TCLGirls

Vietnam was never actually declared a war...but the Pentagon officially used the term POW back then.

WDF

Yes I am fully aware and that is my point exactly, the ww2 vets were not at all happy with the use of the term for that reason.

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Yes we did call them that, even though it was just " a police action". I wish I had our families old POW-MIA scrapbook, flag, and some of the other related items. I, also, had some VVAW pins and booklets from the rallies I attended back then, lost those in FL to Charlie, the hurricane not NVA/VC.

McCain should be thankful he was not exposed to the defoliants used then, I am starting to lose a lot of friends to vascular disorders now.

Thanks for not lumping me into a particular group.

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Lol! You're pathetic. Read it again

Bergdahl is not classified as a deserter.

http://www.stripes.com/news/who-is-b...gdahl-1.286405

You said he was classified as a deserter, and you based your entire hate-filled rant on it. You were wrong. Again. Like you always are. On everything.

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2MuchMark

And you hate him because he's black.

I don't hate republicans. I don't understand republican voters, but I don't hate them. I hate republican lawmakers that are climate change and other science deniers.

Lol! That's all you've got? Did you forget the republican lawmakers that fucked up just this week? Yes of course you did. Silly me.

I stopped using my ointment. Don't pick on me! Aw-boo hooo hoo..

Because (a) I have empathy. I give a shit. (b) Because what you guys do down there tends to affect us sooner or later. (c) Because the endless lies and flip-flops the people you personally love is head-scratching entertainment.

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WDF

I enjoy multi-quotes and well though out answers.

I was wondering how he knows about your dick cheese though, it should be a point of concern, that he knows not that you have it.

Use your ointment and unplug your mic and cam, stop using chrome also.

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ad hominem attacks are always a great strategy vend.

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Vendzilla

I don't believe that's what I'm doing, I didn't start the attacks in this thread, they started with the ad hominen attacks. No one is attacking me on the OP, they can't. They are only attacking me, even Candy Flip said he doesn't care about the subject.

Like Cheese dick calling me a racist, where the fuck did that come from and is that the best he can do?

WDF doesn't seem to know what a cheese dick is, he should look it up. I wonder if he knows how? Maybe he knows what spotted dick is? Limited imagination at best! LOL

Anyways, they always do this, this is how all liberal attacks happen. Ok, well the Republicans do it too, but nearly as bad.

But got to love these idiots, because I don't like the president, they call me names right out of the gate, they can't debate it, they merely attack.

Anyways haters, keep it going, I'll be back next week, Off to Washington state for a few days. Bringing our passports, might drive up to Canada where they use to play Hockey!

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Vendzilla

Would you debate someone that has you on ignore?

Just get tired of the constant bashing of o9ur government by someone from an other country that calls me a racist because I disagree with the president. If he did it in person, he would get a surprise.

The only thing misleading is the comments you made, if you want a debate, the acknowledge facts, you never do, I showed you the congressional conclusion for waco and you denied it, fuck you thinking I don't know how to debate

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Vendzilla

They came to the conclusion he deserted his post, same thing

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Rochard

Vendzilla seems to hate a lot of people. Blacks, vets....

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RobertL

But someone did, and you didn't address it at all just because of who did it.

Now that someone has point for point rebutted your OP, it would be interesting to hear your take on his arguments.

Talking about who it was or past debates or ignore lists is just boring. You want to debate the OP? Cool, go for it.

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TCLGirls

That's not the same thing. "Desertion" is a legal term that requires a state-of-mind inquiry.

Did Bergdahl "walk-off" or leave his post? YES.
Did Bergdahl "desert"? Unknown at this point...can only be answered once the military determines Bergdahl's state-of-mind when he walked off.

2MuchMark

No Vendzilla, it's not. You said this:

And, you called him a deserter several other times in this thread, when it simply is not true. That is my entire point. He's not a deserter, but you think he is because a lazy "journalist" with a dick that points forever to the right, called him that. You just assumed it was true. And now you've been proven wrong and you won't admit it.

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Robbie

Mark, you and Rachel Maddow aren't exactly "in the know" on this.

I have no clue if the guy deserted...I wouldn't blame him if he did. We had no business over there at all.

Here is the latest info I found when googling him.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...book/10356075/

Probably best for everyone (including Vendzilla) to withhold judgement until the military makes a decision on him.

I would say that IF he turns out to be a deserter...he should be executed because 6 other men DIED looking for him.
If it turns out that he's NOT a deserter...let's celebrate him!

We should all just wait and see.

By the way, everytime I watch Rachel Maddow's show...she is "reporting" on what some Republican is saying.
Not exactly reporting the news. And not exactly being a watchdog on the govt. (which is the job of the free press).

Smirking and laughing and acting elitist while looking for ways to make fun of people she disagrees with isn't a real reporter.

