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just a punk · 12-07-2015, 07:39 AM

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Russia was ALLOWED to have up to 25000 soldiers in Crimea according to the traitor Yanukowich who was fucked away from Ukraine.

It was before Yanukowich. Russian fleet and army have always been there. They were, thy are there now and they will be there tomorrow. You can't forbid Sun to shine and water to flow.

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Crimean people have been passive faggots all the years, same as everyone on a post soviet environment, they would never do a thing to change their lives, so Putin used their weak points.

In 1991 Crimean people have voted for a separate state, but their will was ignored by the Ukrainian government. Only an idiot could think they would act somehow different when they've got a chance to change their status.

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You can scream out loud about your being Russian patriot, but since you sell shit on the western market who supports democratic values you better shut the fuck up, you double side piece of shit.

I don't want to scream of anything and I don't sell anything on the "western market". I sell my products globally. If someone wants to buy them - he buys, if not - I'm ok with that. When you are buying Chinese goods you don't have to support the Communist ideas of Mao Zedong (don't you? ;)) So your comment is absolutely childish and plain stupid as usually. I blame it on vodka.

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I piss in your eyes.

You'd better stop drinking.. at least so hard

Sid70 · 12-07-2015, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It was before Yanukowich. Russian fleet and army have always been there. They were, thy are there now and they will be there tomorrow. You can't forbid Sun to shine and water to flow.

It's been a long time since the start of gang-banging Ukrainians by Russia and local traitors. Having Russian fleet in Crimea was a deal, money making cow for those in charge.
I'm not saying Ukrainian Government did anything good for people in Ukraine, they have been happy to join the robbery. I think they still sip the blood off the Ukrainians.

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In 1991 Crimean people have voted for a separate state, but their will was ignored by the Ukrainian government. Only an idiot could think they would act somehow different when they've got a chance to change their status.

I didn't hear there was a ban to sell houses and leave for Russia. You don't like living in that place you simply leave, or you do something to make it better.

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I don't want to scream of anything and I don't sell anything on the "western market". I sell my products globally. If someone wants to buy them - he buys, if not - I'm ok with that. When you are buying Chinese goods you don't have to support the Communist ideas of Mao Zedong (do you? ;)) So your comment is absolutely childish and plain stupid as usually. I blame it on vodka.

It only shows your other side that is a typical vatnik.

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You'd better stop drinking.. at least so hard

Tell your son to do so.

k0nr4d · 12-07-2015, 08:15 AM

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So why JFK was so mad when Soviets have deployed their missiles on Cuba?

Well, compare radar/satalite technology now and then. Also compare how long it takes to get jets in the air to shoot down a missle? The response time would be incomparably faster now. Poland wouldn't fire nukes on Kaliningrad because it would end up killing a shitload of it's own people in blast radius / radiation exposure, and Moscow would see missle coming towards it and have jets in the air before it even silo door even finished opening, since they would naturally be observing the area.

just a punk · 12-07-2015, 08:44 AM

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It's been a long time since the start of gang-banging Ukrainians by Russia and local traitors.

Since when Crimea has any relations to the Ukraine?

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Having Russian fleet in Crimea was a deal, money making cow for those in charge.

If you are a mature man, you should realize it was a fictitious deal. Some formal thing to let the Ukrainian government to feel some respect. We both know that if the Ukrainian government would not be able to break that deal in any case.

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I didn't hear there was a ban to sell houses and leave for Russia. You don't like living in that place you simply leave, or you do something to make it better.

I'm talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea...ferendum,_1991 and I really don't understand how Kosovo people are better than the Ukrainians?

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Tell your son to do so.

He doesn't drink at all. He has about 14 year experience in martial arts (aikido, kudo and sambo), he's a musician, and he's studying IT science in one of the best Moscow universities (not just for free, he's being paid for that by the government) and works as a Java coder. You may try to pour buckets of poison here, but it won't touch me somehow. I'm proud of my son and I have no worries about his future.

just a punk · 12-07-2015, 08:55 AM

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Well, compare radar/satalite technology now and then. Also compare how long it takes to get jets in the air to shoot down a missle?

I didn't get it. It's impossible to take up jets in order to shoot down a missile. Not then and not now.

