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Sly · 09-05-2015, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

The fact is if these refugees religious sect were the ones in power. They would be pillaging their counter parts.

It has 0 to do with the west. It's always easier to point the finger on the west.

I mean it couldnt be the fact these people come from different fanatical religious sects and indoctrinate their children from birth to hate eachother? But nope.... wests fault.

Spend 15 minutes researching the Shiites and the Sunnis and anyone can see that the West doesn't even matter. And that's just them! Mix in the Christians, then mix in your different tribes, then mix in your different royal families, then mix in your different nations, then mix in your fighting over resources.

And on and on and on.

The Middle East has more money than any country could ever possibly need.

4 of the top 30 countries based on GDP alone (excluding Israel):
https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/ec...rest-countries

Germany is #18 on that list, by the way, behind Qatar at #1 (that country that bribed FIFA to have a luxurious World Cup event in the middle of the summer in the middle of the desert) and United Arab Emirates at #8 (that country building all sorts of little islands that look like the globe and really neat looking trees.)

Blame the West!

j3rkules · 09-05-2015, 08:15 AM

Well I mean given that I can't go out and talk to a billion and a half people to understand them all I can go on is what I read about the magnitude.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
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NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
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People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
A Year After Iraq War | Pew Research Center

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
PJ Media
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda?s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/po...cks-on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

Tasty1 · 09-05-2015, 08:17 AM

PS, the background story about the poor kid that was drowned. They where already in Turkey for months/ years and wanted to go to Canada. That was cause they didn't have much work/money in Turkey and hard to get work. He also needed dental repair for 14.000 USD because during tortures they hit his teeth. So his sister from canada and other family sent money so they could buy a bout to flew to Europe (Sweden/Germany) for 14K dental repair and than try to get to Canada.

Dit is het verhaal achter Syrisch jongetje Aylan - Elsevier.nl

can't blame people to try to get a better life, but how much risk must you take.

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

PS, the background story about the poor kid that was drowned. They where already in Turkey for months/ years and wanted to go to Canada. That was cause they didn't have much work/money in Turkey and hard to get work. He also needed dental repair for 14.000 USD because during tortures they hit his teeth. So his sister from canada and other family sent money so they could buy a bout to flew to Europe (Sweden/Germany) for 14K dental repair and than try to get to Canada.

Dit is het verhaal achter Syrisch jongetje Aylan - Elsevier.nl

wait, what?

RazorSharpe · 09-05-2015, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

What makes their reluctance to take in any refugees so maddening is that several of those states - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UEA - are bankrolling Islamist rebels in Syria that are the cause of this mass migration of people.

Really? I wonder why. I mean I've never seen sheep walk into a slaughter house voluntarily ... have you?

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Really? I wonder why. I mean I've never seen sheep walk into a slaughter house voluntarily ... have you?

exactly.

think about what you just wrote.

MetaMan · 09-05-2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Spend 15 minutes researching the Shiites and the Sunnis and anyone can see that the West doesn't even matter. And that's just them! Mix in the Christians, then mix in your different tribes, then mix in your different royal families, then mix in your different nations, then mix in your fighting over resources.

And on and on and on.

The Middle East has more money than any country could ever possibly need.

4 of the top 30 countries based on GDP alone (excluding Israel):
https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/ec...rest-countries

Germany is #18 on that list, by the way, behind Qatar at #1 (that country that bribed FIFA to have a luxurious World Cup event in the middle of the summer in the middle of the desert) and United Arab Emirates at #8 (that country building all sorts of little islands that look like the globe and really neat looking trees.)

Blame the West!

I have read on and on about the different religious groups/sects/tribes you name it.

Assad's own Alawites were viewed as mystics. Sent into the mountains to hide from other sects. All you have to do is mix and match. It doesn't matter who is in power they all want to slaughter each other.

Most people agree that these areas need a dictator to keep the peace. Then they try to blame the west for removing people like Saddam. But then their idiotic solution is to bring refugees to a free western world who need/needed a dictator to to stop them from slaughtering eachother!? and now somehow in the free west the refugees are going to magically be peaceful when they need a dictator in the first place? fucking idiots.

