dyna mo, stop hiding, man :)

[just a punk]

You have posted some abstract indexes of "freedom" into one of threads here. All those abstract ratings are cool, but they are abstract. Let's speak about personal freedoms. I've asked you if there is something you can do in the free USA what I can't do in the totalitarian Russia? Answer to my question please

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You have posted some abstract indexes of "freedom" in on of threads here. All those abstract numbers ratings are cool, but they are abstract. Let's speak about personal freedoms. I've asked you if there is something you can do in the free USA what I can't do in the totalitarian Russia? Answer to my question please

[arock10]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You have posted some abstract indexes of "freedom" in on of threads here. All those abstract numbers ratings are cool, but they are abstract. Let's speak about personal freedoms. I've asked you if there is something you can do in the free USA what I can't do in the totalitarian Russia? Answer to my question please

pussy riot?

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You have posted some abstract indexes of "freedom" into one of threads here. All those abstract ratings are cool, but they are abstract. Let's speak about personal freedoms. I've asked you if there is something you can do in the free USA what I can't do in the totalitarian Russia? Answer to my question please

there seems to be a lot of things you aren't suppposed to do in russia but when called on it you just say, no one listens to those laws or they aren't enforced or whatever, so whats the point?

[dyna mo]

me hiding?



OK, I'll give it a whirl,




Can you legally shoot porn in Russia?


are you free to choose a political party that is not communist in Russia?

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by arock10

pussy riot?

Yes, according to cyber, Russian police never assault their citizens

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by arock10

pussy riot?

Pussy riot what? Like dancing in Jefferson Memorial?

[arock10]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Pussy riot what? Like dancing in Jefferson Memorial?

haha, that is an okish counter, but really not the same thing....

[dyna mo]

it appears that you are not free to blog in Russia.

The law introduces a new term: ?Internet user called blogger.? Bloggers will be obliged to declare their family name and initials and e-mail address. Those authors whose personal website or page in social networks has 3,000 visitors or more a day must have themselves registered on a special list and abide by restrictions applicable to the mass media. In other words, registration requires the blogger should check the authenticity of published information and also mention age restrictions for users. Also, bloggers will have to follow mass media laws concerning electioneering, resistance to extremism and the publication of information about people?s private lives. An abuse of these requirements will be punishable with a fine of 10,000 to 30,000 roubles (roughly 300 dollars to 1,000 dollars) for individuals and 300,000 roubles (10,000 roubles) for legal entities. A second violation will be punishable with the website?s suspension for one month.

Russian law orders bloggers to register, restricts pornography and obscene language | The Verge

TASS Russia News Agency

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

there seems to be a lot of things you aren't suppposed to do in russia but when called on it you just say, no one listens to those laws or they aren't enforced or whatever, so whats the point?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Can you legally shoot porn in Russia?

Yes of course. There is no law that restricts shooting or keeping of porn in Russia for your own needs. According to the official law you can not distribute it, but this law does not work as well. It's like the law which doesn't allow Americans to shoot (kill) camels in Arizona or have oral sex in Florida. In fact, even the government-owned TV providers translate Private, Hustler TV and other porn channels w/o any problems.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

are you free to choose a political party that is not communist in Russia?

Whaaaaaaaat??? A communist party in Russia? Are you serious? The communist party in Russia is one of the smallest ones. The biggest parties are pro-government "Единая Россия" and "Справедливая Россия" (Google is your friend). There are also opposite ones like "ЛДПР", "Яблоко", "Парнас" and new Progress-party created by Navalny. Russia is not North Korea or USA, so we have much more than 1 or 2 parties here

Ready for a next try

[dyna mo]

is this accurate? that Russia banned viewing porn online?

Russian officials finally define pornography and ban it online

Russian officials finally define pornography and ban it online - English pravda.ru

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Yes, according to cyber, Russian police never assault their citizens

Are you really that dumb? I mean have you got a birth injury? Maybe your brain was damaged, ah? Where do you see Russian police on that video, clown? You're such an idiot... Those men are rednecks in a clown uniform from a nearest sex shop. They have nothing to do with Russian police. Слов даже нет сцуко...

This is how police works:



I can post more if you want. Just ask for it, son.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Whaaaaaaaat??? A communist party in Russia? Are you serious? The communist party in Russia is one of the smallest ones. The biggest parties are pro-government "Единая Россия"

putin's not a communist? really?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

is this accurate? that Russia banned viewing porn online?

Russian officials finally define pornography and ban it online

Russian officials finally define pornography and ban it online - English pravda.ru

Obviously you didn't read the post prior. Russia has laws that nobody follows. It's a lawless State. They can do whatever the fuck they want and the State just sits back and giggles.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

is this accurate? that Russia banned viewing porn online?

