johnny o

i thought 80% of this board was racist, now i see it's closer to 99%. which is fine. that's what makes the world go around. everyone gets to do their own thing.

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L-Pink

Nice thinking, anyone who disagrees with your white guilter outlook is a racist. Wow.

johnny o

no, actually. anyone who's not even open minded enough to consider that WP exists.

quick question for you. would an average black person walking down the street trade places to have your life? yes or no

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It's better than shooting kids and causing chaos and needless destruction to communities and businesses as a result..

These guys are not smart.. Most of them are below average IQ or they wouldn't be beat cops in the first place..

So engage first would make it clear as day. Did the kid even point it at them? Or just go for it?

I do some what blame the kid for not listening to police to put his hands up. Or not shouting "it's just a toy".

Still if you are a cop you are a peace keeper.. Your job is not to shoot anyone and everyone you think might have a weapon.

If any Joe citizen shot this kid under the same assumption they would be charged with murder.

In the Mike Brown case I agree with the officers actions. In this one I do not.

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TheSquealer

You have no clue at all what the "average black person" would choose. The obvious guess would be "no". I would assume the "average" black person is quite content with his life, his family, his job and his friends. It's a bit bigoted to assume otherwise in my opinion. It's bordering on insane to suggest that a high 10's of millions of people don't want to be who they are and want to be another race.

I have never ever in my life heard a black person say sincerely "i wish i was you" or "i wish i was white" and neither have you.

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I was thinking the same.

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L-Pink

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tonyparra

Hey there, i dont hang around these parts much anymore and Im sure my post will fall on deaf ears and eyes but I always swing around to check out the board when I get a check or email from someone (few and and between these days lol)

Anyways I live in cleveland, and I get my haircut where some cops also get theirs. The kid in a description as described by a cop was mischievous but not bad, he did spend alot of time at the rec center and parents did not ever come to pick him up etc, when he did cause trouble the cop would talk to him but that was all that was needed. Basically to the cops who worked Cudell regularly he was well known and possibly unsupervised alot.

Unfortunately, the responding patrol did something very odd that goes against any and all training, that is, they pulled their patrol car within feet of the suspect who is reported as possessing and displaying a handgun, which has scared members of the public. Additionally, the driver pulls up in such a way that his passenger (the shooter) cannot safely deploy, assess the situation, take cover, and make a fitting decision. If the patrol had responded by placing a safe distance between the suspect and themselves, there is a significant probability this would have been a quickly resolved non-incident. Who pulls "into" the scene of a potential crime and dumps their patrol partner within feet of an armed suspect? This death is the result of a complete procedural disaster.

Im convinced that the kid never really heard or understood the officers command. You have literally around 2 seconds from when the officer deploys till when he fires so he basically hopped out shooting. The kid wasnt threatening anyone or pointing the toy at anyone, he did not break any laws. Ohio is an open carry state, and he was not in violation of the law. This case differs from Mike Brown by the fact the victim did not commit a crime before or during his encounter with the police.

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TheSquealer

If cops rolled up and he reached for the gun as they claim, that's all the law requires. I think you'd have a tough time proving in court that a 12 year old doesn't understand that.

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kane

The problem I have with this particular situation is that the car rolls up, the cop opens his door and shoots. The report of the account has several issues. First, it looks like the cops heading to the scene were never told that this was a kid and that eyewitnesses thought the gun was fake. If they had known that they likely would have had a different approach. Second, they screamed to put up his hands, but literally only about 1.5-2 seconds passes between their screams and them shooting. He could have been startled and just not reacted fast enough or was trying to say it was a toy and show them.

I understand that the cops need to protect themselves, but here it seems there was a better way to handle this. They should have been given all the information on their way to the scene and to me they should have pulled up 10-15 feet away from him and used the car as cover instead of hopping the curb and pulling up right next to him so that the cop in the passenger side had nowhere to get cover and felt exposed.

seeandsee

Why they shot at kids?

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MrBottomTooth

Are you implying that blacks have it so bad that the majority of them would rather live the life of a white person if given the chance? If i was black i'd be more offended by that assertion than any of the other juvenile racist stuff that gets posted on here.

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Slick

I'm sorry, but in this case, it's another case of the 12 year old being stupid. If he took the orange cap off the end and was running around scaring people for the fun of it, whatever, but once the police showed up and aimed their guns on him and said to put your hands up, the shit just got real. In ANY case, the police must protect themselves, I don't care who you are, but if the cops know or believe you have a gun and you reach for it and point it at them after they say to put your hands up, you're gonna get shot. A 12 year old is surely smart enough to know that.

Oh well, in any case, MORE LOOTING AND FREE TVS FOR EVERYONE !!!!

tonyparra

Im assuming from the post very few here have seen the video. I highly doubt there will be rioting in cleveland, even though the shooting of tamir rice was more unjustified, than mike brown and if you watch the video, similar to the john crawford in walmart incident video police showed up and shot on sight.

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Poor kid