News FBI stats actually prove that more guns = less crime. - GoFuckYourself.com

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 09:23 AM

According to the report, while background checks for firearm purchasers hit record levels in 2013 ? 21,093,273 to be exact ? ?violent crimes in 2013 decreased 4.4 percent when compared with 2012 figures, and the estimated number of property crimes decreased 4.1 percent.?

FBI Drops Truth-Bomb on Gun Control Advocates: Firearms Numbers at Record Levels & Violent Crime Decreases

Obviously this is bullshit. We all know guns kill people. Duh!

GFY needs to add a "troll" option to the Prefix drop down.

AntonMG · 11-19-2014, 09:26 AM

Yeah... and Canada just issued a study that proves that more Moose in your close environment makes for bigger dicks among the local population.

brassmonkey · 11-19-2014, 09:31 AM

the pros just kick the door in shooting.

arock10 · 11-19-2014, 09:32 AM

causation vs correlation

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AntonMG

Yeah... and Canada just issued a study that proves that more Moose in your close environment makes for bigger dicks among the local population.

Since you're a newer member to GFY, I'd like to invite you to gain a little credibility by posting a link to that study as I've done with the link to the FBI's findings.

I'm sure you wouldn't argue facts with bullshit fiction based on personal opinion and an anti-gun agenda.

tony286 · 11-19-2014, 09:38 AM

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

Here is a real report, not blogger fantasy.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

Here is a real report, not blogger fantasy.

Last I knew, the FBI's website wasn't a blog.

I added the link to them for a reason. Try checking it.

MaDalton · 11-19-2014, 09:42 AM

does that mean that we will have to buy millions of weapons over here to lower our gun death rate that is at the moment like 10% of what it is in the US?

;)

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

does that mean that we will have to buy millions of weapons over here to lower our gun death rate that is at the moment like 10% of what it is in the US?

;)

No, it means that people with slanted views from other countries should keep their ignorant opinions out of US politics.

AntonMG · 11-19-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Since you're a newer member to GFY, I'd like to invite you to gain a little credibility by posting a link to that study as I've done with the link to the FBI's findings.

I'm sure you wouldn't argue facts with bullshit fiction based on personal opinion and an anti-gun agenda.

It was irony...
I meant that according to who you ask, people will always find ways to manipulate the numbers the way they want.
My bad, should have added a couple of

to make my point clear.

BlackCrayon · 11-19-2014, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

No, it means that people with slanted views from other countries should keep their ignorant opinions out of US politics.

That's pretty xenophobic. Perhaps "more guns" might mean less crime in a county that is inundated with the misuse of illegal and legal guns but otherwise, it wouldn't.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

That's pretty xenophobic. Perhaps "more guns" might mean less crime in a county that is inundated with the misuse of illegal and legal guns but otherwise, it wouldn't.

You're kinda correct. Implying that the U.S. is "inundated" with the misuse of "legal guns" is a stretch though.

Considering my post is referencing an FBI report, I'd say it's obvious that the thread is in reference to the United States.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AntonMG

It was irony...
I meant that according to who you ask, people will always find ways to manipulate the numbers the way they want.
My bad, should have added a couple of

to make my point clear.

Irony? Seemed more like satire to me.

Anyway...I don't see any manipulation of the numbers here. I see statistics posted directly on the FBI's website. Statistics that debunk the current U.S. administrations' claims about gun control.

MaDalton · 11-19-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

No, it means that people with slanted views from other countries should keep their ignorant opinions out of US politics.

i see you lost your sense of humor somewhere on the way

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i see you lost your sense of humor somewhere on the way

Who me? Lose my sense of humor? LOL

You've got jokes!

So do I....Here's one for you....

Why did the foreigner chime in on a U.S. politics based thread?

MaDalton · 11-19-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Who me? Lose my sense of humor? LOL

You've got jokes!

So do I....Here's one for you....

Why did the foreigner chime in on a U.S. politics based thread?

because I felt like it

but what does an american do on a message board run by greeks? :P

dyna mo · 11-19-2014, 10:19 AM

we all know MaDalton loves to argue.

brassmonkey · 11-19-2014, 10:23 AM

the community makes less crime not shooting people.

most people even cops don't want to kill.

brassmonkey · 11-19-2014, 10:28 AM

Rochard · 11-19-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

According to the report, while background checks for firearm purchasers hit record levels in 2013 ? 21,093,273 to be exact ? ?violent crimes in 2013 decreased 4.4 percent when compared with 2012 figures, and the estimated number of property crimes decreased 4.1 percent.?

