dyna mo

and that's why i didn't waste my time, and this is a serious topic, i'm not going to divert from the op.

Struggle4Bucks

i agree.... me neither...

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How many times can the conservatards blame liberals in a single topic, while forgetting it's mainly conservatards who are always in favor of stirring up the bees nests with bombs..

You fucking get the problems you make..

Tom.K

in 1492 columbo "invented" america... newton had his moment some 200 years after...

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RazorSharpe

I watch reruns of this Columbo dudes show on the TV every so often.

P.S.: LOL at mineistaken being his usual "I'm not racist but I really am" self

P.P.S.: LOL at inventing gravity

P.P.P.S: LOL at rochard .. Just plain lol

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yeah... imagine... if Newton had not invented gravity we would all still be floating around...

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RazorSharpe

Stop stealing my jokes you "libtard" ....

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I thought about posting that pic but then thought this thread is too serious for jokes but then you posted and ...

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oppoten

He did:

and yes, America was an invention...

RazorSharpe

The subject matter is serious but when has it ever been possible to discuss world issues with the likes of mineistaken thinking his view is the only one that counts. It doesn't matter the subject; he's always right and anyone who disagrees is a tard of some description.

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Sly

This thread is like the RNC just came to town.

Angry white men everywhere!

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RazorSharpe

I stand corrected! His name really is Columbo. Learn something new everyday... thanks.

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And in spanish it's Colon - i shit you not

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dyna mo

i grew up on Columbo, great and classic show.

oppoten

dammit, you found my source

dyna mo

according to translation software, the translation is columbo, i shit you not.



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aka123

Those also ended and without significant re-population to distant countries, excluding some amount to USA that was populated by foreign folks to start with. And how merrily it ended up for the indians. Europeans and indians don't yet mix that well, neither the folks from Africa, Europe or Asia. It is divided country with much internal conflicts. Europe should learn from that.

The Middle-East has also been divided and for thousands of years; they have had that tribe shit for long time. Shitloads of smallish tribes doing war against each others time to time.

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klinton

maybe against stupidity of our politicians and government of US ?

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dyna mo

So fucking what. Again, europeans have a long and rich history of warring. Look it up. I'm not making that up.

rogueteens

i fail to see your point. they were in Turkey ... they were safe. so what if the conditions are unsatisfactory. they were safe. the father wanted more, he got greedy and paid for it with the lives of his family. That is not our fault.
The UK is at the point where one in ten are not British, British people in London are an ethnic minority are they are in at least a dozen other towns/cities .. and this has happened in the space of less than one generation.
This is no longer about being compassionate but about the cultural genocide that is happening in the UK at the moment.

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Paul Markham

Agreed, these countries have to have an absolute bastard in control to stop other absolute bastards tying to take power. We should leave them alone until they threaten us.

Assuming the other countries want them.

That wealth will now have to be shared with all those who choose to come, making you and I poorer. Until the right wing gets voted in.

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1/8 i would say ;-)

aka123

Sure, Europe has done shitloads of war, I am not denying that. But I don't see how that changes the current situation. Other than the how that despite of the continuous wars the Europeans have mostly stayed in Europe, excluding the big migration to American continent. Though moving outside Europe would have meant quite probable slavery, especially in Muslim countries those did enslave Europeans to start with.

But anyways; the end conclusion is that there have been wars all around the globe and there will be wars all around the globe. The answer for that is not that people in war countries re-establishes themselves to elsewhere. The answer is that they either war the war or end the war peacefully.

Think about if there will be war in China for example or in India? They both have population over billion. Who in the fuck is going to give them shelter elsewhere? The capacity of our ecosystem is not enough for that. It will fucking collapse. As will the society too.

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The situation in the Middle East is awful. Whoever is to blame is something we can settle later. It's a powder keg that needs little to set it off, before the US invasion, there was 9/11, Iraq invading Kuwait, Iran/Iraq war, the rest have never been ruled successfully by a lenient peace loving Government. Shit happens there as often as I shit.

The situation is what it is, millions in fear of their lives or coming here to look for work. Work we haven't got, unless it holds down living standards.

We can't ignore real refugees, but we can't let them wander across Europe or the Middle East aimlessly. The solution is obvious, sadly it raises bad memories.

Huge camps, built with containers, prefabricated blocks, sheds, etc. One room per 2-3 people, until demand is lower than supply, free food and medical care. Here's the hard part, they have to be fenced in. The migrants don't want to be in most of Europe, they want to be in places they choose, where they can work, and are given more.

The people in those countries are already complaining about migration, any Government that opens the doors, risks losing elections. Germany and France goes to the polls in 2017, EU 2019, UK 2020, politicians had better solve the problem fast, if they want to keep their jobs.