No, only CP is banned. Any other kinds of porn (even those forbidden in the States) are ok. The distribution of CP (not viewing or keeping of it) is the only case when anti-porn law is being enforced.

Originally Posted by Sly

Obviously you didn't read the post prior. Russia has laws that nobody follows. It's a lawless State. They can do whatever the fuck they want and the State just sits back and giggles.

Not exactly. When people really cross the line, the law is being enforced (see above).

[MrBottomTooth]

You can't buy a handgun. Or even a semi-auto with more than a 10 round magazine. And you can't own more than 10 guns unless you register as a collector. And you have to own a shotgun for 5 years before they let you buy a rifle. WTF?

'merica, fuck ya.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

You can't buy a handgun. Or even a semi-auto with more than a 10 round magazine. And you can't own more than 10 guns unless you register as a collector. And you have to own a shotgun for 5 years before they let you buy a rifle. WTF?

In fact I can. I just need to get a license for it. However it's not a good example of freedom, because it also differs form state to state in the USA.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by arock10

haha, that is an okish counter, but really not the same thing....

Sheesh, police force is becoming really excessive in the US but isn't this a recent thing?

When I see this, I just keep thinking the American Government is preparing for bad times and therefore best strategy is to militarize the police because of things like Ferguson and what happened in New Orleans.

We're approaching something big not just in America but that could be epicenter.

Some of you will argue that you wouldn't like to live in India or Africa or even China or Russia, but they are much more free places than America (but only in SOME respects). And if you have more freedom you might also have less stability because of it. Then again, Alaska legalized marijuana today....

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

In fact I can. I just need to get a license for it. However it's not a good example of freedom, because it also differs form state to state in the USA.

So any Russian person can just get a license which allows them to go buy a handgun or a semi auto with a larger than 10 round clip?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You have posted some abstract indexes of "freedom" into one of threads here. All those abstract ratings are cool, but they are abstract. Let's speak about personal freedoms. I've asked you if there is something you can do in the free USA what I can't do in the totalitarian Russia? Answer to my question please

rent a motel room in the town you live in?

Russians will be unable to use their iPhones starting January 1

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

putin's not a communist? really?

You will be laughing but he is not He was a communist when it was profitably for his career. He was an atheist too. Now he is a capitalist and Orthodox christian (my ass). All communists hate him and they are in opposition to his regime. Man, do you live in a cave? WTF is wrong with you?

[arock10]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

Sheesh, police force is becoming really excessive in the US but isn't this a recent thing?

When I see this, I just keep thinking the American Government is preparing for bad times and therefore best strategy is to militarize the police because of things like Ferguson and what happened in New Orleans.

We're approaching something big not just in America but that could be epicenter.

Some of you will argue that you wouldn't like to live in India or Africa or even China or Russia, but they are much more free places than America (but only in SOME respects). And if you have more freedom you might also have less stability because of it. Then again, Alaska legalized marijuana today....

somalia is mad free!

[SEXTANT]

Hm
Try for politic conversation or drama thread, keep posting to see what will happened

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

rent a motel room in the town you live in?

Russians will be unable to use their iPhones starting January 1

January 1 of what year, excuse me? And WHY???

What's the problem with motel rooms in Russia? I didn't get it, sorry. Could you please explain?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by arock10

haha, that is an okish counter, but really not the same thing....

Course not. It's different (church vs museum). Here is the Pussy Riot action on the Red Square (right is a direct sight of Putin's residence). Nobody was arrested for that:



However it have nothing to do with our personal freedoms. Both you and me just won't do something like that.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

So any Russian person can just get a license which allows them to go buy a handgun or a semi auto with a larger than 10 round clip?

For example, you can officially buy this:



Also you can get a license for a hand gun too, but it will take a special procedure.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You will be laughing but he is not He was a communist when it was profitably for his career. He was an atheist too. Now he is a capitalist and Orthodox christian (my ass). All communists hate him and they are in opposition to his regime. Man, do you live in a cave? WTF is wrong with you?

well, i am posting from my mancave this morning but you're the one claiming putin's not a communist.

i guess you also will claim ignorance about putin's plans and goals to reestablish the soviet union

[dyna mo]

is this accurate?


Russia bans police, emergency and military employees from traveling abroad | Barentsobserver

more than four million employees tied to the military and security services were banned from traveling outside of Russia under rules issued during 2014.

In June Putin signed a law forcing citizens to disclose any dual citizenship.

