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Old 08-26-2014, 03:22 PM   #101
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What do you mean "draconian"? It's easier to purchase a firearm than it is to get a driver's license.
I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about in Canada. Google the procedures for acquiring, storing, using and transporting restricted firearms in Canada. It is most certainly not easier than getting a drivers license. And the kicker is you are only allowed to use them at gun clubs.

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Old 08-26-2014, 03:26 PM   #102
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Do you have kids?
No, but this isn't matter of having kids. I simply asked about the advantage. Let's not make this any harder or complicated.

I am not scientist, but simply saying "it's obvious" and that should convince me, simply isn't enough. It has nothing to do with you, with your kids or whether there is such advantage or not. It's just principle, matter of being objective.
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Old 08-26-2014, 04:09 PM   #103
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Not really.
Every once in a while I underestimate the stupidity of some of the people here; I apologize.
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This is why 9 year olds don't have any business shooting a fucking UZI. Yes the 9 year old girl was shooting a fucking fully automatic UZI.

Fucking parents of the year.. Any parent whom thinks it's a good idea to have their 9 year old kid shooting a fucking UZI should be checked into a mental hospital and the kid should be removed from their home.

This is the fucking video.. They are lucky the girl isn't dead as well and who ever else was there.



Anyone that tries to argue that this is about gun rights is a fucking idiot.

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Old 08-27-2014, 12:06 AM   #105
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I sure wish that GFY would makes an adults-only section, where the fucking kids are not allowed to post.
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Old 08-27-2014, 12:30 AM   #106
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Old 08-27-2014, 02:05 AM   #107
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Every once in a while I underestimate the stupidity of some of the people here; I apologize.
No one has yet stated that "obvious advantage", despite of me asking it many times. If it's so fucking obvious, it shouldn't be that hard. I have the balls to question things, do you?
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Nothing wrong with a kid under supervision shooting a .22, but an uzi on auto?
You gotta admit, that's pretty stupid.

That kid is gonna be fucked up for life, shooting someone in the head at 9 years old.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:08 AM   #109
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:20 AM   #110
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No, but this isn't matter of having kids. I simply asked about the advantage. Let's not make this any harder or complicated.
You don't have kids but you feel you're an expert on raising them?

Isn't that like a woman giving a man advice about taking care of his cock? Or better yet, a politician without kids telling us parents how to raise our kids? I see things much different than I did when I was childless. First and foremost, I think of my children's safety and well being and if that means teaching them gun safety and arming them, then hell yes, I will do it. If you don't have kids, you will never understand this feeling. You can continue thumping your chest, telling me what's best for my kids but your opinion is moot. When you get your dick wet and pump out some kids, then come back and tell us how you feel. Until then, you may want to play down your role as forum know-it-all and expand your horizons. No offense, but you come across as an arrogant and pompous ass.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:45 AM   #111
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You don't have kids but you feel you're an expert on raising them?
I asked question, fucking question!!!! Come on, don't you guys get the concept of question? You are making this more complicated as it should be. And this is not a matter of having kids anyway. Simply having kids doesn't make anyone scientist or something like that. If there would some woman come and tell me that I am father, do you think that God will touch my shoulder and make me some sort of super dad? Instantly I will be fucking expert and know everything about kids and how to raise them?

How to raise kids is not some secrect information. Not to mention about the science regarding human biology, behaviour, etc. And if we talk again about the gun safety, neither that is some sort of secret information and it surely doesn't require having kids.

Here is my "super arrogant" and "know it all" message about teaching kids to shoot. The rest is just fighting with you guys, those seem to have some problems with simple conversation.

"I would teach my kids to shoot, but probably not at 8 years old (with real guns). Some airgun will do fine at that age and it will teach right shooting techique much better than guns with gunpowder."

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This is why 9 year olds don't have any business shooting a fucking UZI. Yes the 9 year old girl was shooting a fucking fully automatic UZI.

Fucking parents of the year.. Any parent whom thinks it's a good idea to have their 9 year old kid shooting a fucking UZI should be checked into a mental hospital and the kid should be removed from their home.

This is the fucking video.. They are lucky the girl isn't dead as well and who ever else was there.



