Corporations now have religious freedom & more than humans

[TheMaster]

the insanity of this Court continues:

According to the Supreme Court, Corporations Have More Religious Freedom Than Taxpayers

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...-of-obamacare/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJPmsTic2DY

[lock]

Helps control of the masses.

[sperbonzo]

I have no issue with contraception, but why should the government have the power to force you, as a business owner, to pay for the life choices that someone else makes? Should you be forced to pay for the ammo of your employees if they choose to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms, even if you don't like guns?




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[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I have no issue with contraception, but why should the government have the power to force you, as a business owner, to pay for the life choices that someone else makes? Should you be forced to pay for the ammo of your employees if they choose to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms, even if you don't like guns?




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lol somebody has been watching FOX, so how come nobody is talking about taking boner pills out those health care packages?

or why not take out blood transfusions, Jehova's witnesses don't like those, etc etc etc the examples are endless

maybe an employee might not agree with you doing sports, since that causes a lot of injures, why should they pay for your life choice?

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

lol somebody has been watching FOX, so how come nobody is talking about taking boner pills out those health care packages?

or why not take out blood transfusions, Jehova's witnesses don't like those, etc etc etc the examples are endless

maybe an employee might not agree with you doing sports, since that causes a lot of injures, why should they pay for your life choice?

I haven't watched FOX in a long long time.


I hope that they include EVERY exemption that you listed there, and any others that people object to.. A person should not be allowed to use the force of government to make someone else pay for their choices.



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[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I have no issue with contraception, but why should the government have the power to force you, as a business owner, to pay for the life choices that someone else makes? Should you be forced to pay for the ammo of your employees if they choose to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms, even if you don't like guns?




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why not? the government forces people to go against their religion to make cakes?

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

why not? the government forces people to go against their religion to make cakes?

I think that this is wrong also. Should a woman, in a place where prostitution is legal, be forced by the government to take on any man that wants to buy her services, even if she finds him disgusting?



Sorry, but I believe in the principle of free and voluntary association



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[12clicks]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I have no issue with contraception, but why should the government have the power to force you, as a business owner, to pay for the life choices that someone else makes? Should you be forced to pay for the ammo of your employees if they choose to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms, even if you don't like guns?




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because society's bottom demands that they get all their shit for free.

[vegasbobby]

YES Corporations are people to, everyone in this forum has one. We need them for taxes. Or we would not have them at all.

This is not about Corporations.

Its about what can Obama care force the employer to pay for.

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I haven't watched FOX in a long long time.


I hope that they include EVERY exemption that you listed there, and any others that people object to.. A person should not be allowed to use the force of government to make someone else pay for their choices.



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you do understand how insurance works right?

+ this makes it possible for companies to just invent reasons why they wouldn't want to cover things

[dyna mo]

"Let’s be clear about one thing. In the Hobby Lobby decision, the Supreme Court overturned a single regulation issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. It didn’t overturn a single provision of the Congressional statute enacted in 2010 called the Affordable Care Act."

[vegasbobby]

Guy, what give you the right to even have OBAMA CARE to begin with.??????

[TheMaster]

"In a decision of startling breadth, the Court holds that commercial enterprises, including corporations, along with partnerships and sole proprietorships, can opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs," Ginsburg wrote in her dissent

so once again corporations have rights, you as a human being don't have, got to luv this "democracy" you got there

also what straight man is against birth control, if you love sex with a woman of course

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I think that this is wrong also. Should a woman, in a place where prostitution is legal, be forced by the government to take on any man that wants to buy her services, even if she finds him disgusting?



Sorry, but I believe in the principle of free and voluntary association



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Thanks for proving the world's stupidest people live in Florida - AGAIN.

Jesus man - anything anyone objects to? We are talking HEALTH CARE and PEOPLE'S LIVES asshat. Life choices? What if she was raped? By her FATHER? Oh, too bad, my religious beliefs tell YOU to LIVE WITH IT BITCH.

Holy fuck this country is fucked.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I think that this is wrong also. Should a woman, in a place where prostitution is legal, be forced by the government to take on any man that wants to buy her services, even if she finds him disgusting?



Sorry, but I believe in the principle of free and voluntary association



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real life shows up

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Thanks for proving the world's stupidest people live in Florida - AGAIN.

Jesus man - anything anyone objects to? We are talking HEALTH CARE and PEOPLE'S LIVES asshat. Life choices? What if she was raped? By her FATHER? Oh, too bad, my religious beliefs tell YOU to LIVE WITH IT BITCH.

Holy fuck this country is fucked.

Where in Fl do you reside?

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Thanks for proving the world's stupidest people live in Florida - AGAIN.

Jesus man - anything anyone objects to? We are talking HEALTH CARE and PEOPLE'S LIVES asshat. Life choices? What if she was raped? By her FATHER? Oh, too bad, my religious beliefs tell YOU to LIVE WITH IT BITCH.

