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kane · 05-13-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I just looked at the Oregon website and see that.

I couldn't figure out the term of the card either in Oregon. I saw reference to a "lifetime" card, but I'm not sure if that is what they mean.

And yeah, it looks like $45 in Oregon for an ID card.

I'll have to assume that the majority of people have access to their birth certificate in modern times. If not, then they probably need to spend $20 to get one anyway. Just being a responsible person and all.

I do have to say...if any minorities ever do move to Oregon and don't own a car and have a drivers license, they are gonna have to shell out $45.

I don't know if that equals "racism" or "voter suppression". $45 won't even fill the tank of my car or take my family out for dinner at Olive Garden. But it would be a lot of money to put out IF I were incredibly poor, had no form of ID, and was just chomping at the bit to go vote on election day.

My drivers license is good for 8 years, but I have no idea how long the ID card is good for. I would assume it is the same.

I just had to renew my license and had to get a copy of my birth certificate because I had somehow managed to lose it. It wasn't a big deal, I did it in an afternoon, but I did have to drive to the place, fill out a form and pay the fee. I also think you can do it online and they will send it to you. I actually felt sorry for the poor bastard in front of me in line. He was in line 40 minutes, gets up to the counter to renew is drivers license and finds out you need a copy of your birth certificate which he didn't have on him. Now he gets to come back and wait in line again.

kane · 05-13-2014, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

And I bet you are not far off with your assessment that there are no known black folk inn Oregon either.

They are all undercover in this state.

dyna mo · 05-13-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

They are all undercover in this state.

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Black/White relations certainly have an interesting history there.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-13-2014, 03:03 PM

Not surprised to see GFY's Republican/conservative apologist tools blame the victims and refuse to consider this a blatant power grab intended to deny citizens their right to vote.

ADG

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

Yes but again you are focusing on one small point to the exclusion of the whole.

see thread title

Robbie · 05-13-2014, 04:18 PM

Eh...that's it. I'm tired of ADG's insults.

If you can't see the fact that anybody in the U.S. can get an ID without any more problem than I get my Drivers License renewed...then enjoy your idiocy.

I for one, am tired of you posting up retarded pictures by the dozens and never even understanding what you are talking about.

Later on ADG. You showed your true colors back a few years ago when you jumped in with a few other assholes on GFY and bullied that girl Claire (who was a genuinely nice girl).

Enjoy your life and "business" (whatever it is you do that actually makes you money). You're off to my ignore list with all others who are disrespectful and can't make me a thin dime in this business.

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

It is foolish and hard for most to realize because their heads are stuck so far up the GOP's asses.

I.D. is cheap and easy for most to get.

But if you are poor, spending $30 a person or so is A LOT of money that they don't have. Now if you have 5 in your family there is no way they could afford $150. Plus someone has to take time off work and perhaps spend money for transportation to a state office. Do Republicans suggest that gov pay or help pay for it and suggest strategies so that every person who has a hard time getting ID can? Of course not. They don't want those people to vote! (BTW I'm not even talking about illegals)

It can be done but understand it is a HURDLE.

Just like closing or shortening early voting and Sunday voting.

Put a few hurdles together and it makes it difficult.

There are also many old people who have no birth certificate because it wasn't always as common back then to issue them, and without it can't get proper photo ID today since they stopped driving. Another hurdle.

NOW ... stay with me please ...

Let's pull back and stand further from the big picture. Republicans are trying to win this one little point (I.D.) in the popular media to be able to push all the other hurdles through that come with it ...

Let's pull back some more.

If they were so concerned with fairness, why not open up the whole process and create laws and inquiries into past allegations and present loopholes/problems. Republicans don't do that because it doesn't favor them.

So, I will not support a motion from a group who put out one legitimate point (requiring I.D.) so they can then put through a few dirty tricks along with it and who do not care one bit about the issue when it does not favor them.

blah blah blah.... if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass...you can misquote, micro manage, imagine, reimagine all you want... reality get ID to vote

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

As for "transportation"...it's at the LOCAL DMV. Not some far away magical place that's hard to get to.

Robbie if they can't figure out how to get ride to the DMV, probably won't be able to figure out how to get down and vote anyway

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ID

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this is the funniest post in the thread.... (thread about ID)

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Just to touch on the cost aspect. In my state a Drivers License will cost you $60 and just an ID card will cost you $45. You have to have a copy of your birth certificate to get one. If you need that it will cost you $20 in Oregon. So you are looking at $65-$85 to get an ID in this state. It isn't a ton of money, but if you are really poor I can see how it can be a problem.

To be 100% honest I don't know if there is a program to help poor/disabled get their ID's for less.

okay now I'm confused.. are we talking about 'minorities' or 'mentally challenged' over and over and over you have consistently pointed out that the issues can't be resolved by the affected parties... .

mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

blah blah blah.... if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass...you can misquote, micro manage, imagine, reimagine all you want... reality get ID to vote

I have no idea what kind of a response that is?

That's how you reply to a multitude of points of debate?

mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You are the one who is talking about something else...nobody is quite sure WHAT you are talking about. But you seemed focused on something.

You're just not very good at communicating it.

Really?

A few people got what I was saying very early on in the thread.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20083262&postcount=58
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20083239&postcount=56
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20083922&postcount=89

Not sure why it's so hard for many of you even after much longer tutorials, which the above 3 didn't get.

