 12:13 PM	#143
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	mopek1, you are the one who IS being eaten up in this debate. The post asks the question: Is it racist to ask for ID to vote. You are the one who is talking about something else...nobody is quite sure WHAT you are talking about. But you seemed focused on something. You're just not very good at communicating it. Best I can tell... you hate Republicans and they are evil. Other than that...I've shown you over and over and over that the point is MOOT. Getting an ID is Easy, Cheap, and Fast. Doesn't matter what the Democrat Party or the Republican Party THINK that this whole issue will gain them...it's moot. Getting an ID is no hurdle. And you are the one who appears to me to be working with a "school kid" mentality as you just keep on and on about the Republicans. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS...IT'S THE DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT CLAIMED IT'S RACIST TO ASK FOR ID. Wake up and get with the topic. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 05-13-2014 at 12:14 PM..

05-13-2014, 01:43 PM	#146
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I just looked at the Oregon website and see that. I couldn't figure out the term of the card either in Oregon. I saw reference to a "lifetime" card, but I'm not sure if that is what they mean. And yeah, it looks like $45 in Oregon for an ID card. I'll have to assume that the majority of people have access to their birth certificate in modern times. If not, then they probably need to spend $20 to get one anyway. Just being a responsible person and all. I do have to say...if any minorities ever do move to Oregon and don't own a car and have a drivers license, they are gonna have to shell out $45. I don't know if that equals "racism" or "voter suppression". $45 won't even fill the tank of my car or take my family out for dinner at Olive Garden. But it would be a lot of money to put out IF I were incredibly poor, had no form of ID, and was just chomping at the bit to go vote on election day. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com