FBI Drops Truth-Bomb on Gun Control Advocates: Firearms Numbers at Record Levels & Violent Crime Decreases

Obviously this is bullshit. We all know guns kill people. Duh!

GFY needs to add a "troll" option to the Prefix drop down.

Can you show me exactly where in the report it discusses background checks?

I don't mean an article written about the report - I mean the report itself. When I look at report itself it doesn't say anything about firearm ownership or background checks.

Clay · 11-19-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Obviously this is bullshit. We all know guns kill people. Duh!

Chart: The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country - The Washington Post

Looks to me like the more guns there are the more death there is. Plenty of charts to back it up

heres one

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

because I felt like it

but what does an american do on a message board run by greeks? :P

Keeps himself entertained by trolling the Czechs, Canadians, Germans etc...

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Can you show me exactly where in the report it discusses background checks?

I don't mean an article written about the report - I mean the report itself. When I look at report itself it doesn't say anything about firearm ownership or background checks.

Nothing specifically stated that the background check numbers were from that individual report. It's comparing the stats to the report issued by the same agency.

However, if you're wanting to confirm the numbers directly from the FBI, you may do so here:

FBI ? National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Operations 2013

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Clay

Chart: The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country - The Washington Post

Looks to me like the more guns there are the more death there is. Plenty of charts to back it up

Plenty of other charts that prove U.S. gun control fails too.

Want to compare the firearms murder rates for states like CA & IL who have some of the toughest gun laws on the books? Yet, when more guns are sold there and concealed carry is legalized, gun crimes go down. Coincidence?

I've said it many times before and I'll say it again....

This is the United States of America. Guns are here to stay. Discussing a fairytale life without them is a waste of time. Discussing more regulations, restrictions and ani-gun laws is also a waste of time and tax dollars. There is no solution that will ever remove them from the public in America. Based on that, the only answer to gun violence is education, training and more law abiding citizens owning/carrying firearms. And THAT is what the FBI's numbers support.

flashfire · 11-19-2014, 11:04 AM

I have a rock that scares tigers away...and it works

no tigers yet anywhere

Rochard · 11-19-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Nothing specifically stated that the background check numbers were from that individual report. It's comparing the stats to the report issued by the same agency.

However, if you're wanting to confirm the numbers directly from the FBI, you may do so here:

FBI ? National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Operations 2013

Your post implies the FBI stats prove more guns equals less crime, but the report fails to mention anything about background checks or firearm ownership. You are drawing an imaginary line between the two and accepting it as fact.

On top of this, stats seem to indicate gun ownership is down... Drastically.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...anted=all&_r=0
Analysis: Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns - CNN.com
A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear | Pew Research Center

Over the past forty years, gun ownership is down and violent crime is down. Wouldn't one draw the conclusion that violent crime is down because gun ownership is down?

trevesty · 11-19-2014, 11:19 AM

Uh... correlation isn't causation. Please learn to analyze data before jumping to conclusions that fit your preconceived beliefs.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Your post implies the FBI stats prove more guns equals less crime, but the report fails to mention anything about background checks or firearm ownership. You are drawing an imaginary line between the two and accepting it as fact.

On top of this, stats seem to indicate gun ownership is down... Drastically.

Over the past forty years, gun ownership is down and violent crime is down. Wouldn't one draw the conclusion that violent crime is down because gun ownership is down?

I'm not drawing any lines. I shared a story and gave links to the reports that involve it.

Anybody who believes gun ownership is down is a complete fucking moron. Is the "Gun Fairy" picking them and destroying them while you sleep at night?

Gun ownership down....Now I've heard it all!

Instead of buying into what the NY times tells you, trying looking at the stats from the FBI and NSSF.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

Uh... correlation isn't causation. Please learn to analyze data before jumping to conclusions that fit your preconceived beliefs.

Hello Canadian.

Get the fuck out of my thread. When I want to discuss topics you're familiar with, like fucking a moose, you may chime in.

trevesty · 11-19-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I'm not drawing any lines. I shared a story and gave links to the reports that involve it.