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I think these people shouldn't be let in, even more so the economic migrants. They are now freely roaming around europe, with no one checking them at all, with absolutely no documents. They have more rights then i do - I can't drive legally into another country without my ID. These people could be ISIS members, they could be carrying all sorts of african diseases, etc. We really, really do not need this shit - and i'm very happy that Poland is only accepting so few of them.

I've seen videos of a migrant throwing his wife and small child on the ground with police all around them then pretending that police are beating him or did it. It was on BBC, except they didn't show the part of him throwing himself on the ground along with his wife.

I've seen videos of black guys from Ghana (which is not at war, nor especially poor) complaining about the conditions of the refugee camp. They were evidently expecting a free castle each and instead got tents. Seriously, all these guys living there can't fucking fix a slightly leaking tent? They are going to be great additions to the german "work force"...

The media spins it like it's all starving women and children, when in fact in every single video I have seen it's like 90% young men. How many children do you see here?


The fact they all want to go to germany or sweden and do not accept hungary, austria, etc suggests that they are really after the social and not escaping war. I'm sure SOME are, but come on...

Schengen zone should be completely shut down until this blows over.

Look at all these children here too...

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kurds in turkey yea

nico-t

do NOT post reality, you will be labeled a racist

Joshua G

no knucklehead. the answer is integration, & putting sweethart memories of a once pure local population to rest. the people who are leaving syria et al are the smart ones. they are facing hostile situation, but are braving it for survival. those are the types of people i want coming to my country. i would take a syrian refugee with big tits over a lot of our local lollygagging youths any day of the week.

sending them back, camps, trains, never worked, never will. most will either go back when syria get it together, or they will become european muslims, just like the USA is full of latinos & its not going to be reversed no matter how much a spoiled billionaire wants it otherwise.

nico-t

because bringing in muslim immigrants by the masses have turned out so great in every european country. They are really an asset to western society.

Joshua G

so what...80% of local populations in USA are just as useless. if your gonna have some standard like, only the smart or skilled can stay, well about your local zoo animals? you gonna send them packing?

at least in USA, the best & brightest ending up being immigrants from europe. The smart euros fled europe & they made the USA great instead. the native americans never invented shit, got their asses beat. Thats life.

in those hordes of middle eastern men, most will be just as useless as people you grew up with, & a couple of them will accomplish things far in excess of you. thats life.

i think...

j3rkules

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yes, that's the one



I see many people here, and on other places, asking why those refugees don't stay in Turkey as they are safe there. Well, would anybody normal wanted to stay in some shitty camp knowing he/she will probably be there for rest of the life with possibility to die soon from some disease or killed by someone? Or try to get normal life somewhere else?

https://www.google.cz/search?q=syria...kDGgodYYE MQw

And of course everyone wants to go to Germany or Sweden. Who, the fuck, would like to stay in Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria or ask asylum in Croatia or Poland? Knowing that they will get same or even worse treatment as in Turkey and no possibility to make some life anytime in the future. Eventually offered ham sandwich with beer... Isn't that in human nature that man will look for better life and opportunity? Their country is dead, their property destroyed, no life there anymore. And people from other countries, from Africa, between choosing to die from starvation or killed by some militia, and trying to get some normal life in some other place, isn't choice obvious? Especially for some young man who have 20 yrs? How much you have to be desperate to take a chance in crappy boat to get from African sun to shitty Swedish weather? Very much, but you will maybe get opportunity to send your mother few hundred bucks in year if you are lucky.

Maybe I don't understand some things and can't say much, but letting those people die on sea or in trucks, can only tell me that this "civilization" obviously deserve to finish like Rome finished once. It's not western way of life, it's not religion, it's just bastardship.

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rogueteens

LOL, shows what you know is happening in our "enriched" Europe. People have been attacked and seriously harmed for drinking beer in parts of London that are now "Muslim", my own dad ended up in a stand-off with an immigrant scum because my dad dared to eat a ham sandwich outside a cafe in east London. He worked in east London before he retired and he could tell you some real horror stories about so-called integrated immigrants. Those people do not want to be western and will not be happy until Britain is no better than the countries they apparently are so desperate to run from. If it's this bad now, what will it be like in 10-20 years time when their numbers reach the point where they outnumber the indigenous population ... after all that has worked out so well for every other indigenous people that have been outnumbered by immigrants hasn't it.

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aka123

Roman empire was finished by Barbarian invasions or more neutrally Migration period. Suits well.

I don't know what you mean by "letting people die"? Should they be offered free boat/ car ride or something? How far our responsibility goes?

