Business who's shooting in 4k?

[PR_Phil]

I brought this up a few months ago, looking for shooters who were on to 4k, there was not a lot of reaction which surprised me cause so many producers seem to hang around here. It seemed that most were just not ready to move on, weren't willing to invest in the equipment, or were assuming something better would come along soon making 4k a waste of time.

So, it's been a few months, I am still interested in shooting high end 4k content, just checking to see if some of you guys are also ready. If you are, please respond, tell me how it's going, if you like it and if in your opinion it is worth it. Last thing i want is someone who doesn't believe in 4k, shooting our 4k content.

[Jim_Gunn]

Hey Phil, I've had the pleasure of working with a new Sony PXW-Z100 video camera for 4K video on a commercial recently. The footage looks pretty amazing on a hi-res monitor- almost looks like one is looking through a window at a real world image rather than at a video. Of course the file sizes are gigantic and there are some other finicky elements to post-production.

It will be interesting to see if 4k catches on in mainstream and if it will push forward the adoption of 4k more broadly. Its been a little while since I did something with you guys and would love a cool new project. Hit me up, let's chat!

[Fat Panda]

www.bryci.com

[JayAllan]

We shoot 4k. Can shoot on Red Epic or Sony. I am buying a couple Panasonic 4k cameras as well.

www.jayallan.com/cinema

In answer to your questions about 4k. Everyone will be using it soon enough. All quality porn will be shot in 4k. There is no question. UHD will be the standard browser size in a couple years. all flat screens with shift to 4k resolution (actually UHD) All the TV makers will stop making 1080p sets. I have talked to Sony, Panasonic, etc. It is inevitable and happening sooner than the average guy on here thinks (as usual)

[marcop]

I know of several producers and/or websites that are shooting 4k or are experimenting with it. It'll take off in the next year or so, IMHO.

[marlboroack]

we do!

[DeanCapture]

I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some
of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls

If I ever do shoot 4K, I'll have to shoot thru half/dozen filters to soften that shit
up a bit

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls If I ever do shoot 4K, I'll have to shoot thru half/dozen filters to soften that shit up a bit

4KCandleLight.com

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some
of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls

If I ever do shoot 4K, I'll have to shoot thru half/dozen filters to soften that shit
up a bit

Deano... it's not so much like that from what I've seen... mostly just 'clarity/depth' in the set more so that in your face 'been out all night drunk on my ass' clarity ... hehehehe

just use the right lights in the right place and you'll be fine... you'll need a body that will allow you to shoot at F5.6

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls

If I ever do shoot 4K, I'll have to shoot thru half/dozen filters to soften that shit
up a bit

Agreed, it's not a turn on to see every pimple, stretch mark and other imperfection.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by JayAllan

We shoot 4k. Can shoot on Red Epic or Sony. I am buying a couple Panasonic 4k cameras as well.

www.jayallan.com/cinema

In answer to your questions about 4k. Everyone will be using it soon enough. All quality porn will be shot in 4k. There is no question. UHD will be the standard browser size in a couple years. all flat screens with shift to 4k resolution (actually UHD) All the TV makers will stop making 1080p sets. I have talked to Sony, Panasonic, etc. It is inevitable and happening sooner than the average guy on here thinks (as usual)

I agree with Jay.


I have shot on the RED Scarlet, Sony Fs700, Sony F5 and Sony PXW-Z100.


All of the good cameras are interchangeable lenses and are manual focus except for the PXW-Z100(Which I think the quality isn't as good as all of the other high end cameras on the market) and require a good knowledge of basic photography.

4K files are massive! You can do so many things with good 4K files in post that you cannot do with a lot of the 1080 files. 4K is the best way to future proof your content.


The down side is when it comes down to editing. Doing color passes, edits, tweaks, rendering, etc is a serious time killer. You need serious CPU power to work with these files.



One other issue I see right now is that the 4K camera quality is going to jump massively within the next year. Buying one today, isn't a great thing right now unless you have a steady deal to shoot 4K. Cameras are dropping in price, and newer better cameras are coming out.


I can get my hands on just about anything within 3 hours if there was a good shoot with a fair budget.


Just Dave

[NaughtyRob]

I believe in it, can't afford to buy the equipment.

[leg4]

Not yet..........but hope too soon.

[JayAllan]

http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle...t-640#/slide/1

[candyflip]

I've got a Blackmagic IRIS on order. Have thought about picking up a GH4 as well.

I don't shoot content.