Mutt · 09-05-2015, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

PS, the background story about the poor kid that was drowned. They where already in Turkey for months/ years and wanted to go to Canada. That was cause they didn't have much work/money in Turkey and hard to get work. He also needed dental repair for 14.000 USD because during tortures they hit his teeth. So his sister from canada and other family sent money so they could buy a bout to flew to Europe (Sweden/Germany) for 14K dental repair and than try to get to Canada.

Dit is het verhaal achter Syrisch jongetje Aylan - Elsevier.nl

can't blame people to try to get a better life, but how much risk must you take.

uh .... i'd say 50% of Americans couldn't afford a $14,000 dental bill.

L-Pink · 09-05-2015, 08:42 AM

Some of you need to start writing letters to your unborn grandchild apologizing for foolishly fucking up your country's for them.

Fact: they will never live as you so far have, Never have the same country you are giving away. Fucking shame and it will just get worse. What's the cut off point?

Tasty1 · 09-05-2015, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

uh .... i'd say 50% of Americans couldn't afford a $14,000 dental bill.

Ironicly a lot of Dutch people go top Turkey for dental care cause it is much cheaper there. And i went to a dentist in Colombia, he has a lot of people from USA cause it ic cheaper. I can advice to takeholiday in Mexico and do dental care there, still much cheaper than in USA and free holiday.

Sly · 09-05-2015, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Ironicly a lot of Dutch people go top Turkey for dental care cause it is much cheaper there. And i went to a dentist in Colombia, he has a lot of people from USA cause it ic cheaper. I can advice to takeholiday in Mexico and do dental care there, still much cheaper than in USA and free holiday.

If you live in the southern part of the United States, specifically Southwest, it's not uncommon to hear of someone traveling to Mexico for dental or eye care. In fact, when I was living in San Diego, I often saw advertisements for clinics in Tijuana (Mexican city across the border from San Diego.) I always laughed at the Tijuana Lasik ad, buy one eye get the second eye free.

I had a friend that took a day trip to Tijuana once to fix a bunch of cavities. He was happy.

aka123 · 09-05-2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

uh .... i'd say 50% of Americans couldn't afford a $14,000 dental bill.

14 000 $ dental bill? Are the tooth made of gold or something? We have public dental care and I am quite sure that it doesn't cost 14 000 even if you get brand new tooth altogether.

How in fuck it can cost that much in Turkey?

Sly · 09-05-2015, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

14 000 $ dental bill? Are the tooth made of gold or something? We have public dental care and I am quite sure that it doesn't cost 14 000 even if you get brand new tooth altogether.

Aw, you removed your rip on the United States after you realized nothing he said had anything to do with the United States.

Quite prejudicial of you, don't you think?

aka123 · 09-05-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Aw, you removed your rip on the United States after you realized nothing he said had anything to do with the United States.

Quite prejudicial of you, don't you think?

US health care is famous for being one of the most expensive and inefficient, no offense.

Though tooth implants seem to cost quite much in here too, in private sector I mean. Just partially new tooth is much less (about 700-1000 euros). In public they seem to ask something like 500 euros per jaw full of tooth (price to produce the service unknown), source unreliable.

stoka · 09-05-2015, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Some of you need to start writing letters to your unborn grandchild apologizing for foolishly fucking up your country's for them.

make it a video message, with bottle of beer in one hand and pork sandwich in another

RazorSharpe · 09-05-2015, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

exactly.

think about what you just wrote.

Don't need to. Any way you look at it, what you write makes me and any logical person come to the realization that you just like to hear yourself talk ... even if it's total bloody rubbish.

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Don't need to. Any way you look at it, what you write makes me and any logical person come to the realization that you just like to hear yourself talk ... even if it's total bloody rubbish.

more of your blame it on America(ns) attitude.

it is funny how you claim you are capable of an adult debate yet have continued to make personal remarks about me while exclaiming i'm the one doing so, yet i've maintained respectful attitude towards you and provided links supporting my comments while you've yet to do so, you've just pointed out that you're right because you're an Arab and claim you visited there.

it's also funny how it's convenient for you to blame America(ns) for the current Arabs slaughtering Arabs event but then spin around and claim it's because Arabs have been slaughtering Arabs for 1000s and 1000s of years.

either way, you are free to blame your life and Arabs slaughtering each other on me/America, no biggie. i'll turn on my tele and watch the slaughter from the comfort of my easy chair.