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The response time would be incomparably faster now.

No, it won't. A cruise missile needs a couple of minutes to reach the target (from that distance). Only ground systems like S300-S400 and the US Patriots are potentially able to take them down. The strategic ICBM's can not be intercepted at all.

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Poland wouldn't fire nukes on Kaliningrad because it would end up killing a shitload of it's own people in blast radius / radiation exposure, and Moscow would see missle coming towards it and have jets in the air before it even silo door even finished opening, since they would naturally be observing the area.

You don't understand it. First of all, Poland will not be asked. Those will be the US missiles and only the US command will decide when to use them or not. You will be just a cannon fodder. Please understand it: those will be not your nukes and the USA will never allow you to get control over them. The second thing is that your country will turn into the first strike target. So the missiles will be operated by the United States, but in case of war your territory will be the first one to be bombed. Americans will have about a half of a hour to get into bunkers, while the regiment in Kaliningrad will destroy Poland in just 1-2 minutes. I'm not trying to scare you or so, I'm just trying to explain you the obvious things. If I'd be you, I'd never sign up for that shit.

The only nukes that can guaranty your security are your own nukes only.

woj · 12-07-2015, 09:12 AM

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You don't understand it. First of all, Poland will not be asked. Those will be the US missiles and only the US command will decide when to use them or not. You will be just a cannon fodder. Please understand it: those will be not your nukes and the USA will never allow you to get control over them. The second thing is that your country will turn into the first strike target. So the missiles will be operated by the United States, but in case of war your territory will be the first one to be bombed. Americans will have about a half of a hour to get in bunkers, while the regiment in Kaliningrad will destroy Poland in just 1-2 minutes. I'm not trying to scare you or so, I'm just trying to explain you the obvious things. If I'd be you, I'd never sign up for that shit.

The only nukes that can guaranty your security are your own nukes only.

you are missing the bigger picture... if Poland gets attacked now, rest of NATO may or may not actually defend them... but if US nukes/troops/etc end up in Poland, then rest of NATO will have no choice but to defend Poland...

so on one hand Poland will become a target, but at the same time will become an important asset that rest of NATO will have to defend...

...and really all this makes zero difference from strategic point of view, NATO nukes are already in Germany which is only marginally further away, and there is no reason why nuke armed subs couldn't be in the baltic / black sea... so putting nukes in Poland doesn't change anything, except solidify relationship between Poland and rest of NATO...

Sid70 · 12-07-2015, 09:12 AM

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Since when Crimea has any relations to the Ukraine?

If you are a mature man, you should realize it was a fictitious deal. Some formal thing to let the Ukrainian government to feel some respect. We both know that if the Ukrainian government would not be able to break that deal in any case.

I'm talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea...ferendum,_1991 and I really don't understand how Kosovo people are better than the Ukrainians?

He doesn't drink at all. He has about 14 year experience in martial arts (aikido, kudo and sambo), he's a musician, and he's studying IT science in one of the best Moscow universities (not just for free, he's being paid for that by the government) and works as a Java coder. You may try to pour buckets of poison here, but it won't touch me somehow. I'm proud of my son and I have no worries about his future.

You see, your attitude is a problem. I wouldn't have to prove that Ukraine is an independent country to anyone but you - you act like Putin, pretending shit didn't happen.

Fictional, хуи-ctional - the fuckers have been robbing the people, that's enough to stop right there. They are to blame for all the shit we have, and, of course, passive citizens.
It's a quintessence of a fuck up.

I would allow Ukrainians to vote, especially this particular hard time - if they want Crimea back or they don't care. I'm sure the most would vote 'fuck that shithole', people don't have to die for that, people don't have to live their lives expecting the next draft to be announced. People would vote contract army and call it a day.

You keep telling others what to do, ordering people to do as you say, you think it's ok to do so. I believe no matter how well set up you are, how well educated your son is - you are the typical mindset of those who play against Ukraine.

just a punk · 12-07-2015, 09:19 AM

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you are missing the bigger picture... if Poland gets attacked now, rest of NATO may or may not actually defend them... but if US nukes/troops/etc end up in Poland, then rest of NATO will have no choice but to defend Poland... so on one hand Poland will become a target, but at the same time will become an important asset that rest of NATO will have to defend...