[DennisK]

Everything on www.sindrive.com is shot in 4K

[scubadiver626]

We just bought a bunch of 1080 tv's and monitors and you want me to upgrade again? Ugh, I'll wait till it becomes way more common.

[XMaster]

We do with this baby :

[Cherry7]

How many lenses resolve at 4k?

How many human eyes resolve at 4k and at what distance? If the viewer has to be in a cinema to see any difference will this really catch on?

At the moment both cinema and TV are producing high quality content at 2k. And yet most are watching in formats that good quality DVD SD would be fine.

Other much more important factors regarding picture quality are ignored as this does not involve selling and requires learning.

Diffuse or focused light, subject and lighting contrast, good exposure, no flare or light scatter, lenses, f stop, focus, DOF ....

A good film crew will producer far better quality on 2k than an amateur with a 4k.

Producer higher quality images at no extra expense - read books.

[Dmcontent]

We shoot 4k since late 2012 , while our work is mainly for IPTV channels we do plan to open our own 4k site till the end of the year.

The only difficulty we find when working with 4k is Editing it takes...lets say time.

[Lykos]

We can always invest in new equipment and everything if there is enough of demand. Hit me up and we can talk details

[seeandsee]

I will need new hardware to run 4k HD vids i guess

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

How many lenses resolve at 4k?

How many human eyes resolve at 4k and at what distance? If the viewer has to be in a cinema to see any difference will this really catch on?

At the moment both cinema and TV are producing high quality content at 2k. And yet most are watching in formats that good quality DVD SD would be fine.

Other much more important factors regarding picture quality are ignored as this does not involve selling and requires learning.

Diffuse or focused light, subject and lighting contrast, good exposure, no flare or light scatter, lenses, f stop, focus, DOF ....

A good film crew will producer far better quality on 2k than an amateur with a 4k.

Producer higher quality images at no extra expense - read books.

I'm pretty sure there are some professionals in our industry, pretty insulting to say their isn't honestly. Have you looked at some of the 4k vids out there? My eyes notice the difference, i'm sure i'm not the only one.. If you recall HD sold FAR before its capabilities were utilized both with capturing and with file sizes, how is this different?

[SB_Content]

I've been shooting everything in 4K for about a year now. RED, BMPC, Canon, Sony... 128gb cards, 8TB hard drives, tons of lighting equipment Oh yeah, forgot about the 4k monitor, and graphic cards you have to buy so you can edit your footage in realtime. 2 hours per card to upload footage, about 4-8 hours to back up your work onto other hard drives. Start investing in good hard drives... Lots of them. Party's over for the run and gunners.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

I'm pretty sure there are some professionals in our industry, pretty insulting to say their isn't honestly. Have you looked at some of the 4k vids out there? My eyes notice the difference, i'm sure i'm not the only one.. If you recall HD sold FAR before its capabilities were utilized both with capturing and with file sizes, how is this different?

Cherry7 is one of those people who thinks that their shit doesn't stink, while shitting all over everyone else. Pretty much any post from this nick for the past, however many years, has been the same way.

[SB_Content]

Irony.... Most of the porn I watch is shitty amateur porn with shitty lighting shot on $100 handy cam.

[SB_Content]

I shot this one and a few others on the RED http://tinyurl.com/okgcnsn

[Jay-Rock]

I just pre-ordered the Panasonic GH4 and built a new monster editing platform to handle it. Shooting in 4k gives you more pixels and 4 times the bitrate giving you more latitude in post and captures more details. This is overkill for most internet clients however the company I am shooting for is more than just an internet company and is thinking about the future of broadcasting. Although it is currently pretty much useless to most people for porn in 10-15 years from now 4k will be what HD was 10 years ago. My camera was suppose to ship a couple of weeks ago but I am still waiting on Panasonic I hope to have it this month and shoot some tests like this against my 5D Mark III

Here is a test with the GH4 against Red Epic and 5D Mark III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kwMWb2KPB4

Make sure to set it to 4k on the settings. You can also download the raw clip.

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by JayAllan

We shoot 4k. Can shoot on Red Epic or Sony. I am buying a couple Panasonic 4k cameras as well.

www.jayallan.com/cinema

In answer to your questions about 4k. Everyone will be using it soon enough. All quality porn will be shot in 4k. There is no question. UHD will be the standard browser size in a couple years. all flat screens with shift to 4k resolution (actually UHD) All the TV makers will stop making 1080p sets. I have talked to Sony, Panasonic, etc. It is inevitable and happening sooner than the average guy on here thinks (as usual)

Why shoot in 4k if you are going to make it all misty, fuzzy, dreamy, soft focus, x-art style, which seems to be all the rage now days? What is the point of super sharp and then, as Dean Capture suggests, having to shoot through half a dozen filters to get the "soft" look? I never understood the soft look anyhow, I like seeing all those tiny folds of the labia in crystal clear sharp reality.