Anybody who believes gun ownership is down is a complete fucking moron. Is the "Gun Fairy" picking them and destroying them while you sleep at night?

Gun ownership down....Now I've heard it all!

Instead of buying into what the NY times tells you, trying looking at the stats from the FBI and NSSF.

This took me 30 seconds on Google.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...anted=all&_r=0

There were plenty more links to other sites if the NY Times is too lefty looney commie scum for you.

trevesty · 11-19-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Hello Canadian.

Get the fuck out of my thread. When I want to discuss topics you're familiar with, like fucking a moose, you may chime in.

Lived in Canada for 4 weeks, born and raised in Missouri.

Thanks for proving my point about your inability to analyze data.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Instead of buying into what the NY times tells you, trying looking at the stats from the FBI and NSSF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevesty

This took me 30 seconds on Google.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...anted=all&_r=0

Outstanding job of paying attention.

Screw you and any "survey" you want to post. Surveys don't mean shit, factual statistics do. I invited you to post some and you respond with this drivel? I suppose I could go a bit easier on you considering I'm asking the impossible. What else did I expect other than nonsense? <----Rhetorical question...

Did't I already basically tell you to fuck off?

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

Lived in Canada for 4 weeks, born and raised in Missouri.

Thanks for proving my point about your inability to analyze data.

LOL, OK...Ya kinda got me there. However, I can only analyze the data before me and the data for you says "Canadian". This new data you've presented me with suggests you may have moved because you're anti-American.

Either way, fuck off Commie.

Rochard · 11-19-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I'm not drawing any lines. I shared a story and gave links to the reports that involve it.

The article draws the line. The article tells us the FBI report says higher firearm ownership leads to lower crime, but the truth is the report doesn't say anything about firearm ownership at all.

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Anybody who believes gun ownership is down is a complete fucking moron. Is the "Gun Fairy" picking them and destroying them while you sleep at night?

How about Factcheck.org?

Check out what they said:

In 2008, we explored the issue of whether more gun ownership meant more or less gun violence. What we found, and it still holds true, was that some studies had shown a statistical relationship between those factors ? areas with a higher prevalence of guns had higher prevalence of gun homicides and homicides in general. But studies haven?t been able to show a causal relationship ? that the mere presence of guns, as opposed to other factors, caused the higher rates of gun violence.

This just states the obvious, however. Gun crimes will go up where there is more guns.

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Instead of buying into what the NY times tells you, trying looking at the stats from the FBI and NSSF.

Show me some stats from fbi.gov about firearm ownership. Not background checks, gun ownership, for the past forty years which we can then compare to stats for violent crime.

AmeliaG · 11-19-2014, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Plenty of other charts that prove U.S. gun control fails too.

Want to compare the firearms murder rates for states like CA & IL who have some of the toughest gun laws on the books? Yet, when more guns are sold there and concealed carry is legalized, gun crimes go down. Coincidence?

I've said it many times before and I'll say it again....

This is the United States of America. Guns are here to stay. Discussing a fairytale life without them is a waste of time. Discussing more regulations, restrictions and ani-gun laws is also a waste of time and tax dollars. There is no solution that will ever remove them from the public in America. Based on that, the only answer to gun violence is education, training and more law abiding citizens owning/carrying firearms. And THAT is what the FBI's numbers support.

I actually find it kind of amazing that people will debate you on this based on nothing more than a lizard brain feeling that guns are scary.

Rochard · 11-19-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

This took me 30 seconds on Google.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...anted=all&_r=0

There were plenty more links to other sites if the NY Times is too lefty looney commie scum for you.

I had never given any thought to gun ownership and a quick search provided me with tons of info that gun ownership is down...

The NRA wants us to believe we need firearms to protect ourselves, but the truth is violent is on a forty year downward trend.

Here is another one:

Four Decade Decline In Gun Ownership? : GUNFAQ.ORG

xNetworx · 11-19-2014, 12:19 PM

So what is it like to have a micropenis?

Sly · 11-19-2014, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I had never given any thought to gun ownership and a quick search provided me with tons of info that gun ownership is down...

The NRA wants us to believe we need firearms to protect ourselves, but the truth is violent is on a forty year downward trend.