I'm not missing it. Since the nukes will be controlled by the USA, only the USA will decide when to launch their nukes from the Poland ground or not. So if as you said, the States will think that a nuclear launch against Russia will be deadly for their own people, they (the US nukes) will not be launched and it doesn't matter what Poles think. Am I wrong? Thus the only country which will get benefits from the US nukes in Poland is the USA which (in case of global WWIII) will have a chance to nuke Russia from the most closest distance. However, this doesn't give any advantages to Poland. This just turns it into your cannon fodder. We both know that this country will be burned out first in case of a war. You are just using them.

Unfortunately I have learned the military science and I know how all that shit works.

woj · 12-07-2015, 09:30 AM

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I'm not missing it. Since the nukes will be controlled by the USA, only the USA will decide to launch their nukes from the Poland ground or not. So if as you said, the States will think that a nuclear launch will be deadly for their own people, they (the US nukes) will not be launched and it doesn't matter what Poles think. Am I wrong? Thus the only country which will get benefits from nukes in Poland is the USA which (in case of global WWIII) will have a chance to nuke Russia from the closest distance. However, this doesn't give any advantages to Poland. This just turn it into your cannon fodder. Be both know that this country will be burned out first in case of a war. You just used them.

Unfortunately I have learned the military science and I know how all that shit works.

I don't think it's about gaining some strategic edge, cause like I said there isn't much to gain strategically by putting nukes in Poland, nukes can just as easily be launched from black/baltic sea/germany/etc...

it's more about making Poland a key asset within NATO, forcing NATO to defend it in case of any conflict...

k0nr4d · 12-07-2015, 09:39 AM

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I'm not missing it. Since the nukes will be controlled by the USA, only the USA will decide when to launch their nukes from the Poland ground or not. So if as you said, the States will think that a nuclear launch against Russia will be deadly for their own people, they (the US nukes) will not be launched and it doesn't matter what Poles think. Am I wrong? Thus the only country which will get benefits from the US nukes in Poland is the USA which (in case of global WWIII) will have a chance to nuke Russia from the most closest distance. However, this doesn't give any advantages to Poland. This just turns it into your cannon fodder. We both know that this country will be burned out first in case of a war. You are just using them.

Unfortunately I have learned the military science and I know how all that shit works.

If as you said ballistic missle is impossible to stop and takes 'a few minutes' to reach target then it will take not much longer to arrive from Berlin then warsaw...ICBM i'm reading travels at 6-7km per second

Warsaw is 1150km in straight line from Moscow, Berlin is 1600km, so a whole extra minute of extra notice.

Honestly, it doesn't matter because when the nukes start and who dies first - Moscow and Washington would both be rubble 10 minutes after Warsaw anyways.

MaDalton · 12-07-2015, 09:39 AM

such a charming thread

k0nr4d · 12-07-2015, 09:46 AM

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such a charming thread

Webmaster war games

just a punk · 12-07-2015, 09:50 AM

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I don't think it's about gaining some strategic edge, cause like I said there isn't much to gain strategically by putting nukes in Poland, nukes can just as easily be launched from black/baltic sea/germany/etc...

it's more about making Poland a key asset within NATO, forcing NATO to defend it in case of any conflict...

No, you are wrong. This will not force NATO to defend Poland somehow. Just because using of nuclear weapon will mean the beginning of global WWIII. Thus if hypothetically Poland will be invaded by Russia (which is absolutely impossible), the States will have to decide if they want a nuclear war or not and it doesn't matter is they have nukes in Poland or not. The decision will be the same anyways (to nuke Russia or to not). As I said above, the only advantage the USA will gain is to nuke Russia faster using their missiles in Poland (a very reasonable thing). This won't give any profit to Poland however, because it will be a first strike target. I mean if there will be some military conflict which will not be related to the "Russian invasion of Poland" (give me a single argument why Russia could do it), the Russian army will do everything it can to eliminate that country first. Actually this is a real danger for both sides. That's not a protection, that's a provocation of war.