It's more like what you do on GFY. lol

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2MuchMark

I'm not quoting Rachel Maddow. I posted a picture of her laughing, as if she was laughing at Vendzilla.

Neither do I. Vendzilla said he was "Declared a deserter" but couldn't prove it. I showed him a link that says he was never "declared a deserter".


I wouldn't blame him either. I consider myself extremely lucky that I've never had to fight in any war, shoot a gun, or even be in a bar brawl (I'm a pussy). I can't imagine the hell that soldiers go through. My dad was in WWII and according to my mom had some serious issues he had to cope with.

Very good advice.


MSNBC is a left-leaning channel the way Fox is right-leaning (some would call super-right leaning). It's no surprise that most of the reports are about what the republicans are doing.

She doesn't do it. When she reports, she backs it up with alot of proof. I don't think I've ever seen her laugh at anyone, but she does enjoy what she does.

I watch Ed Shultz too but to me he's just the opposite of Rachael. He is too passionate / aggressive / something / something in the way that he talks. It can be entertaining sometimes but every once in a while, he makes me question what he's saying. Its rare, but still.

Hey now...


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Tom_PM

I feel compelled to point out that nobody died because of him. Soldiers died in the performance of their duties, period. And if we are sitting here thinking that his unit didn't know all of the details about him before launching rescue missions and all that, then maybe something is wrong with us. Simplest answer is often true.

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Honestly it doesn't matter, do you actually think Vendzilla will ever admit he's wrong? He just goes on harping about the next big outrage he hears about on Fox News or the right wing hate radio networks. Just like he claimed Obama was a Muslim, that Obamacare would have death panels, the irs targeted right wing groups and not left wing groups. The dribble just goes on and on and he never admits he was wrong nor does he care.

He's fueled by extremism and hate not facts and reality.

Rochard

I so want to hit that.

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Rochard

What the government and the military eventually decides here isn't important. He is most likely a deserter at best and perhaps a traitor at worst. It does not matter. He is a US Solider, and we do not - under any circumstances - leave our military behind.

Ever.

No one died because of him. They didn't die looking for him. Two of them were killed on base when the base was attacked. Four others were killed months later during the course of regular patrolling, which had nothing to do with a lost solider.

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So... much... spin...

Look, we all know that anything done by this administration will be painted in the worst possible light by the right, no matter if they would have done the same in their place (and then painted it in the best possible light). It's so predictable at this point.

This reminds me of the Pat Tillman saga in reverse. Remember him? All-American safety at Arizona State, starter for the Cardinals in the NFL, walked away from millions of $$ to join the Army Rangers and fight in Afghanistan. Good looking dude in a muscular granite-jaw sort of way, looked like a GI Joe character.

Then he gets killed in combat. The administration releases that it was a heroic death in battle with the Taliban and the media lap it up like a Japanese pornstar in a bukkake scene. He was trumpeted around as a sort of propaganda piece - Coulter, Hannity, all the usual suspects, kept invoking him as a symbol of what was good and necessary about our bullshit wars, tons of flag-waving. Ann Coulter creamed her panties rhapsodizing about him: "virtuous, pure, masculine like only an American male can be". He was on Fox 24/7, built into this legend of a Right Wing American Hero.

Then a funny thing happens. Some of the "facts" about his death didn't quite line up. Finally it comes out - he was gunned down by his own unit in a confusing event characterized by gross incompetence. It was a full-blown coverup by the army, aided and abetted by the right wing media and talking heads. It comes out he was an avowed atheist, thought the Iraq war was completely illegal, his favorite writer was Noam fucking Chomsky, and supposedly predicted in the event of his death they'd "parade me through the streets". The complete opposite of the legend created by the right wing, I dunno if anyone remembers just how blatantly they used him as a tool and a rallying cry.

Now Bergdahl ain't no Pat Tillman, that is for sure. He sounds like an unstable guy who walked away from his unit and probably had trouble beforehand too, certainly wasn't too popular with his platoon-mates. There are guys like this in every war and we never intentionally leave them to rot and die in captivity if we can help it. We get them back, there's an investigation, and if further punishment is warranted they'll get it. There are literally thousands of deserters each year during these last two wars. There were over 50,000 during WW2. Some people are just not cut out for a combat zone, and some that originally were eventually crack under pressure or disillusionment. It happens all the fucking time.

Here's a little further context for Bergdahl's platoon for those curious, to me it sounds like there was a serious leadership and organization problem across the board there. Was not a tightly run ship: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/us...-troubles.html

My point is that no matter what, shit will get spun to the millionth degree, and part of the problem is people like Vendzilla just parroting stuff before all the facts have come out, and parroting other nonsense just pulled out of his (or O'Reilly's, etc) ass because it fits his ideology. "We don't negotiate with terrorists" "He's a hostage not a POW" and so forth. It's like clockwork.

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Great post!

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