[JA$ON]

http://www.huccio.com not hardcore, but looks good

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

Why shoot in 4k if you are going to make it all misty, fuzzy, dreamy, soft focus, x-art style, which seems to be all the rage now days? What is the point of super sharp and then, as Dean Capture suggests, having to shoot through half a dozen filters to get the "soft" look? I never understood the soft look anyhow, I like seeing all those tiny folds of the labia in crystal clear sharp reality.

I'm not a producer, but from a marketing perspective we tend to maintain a balance between high quality yet keeping the fantasy aspect as well. It's a fine line, more so now that the quality has improved so much, but there definitely is a large market for the smoke and mirrors look still. Not to say there wouldn't be a market for the vivid realism as well, the amateur or now 'exgf' has a good sized market that isn't going anywhere either.

[Robbie]

Not me yet...but if I get the new Samsung Galaxy S5 phone...I might throw my Canon 5d MK III in the garbage and start shooting 4k with my phone. lol

[Robbie]

Fuck...that GH4 is cheap as shit! Just watched that vid of the comparison between the GH4, The MK III 5d, and The Red Epic 5K

Check it out:

[JayAllan]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

Why shoot in 4k if you are going to make it all misty, fuzzy, dreamy, soft focus, x-art style, which seems to be all the rage now days? What is the point of super sharp and then, as Dean Capture suggests, having to shoot through half a dozen filters to get the "soft" look? I never understood the soft look anyhow, I like seeing all those tiny folds of the labia in crystal clear sharp reality.

All our footage it razor sharp. We don't use ANY filters ever. We use minimal depth of field. Just because Dean would use filters doesn't mean it has to be done. I don't and won't. Great makeup is ALL you need. Our style is one that benefits the most from 4k

[JayAllan]

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

I just pre-ordered the Panasonic GH4

It is a great camera. Good only till 800 ASA but otherwise excellent

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Hey Phil, I've had the pleasure of working with a new Sony PXW-Z100 video camera for 4K video on a commercial recently. The footage looks pretty amazing on a hi-res monitor- almost looks like one is looking through a window at a real world image rather than at a video. Of course the file sizes are gigantic and there are some other finicky elements to post-production.

It will be interesting to see if 4k catches on in mainstream and if it will push forward the adoption of 4k more broadly. Its been a little while since I did something with you guys and would love a cool new project. Hit me up, let's chat!

Jim!

we've done so much together over the years, you don't need to look for me on GFY, I am sure you have my cell # somewhere. Whenever i need the shit fucked out of some East Coast girls, your the guy I call!

[purescotty]

EDIT: Just realized this was geared towards the actual shooters ;)


http://naughtyamerica4k.com/

We starting shooting all scenes for Naughtyamerica.com in 4K end of 2013.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by JayAllan

We shoot 4k. Can shoot on Red Epic or Sony. I am buying a couple Panasonic 4k cameras as well.

www.jayallan.com/cinema

In answer to your questions about 4k. Everyone will be using it soon enough. All quality porn will be shot in 4k. There is no question. UHD will be the standard browser size in a couple years. all flat screens with shift to 4k resolution (actually UHD) All the TV makers will stop making 1080p sets. I have talked to Sony, Panasonic, etc. It is inevitable and happening sooner than the average guy on here thinks (as usual)

I love that style of content, as someone who's been staring at prolapses and creampies for years, the soft sensual shit these days is awesome.

Regardless of what others say about softening up 4k, I think it looks tighter than softened up 1080. I just wouldn't shoot it myself, cause so many others are doing it well already.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by JayAllan

Good only till 800 ASA but otherwise excellent

ASA? That dates you, Jay. Actually, by pointing that out I guess it dates me too.

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by purescotty

EDIT: Just realized this was geared towards the actual shooters ;)


http://naughtyamerica4k.com/

We starting shooting all scenes for Naughtyamerica.com in 4K end of 2013.

Stream is corrupted, download gives me audio only.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

www.bryci.com

Bryci is hot, what a set of tits!

but I have a suggestion, don't take it the wrong way, just trying to help.