Anyone that tries to argue that this is about gun rights is a fucking idiot.

Incredible isn't it.

9 years old! But people still seem to think it's a normal thing to do. 9 years old !!!
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If there would some woman come and tell me that I am father, do you think that God will touch my shoulder and make me some sort of super dad? Instantly I will be fucking expert and know everything about kids and how to raise them?
This right here tells me you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Any douchebag and cum in a chick and have a bastard child he's too selfish to support. But a real father who helps raise his kids undergoes hormone and biological changes. It doesn't make use experts, quite the contrary. But I would take advice from other fathers before I take advice from a childless man or a deadbeat dad. You think you have all the answers but in reality, you're just making yourself look like an asshole.

Here's a good article to read -- http://www.livescience.com/46322-fat...ges-brain.html
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This right here tells me you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Any douchebag and cum in a chick and have a bastard child he's too selfish to support. But a real father who helps raise his kids undergoes hormone and biological changes. It doesn't make use experts, quite the contrary. But I would take advice from other fathers before I take advice from a childless man or a deadbeat dad. You think you have all the answers but in reality, you're just making yourself look like an asshole.

Here's a good article to read -- http://www.livescience.com/46322-fat...ges-brain.html
Having childs or falling in love mainly just lovers testosterone levels, not making you to some fucking expert about kids, as you did said.

And certainly I haven't said or thought that I would have all the answers. You just can't handle simple conversation without turning it personal. Using arguments is what this is about. Childs use that "You are stupid." when they are out of arguments. If you are so fucking grown up, act like one.

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Having childs or falling in love mainly just lovers testosterone levels, not making you to some fucking expert about kids, as you did said.
Go home, you're drunk.
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Go home, you're drunk.
I read, and just few messages ago that was so fucking important, that it had to even be fought about (for nothing).

"Fathers may not want to hear that their testosterone levels are dropping, but new research bears that out, finding that the male hormone plummets in men after they have children — most dramatically in dads who really involve themselves in the nitty-gritty of child rearing"

http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/1...-testosterone/
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This is why 9 year olds don't have any business shooting a fucking UZI. Yes the 9 year old girl was shooting a fucking fully automatic UZI.

Fucking parents of the year.. Any parent whom thinks it's a good idea to have their 9 year old kid shooting a fucking UZI should be checked into a mental hospital and the kid should be removed from their home.

This is the fucking video.. They are lucky the girl isn't dead as well and who ever else was there.



Anyone that tries to argue that this is about gun rights is a fucking idiot.
I saw this video earlier on the news. Fucking insane. This isn't about guns or gun laws; This is about common sense. You don't hand a nine year a chain saw and teach him how to cut down trees - they just don't have the strength for that kind of stuff.
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I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about in Canada. Google the procedures for acquiring, storing, using and transporting restricted firearms in Canada. It is most certainly not easier than getting a drivers license. And the kicker is you are only allowed to use them at gun clubs.
I did not catch that....

The problem is here in the US we let anyone have firearms. Last night a man was arrested in Southern California for just randomly shooting people and dogs over the past five days. That's fucking insane.
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This is why 9 year olds don't have any business shooting a fucking UZI. Yes the 9 year old girl was shooting a fucking fully automatic UZI.

Fucking parents of the year.. Any parent whom thinks it's a good idea to have their 9 year old kid shooting a fucking UZI should be checked into a mental hospital and the kid should be removed from their home.

This is the fucking video.. They are lucky the girl isn't dead as well and who ever else was there.



Anyone that tries to argue that this is about gun rights is a fucking idiot.
What is your point? Clearly this went poorly, but are you suggesting it should be illegal? It doesn't look to me that anyone in the video was forced to be there. It's none of your business what idiots do on their own property.
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Here are some facts,

AKA123 doesn't know shit about the subject and feels it's ok to be an asshole but demand decorum when answering him, he's a troll

Crockett full of shit, or Crockett science.

People have been teaching their children to shoot firearms since they were invented, if your child is not ready at the age of 8, you have already failed as a parent.

You don't put an automatic weapon in the hands of a 9 year old.