Mutt · 09-05-2015, 09:47 AM

Do you think Iranians wouldn't like to go back in time and reconsider their revolution?

Iran in the 60s/70s

It doesn't matter what you do in the Middle East, it all ends in failure, because the entire region is nothing but FAIL.

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Don't need to. Any way you look at it, what you write makes me and any logical person come to the realization that you just like to hear yourself talk ... even if it's total bloody rubbish.

heads-up, there are many people in this thread much much smarter than me who have logically realized America is not to blame for Arabs slaughtering each other. but it's cool you think you don't need to think about what you write.

Tasty1 · 09-05-2015, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

14 000 $ dental bill? Are the tooth made of gold or something? We have public dental care and I am quite sure that it doesn't cost 14 000 even if you get brand new tooth altogether.

How in fuck it can cost that much in Turkey?

You didn't read the story. He was tortured and the hit all his tooth in Syria. The main reason he want to go to Europe was to get free dental care and than go to Canada. And yes, i think a full dental care when you lost all your teeth during torturing is a fair amount.

Bad situation, already 2 million refugees in Turkey. And more coming.

j3rkules · 09-05-2015, 11:00 AM

Nearly every fourth non-German Muslim rejects integration, questions western values and tends to accept violence, according to a study commissioned by the German Interior Ministry and released late Thursday morning.
. . .
There are currently around four million Muslims living in Germany, of which nearly half are German citizens.

The survey also showed that among the 14 to 32-year-olds there exists a "subgroup" of religious extremists who hold anti-western views and are reportedly prepared to use violence.

This group amounts to about 15 percent of Muslims with German citizenship and about 24 percent for Muslims who are not German.

femdomdestiny · 09-05-2015, 11:32 AM

There is no need to wonder what and if it will happen. It will. Learn about Kosovo and what happened there (not official version that was used as excuse to attack sovereign country and take 1/4 of it's territory) .

It is absolute same principle and once you go through that, you will start seeing models in their behaviour and phases of a plan.

European stupidity is incredible. I guess life in good conditions make you soft and you think that everyone think in a same way. That is ultimate mistake that european kids will pay in worst possible way.

And if you think it is impossible to have organized muslim military in Europe, small reminder how that looked like in Bosnia back in the 90's and how cute they are. Most of them left there and are ready to act.

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 11:41 AM

klinton · 09-05-2015, 12:18 PM

I will repeat this once again: thanks for bringing "democracy" to Iraq, Libya and Syria.
thanks for messing up with these countries and their governments.
now you created ISIS and this huge migration problem.

the real question is: did you do it because you are that stupid and shortsighted or that smart and it was actually your plan ?

the questions is adressed to European elites....those who have power....and some "other influental "elites in this world too...

femdomdestiny · 09-05-2015, 12:23 PM

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the real question is: did you do it because you are that stupid and shortsighted or that smart and it was actually your plan ?

But you already know the answer. No one is that stupid, especially most powerfull country in the world.

Divide et impera

klinton · 09-05-2015, 12:25 PM

it is exactly the same in Poland when they talk about Ukraine and all the problems that are actually their fault when they started supporting blindly "peaceful Maidan protesters".
by they - I mean media and political elites.
First i was thinking that this is some kind of conspiracy..later it appeared that these people are just stupid and out of touch with any part of reality.
So I'm asking once again: were people who overthrow Kaddafi, Assad and Saddam really THAT STUPID ? or it was their plan ?..............

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that's the thing, it's a vicious cycle for idiots who cry that the people need to be let in etc. They ignore the reality of ghettos full of them here and the constant crime. Here the people in the media sit safely in their huge houses at the canals in amsterdam, surrounded by others who do not know the reality in the rest of the country. They live in a dream world.

