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dyna mo 01-16-2015 03:56 PM

it's high school football season, god's got a lot on his plate this time of year, not sure if he has time for dony

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i think this is it Sapiens | Ideas with Paul Kennedy | CBC Radio

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360642)
Sounds like a good read. Where is this interview you listened to?

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind

The book surveys the history of humankind from the evolution of archaic human species in the Stone Age up to the twenty-first century. Its main argument is that Homo sapiens dominates the world because it is the only animal that can cooperate flexibly in large numbers. The book further argues that Homo sapiens can cooperate flexibly in large numbers, because it has a unique ability to believe in things existing purely in its own imagination, such as gods, nations, money and human rights. The book explains how all large scale human cooperation systems - including religions, political structures, trade networks and legal institutions - are ultimately based on fiction.

Other salient arguments of the book are that money is a system of mutual trust; that capitalism is a religion rather than only an economic theory; that empire has been the most successful political system of the last 2000 years; that the treatment of domesticated animals is among the worst crimes in history; that people today are not significantly happier than in past eras; and that humans are currently in the process of upgrading themselves into gods.


420 01-16-2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20360666)
it's high school football season, god's got a lot on his plate this time of year, not sure if he has time for dony

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God doesn't care if it's football or the crusades. He always favors one side more than the other.

Far-L 01-16-2015 06:35 PM

A so behold a miracle...

Come ye to GFY, a most unlikely place, a place of little faith
and even lessor trust
That he that is called Donny in the year of our Lord 2015
should inspire matters of faith
and bring together an understanding, borne from the verdant soil of earthy desire
that what is known cannot be shown to be true
unless all agree that it is
and therefore it is good because no one has doubt only the absence of doubt
that he that should fall from grace, and be the face of disgrace
reveals the beauty and the spirit of those that remain

Amen...

And fuck it...

Mutt 01-16-2015 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20360666)
it's high school football season, god's got a lot on his plate this time of year, not sure if he has time for dony

http://www.fwweekly.com/wp-content/u...05/kountze.jpg

God has always had a special place in his heart for American football teams, especially those based in the South.

2 Samuel 23:10 He arose, and smote the Bobcats of Guntersville until his hand was weary, and his hand clave unto the sword: and the LORD wrought a great victory that day; and the people returned after him only to spoil.

420 01-16-2015 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360782)
God has always had a special place in his heart for American football teams, especially those based in the South.

2 Samuel 23:10 He arose, and smote the Bobcats of Guntersville until his hand was weary, and his hand clave unto the sword: and the LORD wrought a great victory that day; and the people returned after him only to spoil.

What if both teams are from the south? They both believe god is on their side. How does the savior decide to favour the opponet of Guntersville? Point spread alone or is there some divine system?

Mutt 01-16-2015 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 420 (Post 20360783)
What if both teams are from the south? They both believe god is on their side. How does the savior decide to favour the opponet of Guntersville? Point spread alone or is there some divine system?

It's a Southern tradition that teams/cities take turns being on the right side of God. Teams that lose all the time are being punished for their iniquities, in the South that means a LOT of incest going on usually.

Grapesoda 01-16-2015 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20360613)
I do too. Its on audible. :)

thanks... found it

Grapesoda 01-16-2015 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360636)
I' ve never listened to an audio book. I listen to a ton of radio shows and podcasts but I would feel guilty listening to an audio book that was meant to be read. I know it's silly, I will try an audio book soon. I doubt I'd retain as much though with an audio book.

my hands are busy with simple task so I can' t hold a book

TheSquealer 01-17-2015 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360660)
This always gets reduced to 'God works in mysterious ways', 'some things are beyond our understanding' and it all comes down to 'faith'. The greatest theological minds today and throughout history, brilliant people, but in the end the best they can come up with is 'faith', which I admit is better than the crazy ones who actually try to cobble together explanations based on some fucked up understanding they have of science i.e. Intelligent Design


I think strident atheists have their own issues, there are too many unsolved mysteries beyond our understanding and knowledge to claim we know the truth, saying there is nothing is no more fact than saying there is something. Atheists work on faith too.

I don't have an opinion on religion really. I believe its an important step in the evolution of man and necessary. Monotheistic religions (as i've said in the past) are at their core, simply a collection of laws (namely, moral laws), rules on food safety and cleanliness. These are important as man became sedentary and we went from small groups of 40-50-100 to large cities. These rules and laws are many times more effective when coupled with the shared belief that not only is someone that you can never hide from watching you, but that in case you thought you were getting away with something, you'll still have to answer for it in the end. Of course there are many added benefits as well... for example, its a way of telling the people and Pharaoh, he's not only not a God, but he'll answer to someone bigger and subverting his power. Monotheistic religions tend to provide a lot of simple and comforting answers to troubling and often unanswerable questions.