If you are teaching anyone to use an automatic weapon, you put 3 rounds max in the magazine and see how they do, then 3 again. Slowly putting in more. The range teacher was an idiot and paid the price. I watched the video on the news, he was an idiot for putting more than 3 rounds in the firearm, you don't do that at any age!
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Fuck you are an idiot!

My daughter has always read above the grade level, has always excelled above the other children in the class because she was given a love for books at an early age. She had plenty of time to be a kid, she had a pony, well she actually had two. She rode in parades. She had a better childhood than most and you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. She grew a garden, she went camping, she shot guns with her daddy, she rode in hot rods, she learned to weld with an arc welder at age 12. I guess your parents let the TV raise you, shows in your ignorant comments

Do the world a favor and don't have any off spring
So just because you were able to give your kid everything she ever wanted makes aka123 an idiot?

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You seriously are an idiot!

I guess you didn't learn to read until much later in life! LOL
Christ man, why are you picking on him? He's right - Airguns are dangerous too. They won't kill a person but imagine how you would feel if your daughter shot out someones eye? Or her own?

Just because you gave your daughter a gun and taught her to shoot doesn't mean its right. Guns are dangerous and the laws are lopsided. A kid can't learn to drive until they are at least 16. Why should a kid be allowed to shoot a gun before they are 16?

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Did your teachers teach you with rocks to the head, Can you not understand what I have said?

What you are saying makes no fucking sense, are you that fucking retarded?

Never said anything before 8, why is that an important thing, you fucking retard, instead you bring up babies? Are you high?

First you say use air guns, then you don't, make up your fucking mind!

And if you are going to question how I raised my kid, please tell me where I went wrong when at 26 she has a degree and is a veteran you low life piece of shit!


Squad leader, wtf is that? Does that mean you are in the boy scouts?
What the fuck do you do in this industry?
You said "Fuck" 4 times and insulted AKA 8 times in a single post, just because you don't agree with him. Why so hostile? Are you scared that maybe he is right and you are wrong?


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Fuck you low life, if you don't want attitude, don't act like a fucking moron!
5....6... plus 2 more insults. Wow man... have beer or something.


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Fuck off shit head, you post one persons opinion and state that it's fact, your're as fucking ignorant and this other troll that can't even say what he does in the industry

Ok, off to do some work on my bike, have a nice day shit for brains.

I fucking hate trolls

Vendzilla no one is trolling you. People are just expressing their opinions, and you are getting all bent out of shape about it. As much as you love guns, others thing guns are wrong and unnecessary. Many gun lovers have been scared into buying guns with the usual right wing scare tactics. I don't know if you are one of them but sometimes you sound like it. Why not either accept the idea that guns can kill and that maybe children should not be allowed to use them, or, provide a good answer why you think they should.
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Kids in other countries handle automatic weapons all the time.

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The joke is that my opinion even isn't that much different about kids and guns. I would just wait a few more years, but apparently it's 8 years old or nothing. But no Uzis, or machine guns or whatever. I hunt and sport shoot, not preparing for personal war.

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Ya just like your post in the burger king moving to Canada thread. You are one ignorant old fool. Odd that you won't reply when you got owned there eh?
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Here are some facts,

AKA123 doesn't know shit about the subject and feels it's ok to be an asshole but demand decorum when answering him, he's a troll
I love how you think everything you think you know about anyone or anything is a "Fact". Just because you say something is what it is does not make it true. I read what AKA said and I agree with most of what he said. Your "Facts", are "false", and I suspect you are lying to yourself as much as you lie to everyone else here on GFY.


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People have been teaching their children to shoot firearms since they were invented, if your child is not ready at the age of 8, you have already failed as a parent.
The best thing a parent can do is love their child and teach the value of live and life and the world. Of course teach them too that there are bad people and bad things and to learn how to defend themselves. You can also teach them good sportsmanship and how to shoot but only when they have reached an age where they know right from wrong, and especially WHAT DEATH IS.

Me being a geek though, the first thing I would want them to learn is SCIENCE, but I think you have problems with this idea so I'll leave it for another thread.


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I fail to understand why a nine year old should be taught how to use a firearm.

Children are children and shouldn't be given weapons. This is why we don't give six year old knives and why we don't let children play in the kitchen (so they don't burn themselves on the stove). We also don't let our nine year olds drive. (Or vote or drink or smoke.)
Exactly. I agree with you 100%.
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And they know the style, as they have had bullets in mothers milk.