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Eh...that's it. I'm tired of ADG's insults.

If you can't see the fact that anybody in the U.S. can get an ID without any more problem than I get my Drivers License renewed...then enjoy your idiocy.

I for one, am tired of you posting up retarded pictures by the dozens and never even understanding what you are talking about.

Later on ADG. You showed your true colors back a few years ago when you jumped in with a few other assholes on GFY and bullied that girl Claire (who was a genuinely nice girl).

Enjoy your life and "business" (whatever it is you do that actually makes you money). You're off to my ignore list with all others who are disrespectful and can't make me a thin dime in this business.

thank you Robbie... I don't feel so alone now

Grapesoda · 05-13-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

I have no idea what kind of a response that is?

That's how you reply to a multitude of points of debate?

there is no real debate other than the endless issues you seem to try and bring up... just to make this very clear to you: any one in American can get ID.. there is no race barrier so how in the holy hopping fuck can it be racist to ask for ID...

mopek1 · 05-13-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

there is no real debate other than the endless issues you seem to try and bring up... just to make this very clear to you: any one in American can get ID.. there is no race barrier so how in the holy hopping fuck can it be racist to ask for ID...

LOL ... you sound like Relentless ...

kane · 05-13-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

okay now I'm confused.. are we talking about 'minorities' or 'mentally challenged' over and over and over you have consistently pointed out that the issues can't be resolved by the affected parties... .

I never said the problems couldn't be resolved by the affected parties. I simply pointed out that I can see how for some it might be a headache and it could be expensive if you are very poor.

That post was simply to show that the price of an ID varies from state to state.

Robbie · 05-13-2014, 05:24 PM

mopek1...I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here.

Are you trying to convince yourself that you are smarter than everyone here? You're not.

Are you trying to change the thread topic to something else? No big deal, threads get derailed by people all the time.

I've said quite a few times in this thread that the whole thing is political for both sides. The Republicans are convinced that the Democrats are up to their old tricks of voter fraud that they famously did in Chicago for many, many decades.

They want to have people show an ID so that can't happen.

The Democrat Party, on the other hand...is worried that it won't be able to do that anymore if people have to show an ID to vote. So they are playing the race card as hard as they can.

For both of those party's it's pure politics.
If THAT is your big concept you keep harping about...then "thank you" Captain Obvious.

But the thread asks if it is "racist" to ask for ID or if it is a "hurdle" to people trying to vote.

Well...it's a "hurdle" to get out of bed I suppose. And a "hurdle" for ALL of us that the govt. requires to do so many things of. And it is also a "hurdle" to get electricity and running water IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ID.

So if you consider it to be some kind of "Voter Suppression" to require that the tiny, tiny percent of adult American's who aren't homeless or mentally incapacitated to get an ID...then I would say that society is just discriminating against those people by not allowing them to have electricity, get the water turned on, buy a beer, or even go to the DNC convention. Because you have to show ID for all those things.

You are really out to lunch in this thread.

Maybe you should start a "new" thread that will "tutor" all of us who are below you intellectually and use THAT thread to explain to us that political party's do political things.

Wow! That would be something! I never would have guessed that anything a political party does is...political.

2MuchMark · 05-13-2014, 06:20 PM

Even republicans think republicans are going overboard now...

From http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ppression.html

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Rand Paul Was Right About Republican Vote Suppression

Last week, Rand Paul edgily, and correctly, urged his fellow Republicans to make peace with African-Americans by maybe not trying so hard to prevent them from voting. Yesterday, Paul?s senior adviser, Paul Doug Stafford, explained what Paul really meant. And what he really meant was ? well, not very much:

?In the course of that discussion, he reiterated a point he has made before that while there may be some instances of voter fraud, it should not be a defining issue of the Republican Party, as it is an issue that is perhaps perceived in a way it is not intended,? Stafford said in a statement Monday. ?In terms of the specifics of voter ID laws, Senator Paul believes it's up to each state to decide that type of issue.?

Voting is already handled at the state level. Throwing up your hands and letting the states decide means Republicans can keep on keepin? on erecting bureaucratic impediments to voting. Keep in mind, though, that Paul?s original heterodoxy didn?t take him very far out on a limb. What he told the Times was, ?Everybody?s gone completely crazy on this voter ID thing. I think it?s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it?s offending people.? Paul was not arguing against vote suppression on moral grounds but practical grounds (?it?s offending people?). He wasn?t asking Republicans to stop engaging in vote suppression altogether. Taken literally, he wasn?t even asking them to stop being crazy about vote suppression. He was just asking them not to be too crazy.

As a political instinct, Paul?s original, pre-walkback line was probably shrewd. Vote suppression tactics have suffered a series of legal setbacks. Federal courts in Wisconsin, Arkansas, and Pennsylvania have all struck down Republican-drafted laws designed to restrict voting. Two judges who originally upheld voter-ID laws, John Paul Stevens and Richard Posner, have repudiated their original support.

The political logic of constructing impediments to voting appears perfectly sound. Voting is a fundamentally irrational act, in the sense that it confers no tangible benefit. Making it less convenient is likely to discourage voters with the least flexibility and wherewithal, shearing a small, disproportionately Democratic slice of voters off the electorate. The photo-ID requirement poses no obstacle to the 89 percent of us who own one. But to the 11% percent of Americans (and 25 percent of African-Americans) who lack one, the impediment is substantial. Imagine you had to travel to the DMV or some other state office to get a card merely so you can vote. If you can?t drive and probably lack much job flexibility, that?s not a burden you?re likely to take on without enormous motivation. The widespread Republican drive to limit polling stations and restrict early and weekend voting has the same effect.