At the end of the day, there is no possible way to prove there is no God. As the great James Randi said, you can't prove a negative. Therefore, from a simple perspective of logic and reason, the existence of God, cannot be fully dismissed. If you chose to, that is also a matter of faith, not fact.

To me, if it makes you a better person, makes you want to be a better person and makes you happy and doesn't affect me.... then why not.

edgeprod 01-17-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam (Post 20360287)
Is that so?
Would that be because of his "highly successful SEO host" or because of his "highly successful pr company" ? hahaha

How about because his house alone is worth more money than most adult webmasters will see in two decades?

Far-L 01-17-2015 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20361340)
How about because his house alone is worth more money than most adult webmasters will see in two decades?

His motorcycle is worth more than most will make in two decades.

One thing I have learned over the years is to never over or under estimate anyone else. One of the richest people in this business drove his 94 Volvo until just recently and he has the kind of money where a fleet of Bentleys color coded for every day of the week would be like pocket change.

Bryan G 01-17-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20361346)
His motorcycle is worth more than most will make in two decades.

One thing I have learned over the years is to never over or under estimate anyone else. One of the richest people in this business drove his 94 Volvo until just recently and he has the kind of money where a fleet of Bentleys color coded for every day of the week would be like pocket change.

Never underestimate what someone has or does not have. In my experience the ones that feel the need to peacock themselves are not nearly as well off as they like to appear.

AaronM 01-17-2015 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20361340)
How about because his house alone is worth more money than most adult webmasters will see in two decades?


Is that American decades or Canadian decades?

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TampaToker 01-17-2015 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 20361362)
Is that American decades or Canadian decades?

:1orglaugh

baddog 01-17-2015 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 20361650)
:1orglaugh

Of course, SOS will act like he doesn't get it.

edgeprod 01-17-2015 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 20361362)
Is that American decades or Canadian decades?

:1orglaugh I'd imagine that Canadian decades are measured from one hoisting of Lord Stanley's Cup to another.

baddog 01-17-2015 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20361739)
:1orglaugh I'd imagine that Canadian decades are measured from one hoisting of Lord Stanley's Cup to another.

I almost choked :1orglaugh

fappingJack 01-17-2015 08:46 PM

Again and again and again and again.

Useless Warrior 01-17-2015 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20361004)
As the great James Randi said, you can't prove a negative.

He's an atheist. :2 cents:

I assume you also believe in unicorns.

L-Pink 01-17-2015 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360636)
I' ve never listened to an audio book. I listen to a ton of radio shows and podcasts but I would feel guilty listening to an audio book that was meant to be read. I know it's silly, I will try an audio book soon. I doubt I'd retain as much though with an audio book.

Audio books are great when you are driving for any length of time.



.

baddog 01-17-2015 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20361790)
Audio books are great when you are driving for any length of time.



.

I am afraid that would put me to sleep; I like to rock out.

TheSquealer 01-18-2015 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 20361787)
He's an atheist. :2 cents:

I assume you also believe in unicorns.

Of course he's an atheist. That has nothing to do with anything.

I assume you can prove right here, right now that unicorns do not exist? Should be super easy, because you're really smart.

onwebcam 01-18-2015 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam (Post 20360287)
Is that so?
Would that be because of his "highly successful SEO host" or because of his "highly successful pr company" ? hahaha

Unfortunately Baddog took down the pics of him using a tabletop grill on top of a burnt up gas grill in some ghetto ass backyard. Much like edge taking down the vid of his (moms) house in B.F.E. FL.

Mutt 01-18-2015 04:04 AM

You can prove a negative, a thousand years ago they said 'the sun isn't at the center of the universe, the earth is', then Copernicus came along and said that was wrong, that the sun IS the center of the universe, and other astronomers/physicists later proved once and for all that the sun is at the center of the universe.

And i know that today we know there is no true center of the universe, that the sun is the center of our solar system.

You can't prove a negative when the objects aren't viewable or detectable making it impossible to falsify their existence since as far as we know they don't exist.

sonofsam 01-18-2015 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 20361891)
Unfortunately Baddog took down the pics of him using a tabletop grill on top of a burnt up gas grill in some ghetto ass backyard. Much like edge taking down the vid of his (moms) house in B.F.E. FL.

I remember those pics. I don't really care what edgeprod says about his house worth. I'm guessing his house is worth less than x,xxx,xxx and that would not have been because he was a genius businessman (gotwebhost + pimpspromo LOL) but because he's nearly 300 years old and bought it when you could buy the title for a lane by trading in a couple beaver pelts.