Holy fuck this country is fucked.

Well sperbonzo is right why should we have to pay for abortion pills. I could understand your point if someone got raped and this was the only way to get your morning after pill was through your employer but that's not the case. You can go to your local cvs for those pills.

Hell we all ready paying for boner pills wtf is the deal with that?

[beerptrol]

next they can stop paying for the medical bills for women who have babies out of wedlock or for kids of gay couples, due to religious beliefs and their life choices. Hell why pay the bill for parents who chose to have kids with medical problems when they could have chosen to abort it. Damn their life choices

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Thanks for proving the world's stupidest people live in Florida - AGAIN.

Jesus man - anything anyone objects to? We are talking HEALTH CARE and PEOPLE'S LIVES asshat. Life choices? What if she was raped? By her FATHER? Oh, too bad, my religious beliefs tell YOU to LIVE WITH IT BITCH.

Holy fuck this country is fucked.

why do our least intelligent have such a hard time understanding the constitution?

[Rochard]

I found this ruling rather surprising. A business can now decide which benefits to provide based the companies religious position?

What's next? A company decide not to hire women because their religious beliefs are that women should be housewives and stay at home?

I never understood the religious position on contraceptive and abortion. Why would anyone want an unloved / unwanted child to be born?

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do our least intelligent have such a hard time understanding the constitution?

why do people who claim to understand the constitution, usually understand it the least

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

why do people who claim to understand the constitution, usually understand it the least

most likely because they're from prague.

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What's next? A company decide not to hire women because their religious beliefs are that women should be housewives and stay at home?

bingo, but wait for it, there'll be some 'patriot' defending this right to discriminate in 3...2...1

[Barry-xlovecam]

I have to see this in the bigger picture: What sort of person works where contraception is an unwelcome intrusion into their personal life?

How narrow the ruling is will be the future issue -- the ruling in itself is not so important.

So far, the Robert's Court is a dismal failure like guess who?

Citizens United and now this -- SCOTUS has become more politically motivated and has recognized the rights of corporate entity far beyond narrow legal intent.

Allowing corporations, persons acting as legal entities, both personal and corporate political rights is a slippery slope. One man one vote is an American principle ... Why should groups of shareholders be allowed a second vote in what is essentially a personal voice?

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

According to the Supreme Court, Corporations Have More Religious Freedom Than Taxpayers

They didn't say your company can tell you not take them, it just said they don't have to pay for it. My insurance doesn't cover it, yet both my daughters are on it, just not that big of a deal.

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

most likely because they're from prague.

it took rather long for the most weak and ignorant of all defenses to be used, why is it always that a certain type of 'genius' resorts to use this as a reason why someone is wrong?

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

They didn't say your company can tell you not take them, it just said they don't have to pay for it. My insurance doesn't cover it, yet both my daughters are on it, just not that big of a deal.

Wizzo, read what Ginsburg wrote

In a decision of startling breadth, the Court holds that commercial enterprises, including corporations, along with partnerships and sole proprietorships, can opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs

contraception is just the first step, this can basically be used to deny anything

btw you coming to Prague in September?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Sure, someone doing business as a real person, sole proprietorship, or partner would have a real person's rights ...

[marcop]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I have no issue with contraception, but why should the government have the power to force you, as a business owner, to pay for the life choices that someone else makes?

I agree. I've lived in the US over 30 years, and the idea that your employer chooses and pays for your health insurance has never made any sense to me.

[iwantchixx]

The whole thing is bullshit.

"And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein."

We have followed our directions. The earth is full, plentiful and abundant in human life. The orders have been fulfilled, so why can't we defer pregnancies? Surprisingly, the Jehovah belief is that we have already done our duty to fill the earth and they support contraceptives.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

Wizzo, read what Ginsburg wrote



contraception is just the first step, this can basically be used to deny anything

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/140639831/

If i was a religious person and not a corporation i would be pissed....

[tony286]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I have no issue with contraception, but why should the government have the power to force you, as a business owner, to pay for the life choices that someone else makes? Should you be forced to pay for the ammo of your employees if they choose to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms, even if you don't like guns?




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Its not free,your health insurance is part of your pay package so they earn it. Also newsflash woman use birth control to regulate hormones not to just have sex.

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by tony286

Its not free,your health insurance is part of your pay package so they earn it. Also newsflash woman use birth control to regulate hormones not to just have sex.

you would think on this kind of forum everyone would be in favor of women having sex without it resulting in babies

[sperbonzo]

Food is FAR more important than contraception. Why don't we make it a law that all companies must provide all of the groceries for their employees?