Russian law on dual citizenship comes into force | Barentsobserver

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it appears that you are not free to blog in Russia.

Ok, not tell me what will happen to you if you won't register your blog as a mass media? Will you bee sent to Gulag? May be you will be fined for that? This is one of those stupid laws like "don't give head in Florida" which simple can't work.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Ok, not tell me what will happen to you if you won't register your blog as a mass media? Will you bee sent to Gulag? May be you will be fined for that? This is one of those stupid laws like "don't give head in Florida" which simple can't work.

Don't give head in Florida is an old law that at one time would have been enforced. Registering your blog is a new law, fresh, just made, and you are saying it doesn't get enforced. Why does Russia create new, silly laws, with no intention of enforcing them?

You keep saying that everything these guys are finding about Russia is made up and not true. Based on your own logic, it seems entirely plausible that everything you are saying is straight up BS as well.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Ok, not tell me what will happen to you if you won't register your blog as a mass media? Will you bee sent to Gulag? May be you will be fined for that? This is one of those stupid laws like "don't give head in Florida" which simple can't work.

"In March 2014, the prosecutor general instructed the state telecommunications agency Roskomnadzor to block four popular opposition-oriented websites: Ezhednevny Zhurnal, Grani.ru, Kasparov.ru, and Navalny’s blog. Dozens of other sites were blocked during the year for vaguely defined offenses such as carrying “extremist content.”"

Navalny would disagree with your stance in this thread.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

is this accurate?

Russia bans police, emergency and military employees from traveling abroad | Barentsobserver

Yes, that's correct. The police is really restricted to travel the world. If you don't like it, get another job and be free. I really don't feel for cops. I believe they need much more restrictions. Maybe someday they realize the Putin (who they protect) constantly assrapes them, and they will stop supporting his regime.

But once again... It's all about YOU and ME. I'm not a cop or an FSB officer.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

"Navalny would disagree with your stance in this thread.

Yes they are trying to block them, but it doesn't work. First of all, there is no punishment for running a blog. They can only block the IP. This is very bad and very stupid thing, because every kid knows how to open it (some Russian ISP's even put detailed instructions how to bypass the site block). I do agree it's against of freedom of speech, but still. We are talking about what YOU can do and I'M can't. Navalny is #1 Putin's enemy and they have a personal war (BTW, his site is available from Russia: HostTracker - Http result for http://navalny.com). I'm not a #1 enemy of Putin like you are not #1 enemy of Obama, right? You even not a native American living in a reservation. So let's get back to OUR reality. What exactly you can do but I can't? Where is your freedom? How can I feel the difference?

Originally Posted by Sly

Don't give head in Florida is an old law that at one time would have been enforced. Registering your blog is a new law, fresh, just made, and you are saying it doesn't get enforced. Why does Russia create new, silly laws, with no intention of enforcing them?

Because we have a bunch of idiots in power.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Ok, not tell me what will happen to you if you won't register your blog as a mass media? Will you bee sent to Gulag? May be you will be fined for that? This is one of those stupid laws like "don't give head in Florida" which simple can't work.

its there to enforce it on what they want when they want which is a pretty bad thing.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yes, that's correct. The police is really restricted to travel the world. If you don't like it, get another job and be free. I really don't feel for cops. I believe they need much more restrictions. Maybe someday they realize the Putin (who they protect) constantly assrapes them, and they will stop supporting his regime.

But once again... It's all about YOU and ME. I'm not a cop or an FSB officer.

.

you don't feel for firefighters and ambulance drivers either?


"Russia?s Ministry of Civil Defense, Emergencies and Elimination of Consequences of Natural Disasters has issued travel restrictions to all employees like the country?s firefighters, ambulance drivers,...."

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you don't feel for firefighters and ambulance drivers either?

I think it's a false information. I've never seen it here and I've never seen any complaints from them. Police and FSB - yes. FSB officers have always been restricted from traveling to other countries. Now police was added and it's their problem (I didn't ask them to vote for Putin). Hope the lesson will be learned.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its there to enforce it on what they want when they want which is a pretty bad thing.

Yes, a pretty bad thing "by design", But in fact it just didn't work. I don't really need any VPN/TOR/Proxy/Special browser plugins or anything else to bypass it. I just have to enable "Turbo Mode" in Opera browser and all their blocks will disappear. So once again: it's very bad (I'm agree with you here) law, but it can't be enforced. Technically.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you don't feel for firefighters and ambulance drivers either?


"Russia?s Ministry of Civil Defense, Emergencies and Elimination of Consequences of Natural Disasters has issued travel restrictions to all employees like the country?s firefighters, ambulance drivers,...."