I saw a popular show here in NL talking about the pic of the dead kid, and they introduced this acress with the words "she is already redecorating her attic to place a shower and room for some refugees" and i instantly changed the channel. This naive dreamworld crap really turns my stomach around, a woman like that has no fucking clue. And ofcourse she's the first to go on TV to announce to the world she is doing this. That behaviour completely away from reality with the aim to brainwash is sickening.

klinton · 09-05-2015, 12:27 PM

and why Germany, France, UK, Italy dont have independent politicians then and are playing and acting against their own nations ?
what they lean on ? Noah's Ark for them as elites of new world?

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But you already know the answer. No one is that stupid, especially most powerfull country in the world.

Divide et impera

klinton · 09-05-2015, 12:29 PM

really ? i wouldnt be so sure actually. idiots without reality sense/ check are everywhere

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No one is that stupid, especially most powerfull country in the world.

femdomdestiny · 09-05-2015, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton

and why Germany, France, UK, Italy dont have independent politicians then and are playing and acting against their own nations ?
what they lean on ? Noah's Ark for them as elites of new world?

They lean on money, that will help their children go to Australia or USA, and watch it from there. Why do you think that they have any plan at all? (remember guys like Berlusconi have only one plan and that is to enjoy as much as possible and fuck around...and he was a legitimate representative of Italy for many years ) . Germany, Italy and especially France wouldn't exist if there were no Uncle Sam to shape them in a way they need it after WW2.

Those are strong countries if you watch from Europe, but compared to USA, they are small children. In every possible way. They can't decide on their own and won't do what is best for them. We saw that many times in modern history. Last episode in Europe was with Ukraine...european countries fucked themself and ruined their ties with Russia for what? Ukraine? Who gives a shit for a Ukraine for real?

Anyway, most of migrants (not fucking refugees because they are not) will end in Balkans and will overtake it completely in incoming decades.

femdomdestiny · 09-05-2015, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton

really ? i wouldnt be so sure actually. idiots without reality sense/ check are everywhere

US is most organized world power that history ever saw. While other nations are battling for basic things and between neighbours , US is controlling half countries in the world. Some directly, some through political control. That is no task for stupid people, as I am concerned.

klinton · 09-05-2015, 12:50 PM

that's the Italian way of doing things actually and true Italian spirit...somebody elected him - and it was his nation

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(remember guys like Berlusconi have only one plan and that is to enjoy as much as possible and fuck around...and he was a legitimate representative of Italy for many years )

Sly · 09-05-2015, 12:53 PM

Interesting: Putin confirms Russian military involvement in Syria's civil war - Business Insider

klinton · 09-05-2015, 12:54 PM

really ? and how Snowden could steal all NSA secrets ?
and there are many examples of how US foreign policies are turning against them..in just 3,5 or 10 years...do you think that it is all planed/ staged ? i dont think so...clueless people are everywhere. its chaos man, very often it's just chaos

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US is most organized world power that history ever saw. While other nations are battling for basic things and between neighbours , US is controlling half countries in the world. Some directly, some through political control. That is no task for stupid people, as I am concerned.

klinton · 09-05-2015, 12:55 PM

everybody knew that actually since 2011. or better yet - since 70s in XX century

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Interesting: Putin confirms Russian military involvement in Syria's civil war - Business Insider

femdomdestiny · 09-05-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton

really ? and how Snowden could steal all NSA secrets ?
and there are many examples of how US foreign policies are turning against them..in just 3,5 or 10 years...do you think that it is all planed/ staged ? i dont think so...clueless people are everywhere. its chaos man, very often it's just chaos

It is not perfect system, of course there are always mistakes, everywhere. System that is profiting on other people suffering (that is always happening far away) is smart enough.

Mutt · 09-05-2015, 01:36 PM

Russia's getting dragged into this now, it would be a very positive move for the US and Russia to join together against ISIS. It's time for the US to finally be done with Saudi Arabia, that's the origin of all this lunacy, from Al Qaeda to ISIS - Wahhabism, the most fucked up version of Islam.