Here is another one:

Four Decade Decline In Gun Ownership? : GUNFAQ.ORG

So over the last four decades gun ownership is down, yet gun crimes are up?

bronco67 · 11-19-2014, 12:23 PM

A couple years of data doesn't even begin to qualify as a baseline.

Rochard · 11-19-2014, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Nothing specifically stated that the background check numbers were from that individual report. It's comparing the stats to the report issued by the same agency.

However, if you're wanting to confirm the numbers directly from the FBI, you may do so here:

FBI ? National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Operations 2013

I am not talking about background checks, I am talking about gun ownership.

Comparing background checks to gun ownership is like comparing apples to flat chested women. Background checks aren't only for firearm ownership, but also explosives. It even says so on the website you just linked:

The mission of the NICS Section is to enhance national security and public safety by providing the timely and accurate determination of a person?s eligibility to possess firearms and/or explosives in accordance with federal law.

Then you would have to factor in the amount of people who were denied, and the amount of people who passed a background check who never bought a firearm or bought a firearm and then sold it (or had it taken away).

Rochard · 11-19-2014, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I actually find it kind of amazing that people will debate you on this based on nothing more than a lizard brain feeling that guns are scary.

I don't believe that firearms are scary at all. I own multiple assault rifles myself.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Show me some stats from fbi.gov about firearm ownership. Not background checks, gun ownership, for the past forty years which we can then compare to stats for violent crime.

Nothing you posted showed any stats.

The stats you're asking me for can be found from the NSSF. Feel free to look them up yourself.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I actually find it kind of amazing that people will debate you on this based on nothing more than a lizard brain feeling that guns are scary.

LOL me too. Especially when my initial posts more or less states that the thread is just me trolling.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

So over the last four decades gun ownership is down, yet gun crimes are up?

And gun sales set new records almost every single year.

Gun ownership isn't down. Based on things like distrust for the media and personal privacy, people are less likely to honestly answer questions about gun ownership. This is why "surveys" are useless.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I am not talking about background checks, I am talking about gun ownership.

Comparing background checks to gun ownership is like comparing apples to flat chested women. Background checks aren't only for firearm ownership, but also explosives. It even says so on the website you just linked:

The mission of the NICS Section is to enhance national security and public safety by providing the timely and accurate determination of a person’s eligibility to possess firearms and/or explosives in accordance with federal law.

Then you would have to factor in the amount of people who were denied, and the amount of people who passed a background check who never bought a firearm or bought a firearm and then sold it (or had it taken away).

This falls under the category of "things that were covered in the initial article posted in this thread."

Got anything new, factual and relevant to add? I didn't think so....

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't believe that firearms are scary at all. I own multiple assault rifles myself.

I call bullshit and challenge you to post proof.

Show me the tax stamp for a single "Assault Rifle" you own.

Since I'm pretty sure you won't be able to post such proof, I'll gladly contact the ATF and notify them that you've publicly stated you own such items.

Until you provide proof of your tax stamps, I'll consider you a liar and/or a person in criminal possession of NFA restricted firearms.

dyna mo · 11-19-2014, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't believe that firearms are scary at all. I own multiple assault rifles myself.

I've asked you about your multiple assault rifles in the state of California before, you must have missed that, I'll ask again, how is it you say you are a law-abiding citizen therefor you don't worry about the police, yet have multiple assault rifles in CA, which is a monster felony?

not trolling, very interested.

Rochard · 11-19-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Nothing you posted showed any stats.

The stats you're asking me for can be found from the NSSF. Feel free to look them up yourself.

I posted... a graph that compared forty years of data from two sources that showed a downward trend of gun ownership....

Then:

The New York Times > Page Not Found
Analysis: Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns - CNN.com
A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear | Pew Research Center

How many stats do you need?

I am not pulling any data from NSSF or the NRA, because organizations that profit from gun ownership will always be suspect.

Rochard · 11-19-2014, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

This falls under the category of "things that were covered in the initial article posted in this thread."

You have yet to show gun ownership is up.

AaronM · 11-19-2014, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I posted... a graph that compared forty years of data from two sources that showed a downward trend of gun ownership....

Then:

The New York Times > Page Not Found
Analysis: Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns - CNN.com
A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear | Pew Research Center

How many stats do you need?

1 will do but you haven't been able to proven even that so far.

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