More money than most adult webmasters make in a couple decades".... Way to set the bar high. Someone working at McDonald's probably makes more money than most adult webmasters make in a couple decades. Take a look at AaronM for example. The guy has been in this business for a couple decades and has pretty much zero to show for it. I would be extremely surprised if he's able pay rent on his trailer on time every month.

And lastly, to Bryan G... I don't care about people's incomes for the most part... But I have history with baddog and AaronM and I take great pleasure in seeing how big of failures they have continued to be.

sonofsam 01-18-2015 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20361699)
Of course, SOS will act like he doesn't get it.

I got the joke. The joke I'm having a hard time understanding though is gotwebhost and pimpspromo

Could you help me out?

edgeprod 01-18-2015 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 20361891)
Unfortunately Baddog took down the pics of him using a tabletop grill on top of a burnt up gas grill in some ghetto ass backyard. Much like edge taking down the vid of his (moms) house in B.F.E. FL.

I think you're confusing me with someone else. My parents live in Connecticut.

baddog's house is worth a bunch, regardless if you feel like his backyard is ghetto or not. Don't project your own poorness onto him.

edgeprod 01-18-2015 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam (Post 20361985)
I remember those pics. I don't really care what edgeprod says about his house worth. I'm guessing his house is worth less than x,xxx,xxx and that would not have been because he was a genius businessman (gotwebhost + pimpspromo LOL) but because he's nearly 300 years old and bought it when you could buy the title for a lane by trading in a couple beaver pelts.

More money than most adult webmasters make in a couple decades".... Way to set the bar high. Someone working at McDonald's probably makes more money than most adult webmasters make in a couple decades. Take a look at AaronM for example. The guy has been in this business for a couple decades and has pretty much zero to show for it. I would be extremely surprised if he's able pay rent on his trailer on time every month.

And lastly, to Bryan G... I don't care about people's incomes for the most part... But I have history with baddog and AaronM and I take great pleasure in seeing how big of failures they have continued to be.

We weren't talking about him being some genius businessman. You said he was broke, I said he was not. I don't think he's in the top tier of innovators, but he works hard, is honest to a fault, and is very well liked by people who matter. I'll take that over some guy who is successful because he fucked people over to get there.

Being broke and being baddog are two different things -- that was my only point.

Grapesoda 01-18-2015 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20361979)
You can prove a negative, a thousand years ago they said 'the sun isn't at the center of the universe, the earth is', then Copernicus came along and said that was wrong, that the sun IS the center of the universe, and other astronomers/physicists later proved once and for all that the sun is at the center of the universe.

And i know that today we know there is no true center of the universe, that the sun is the center of our solar system.

You can't prove a negative when the objects aren't viewable or detectable making it impossible to falsify their existence since as far as we know they don't exist.

that's what amazes me about those that deny a god.... just because bronze age tribes had the mechanics of god all wonky doesn't mean the system is invalid... when as little as 300 years ago it was though that 'cold' was a substance added to something to create cold water, snow etc...sure doesn't mean absolute zero doesn't exist :2 cents:

once you can leave behind childish superstition and negative bravado you can begin to understand the possibilities of ..... well.. .. open positive possibilities inherent in a system that can be utilized in a persons life to live a fuller existence ..:

and the other funny part is a few guys that build shopping carts for websites or whatever say there is no god because they can't understand the process, well I don't understand building a shopping cart for a web site however those sure the fuck exist don't they?

:2 cents:

TheSquealer 01-18-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20361979)
You can prove a negative, a thousand years ago they said 'the sun isn't at the center of the universe, the earth is', then Copernicus came along and said that was wrong, that the sun IS the center of the universe, and other astronomers/physicists later proved once and for all that the sun is at the center of the universe.

And i know that today we know there is no true center of the universe, that the sun is the center of our solar system.

You can't prove a negative when the objects aren't viewable or detectable making it impossible to falsify their existence since as far as we know they don't exist.

The point (and context) is that when challenged, he would argue that you can't prove ESP doesn't exist. You can't prove ghosts do not exist. You cannot prove telepathy doesn't exist. Just as, like it or not,... you cannot prove that God does not exist.