In your first content block, the first 4k video has a play button on it, that's a call to action, but nothing happens, it is not clickable. I bet 60% of everyone who hits the tour tries to click on that, it was the first thing I did.

it should do something, whether it is playing the trailer, or going to a join page, doesn't matter what, but something needs to happen, even if you just pop a message saying "members only"

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by marlboroack

we do!

just for yourself, or for others?

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some
of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls

If I ever do shoot 4K, I'll have to shoot thru half/dozen filters to soften that shit
up a bit

because it is you, I get it. You shoot mainly high end pornstars and make them look as hot as possible right? Well the truth is most amateurs are better looking than a high end pornstar. The problem with shooting real pro stuff in 4k is that those are the girls that viewers expect to be perfect, and they will never look perfect at 4k.

Amateurs on the other hand, are often beautiful naturally, and when a viewer watches amateur porn he is fine with seeing a zit or a scar in high definition because he expects it from an amateur. The viewer is looking for something completely different, with the pro stuff it is fantasy, but with the amateur stuff it is about believablity, "I could actually fuck this girl". I know it sounds weird thinking that pro shot porn is more meant for SD while amateur stuff would look great in 4k, but it's the way I feel about it, unless chicks with perfect skin and perfect hair and no acne start doing hardcore all of the sudden.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I agree with Jay.


One other issue I see right now is that the 4K camera quality is going to jump massively within the next year. Buying one today, isn't a great thing right now unless you have a steady deal to shoot 4K. Cameras are dropping in price, and newer better cameras are coming out.


Just Dave

So Dave, you think in another year this will be a lot more common?

I don't need to be an early adopter, I want producers to know exactly what they are doing before i move to 4k, but at the same time, i don't want to miss the boat.

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by JayAllan

All our footage it razor sharp. We don't use ANY filters ever. We use minimal depth of field. Just because Dean would use filters doesn't mean it has to be done. I don't and won't. Great makeup is ALL you need. Our style is one that benefits the most from 4k

Yes, thank you. I don't understand the soft focus. You can get the same result with a 2mpx legacy digital camera and save a lot of money. I love the increasing sharpness we get, sharp, piercing eyes peering back at you, eyelashes nice and clean, closeups of the eyes can really be fun, even the fabric of clothing crisp, the nuances of the shadows even in the threads. It is so personal, you can almost smell her.

[JayAllan]

Originally Posted by marcop

ASA? That dates you, Jay. Actually, by pointing that out I guess it dates me too.

So true

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by DennisK

Everything on www.sindrive.com is shot in 4K

4k fisting and pissing, definately not the same direction as most, the stuff looks really good. 1 thing I am having a hard time with, when looking at a lot of 4k stuff is shakiness. I think 4k amplifies it.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by purescotty

http://naughtyamerica4k.com/

We starting shooting all scenes for Naughtyamerica.com in 4K end of 2013.

I'm not sure what's going on...is that stream supposed to be actually streaming at 4K? lol

If so, then the file size would be crazy dumb. I'm assuming that you guys shoot in 4k and bring it down to 720 (or maybe even 1080 if you want it to glitch).

Speaking of glitching...I'm on Cox Cable here in Vegas coming down at almost 150 mbps...and that stream is stopping and starting and not streaming well at all.

Not sure if it's the size of the file you're using or your hosting...but it's not working well at all.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by JayAllan

http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle...t-640#/slide/1

FUCK FUCK FUCK! I'm getting one!!

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by PR_Phil

because it is you, I get it. You shoot mainly high end pornstars and make them look as hot as possible right? Well the truth is most amateurs are better looking than a high end pornstar. The problem with shooting real pro stuff in 4k is that those are the girls that viewers expect to be perfect, and they will never look perfect at 4k.

Amateurs on the other hand, are often beautiful naturally, and when a viewer watches amateur porn he is fine with seeing a zit or a scar in high definition because he expects it from an amateur. The viewer is looking for something completely different, with the pro stuff it is fantasy, but with the amateur stuff it is about believablity, "I could actually fuck this girl". I know it sounds weird thinking that pro shot porn is more meant for SD while amateur stuff would look great in 4k, but it's the way I feel about it, unless chicks with perfect skin and perfect hair and no acne start doing hardcore all of the sudden.

Interesting take on this, pro vs amateur angle. Pro girls tend to be older, and to me at least they have a more hardened look, crows feet, facial skin often more granular. With all the makeup the 4k will see and show all that makeup, and it doesn't look so good to me but guys who love pro might actually like it - I don't know. Weigh in on this guys, who likes the natural look and who likes the plastic look?