.P.S. for those people that are talking about using contraceptives for the hormones, I offer this clarification for those of you who don't know which types of contraception Hobby Lobby objects to covering for its employees: The company objected to paying for emergency contraception including Plan B and Ella—both commonly known as the morning after pill—plus two types of IUDs. These are all designed to stop the implantation of an already fertilized egg and the company objects because they believe that these essentially amount to abortion. Contrary to pictures and comments posted on Facebook and the rest of the internet, the company is covering all 16 other legal forms of birth control including birth control pills.. . Just wanted to point that out.



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[Vendzilla]

Did any of you even read the decision?

Liberals going nuts again, blowing things out of proportion

What Hobby Lobby will not cover are four contraceptive methods that its owners fear are abortifacients:
Plan B (“The Morning After Pill”)
Ella (a similar type of “emergency contraception”)
Copper Intra-Uterine Device
IUD with progestin


Here's what they will cover
Male condoms
Female condoms
Diaphragms with spermicide
Sponges with spermicide
Cervical caps with spermicide
Spermicide alone
Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)
Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)
Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)
Contraceptive patches
Contraceptive rings
Progestin injections
Implantable rods
Vasectomies
Female sterilization surgeries
Female sterilization implants

Plus they have a minimum wage of $14 an hour. so what's the problem?

[KillerK]

Most of the idiots here just don't like the fact the company has anything to do with religion.

Wouldn't matter what they wanted to do.

Also, most people here don't even shop at hobby lobby.

[BFT3K]

[MaDalton]

first you guys complain about all the babies and foodstamps - now you complain about people trying to avoid getting babies..




























(actually i don't give a shit, one half of you will complain about everything Obama does and the other half with complain about the people that complain about Obama)

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by KillerK

Most of the idiots here just don't like the fact the company has anything to do with religion.

Wouldn't matter what they wanted to do.

Also, most people here don't even shop at hobby lobby.

I keep hearing this in my head

America is a great nation, help me "CHANGE" that!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

first you guys complain about all the babies and foodstamps - now you complain about people trying to avoid getting babies..
(actually i don't give a shit, one half of you will complain about everything Obama does and the other half with complain about the people that complain about Obama)

increase in the usage of Food stamps is due to a bad economy

Babies, I love babies

And this really has nothing to do with Obama

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

increase in the usage of Food stamps is due to a bad economy

Babies, I love babies

And this really has nothing to do with Obama

Walmart saved (stole) over $13 BILLION dollars using this "legal theft" method just last year...

[Cherry7]

What happened to the USA that loved science and rationality?

How did the richest country in the World become a religious fruit cake?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Walmart saved (stole) over $13 BILLION dollars using this "legal theft" method just last year...

I have no doubt that's true, that's why they make so much money

Originally Posted by Cherry7

What happened to the USA that loved science and rationality?

How did the richest country in the World become a religious fruit cake?

The US has always been religious, it's in the constitution. Even though not many Christians signed the declaration

[tony286]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-coverage.html

god righties are truly sheep.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I have no doubt that's true, that's why they make so much money



The US has always been religious, it's in the constitution. Even though not many Christians signed the declaration

dude they cost taxplayers about 900k in benefits per store.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Food is FAR more important than contraception. Why don't we make it a law that all companies must provide all of the groceries for their employees?
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But the law isn't about employers supplying food to their employees, but instead choosing what healthcare they provide based on what god they worship.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheMaster

"In a decision of startling breadth, the Court holds that commercial enterprises, including corporations, along with partnerships and sole proprietorships, can opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs," Ginsburg wrote in her dissent

so once again corporations have rights, you as a human being don't have, got to luv this "democracy" you got there

also what straight man is against birth control, if you love sex with a woman of course

1. Just because a justice writes something in a dissent does not make it law.
2. The ruling had nothing to do with birth control; birth control prevents conception. It was against things like the morning after pill and IUDs because they kill fertilized eggs; in other words, aborting the fetus if you believe life begins at conception which is scientifically factual.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But the law isn't about employers supplying food to their employees, but instead choosing what healthcare they provide based on what god they worship.

EVERY insurance policy I have ever had since 1969 has had items that were not covered.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

dude they cost taxplayers about 900k in benefits per store.

And this has what to do with the OP?

Why are the liberals always changing the subject?

They bitch that the supreme court has taken away women's rights and waged a war on women, then they are corrected with the facts that Hobby Lobby is providing contraception, 16 different kinds, they just don't want to pay for abortion medication! That the company is even providing a $14 an hour minimum wage, yet they still want to boycott them?

Instead of backing off, they change the subject to food stamps

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Where in Fl do you reside?

The only intelligent part: Manhattan.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do our least intelligent have such a hard time understanding the constitution?

I don't know, ask your fellow fucktards from Florida.

SEPERATION of MOTHERFUCKING CHURCH and MOTHERFUCKING STATE. Get it?
Obviously not.

Carry on, and God help us all.