Photo: Joe Raedle/2012 Getty Images
The trouble, for Republicans, is that vote suppression creates an opposing force. It allows Democrats to (correctly) place Republicans within the history of odious tactics designed to limit the political power of minorities, and thus making the act of voting itself a form of political protest. Conservatives like Ross Douthat have argued that vote suppression probably inspires more Democrats to register and vote than it keeps away from the polls.

Paul?s original point got at the dilemma in a different way. Smart Republican strategists understand that, even though their party will never win the black vote, the marginal difference between winning 10 to 15 percent of the black vote, as the party did not long ago, and winning 5 percent of the black vote is substantial. The GOP is never going to rebuild its reputation when they are upholding such an odious American tradition. The Republican candidate who rebuilds his party?s reputation with black America is probably not going to be the one who disagrees with major sections of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and has surrounded himself with white supremacists. But the broader strategy Paul is identifying makes enough sense that somebody is bound to eventually take it up, even if it?s not him.

Update: Tuesday, Paul spoke with Sean Hannity, and abandoned his deviation completely. Paul assured Hannity he fully agrees with the Republican vote suppression strategy on substance, and that his only argument is that Republicans should "emphasize" other issues without changing their policies:

I'm satisfied.Photo: Uri Schanker/WireImage
PAUL: No I agree, there?s nothing wrong with it. To see Eric Holder you?ve got to show your drivers license to get in the building. So I don?t really object to having some rules for how we vote. I show my drivers license every time I vote in Kentucky?and I don?t feel like it is a great burden. So it?s funny that it got reported that way.

But I do mean what I said, that Republicans need to be aware that there is a group of voters that I?m trying to court and that we should be trying to court who do see it as something directed towards them. So that?s why what I?ve been trying to emphasize is not voter-ID, but trying to emphasize that I would like to give people back the right to vote if they committed a youthful non-violent crime and have served their time. I think you do get a second chance in life. I believe in redemption as a Christian. And I think also the law should allow people who committed youthful crimes to get their voting rights back.

HANNITY: Why are people so offended by this? Anybody offended by the idea that they have to present an identification to show that they are who they say they are? Why is that so offensive to people?

PAUL: Like I say, I think both sides have made mistakes in?this issue. But it?s mainly in presentation and perception, not in reality. In the sense that, if Republicans are going to go around the country and this becomes a central theme and issue, you have to realize, rightly or wrongly, it is being perceived by some ? and this is the point I was making and I think it?s still a valid point, that I?m trying to go out and say to African Americans ?I want your vote and the Republican Party wants your vote?. If they perceive, rightly or wrongly, that showing their ID is an attempt to get them not to vote because they perceive it in the lineage of a time when it truly did happen through poll taxes and questioning to try and prevent people, if they perceive it that way, we have to be aware that the perception is out there and be careful about not so overdoing something that we further alienate a block of people we need to attract.

L-Pink · 05-13-2014, 08:48 PM

Meanwhile ….. you need ID to ride a bike in New York but not to vote?

"A source tells Yahoo that Baldwin was indeed riding his bike alone on the wrong side of Fifth Avenue when he was stopped by police. Additionally, he did not have his ID on him, which is why he had to be handcuffed and taken into the local station."

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/ce...154445357.html

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-13-2014, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Meanwhile ?.. you need ID to ride a bike in New York but not to vote?

"A source tells Yahoo that Baldwin was indeed riding his bike alone on the wrong side of Fifth Avenue when he was stopped by police. Additionally, he did not have his ID on him, which is why he had to be handcuffed and taken into the local station."

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/ce...154445357.html

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I feel safer without dangerous biker Alec Baldwin riding down the street on the wrong side, no less without the patriotic American fucking decency to be carrying his Drivers License (aka Voter ID Card) at the time.

I hope they lock him up in solitary confinement until he learns the errors of his immoral and criminal ways. Oh yeah, and I believe that Baldwin is a Democrat, so they should take away his voting rights while they're at it!

ADG

dyna mo · 05-13-2014, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Meanwhile ….. you need ID to ride a bike in New York but not to vote?

"A source tells Yahoo that Baldwin was indeed riding his bike alone on the wrong side of Fifth Avenue when he was stopped by police. Additionally, he did not have his ID on him, which is why he had to be handcuffed and taken into the local station."

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/ce...154445357.html

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those cops saved that dumbass's life and should all receive a bonus and accolades.

What a dumbass, riding a bicycle the wrong way down 5th ave on a Tuesday morning? Fuck him. The best thing that could have happened would have had him run over, a benefit being we would all be with 1 less baldwin brother, but that would have cost the taxpayers, at least this way, a traffic scofflaw was removed from the streets and he has to pay for it.

dyna mo · 05-13-2014, 09:38 PM

that tubbie is getting the 2 cuff treatment too, lucky!

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mopek1 · 05-14-2014, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

mopek1...I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here.

Are you trying to convince yourself that you are smarter than everyone here? You're not.