Europe has had wars too; much of the Europe was more or less in ruins after WWII and it was rebuilt. They can do the same in Syria too instead of choosing the easiest option. War the war and rebuild the country.

It by the way would have been quite lame WWII if the soldiers and civilians would have just moved far enough elsewhere. If they can't even do war properly, then come on.. This situation is solvable by war and more exactly by either side winning the war; hopefully the better side. They don't seem that eager to contribute for their society, why they would contribute for ours?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

Christopher Columbus (/kəˈlʌmbəs/; Italian: Cristoforo Colombo; Spanish: Cristóbal Colón; Portuguese: Cristóvão Colombo;

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Just a little reminder about history.

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i'll give you this: the UK is a good example how political correctness is going the wrong way, when a supermarket in CZ announced selling halal food the shitstorm was so huge that they bowed down and removed it again

and once again - i wrote already that i neither welcome people that only ask for asylum for economical reasons (if they are well educated there are other ways to come here) and i would also prefer if the Syria situation was dealt with locally

but i am trying to understand the motivation of those people that try to escape for a better life and make their way despite of the danger - obviously the desperation is huge.

and i swear i will never be that asshole that celebrates dead children like many others do now

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RazorSharpe

That's a bit harsh tarring all Muslims with the same brush. It's almost like IF Scottish folk said all the English were cunts, innit?

Seriously though, I'm sorry your dad came up against some hardline Muslims but the fact of the matter is, not all Muslims are fuckheads, just like not all Caucasians are war mongering fuckwits.

I, for example, would have given your dad a hard time for not sharing his ham sandwich. And if he had a bacon butty, I'm afraid he'd be lucky to get away with all his fingertips intact.

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MetaMan

Honestly you just aren't very intelligent. I'm glad others in this thread saw it also.

MaDalton

i know, i know

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rogueteens

Of cause they are not but there are a large percentage that are (from memory, didn't something like 70% of Muslims in the UK put Islamic law above British law in the last poll?), this is why we have had things like the ISIS flag flying above housing estates in south London, 1000+ trying to travel to the Islamic State, Muslims trying to enforce sharia law on British streets on non-Muslims, ect ...
The sad fact is that our policy at the moment is to let 100 people in in the hope that just one is a "good guy" rather than letting 100 in and hoping that 99 are "good guys". Once the bad guys are in political correctness stops the bad guys from being removed, we are stuck with them. It's only the British people that suffer from this state of affairs and eventually things will break in a very explosive way.

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Seems like someone legitimately fearing their life, running away from war with thier family would be more then happy to get asylum in any country that is safe. The reason they don't want to asylum in Eastern European countries like CZ or Poland is the shit social we have here. Our unemployment benefit is like 600PLN (150euro) a month. Some undocumented "refugee" will get 5-6x that in Germany - and don't say that they are after the opportunities that Germany offers. There are wealthy and middle-class individuals that made something of themselves all over Europe, including in the poorer countries.

Sure, I feel bad for displaced families but it's naive to think that none of these people who are in no way being checked mean the people of europe any harm. There could easily be trained ISIS members or radicalized people ready to do all sorts of terrorist attacks here. They could have fake Syrian passports, or they could have REAL ones with fake identities because ISIS could easily have taken over some places where they are actually printed. Alot of these poorer eastern european countries, poland included, do not have the funding or infrastructure to watch these people, and i REALLY don't want to worry i'm going to die every time I leave the house, I don't want to worry my wife will get raped coming home from work in the evening (almost 100% of rapes in sweden nowadays are committed by non-european immigrants), I don't want anything to happen to my kids at school -and this is exactly how terrorism works.

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k0nr4d

To anyone that thinks most of these people are war refugees, the minister of foreign affairs for Hungary announced that of the 150611 registered migrants that crossed the border into Hungary *THIS YEAR ALONE*, 50413 were Syrian nationals. That's only 1/3rd.

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I respect and agree with your opinion. West has plundered and ruined the homes of these people. Refuge is the least they can give.

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Some hungarian people are human beings and Do Help these struggling refugees, but the general reaction to the situation is So Fucking DISTURBING, I feel shame because of I am a hungarian... The government and THE CHURCH here is acting evil + retarded

What is happening here is Major Crap in the eyes of a hippie like me.

Not saying this is an easy situation, neither that they should just GO to Germany or wherever they want.

But I am saying that we should treat them like HUMAN BEINGS not like shit. (((

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aka123

Here is what Finnish war refugees looked like. It is quite different picture than about the Syrian, etc. refugees arriving to Europe. Journey is of course harder, but I don't think that it helps those kids position that able bodied men leave and kids and women are left behind.

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MaDalton

that is simply not true - that's the problem cause people believe that

but still Germany is better to them than most other countries, yes

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