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So just because you were able to give your kid everything she ever wanted makes aka123 an idiot?



Christ man, why are you picking on him? He's right - Airguns are dangerous too. They won't kill a person but imagine how you would feel if your daughter shot out someones eye? Or her own?

Just because you gave your daughter a gun and taught her to shoot doesn't mean its right. Guns are dangerous and the laws are lopsided. A kid can't learn to drive until they are at least 16. Why should a kid be allowed to shoot a gun before they are 16?



You said "Fuck" 4 times and insulted AKA 8 times in a single post, just because you don't agree with him. Why so hostile? Are you scared that maybe he is right and you are wrong?




5....6... plus 2 more insults. Wow man... have beer or something.





Vendzilla no one is trolling you. People are just expressing their opinions, and you are getting all bent out of shape about it. As much as you love guns, others thing guns are wrong and unnecessary. Many gun lovers have been scared into buying guns with the usual right wing scare tactics. I don't know if you are one of them but sometimes you sound like it. Why not either accept the idea that guns can kill and that maybe children should not be allowed to use them, or, provide a good answer why you think they should.
I have you on ignore, but I'm going to answer you because you were such a fucking asshole to me.

Every time you and I get into it, you bring up I hate Obama because he's black, basically calling me a racist. You have a limited imagination and have nothing to offer in this or any conversation.

That shit for brains AKA has been dogging me in many threads, he is a fucking troll, bringing up things like I said them when I never said that, trying to put words in my mouth and even using the word babies when we were talking about 8 year olds.

You are a fucking moron, have always been a fucking moron and have nothing but shit between your ears, ok?

back on ignore

When you learn to read, maybe I will take you off ignore
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That shit for brains AKA has been dogging me in many threads, he is a fucking troll, bringing up things like I said them when I never said that, trying to put words in my mouth and even using the word babies when we were talking about 8 year olds.
The baby thing was question, since I was trying to find out your opinion about the proper age to teach gun safety (in any way). Also, I think that this is first thread where I even answered to you (not many times anyways). All this fighting makes it feel like a lifetime, but still. We are new acquaintances, and look how well it started.

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The joke is that my opinion even isn't that much different about kids and guns. I would just wait a few more years, but apparently it's 8 years old or nothing. But no Uzis, or machine guns or whatever. I hunt and sport shoot, not preparing for personal war.
So you don't have any kids

And you wouldn't share your sport of guns with your kids?

You want a happy, well rounded kid, share your sports with them as I have and millions more in the US.

The NRA has many youth programs.

You shouldn't wrap your kids in bubble wrap
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Old 08-27-2014, 02:46 PM   #131
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The baby thing was question, since I was trying to find out your opinion about the proper age to teach gun safety (in any way). Also, I think that this is first thread where I even answered to you (not many times anyways). All this fighting makes it feel like a lifetime, but still. We are new acquaintances, and look how well it started.
You know fucking well that I stated that my kid was 8, so where the FUCK do you think I think the proper age is to teach a kid? ARE YOU THAT FUCKING IGNORANT?

You're a fucking troll, leave this place
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Old 08-27-2014, 02:50 PM   #132
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People have been teaching their children to shoot firearms since they were invented, if your child is not ready at the age of 8, you have already failed as a parent.


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So you don't have any kids

And you wouldn't share your sport of guns with your kids?

You want a happy, well rounded kid, share your sports with them as I have and millions more in the US.

The NRA has many youth programs.

You shouldn't wrap your kids in bubble wrap
Don't you read what I write? My kids would learn to shoot at the age of 8, but with airguns, and later on when they are a bit older, I would introduce them for "real guns". Well, I would let them test fire .22 earlier on, but just to fill curiosity.

Yes, NRA has probably a lot of things, I don't doubt that. Even if I wouldn't introduce my kids to guns at all, it wouldn't be anykind of "bubble wrap". Most kids in the world aren't introduced to guns at early age or many (or most) at all in their lives, and they do just fine.

I am anyways mostly to hunting and fishing. Guns are just means to get prey.