Are you trying to change the thread topic to something else? No big deal, threads get derailed by people all the time.

I've said quite a few times in this thread that the whole thing is political for both sides. The Republicans are convinced that the Democrats are up to their old tricks of voter fraud that they famously did in Chicago for many, many decades.

They want to have people show an ID so that can't happen.

The Democrat Party, on the other hand...is worried that it won't be able to do that anymore if people have to show an ID to vote. So they are playing the race card as hard as they can.

For both of those party's it's pure politics.
If THAT is your big concept you keep harping about...then "thank you" Captain Obvious.

But the thread asks if it is "racist" to ask for ID or if it is a "hurdle" to people trying to vote.

Well...it's a "hurdle" to get out of bed I suppose. And a "hurdle" for ALL of us that the govt. requires to do so many things of. And it is also a "hurdle" to get electricity and running water IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ID.

So if you consider it to be some kind of "Voter Suppression" to require that the tiny, tiny percent of adult American's who aren't homeless or mentally incapacitated to get an ID...then I would say that society is just discriminating against those people by not allowing them to have electricity, get the water turned on, buy a beer, or even go to the DNC convention. Because you have to show ID for all those things.

You are really out to lunch in this thread.

Maybe you should start a "new" thread that will "tutor" all of us who are below you intellectually and use THAT thread to explain to us that political party's do political things.

Wow! That would be something! I never would have guessed that anything a political party does is...political.

I think you know very well what I am saying and so do the others I am arguing against.

The difference is that to all of you it is about 'winning' the thread which is an attitude that never allows for a good back and forth exchange of ideas.

Grapesoda · 05-14-2014, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

I never said the problems couldn't be resolved by the affected parties. I simply pointed out that I can see how for some it might be a headache and it could be expensive if you are very poor.

That post was simply to show that the price of an ID varies from state to state.

let me point this out.... right now I'm working 43.7% of the year for the government, I spend hours dealing with government regulations (that's a fucking headache for sure), with more on the way.... so if it's too much trouble for the people I'm supporting to go get ID.. ... fuck them

arock10 · 05-14-2014, 05:15 AM

Heh so the next thing you guys are going to say is gerrymandering is because the politicians like creatively shaped districts because it's pretty, not because it skews the vote?

The GOP has said voter ID laws will help win elections if they can pass the laws and now even libertianish rand Paul has come out against them simply to improve his image with actual minority voters.

But yea keep thinking the issue is simply oh you don't have $10 and a few hours of time, so you don't get to vote.

MaDalton · 05-14-2014, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

that tubbie is getting the 2 cuff treatment too, lucky!

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why would anyone handcuff a well known actor for riding a bike in the wrong direction?

he probably can be happy he didnt get tazered or shot

Grapesoda · 05-14-2014, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

why would anyone handcuff a well known actor for riding a bike in the wrong direction?

he probably can be happy he didnt get tazered or shot

he's a loud mouth and low quality cops

Grapesoda · 05-14-2014, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Heh so the next thing you guys are going to say is gerrymandering is because the politicians like creatively shaped districts because it's pretty, not because it skews the vote?

The GOP has said voter ID laws will help win elections if they can pass the laws and now even libertianish rand Paul has come out against them simply to improve his image with actual minority voters.

But yea keep thinking the issue is simply oh you don't have $10 and a few hours of time, so you don't get to vote.

I'll repeat this for you: any 'minority can get ID in America, even illegal aliens can get ID in America' asking for ID is NOT racism.

mopek1 · 05-14-2014, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

But yea keep thinking the issue is simply oh you don't have $10 and a few hours of time, so you don't get to vote.

I hear you and agree.

But the ones that don't, won't respond to your point. They will simply repeat and repeat and repeat that one point as if they were broken records.

You could show logic, analyses, heck even get God out here himself to wake them up but they will remain automatons ...

dyna mo · 05-14-2014, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

why would anyone handcuff a well known actor for riding a bike in the wrong direction?

he probably can be happy he didnt get tazered or shot

they didn't handcuff him for riding a bike in the wrong direction, they handcuffed him because he was flipping out on them.

he should be happy he didn't cause and accident and get run over more than some silly notion that all cops are trigger happy.

arock10 · 05-14-2014, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

they didn't handcuff him for riding a bike in the wrong direction, they handcuffed him because he was flipping out on them.

he should be happy he didn't cause and accident and get run over more than some silly notion that all cops are trigger happy.

Clearly you've never ridden a bicycle

dyna mo · 05-14-2014, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Clearly you've never ridden a bicycle

Clearly? There's nothing clear about your comment.

Robbie · 05-14-2014, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

I hear you and agree.

But the ones that don't, won't respond to your point. They will simply repeat and repeat and repeat that one point as if they were broken records.

You could show logic, analyses, heck even get God out here himself to wake them up but they will remain automatons ...

mopek1 what are you talking about.

Is this some cool form of trolling you are doing? YOU are the broken record.

The thread is asking the question "why is asking for ID racism?"

That is a talking point that the DNC has put out there.

We are in here having a discussion about that topic and it's variants.

The only thing you have added to the discussion is something that is totally OBVIOUS and was already discussed in the beginning.

Both political parties are looking for any kind of gain in voters that they can get.
The Republicans THINK that by having people show ID it will keep Democrat voters from voting.
Democrats THINK the same thing.