ISIS attacked Russian military barracks - Business Insider

Scott McD · 09-05-2015, 02:56 PM

Who remembers this friendly bunch ??

Depressing...

Joshua G · 09-05-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol

I don't suppose you think that American military interventions, especially in Iraq neighboring Syria had anything to do with the crisis?

not really, no. at some point in time one must stop blaming the war in iraq for things that happen in 2011 & later. The USA left, & everything thats happened since is on arab time. the primary cause of the refugees is the fall of assad. ISIL was a couple hundred dead enders when american troops left Iraq. What it turned into happened on syrian soil & is on assad not USA. & ISIL's expansion into Iraq is on malaki not on obama, unless you want to argue obama shoulda kept us there? nope. ISIL happened after USA left.

Sly · 09-05-2015, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD

Who remembers this friendly bunch ??

Depressing...

It is somewhat common in the United States, especially in the Southwest, to see Mexican flags. You do not see parades of Mexican, legal or illegal, chanting "death to the United States." That is just surreal.

Struggle4Bucks · 09-05-2015, 03:44 PM

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And if you think it is impossible to have organized muslim military in Europe, small reminder how that looked like in Bosnia back in the 90's and how cute they are. Most of them left there and are ready to act.

Relax...

If this:

Turns into this:

Then it will be

But if it turns out to be more (too much) of this:

Then i'm sure it will turn out like this:

Humanity is capable of the most cruel things... Civilization is just a fucking thin layer of chromium... I don't expect too much of it...

I think the world will live to see another case of West-European gründlichkeit....

RazorSharpe · 09-05-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

more of your blame it on America(ns) attitude.

it is funny how you claim you are capable of an adult debate yet have continued to make personal remarks about me while exclaiming i'm the one doing so, yet i've maintained respectful attitude towards you and provided links supporting my comments while you've yet to do so, you've just pointed out that you're right because you're an Arab and claim you visited there.

it's also funny how it's convenient for you to blame America(ns) for the current Arabs slaughtering Arabs event but then spin around and claim it's because Arabs have been slaughtering Arabs for 1000s and 1000s of years.

either way, you are free to blame your life and Arabs slaughtering each other on me/America, no biggie. i'll turn on my tele and watch the slaughter from the comfort of my easy chair.

There's comes a time, even in what one initially perceives as a genuine adult discussion, that one must consider that the other party is no longer worth the hassle. You have not been respectful at all. From your second reply to me where you stated you knew i wasn't having a dig at Americans to then continuously and insidiously suggesting, in every subsequent message, that I was blaming America was nothing short of disingenuous.

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 03:57 PM

I'm very ingenous when I tell you you are free to blame America. As you did in your operation freedom post, you know the one, where you blame violence in Syria on operation freedom in iraq and USA fancy words like democracy.
Although you did later flipflop on that and claimed the slaughter in syria is simply the continuation of Arab on Arab slaughter that's been happening for thousand and thousands of years.

Either way, you are free to blame America.

RazorSharpe · 09-05-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

I'm very ingenous when I tell you you are free to blame America. As you did in your operation freedom post, you know the one, where you blame violence in Syria on operation freedom in iraq and USA fancy words like democracy.
Although you did later flipflop on that and claimed the slaughter in syria is simply the continuation of Arab on Arab slaughter that's been happening for thousand and thousands of years.

Either way, you are free to blame America.

Don't try and twist my words armchair Rambo. You started using fancy words like catalyst ... so yes, Arabs were always at war but the "interventions" in the Arab region were the "catalysts". You can sit in your home all day and deny simple facts, I don't really care.

You like posting links in newspapers and calling them historians so here's on for you:
The real reason the Syrian refugees keep coming*to Europe from the Middle East | Daily Mail Online

You suggested that I was blaming america because I used the words Operation Freedom and democracy. Here's news for you:
1. America wasn't the only country involved in that conflict
2. Democracy isn't just a luxury afforded in America so just because I use the word doesn't mean I am speaking about America
3. I directly quoted a European when I said that so I was speaking about Europe's involvement

If you want to make believe that I was blaming Americans, then by all means be my guest.