MaDalton 01-18-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20362120)
The point (and context) is that when challenged, he would argue that you can't prove ESP doesn't exist. You can't prove ghosts do not exist. You cannot prove telepathy doesn't exist. Just as, like it or not,... you cannot prove that God does not exist.

you can also not prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist

and i am sure we can all come up with a much longer list of things that you can not prove they don't exist

TheSquealer 01-18-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20362138)
you can also not prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist

and i am sure we can all come up with a much longer list of things that you can not prove they don't exist

First, you seem to be really missing the point as my comments were in the context of a discussion. Being a proud atheist, you seem to be miffed about someone suggesting there might in fact, be a God. That still has nothing to do with what can and cannot be proven to be true. Of course, you cannot prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster did not create the universe. Therefore, you cannot fully dismiss the notion and call it "fact". The idea that he did not create the universe is a matter of faith, not fact. While we all might agree that it is highly improbable, we cannot call it "fact".

onwebcam 01-18-2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam (Post 20361985)
I remember those pics. I don't really care what edgeprod says about his house worth. I'm guessing his house is worth less than x,xxx,xxx and that would not have been because he was a genius businessman (gotwebhost + pimpspromo LOL) but because he's nearly 300 years old and bought it when you could buy the title for a lane by trading in a couple beaver pelts.

More money than most adult webmasters make in a couple decades".... Way to set the bar high. Someone working at McDonald's probably makes more money than most adult webmasters make in a couple decades. Take a look at AaronM for example. The guy has been in this business for a couple decades and has pretty much zero to show for it. I would be extremely surprised if he's able pay rent on his trailer on time every month.

And lastly, to Bryan G... I don't care about people's incomes for the most part... But I have history with baddog and AaronM and I take great pleasure in seeing how big of failures they have continued to be.


You must of missed the months later thread with the tax records. House is not even an acre of land in the middle of nowhere. Paid $218k for it a few years back and he is co-owner (most likely mom).

MaDalton 01-18-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20362140)
First, you seem to be really missing the point as my comments were in the context of a discussion. Being a proud atheist, you seem to be miffed about someone suggesting there might in fact, be a God. That still has nothing to do with what can and cannot be proven to be true. Of course, you cannot prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster did not create the universe. Therefore, you cannot fully dismiss the notion and call it "fact". The idea that he did not create the universe is a matter of faith, not fact. While we all might agree that it is highly improbable, we cannot call it "fact".

i'm not "miffed" or "proud" at all - all I am saying is that it is easy to come up with things that you cannot prove and then claim it might be a fact.

it just becomes annoying when people try to impose their beliefs on others (and with that i also mean christian indoctrination that is equally spreading as is the islam in some parts of the world) or even start killing to spread their made up "facts".

as long as you don't harm anyone, you may believe in whatever you want.

I just refuse to turn back the age of enlightenment and return to the dark ages over something that people "believe" in without any proof.

dyna mo 01-18-2015 10:51 AM

very few people can proof 4 is not 5. nevertheless, most all of us believe 4 is not 5.

edgeprod 01-18-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 20362149)
You must of missed the months later thread with the tax records. House is not even an acre of land in the middle of nowhere. Paid $218k for it a few years back and he is co-owner (most likely mom).

You're even more delusional than people say if you think baddog co-owns his house with his mother. Time to get off of the PC, leave the basement, and get some air.

TheSquealer 01-18-2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20362156)
i'm not "miffed" or "proud" at all - all I am saying is that it is easy to come up with things that you cannot prove and then claim it might be a fact.

it just becomes annoying when people try to impose their beliefs on others (and with that i also mean christian indoctrination that is equally spreading as is the islam in some parts of the world) or even start killing to spread their made up "facts".

as long as you don't harm anyone, you may believe in whatever you want.

I just refuse to turn back the age of enlightenment and return to the dark ages over something that people "believe" in without any proof.

I don't entirely disagree with you. However, "proof" is also highly subjective and a more appropriate word is "evidence". A very religious person see's "proof" of what he wants to believe all around him, just as you see "proof" of what you want to believe all around you. My point is not about anyone being right or wrong, its that these are in fact, personal beliefs and are highly subjective and not objective. Just as your statement about "made up facts" is about your own faith in your beliefs.

onwebcam 01-18-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20362107)
I think you're confusing me with someone else. My parents live in Connecticut.

baddog's house is worth a bunch, regardless if you feel like his backyard is ghetto or not. Don't project your own poorness onto him.

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20362168)
You're even more delusional than people say if you think baddog co-owns his house with his mother. Time to get off of the PC, leave the basement, and get some air.

I'm talking about you, fool.

So you live in the guest quarters of their seasonal/retirement home?

As far as Baddog's house (goodgirls? who actually had/has? a successful business btw.). Living in California I'm sure like everyone else's house there it is highly overpriced and taxed to the hilt. There's many of these fools migrating over to my neighborhood and driving up the prices to ridiculous amounts and I can't wait until a few yeas from now when I'm buying up their new home foreclosure at .50 on the dollar or better.


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