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You know fucking well that I stated that my kid was 8, so where the FUCK do you think I think the proper age is to teach a kid? ARE YOU THAT FUCKING IGNORANT?

You're a fucking troll, leave this place
You said that you teached your kid to shoot at the age of 8, but we were talking about gun safety and they are not synonyms. Also, I was asking more general opinion. So many things can influence what you did regarding your children. Maybe you were in Vietnam or something, and you missed your opportunity to teach your kid to shoot at the age of 4. Or maybe your kid was so wonderchild that you teached her earlier, than you would have otherwise.
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You said that you teached your kid to shoot at the age of 8, but we were talking about gun safety and they are not synonyms. Also, I was asking more general opinion. So many things can influence what you did regarding your children. Maybe you were in Vietnam or something, and you missed your opportunity to teach your kid to shoot at the age of 4. Or maybe your kid was so wonderchild that you teached her earlier, than you would have otherwise.
I said 8, that's what I said, you being the asshole that you are, came back with Babies, like I was the one being an asshole.

You're just trying too hard to back pedal from being an asshole

My daughter is a smart kid, but she learned around the same time I learned, and the same time my father learned.

You're like those idiots that want all BB guns to be painted pink. A BB gun is a fire arm and should not be allowed in the hands of kids that are not responsible with them.
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I'm sorry, are you confused?
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Whatever, it seems that you don't really read other's messages.
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Whatever, it seems that you don't really read other's messages.
Fuck You, I read where you said Babies, you were attacking my stand on training my daughter at the age of 8, you are a fucking retarded person if you think bringing up babies as an answer when I told you I trained her at 8!

Or don't you see the difference between 8 and a baby?

What other mental disorders do you have?

I hate trolls that can't even admit they are being trolls.
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I have you on ignore, but I'm going to answer you because you were such a fucking asshole to me.
I am just so damn handsome I am impossible to ignore. And sure I was an asshole to you, but you were an asshole to me first. Let's put all that aside now, and express our opinions calmly. Okay? ok.

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Every time you and I get into it, you bring up I hate Obama because he's black, basically calling me a racist. You have a limited imagination and have nothing to offer in this or any conversation.
This subject has nothing to do about racism. It has everything to do with children, with their child like minds and still fragile bodies and relatively weak muscles, handling an Uzi. It also has everything do with a person who made an incredible mistake in putting that child into that situation. He may be dead, but she is damaged forever. An incredibly stupid mistake has caused alot of damage. That is all this conversation is about.

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That shit for brains AKA has been dogging me in many threads, he is a fucking troll, bringing up things like I said them when I never said that, trying to put words in my mouth and even using the word babies when we were talking about 8 year olds.
So what? Why does he get to you? Stick to your facts as you see them, or your opinions as you want to express them, just the way he is doing. To me personally, he makes alot more sense than you not just because I agree with him but because he sticks to the point without getting all bent out of shape.

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You are a fucking moron, have always been a fucking moron and have nothing but shit between your ears, ok?
No, not ok. You think its ok but its not. You have your head in the sand and won't listen or engage in anyone who doesn't agree with you. You are calling me a moron when I am not.

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Fuck You, I read where you said Babies, you were attacking my stand on training my daughter at the age of 8, you are a fucking retarded person if you think bringing up babies as an answer when I told you I trained her at 8!

Or don't you see the difference between 8 and a baby?

What other mental disorders do you have?

I hate trolls that can't even admit they are being trolls.
Vendzilla, an 8 year old is still a baby. It's not an adult obviously and its not a teen. And no matter how old she is today, she is still your "baby", just the way you are still your Mom's baby, to your Mom.

Everyone is very happy that your daughter turned out to be a good, smart, well balanced person. Again, nobody is questioning that.

Alot of people just think that the gun problem in the US is out of control. There are so many deaths. So much killing. So many crazies doing crazy things. Making laws tougher to get guns has nothing at all to do with your rights, and everything to do with making the country a safer place to live in.

