now that the flag is down.....

[Grapesoda]

If weâ??re going to ban Confederate flags, we sure as heck better ban THIS. - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

As Breitbart reported, in 2013 the Obama administration released 36,007 criminal immigrants who had nearly 88,000 convictions. Those convictions included 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions, and 1,075 aggravated assault convictions.

Now get this, in January, the Department of Homeland Security revealed in a 38-page document to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) showing that of those criminals released in 2013, 1,000 had gone on to commit additional crimes including terroristic threats, lewd acts with a minor, various types of assault, DUI, robbery, hit-and-run, gang activity, rape, and child cruelty.

Allahu Akbar: What the lowering of the Confederate flag is REALLY about - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

You remember Elibiary, right? He was appointed by President Obama and retained a position with the Department of Homeland Security Council until he was sent packing after some unfortunate turns of events regarding things like the Muslim Brotherhood, tweeting that the return of Sharia law is inevitable, and getting caught borrowing classified materials and downloading them to his own computer. Even though he is gone from DHS, he?s still keeping a grip on America!








this an interesting point of view....

Megyn Kelly | The Confederate Flag Needs To Be Raised, Not Lowered

In 1864, Confederate General Patrick Cleburne warned his fellow southerners of the historical consequences should the South lose their war for independence. He was truly a prophet. He said if the South lost, ?It means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy. That our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by all of the influences of History and Education to regard our gallant debt as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.? No truer words were ever spoken.

History revisionists flooded America?s public schools with Northern propaganda about the people who attempted to secede from the United States, characterizing them as racists, extremists, radicals, hatemongers, traitors, etc. You know, the same way that people in our federal government and news media attempt to characterize Christians, patriots, war veterans, constitutionalists, et al. today.

[arock10]

Sure buddy

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

Sure buddy

I see from your reply that you carefully read the post and made a considered, intelligent response

[MaDalton]

that's where I learned about the civil war from

[CaptainHowdy]

[dyna mo]

i carefully read the OP and the linked articles.

those people are not helping, they are convoluting the issue(s), such as claiming the symbolism of the flag is related to black on black crime. reality doesn't work that way, we all know there are no panaceas. and resolving one issue amongst many is a step in the right direction, not the wrong direction because it didn't solve every issue.

and they are misrepresenting history, such as claiming the SOuth had a right to secede on account of the USA "seceding" Britain. the fact is megyn kelly is no historian, she proofs that by her getting it all wrong in her article, first and foremost by completely leaving out the States Declaration of Causes. But even worse, she only focuses on a moment in the history of that flag, waxing past the flag's use as a symbol of hate beginning in the 1950s.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i carefully read the OP and the linked articles.

those people are not helping, they are convoluting the issue(s), such as claiming the symbolism of the flag is related to black on black crime. reality doesn't work that way, we all know there are no panaceas. and resolving one issue amongst many is a step in the right direction, not the wrong direction because it didn't solve every issue.

His point was that everything is a deflection from the actual problems... problems which are dire, are long standing and are never talked about or addressed without the person bringing it up being called racist. The African American community in inner cities is a complete mess and the community in general is a complete mess... but a high on drugs, career felon like Freddy Gray who beat the shit out of himself in a van (according to the witness) or Michael Brown who tried to kill a cop get twisted around to create a strawman argument which is based on fantasy and ignores the real problems.

Personally, i'm tired of hearing the word "racist". Any black person that blames their problems on me or racism can go fuck themselves. There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from NOT picking up a gun and shooting someone, from NOT stealing, from NOT going to prison multiple times, from NOT running out on a child/pregnant girl, from NOT breaking the law and from NOT working hard, making good choices and busting your ass for what you want.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

His point was that everything is a deflection from the actual problems... problems which are dire, are long standing and are never talked about or addressed without the person bringing it up being called racist. The African American community in inner cities is a complete mess and the community in general is a complete mess... but a high on drugs, career felon like Freddy Gray who beat the shit out of himself in a van (according to the witness) or Michael Brown who tried to kill a cop get twisted around to create a strawman argument which is based on fantasy and ignores the real problems.

Personally, i'm tired of hearing the word "racist". Any black person that blames their problems on me or racism can go fuck themselves. There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from NOT picking up a gun and shooting someone, from NOT stealing, from NOT going to prison multiple times, from NOT running out on a child/pregnant girl, from NOT breaking the law and from NOT working hard, making good choices and busting your ass for what you want.

i got his point. that's my point. him and others like him simply convolute issues. one thing has nothing to do with the other and the argument of trying to emphasis one issue by de-emphasising resolving another issue is simply wrong. the fact is that the symbolism behind the flag is an entirely different matter from black on black problems.

[dyna mo]

for me, Allen West could have used the flag issue as a stepping stone in the right direction segueing into that being a harbinger to blacks (and others) addressing black on black crime.
not as a distraction from another issue.

I'm not seeing how pointing his finger at the flag issue in a *so what, black on black crime*, would be a motivator. you get more bees with honey.