Both sides are assuming that voters who vote Democrat are too "poor" or too "lazy" or too "stupid' to be able to get an ID.

I am saying that is not true.

Now why don't you post AGAIN about how I can't understand the incredibly complex idea that you have proposed:
Republicans look to gain advantage by having people show ID to vote.

Wow! What an epiphany! Hello "Captain Obvious!"

And my point...which goes beyond your obvious (and apparently ONLY) thought on the matter is: The Republicans are wrong. The Dems are wrong.

It is NOT racist to ask for ID. If it were...then everything in life that asks for ID would be illegal because it would be discriminating on the basis of race.

And furthermore, ID is NOT hard to get.

Am I getting my point through to you?
YES, everybody knows that political party's do EVERYTHING for political gain.

NO, I don't agree with either side's motivations. But the point is moot because getting an ID is not "racist" and it not going to "suppress" black people or other "minorities" from voting. They have ID and are perfectly capable of getting ID. They are not weak or stupid.

mopek1 · 05-14-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

mopek1 what are you talking about.

Is this some cool form of trolling you are doing? YOU are the broken record.

The thread is asking the question "why is asking for ID racism?"

That is a talking point that the DNC has put out there.

We are in here having a discussion about that topic and it's variants.

The only thing you have added to the discussion is something that is totally OBVIOUS and was already discussed in the beginning.

Both political parties are looking for any kind of gain in voters that they can get.
The Republicans THINK that by having people show ID it will keep Democrat voters from voting.
Democrats THINK the same thing.

Both sides are assuming that voters who vote Democrat are too "poor" or too "lazy" or too "stupid' to be able to get an ID.

I am saying that is not true.

Now why don't you post AGAIN about how I can't understand the incredibly complex idea that you have proposed:
Republicans look to gain advantage by having people show ID to vote.

Wow! What an epiphany! Hello "Captain Obvious!"

And my point...which goes beyond your obvious (and apparently ONLY) thought on the matter is: The Republicans are wrong. The Dems are wrong.

It is NOT racist to ask for ID. If it were...then everything in life that asks for ID would be illegal because it would be discriminating on the basis of race.

And furthermore, ID is NOT hard to get.

Am I getting my point through to you?
YES, everybody knows that political party's do EVERYTHING for political gain.

NO, I don't agree with either side's motivations. But the point is moot because getting an ID is not "racist" and it not going to "suppress" black people or other "minorities" from voting. They have ID and are perfectly capable of getting ID. They are not weak or stupid.

This thread was set up (framed) to bash Democrats.

There are 2 guilty parties here and by calling out only one (Dems: racist thing) and agreeing with the other (Rep: voter id is a good idea) the you are indirectly taking sides.

The OP and others with similar interests do this because it helps one side while 'seeming' to be neutral. Doesn't matter if people have small disclaimers in their threads saying "yeah both parties are in it for gain" because they then go right to bashing again. Ex:

"FUCKING DEMS!! CALLING IT RACIST ... IMAGINE THE IDIOCY !!!" (followed by lots of high fives from others)

"JUST GET SOME FUCKING ID!!! WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?!!" (followed by more high fives)

Political parties love to frame ideas because that's how they win discussions. You can't lose if you do. He who frames the argument wins it.

directfiesta · 05-14-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

those cops saved that dumbass's life and should all receive a bonus and accolades.

What a dumbass, riding a bicycle the wrong way down 5th ave on a Tuesday morning? Fuck him. The best thing that could have happened would have had him run over, a benefit being we would all be with 1 less baldwin brother, but that would have cost the taxpayers, at least this way, a traffic scofflaw was removed from the streets and he has to pay for it.

Another stupid comment .... but no surprise .

It is much safer to ride against traffic if there are no bike path, as you can see the upcoming cars/trucks ....

Use your brain cell for once.

Robbie · 05-14-2014, 09:52 AM

mopek1, I don't think the DNC needs you to "save" them in this discussion.

I understand that you want to "right this wrong" of the thread being "set up" to bash Democrats (in your view).

But it's kind of hard to defend them on this one. Just like it's hard to defend Republicans on social issues.

Both sides are catering to their most extreme base...because the extremists on both sides are the ones who WILL vote, come hell or high water.

I spent most of my life thinking my vote didn't count.

Now I realize that played right into the 2 party system plan. As long as far left and far right extremists are the most consistent voting block, our country will continue to flounder.

People like you and me are the ones who need to get out there and vote. And vote for what is right. Not "party line" voting. But voting on issues and the individual people who are running.

For me...that means taking a long look at third party candidates.
It sure seems to me that anyone who even makes it to the primary races as a Republican or Democrat is already damaged beyond repair.

But that's just my viewpoint.

TheSquealer · 05-14-2014, 09:56 AM

Funny that people love to argue there is no voter fraud but the discussion itself is predicated on the fact that no one even knows or can prove who is voting to begin with.

dyna mo · 05-14-2014, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Another stupid comment .... but no surprise .

It is much safer to ride against traffic if there are no bike path, as you can see the upcoming cars/trucks ....

Use your brain cell for once.

umm, retard. it's against the fucking law to ride against traffic.

There's a reason for that.

dyna mo · 05-14-2014, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Another stupid comment .... but no surprise .

It is much safer to ride against traffic if there are no bike path, as you can see the upcoming cars/trucks ....