I'm sure he feels they must be restricted too

He's gonna overtake brassmonkey as the resident gfy clown

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

What exactly you can do but I can't? Where is your freedom? How can I feel the difference?

well,so far it appears that I can

1. have an anti-putin blog
2. travel outside my country regardless of my legal profession.
3. distribute porn
4. buy a gun with >10 round capacity


and you cannot.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I'm sure he feels they must be restricted too

He's gonna overtake brassmonkey as the resident gfy clown

that clown smilie kicks ass!

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

He's gonna overtake brassmonkey as the resident gfy clown

Really? Right now you are the only clown in this thread who posted a video of some rednecks in sexshop uniform and called them Russian police. You're such a stupid retard

[baddog]

First off; thanks for the morning laugh.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Pussy riot what? Like dancing in Jefferson Memorial?

Not even close

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yes of course. There is no law that restricts shooting or keeping of porn in Russia for your own needs.

Obviously exactly the same as here.

Originally Posted by Sly

Obviously you didn't read the post prior. Russia has laws that nobody follows. It's a lawless State. They can do whatever the fuck they want and the State just sits back and giggles.

The voice of reason, again.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

well,so far it appears that I can

1. have an anti-putin blog
2. travel outside my country regardless of my legal profession.
3. distribute porn
4. buy a gun with >10 round capacity

and you cannot.

Can not do what? All 4 points listed above are ok with me, so I didn't get it. Please tell me something about Russian communist party

Originally Posted by baddog

First off; thanks for the morning laugh.

The cops-ass-kissing "biker" just visited my thread. Welcome

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Can not do what? All 4 points listed above are ok with me, so I didn't get it. Please tell me something about Russian communist party



The cops-ass-kissing "biker" visited my just thread. Welcome

OK, feel free to launch a serious anti-putin blog and host it from there and list it.

[TheSquealer]

Russia is so awesome, the population has been declining for decades.

[dyna mo]

is this accurate, Russian freedom of religion and speech is limited?

Russia: Government against Rights Groups | Human Rights Watch

[Paz]

5) You're not free to run an NGO in Putin's Russia, 6) running an opposition party with teeth can get you jailed, 7) taking part in a gay rally can get you beaten up and jailed.

I don't have any beef against Russians but don't tell us everything's peachy with Putin and his cronies in charge.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Really? Right now you are the only clown in this thread who posted a video of some rednecks in sexshop uniform and called them Russian police. You're such a stupid retard

Hey I was copying that from the Telegraph.

"Pussy Riot attacked with whips by police at Sochi"



So which is it - 'rednecks in sexshop uniform' or government security forces?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

OK, feel free to launch a serious anti-putin blog and host it from there and list it.

A very stupid mistake as usually (the same as you thought about communist party, which is opposite here). Ah, wait! Open the official communist party site - it have a blog and it's soooooooo Anti-Putin. Oops?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Russia is so awesome, the population has been declining for decades.

Yeah + 318 thousands in 2013 (I agree, we are not Chinese and we know what condom is )

Man, how does it relate to the freedom here?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Paz

5) You're not free to run an NGO in Putin's Russia, 6) running an opposition party with teeth can get you jailed, 7) taking part in a gay rally can get you beaten up and jailed.

I don't have any beef against Russians but don't tell us everything's peachy with Putin and his cronies in charge.

wow, great point, I had completely overlooked the gay rights issues.

And I'm with you on liking Russia and Russians. Although I've not yet traveled there and have only worked with/hung out a bit with a handful of Russians. Had plans to travel there this year but due to all the international chaos, that trip is on hold.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Paz

5) You're not free to run an NGO in Putin's Russia,

Ok, I can't. Does it somehow relate to my freedoms?

Originally Posted by Paz

6) running an opposition party with teeth can get you jailed

In fact I can. The communist party is an example.

Originally Posted by Paz

taking part in a gay rally can get you beaten up and jailed.

Like in other European countries. Should I post the French gay beating example?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

A very stupid mistake as usually (the same as you thought about communist party, which is opposite here). Ah, wait! Open the official communist party site - it have a blog and it's soooooooo Anti-Putin. Oops?

Komrade, I've never claimed to be smart about Russia, I did claim to believe the studieS that America in totality, is overall, in general, for most people, more free than Russia. So claiming I've made a stupid mistake is not accurate. You started this thread and challenged me re: specifics on comparing individual freedoms between us specifically, which has been fun exercise so far, I am learning a lot!

Remember, I've posted things asking if they are accurate, or reality, etc, not as facts, so clearly i've never claimed being smart about Russia.

so gofuckyourself.