[Just Alex]

I expect crime rates to go down by at least 50%. Any time soon.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I'm not seeing how pointing his finger at the flag issue in a *so what, black on black crime*, would be a motivator.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i got his point. that's my point. him and others like him simply convolute issues. one thing has nothing to do with the other and the argument of trying to emphasis one issue by de-emphasising resolving another issue is simply wrong. the fact is that the symbolism behind the flag is an entirely different matter from black on black problems.

the issue is black lack of accountability for their behaviors... it's not about some flag or cop shooting.. these guys are pointing out the absurdity of black entitlements and liberal apologies for black behaviors ...

[dyna mo]

there are 2 issues he's mixing up. you of all people shouldn't be referring to me of all people as blind.

i'm happy to keep it respectful as i've more than done so far in this thread. or not.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

I expect crime rates to go down by at least 50%. Any time soon.

They did.

[epitome]

This is the same guy who had a blog post on his site about how now that we have gay marriage, the gays will next be lobbying to be able to marry children.

He is crazy and lost his seat in Congress. It requires a special blend of idiocy to lose your Congressional seat.

[kane]

The flag is a symbol of racism, slavery and oppression to a certain segment of the population. It has no place flying over government buildings.

That said, if any individual wants to fly, wear or otherwise brandish the Confederate flag they should be allowed to.

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that's where I learned about the civil war from

I learned about it from this:






Not really. But I played the shit out of that game when I was a kid.

[CDSmith]

Taking the flag down was the right thing to do. It's a step only though, with many more still to come. Anyone saying "problem solved" over this one gesture has bigger problems, one being how to extract their head from their ass, or the very least the sand.

Difficult to tell if Megyn Kelly is serious or just being an Ann Colteresque knoxious attention whore. Either way her argument is so full of holes it doesn't hold air much less water.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by epitome

He is crazy and lost his seat in Congress. It requires a special blend of idiocy to lose your Congressional seat.

no shit....

[L-Pink]

It's all a feel good bullshit issue. If anyone really gave a shit hard-core actual problems would be addressed instead.

Problems like 156 murders in the city of Baltimore so far this year.

​Homicide spike, demoralized force poses tough challenge for new Baltimore police chief — RT USA


Chicago ... Homicides to date 246, Total people shot 1412

2015 Stats | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!


Detroit ... violent crime rate of 2,072 per 100,000 and homicides up 25% from last year.

Crime in America 2015: Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities Over 200,000 - Law Street (TM)


I'm positive these wonderful northern cities had no Confederate flags flying, so what's the problem? Where is the same news coverage and outrage? That's right, being politically correct is far more important than a real issue. Pathetic.


Some retard who owns an outdated flag gets attention while the real problems increase daily.


.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It's all a feel good bullshit issue. If anyone really gave a shit hard-core actual problems would be addressed instead.

Problems like 156 murders in the city of Baltimore so far this year.

?Homicide spike, demoralized force poses tough challenge for new Baltimore police chief ? RT USA


Chicago ... Homicides to date 246, Total people shot 1412

2015 Stats | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!


Detroit ... violent crime rate of 2,072 per 100,000 and homicides up 25% from last year.

Crime in America 2015: Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities Over 200,000 - Law Street (TM)


I'm positive these wonderful northern cities had no Confederate flags flying, so what's the problem? Where is the same news coverage and outrage? That's right, being politically correct is far more important than a real issue. Pathetic.


Some retard who owns an outdated flag gets attention while the real problems increase daily.


.

Woa woa! Slow down man! They just got done with the flag stuff. Im sure the white man is at fault for all the killings in the northern cities also. Give them a chance to catchup and create a new story about the white devils and how their racism is ruining those cities also

(Except chicago. Chicago is a peaceful city of MJ and is a true inspiration for the under privledged youth that they too can one day be president)

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It's all a feel good bullshit issue. If anyone really gave a shit hard-core actual problems would be addressed instead.

Problems like 156 murders in the city of Baltimore so far this year.

?Homicide spike, demoralized force poses tough challenge for new Baltimore police chief ? RT USA


Chicago ... Homicides to date 246, Total people shot 1412

2015 Stats | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!


Detroit ... violent crime rate of 2,072 per 100,000 and homicides up 25% from last year.

Crime in America 2015: Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities Over 200,000 - Law Street (TM)


I'm positive these wonderful northern cities had no Confederate flags flying, so what's the problem? Where is the same news coverage and outrage? That's right, being politically correct is far more important than a real issue. Pathetic.


Some retard who owns an outdated flag gets attention while the real problems increase daily.


.

the issue for me is there are some really sweet people being tarnished by the ACTIONS
of the loud mouth thugs and I do include Obama and Sharpton in the group of loud mouth thugs... very small minded, petty men...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Some retard who owns an outdated flag gets attention while the real problems increase daily.


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that spree shooter was no vexillologist. he embraced that flag due to his online search for black on white crime he ended up at ccc and the flag was introduced to him there as a symbol for the hate he has. he didn't come to his own conclusion that that particular flag would be a symbol for his hate and violence. none of that has anything to do with black on black crime. you don't need to look deep into the internet to see that hate and bigotry are their own problems, mutually exclusive from black on black crime.