Use your brain cell for once.

for the dipshit dolt.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ridi...sm=93&ie=UTF-8

Grapesoda · 05-14-2014, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mopek1

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The OP and others with similar interests do this because it helps one side while 'seeming' to be neutral. Doesn't matter if people have small disclaimers in their threads saying "yeah both parties are in it for gain" because they then go right to bashing again. Ex:

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okay that's it... you're a fucking dumb ass for sure... I have no similar interest get it?
I only point this out because I thought it was ABSURD that asking for ID was racist...

but since it has been brought to the table in this thread I will say this: If you are stupid and lazy, vote democrat ...

mopek1 · 05-14-2014, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

mopek1, I don't think the DNC needs you to "save" them in this discussion.

I understand that you want to "right this wrong" of the thread being "set up" to bash Democrats (in your view).

But it's kind of hard to defend them on this one. Just like it's hard to defend Republicans on social issues.

Both sides are catering to their most extreme base...because the extremists on both sides are the ones who WILL vote, come hell or high water.

I spent most of my life thinking my vote didn't count.

Now I realize that played right into the 2 party system plan. As long as far left and far right extremists are the most consistent voting block, our country will continue to flounder.

People like you and me are the ones who need to get out there and vote. And vote for what is right. Not "party line" voting. But voting on issues and the individual people who are running.

For me...that means taking a long look at third party candidates.
It sure seems to me that anyone who even makes it to the primary races as a Republican or Democrat is already damaged beyond repair.

But that's just my viewpoint.

It's not about saving the Dems. It's about calling things fairly - (for sure they are using the race card.)

Like you I also played into the 2 party system. I wasn't taught much about politics and had to learn by getting mixed up in it, taking sides and fighting hard, and then finally emerging out of it and seeing the manipulating that goes on.

And like you, I also look at 3rd party candidates and see so much potential in some of them that it drives me nuts knowing they don't stand a chance. But if they never get votes, then their chances are zero. So I started believing my vote counts too and vote in every election at every level and look hard at what's being said and what actions they take.

It seems we are more similar than we thought. I also appreciate the de-escalation initiative you've taken in regards to our argument. Toning it down is another way of taking the high road.

Since we're on a positive and agreeable note I'll bow out of this thread and look forward to more discussions with you in others.

/

bronco67 · 05-14-2014, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Another stupid comment .... but no surprise .

It is much safer to ride against traffic if there are no bike path, as you can see the upcoming cars/trucks ....

Use your brain cell for once.

Math says it's better to be hit from the back while riding a bike. If a car hits you from the back, the force will be far less because you're both traveling in the same direction. If the collision is head on, the force will be multiplied by both of your speeds. So, you may see it coming, but who cares if you're going to die anyway.

I do 25 mile rides on some scary roads will small shoulders, and it would seem pretty fucking foolish to be going toward traffic. It would be scary for the drivers coming toward me also. You obviously are not a biker.

kane · 05-14-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

let me point this out.... right now I'm working 43.7% of the year for the government, I spend hours dealing with government regulations (that's a fucking headache for sure), with more on the way.... so if it's too much trouble for the people I'm supporting to go get ID.. ... fuck them

I have said multiple times in this thread that if these laws were only about voters having to show an ID I wouldn't have a problem with it. The reality is that most, if not all, of these voter ID laws also include things like shortening the number of early voting days, reducing times you can get an absentee or provisional ballot and reducing the time before voting that you can register. These are all things that are meant to reduce the number of votes cast and these are also things that studies have shown are more likely to be used by democrats.

Grapesoda · 05-14-2014, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

also include things like shortening the number of early voting days, reducing times you can get an absentee or provisional ballot and reducing the time before voting that you can register. These are all things that are meant to reduce the number of votes cast and these are also things that studies have shown are more likely to be used by democrats.

they can do all that without ID's and just MAYBE there is another reason for these changes... like budgets? not everything is about black people, poor people of a weird illuminate plot

kane · 05-14-2014, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

they can do all that without ID's and just MAYBE there is another reason for these changes... like budgets? not everything is about black people, poor people of a weird illuminate plot

You are right, they could do these things without a voter ID, but it would likely be harder to do it out in the open instead of burying it in a 100 page bill.

There are ZERO reasons why they should cut the number of early vote days and the amount of time you have to get and file an absentee ballot. Budget? Bullshit! We are the richest country in the world. We are supposed to be the shining light of democracy for the world and we can't afford to pay people to work the polls for a few extra days every two years? Every year I hear people complain about the low voter turn out and we are going to do things that could limit voter turnout? We should be doing everything in our power to increase it.

Personally I think every state should do it like mine does. Vote by mail. We have a decently high voter turnout because it is easy. There are no lines to wait in and you don't have to worry about going to the correct polling location. The ballot comes to you, you fill it out, and mail it back or you can drop it in a ballot collection box located in many different places. Simple.

Tactics used to reduce voting days and the ways people vote are nothing more than tricks intended to suppress methods that studies have shown are more popular among democrats. I'm not saying democrats don't do shady things. They do. But there is no connection between voter ID and limited the time and available ways people vote.

dyna mo · 05-14-2014, 05:47 PM

the best tactic politicians have for reducing voter turnout is one they've fully embraced- doing a shitty job.

Robbie · 05-14-2014, 05:52 PM

kane...we are badly in debt. Federal debt is $17 trillion, $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Most city, county, and states are struggling with debt and budgets.