I think that people who do not see it this way have been "sold" on the idea that your rights and freedom to own guns is being taken away. I use the word "Sold" on purpose, and people like Ted Nugent, Wayne Lapierre and Charlton Heston are the ones who have sold this to you. Am I wrong? Tell me why good buddy and lets hammer this out.
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i am living in czech republic, and i am happy i dont need to own gun and have survival skills to go outside of my house. but i know there are some dangerous countries, and if i will have kids there and made any money to move my ass to other country to protect them, i will do it asap, and not teach them how to use gun to shoot at anything that is moving in your garden ... i am really sorry for all the people that must live there and have no other choice ... but if you can move, and you dont but you teach your kids how to use guns instead, you are nothing that piece of stupid dumb ass, and here i am talking nice ...

Whatttttt??????? I wish the world was perfect, but it's not.
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Good lord, what a kook. Why is it that the biggest supporters of guns are the exact people that shouldn't have guns?

They say we need a way to keep the mentally challenged away from fire arms? A good first step would be to find people that think they need guns to protect themselves from a government takeover.
I guess George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the founders were crazy for thinking we needed guns to protect us from the government. Those crazy bastards, who the fuck did they think they were?

If I am considered the crazy one it's because I have removed the blinders that the majority still gladly wear. I think my country is on a path that leads to a subjugated citizenry. Of which I and my loved ones are a part of. If you don't see the militarization of the police in the U.S. you are fucking blind.

Yes, I put ideas out there that are on the fringe. But I am the one who doesn't want them to come true. Unfortunately I'm a big picture guy and a student of history.

You, have drunk the kool aide.
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Absolutely agree. No government anywhere has ever taken over anyone. It's certainly not happening anywhere in the world these days, or even in the last 50 years. It just doesn't happen, and it never will again.

This kind of crazy talk should be a jailable offense. Any loony that thinks that the government will take all of their rights away, should have all of their rights taken away!

Government is the only good thing in our lives, and we must always be careful to be obedient to our kindly and benevolent leaders, as they selflessly sacrifice their own well-being in order to bring us all forward into lives of fulfillment and plenty!









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Haven't you guys heard about voting? And I don't mean just choosing between republicans and democrats. It's like voting between king and queen (and they are married, you know).
What country are you fucking from bro? It's a two party dictatorship. They both serve themselves and the corporate masters, the same masters.
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Typical thread about guns, people chiming in with zero experience about the subject offering conjecture about something they know absolutely nothing about!!

I taught my daughter, starting at about 8 years old, .22 pump rifle, M1 Carbine and a BB gun. Later an AR15 and S&W 40 pistol

She has never killed anyone

At age 26, she is a veteran of the US Navy and has a Bachelors degree...

So please, simpletons! Tell me where I screwed up?
Doesn't seem to me that you screwed up at all.
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Where did I say that I support the government taking guns away or restricting gun owners rights? I was implying that certain gun owners have a delusional Rambo fantasy that when the time comes they will be able to defeat the US military.

You want guns to protect your family? Go for it.
You want guns to hunt or as a hobby? Go for it.
You need guns in case the federal government takes over the country and you need to stamp out the threat? You're mentally ill and living in fantasy land.
Crazyfuckingdude!!!! The 2nd amendment was not added to the constitution in spot number 2 to promote fucking duck hunting or even personal protection. The simple reason that the founders of the U.S. included this provision at spot 2 was to assure that the first amendment was backed up by "We the people, armed to the fucking teeth" IT WAS THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT!!!!

Germany was very bohemian and had cafe's all over town where the meek sophisticates gather to read poetry and endevour in scholastic thought.

Then came Hitler and the NAZIs and the were the darlings of Germany the saviors of the Germanic peoples and then. TOTAL FUCKING WAR!!!!!!
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I guess George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the founders were crazy for thinking we needed guns to protect us from the government. Those crazy bastards, who the fuck did they think they were?

If I am considered the crazy one it's because I have removed the blinders that the majority still gladly wear. I think my country is on a path that leads to a subjugated citizenry. Of which I and my loved ones are a part of. If you don't see the militarization of the police in the U.S. you are fucking blind.

Yes, I put ideas out there that are on the fringe. But I am the one who doesn't want them to come true. Unfortunately I'm a big picture guy and a student of history.

You, have drunk the kool aide.
You failed history and you're an Alex Jones kook.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13...s-the-gun-nuts
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