RazorSharpe · 09-05-2015, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Although you did later flipflop on that and claimed the slaughter in syria is simply the continuation of Arab on Arab slaughter that's been happening for thousand and thousands of years.

I did no such thing but you just continue reading things in a manner that suits your agenda.

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 04:53 PM

There ya go with the name calling again. It's hard to take you seriously about your claims that I'm not being respectful all while you call me names. It's not unlike when you blamed the American operation freedom for Syrian slaughter then changed to exclaim Syrian slaughter is nothing more than a continuation of Arab on Arab killing. And just like your "there comes a time...when it's not worth the hassle..." speech yet you flipflopped on that and now I'm worth the hassle again.

Either way, you are free to blame America.

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

I did no such thing but you just continue reading things in a manner that suits your agenda.

Either way, you are free to blame Americans, just like you just did. No biggie.

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

2. Democracy isn't just a luxury afforded in America so just because I use the word doesn't mean I am speaking about America

Democracy is not a luxury, period. Anywhere. Personal freedom|democracy is a right.

Either way, you have personal freedom here to blame America.

RazorSharpe · 09-05-2015, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There ya go with the name calling again. It's hard to take you seriously about your claims that I'm not being respectful all while you call me names. It's not unlike when you blamed the American operation freedom for Syrian slaughter then changed to exclaim Syrian slaughter is nothing more than a continuation of Arab on Arab killing. And just like your "there comes a time...when it's not worth the hassle..." speech yet you flipflopped on that and now I'm worth the hassle again.

Either way, you are free to blame America.

what? you didn't appreciate "armchair rambo" after you dropped this little gem:

"i'll turn on my tele and watch the slaughter from the comfort of my easy chair."

Kinda like you flip flopping between:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i never said you were bashing, or taking a dig at Americans, settle down.

And what you're doing now? Nah, I didn't think so .... you flip flopping is true, mine is just a figment of your imagination.

RazorSharpe · 09-05-2015, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Democracy is not a luxury, period. Anywhere. Personal freedom|democracy is a right.

Either way, you have personal freedom here to blame America.

If you think anyone mentioning democracy is automatically talking about America because no other country in the land can claim Democracy then it's a luxury. I'm not the one who went ape shit and started claiming someone was bashing America just because they used the word Democracy ...

dyna mo · 09-05-2015, 05:11 PM

In your world you owe me an apology for your being completely confused about my posts.

09-05-2015, 08:15 AM	#252
j3rkules VIP Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 22,111	Well I mean given that I can't go out and talk to a billion and a half people to understand them all I can go on is what I read about the magnitude. ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers Telegraph \| Error 404 \| Sorry, the page you have requested is not available NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified Page Not Found: 404 Not Found - CBS News WebCite query result People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. 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09-05-2015, 09:47 AM	#268
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09-05-2015, 11:00 AM	#271
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09-05-2015, 08:42 AM	#259
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09-05-2015, 11:41 AM	#273
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09-05-2015, 12:18 PM	#274
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09-05-2015, 03:57 PM	#292
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,316	I'm very ingenous when I tell you you are free to blame America. As you did in your operation freedom post, you know the one, where you blame violence in Syria on operation freedom in iraq and USA fancy words like democracy. Although you did later flipflop on that and claimed the slaughter in syria is simply the continuation of Arab on Arab slaughter that's been happening for thousand and thousands of years. Either way, you are free to blame America.

09-05-2015, 04:53 PM	#295
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,316	There ya go with the name calling again. It's hard to take you seriously about your claims that I'm not being respectful all while you call me names. It's not unlike when you blamed the American operation freedom for Syrian slaughter then changed to exclaim Syrian slaughter is nothing more than a continuation of Arab on Arab killing. And just like your "there comes a time...when it's not worth the hassle..." speech yet you flipflopped on that and now I'm worth the hassle again. Either way, you are free to blame America.

09-05-2015, 05:11 PM	#300
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,316	In your world you owe me an apology for your being completely confused about my posts.