I'm not saying that an absentee ballot should be affected one way or another because I don't know.

But I am saying that we are NOT the richest country on Earth. We are actually number "7" on the list (Qatar is the richest).
We are however number "1" for debt. (yay! USA! USA! We're number ONE!) lol

As far as "early voting"...I kind of wondered about that. I could have sworn that I had NEVER heard of such a thing until recently. And I was right!

I googled it. And it appears to be a local govt. choice? It appears to not have existed until 1994 and was never really used strategically by any campaign until the Obama Campaign figured out how to use it to their advantage in 2009.

Pretty interesting stuff. And now people think it's some kind of rights that they've always had! lol

Early voting is apparently not very well regulated yet and subject to...you guessed it: fraud.

Just thought it was interesting after I just googled it.
I KNEW I had never heard of that until recent years.

Can you just imagine our parents and grandparent's whining about "early voting" being cut down to "only" a few days? Lol!
Voting ALWAYS happened on one day...the Tuesday after the first Monday in November (except absentee balloting...which is really for American's living overseas and/or military overseas).

I guess these "poor" "minorities" need us to hold their hands, not ask for an ID, and give them a few weeks to vote.

kane · 05-14-2014, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

kane...we are badly in debt. Federal debt is $17 trillion, $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Most city, county, and states are struggling with debt and budgets.

I'm not saying that an absentee ballot should be affected one way or another because I don't know.

But I am saying that we are NOT the richest country on Earth. We are actually number "7" on the list (Qatar is the richest).
We are however number "1" for debt. (yay! USA! USA! We're number ONE!) lol

As far as "early voting"...I kind of wondered about that. I could have sworn that I had NEVER heard of such a thing until recently. And I was right!

I googled it. And it appears to be a local govt. choice? It appears to not have existed until 1994 and was never really used strategically by any campaign until the Obama Campaign figured out how to use it to their advantage in 2009.

Pretty interesting stuff. And now people think it's some kind of rights that they've always had! lol

Early voting is apparently not very well regulated yet and subject to...you guessed it: fraud.

Just thought it was interesting after I just googled it.
I KNEW I had never heard of that until recent years.

Can you just imagine our parents and grandparent's whining about "early voting" being cut down to "only" a few days? Lol!
Voting ALWAYS happened on one day...the Tuesday after the first Monday in November (except absentee balloting...which is really for American's living overseas and/or military overseas).

I guess these "poor" "minorities" need us to hold their hands, not ask for an ID, and give them a few weeks to vote.

My mom was born in 1940. When she was old enough to vote in 1958 the US had about 170 million people in it. Today we have around 320 million. The population has almost doubled. It makes sense that we need to make some kind of arrangements to allow for all these people to vote. In many cities it is 3-5 hour wait in line to vote.

Vote by mail makes the most sense. Montana recently considered it and even though it was shown that it would save the state 2 million dollars per election, they decided to not to do it because they had "concerns." You can determine for yourself what those concerns are. I think it is because the state is slowly threatening to turn blue and vote by mail might help move that along some.

Do we have a ton of debt? Without question. Can we afford to keep the polls open a few extra days every 2 years? Without question. Let's just do this. During election years lets curb the amount of money we give other countries by enough to cover to cost of keeping the polls open a few extra days. Problem solved.

We should be doing everything in our power to make sure everyone who wants to vote can get to polls.

kane · 05-14-2014, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the best tactic politicians have for reducing voter turnout is one they've fully embraced- doing a shitty job.

The interesting thing is that for many of them it doesn't matter how shitty of a job they do. Congress has a 10% approval rating. Cockroaches have a high approval rating than congress. Yet I bet 75%-80% of them get reelected in the next election. People have the idea that congress sucks, but their particular congressional rep doesn't.

Still, you make a point. My brother never votes because he doesn't think it matters. Whoever wins, he feels, will have no affect on his life one way or the other.

bronco67 · 05-14-2014, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

kane...we are badly in debt. Federal debt is $17 trillion, $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Most city, county, and states are struggling with debt and budgets.

I'm not saying that an absentee ballot should be affected one way or another because I don't know.

But I am saying that we are NOT the richest country on Earth. We are actually number "7" on the list (Qatar is the richest).
We are however number "1" for debt. (yay! USA! USA! We're number ONE!) lol

As far as "early voting"...I kind of wondered about that. I could have sworn that I had NEVER heard of such a thing until recently. And I was right!

I googled it. And it appears to be a local govt. choice? It appears to not have existed until 1994 and was never really used strategically by any campaign until the Obama Campaign figured out how to use it to their advantage in 2009.

Pretty interesting stuff. And now people think it's some kind of rights that they've always had! lol

Early voting is apparently not very well regulated yet and subject to...you guessed it: fraud.

Just thought it was interesting after I just googled it.
I KNEW I had never heard of that until recent years.

Can you just imagine our parents and grandparent's whining about "early voting" being cut down to "only" a few days? Lol!
Voting ALWAYS happened on one day...the Tuesday after the first Monday in November (except absentee balloting...which is really for American's living overseas and/or military overseas).

I guess these "poor" "minorities" need us to hold their hands, not ask for an ID, and give them a few weeks to vote.

You'll do whatever you can to bolster a Republican argument. It's a fact. I mean, you go to some GREAT motherfucking lengths for the cause. You do know this about yourself, right? Can you be real for a moment and just admit it? It's ok to have your opinions...but drop the whole "politics neutral" thing.

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Eh...that's it. I'm tired of ADG's insults. If you can't see the fact that anybody in the U.S. can get an ID without any more problem than I get my Drivers License renewed...then enjoy your idiocy. I for one, am tired of you posting up retarded pictures by the dozens and never even understanding what you are talking about. Later on ADG. You showed your true colors back a few years ago when you jumped in with a few other assholes on GFY and bullied that girl Claire (who was a genuinely nice girl). Enjoy your life and "business" (whatever it is you do that actually makes you money). You're off to my ignore list with all others who are disrespectful and can't make me a thin dime in this business. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 05-13-2014 at 04:21 PM..

05-13-2014, 05:24 PM	#167
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	mopek1...I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here. Are you trying to convince yourself that you are smarter than everyone here? You're not. Are you trying to change the thread topic to something else? No big deal, threads get derailed by people all the time. I've said quite a few times in this thread that the whole thing is political for both sides. The Republicans are convinced that the Democrats are up to their old tricks of voter fraud that they famously did in Chicago for many, many decades. They want to have people show an ID so that can't happen. The Democrat Party, on the other hand...is worried that it won't be able to do that anymore if people have to show an ID to vote. So they are playing the race card as hard as they can. For both of those party's it's pure politics. If THAT is your big concept you keep harping about...then "thank you" Captain Obvious. But the thread asks if it is "racist" to ask for ID or if it is a "hurdle" to people trying to vote. Well...it's a "hurdle" to get out of bed I suppose. And a "hurdle" for ALL of us that the govt. requires to do so many things of. And it is also a "hurdle" to get electricity and running water IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ID. So if you consider it to be some kind of "Voter Suppression" to require that the tiny, tiny percent of adult American's who aren't homeless or mentally incapacitated to get an ID...then I would say that society is just discriminating against those people by not allowing them to have electricity, get the water turned on, buy a beer, or even go to the DNC convention. Because you have to show ID for all those things. You are really out to lunch in this thread. Maybe you should start a "new" thread that will "tutor" all of us who are below you intellectually and use THAT thread to explain to us that political party's do political things. Wow! That would be something! I never would have guessed that anything a political party does is...political. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	Heh so the next thing you guys are going to say is gerrymandering is because the politicians like creatively shaped districts because it's pretty, not because it skews the vote? The GOP has said voter ID laws will help win elections if they can pass the laws and now even libertianish rand Paul has come out against them simply to improve his image with actual minority voters. But yea keep thinking the issue is simply oh you don't have $10 and a few hours of time, so you don't get to vote. __________________ Sup

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	mopek1, I don't think the DNC needs you to "save" them in this discussion. I understand that you want to "right this wrong" of the thread being "set up" to bash Democrats (in your view). But it's kind of hard to defend them on this one. Just like it's hard to defend Republicans on social issues. Both sides are catering to their most extreme base...because the extremists on both sides are the ones who WILL vote, come hell or high water. I spent most of my life thinking my vote didn't count. Now I realize that played right into the 2 party system plan. As long as far left and far right extremists are the most consistent voting block, our country will continue to flounder. People like you and me are the ones who need to get out there and vote. And vote for what is right. Not "party line" voting. But voting on issues and the individual people who are running. For me...that means taking a long look at third party candidates. It sure seems to me that anyone who even makes it to the primary races as a Republican or Democrat is already damaged beyond repair. But that's just my viewpoint. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 05-14-2014 at 09:53 AM..

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Meanwhile ….. you need ID to ride a bike in New York but not to vote? "A source tells Yahoo that Baldwin was indeed riding his bike alone on the wrong side of Fifth Avenue when he was stopped by police. Additionally, he did not have his ID on him, which is why he had to be handcuffed and taken into the local station." https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/ce...154445357.html .

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,773	the best tactic politicians have for reducing voter turnout is one they've fully embraced- doing a shitty job.

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	kane...we are badly in debt. Federal debt is $17 trillion, $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Most city, county, and states are struggling with debt and budgets. I'm not saying that an absentee ballot should be affected one way or another because I don't know. But I am saying that we are NOT the richest country on Earth. We are actually number "7" on the list (Qatar is the richest). We are however number "1" for debt. (yay! USA! USA! We're number ONE!) lol As far as "early voting"...I kind of wondered about that. I could have sworn that I had NEVER heard of such a thing until recently. And I was right! I googled it. And it appears to be a local govt. choice? It appears to not have existed until 1994 and was never really used strategically by any campaign until the Obama Campaign figured out how to use it to their advantage in 2009. Pretty interesting stuff. And now people think it's some kind of rights that they've always had! lol Early voting is apparently not very well regulated yet and subject to...you guessed it: fraud. Just thought it was interesting after I just googled it. I KNEW I had never heard of that until recent years. Can you just imagine our parents and grandparent's whining about "early voting" being cut down to "only" a few days? Lol! Voting ALWAYS happened on one day...the Tuesday after the first Monday in November (except absentee balloting...which is really for American's living overseas and/or military overseas). I guess these "poor" "minorities" need us to hold their hands, not ask for an ID, and give them a few weeks to vote. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 05-14-2014 at 05:54 PM..