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If as you said ballistic missle is impossible to stop and takes 'a few minutes' to reach target then it will take not much longer to arrive from Berlin then warsaw...ICBM i'm reading travels at 6-7km per second

No, please re-read my post above. Hint: ICBM's can not be used on such a low range. Only cruise missiles and low range ballistic missile systems like 9K720 (aka Iskander) can do it.

dyna mo · 12-07-2015, 09:53 AM

moot thread.

Poland's Defense Ministry denied on Sunday that it is considering asking for access to nuclear weapons through a NATO program under which the U.S. places them on the territory of certain allied states.

On Saturday, Deputy Defense Minister Tomasz Szatkowski said that the ministry was currently discussing whether to ask to take part in NATO's so-called Nuclear Sharing program to improve the country's defenses. He made the comments in an interview with the private broadcaster Polsat.

But the Defense Ministry issued a statement on its website on Sunday denying that discussions are underway.

"Within the Defense Ministry there is presently no work underway concerning the accession of our country to the NATO Nuclear Sharing program," the statement said.

The 28-member NATO has three nuclear powers, the U.S., France and Britain, but only the U.S. has provided weapons to allies for nuclear sharing. Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey have hosted nuclear weapons as part of the program.

Poland Denies Considering Request for Nuclear Weapons - ABC News

theking · 12-07-2015, 10:15 AM

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Unfortunately I have learned the military science and I know how all that shit works.

You are joking of course...right?

just a punk · 12-07-2015, 10:17 AM

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You are joking of course...right?

Sure man, as usually - everything is a pigshit

CAHEK · 12-07-2015, 10:20 AM

just a punk · 12-07-2015, 10:25 AM

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Кто ж тут ссорится? Я тупо не понимаю, с какого перепуга поляки решили, что американское ядерное оружие как-то спасет их от злой России. Все ж ровно наоборот. Это как махать красной тряпкой перед быком. Раньше он тебя не замечал, но надо же как-то привлечь внимание. Странная логика, если честно...

theking · 12-07-2015, 10:26 AM

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Sure man, as usually - everything is a pigshit

When it comes to knowledge about strategic and even tactical strategies you are pretty much full of pigshit. You claim to either have been or are currently an active duty military officer but I suspect that is not true as your ignorance about military matters is pretty obvious.

Sarn · 12-07-2015, 10:29 AM

Life — is waiting list for death, if poland want be ferst - are welcome, it their choise.

just a punk · 12-07-2015, 10:34 AM

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When it comes to knowledge about strategic and even tactical strategies you are pretty much full of pigshit.

I was expecting for this post ))) Thank you General, please go back to your whiskey - it will help you to find the path ;)

theking · 12-07-2015, 10:47 AM

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I was expecting for this post ))) Thank you General, please go back to your whiskey - it will help you to find the path ;)

FYI...I do not make it a habit to drink.

JFK · 12-07-2015, 12:23 PM

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They should wait until Amazon start doing them - Free delivery...

Now you're talkin, a zloty saved is a zloty earned !

Sid70 · 12-08-2015, 06:34 AM

Длу русских коетинов.
????? ??????? ?? ??????: dolboeb

ZiggiZiggiCrew · 12-08-2015, 07:40 AM

ну што там, разместили ужжо? Поляки уже светяцца от щастья в тимнате?

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Длу русских коетинов.
ÐÐ°Ñ?ÐºÐ° Ñ?Ð¼Ð¸Ñ?Ð°Ñ?Ñ? Ð·Ð° ÐhaÐ¾Ð´Ð¸Ð½Ñ?: dolboeb

не читал, но осуждаю

Sid70 · 12-08-2015, 07:55 AM

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ну што там, разместили ужжо? Поляки уже светяцца от щастья в тимнате?

не читал, но осуждаю

Уже шмальнули вроде по Смольному даже.

just a punk · 12-08-2015, 08:36 AM

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Уже шмальнули вроде по Смольному даже.

Sarn · 12-08-2015, 09:16 AM

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Длу русских коетинов.
ÐÐ°Ñ?ÐºÐ° Ñ?Ð¼Ð¸Ñ?Ð°Ñ?Ñ? Ð·Ð° ÐhaÐ¾Ð´Ð¸Ð½Ñ?: dolboeb

жизнь это очередь за смертью - но кто то лезет без очереди.
PS:plz in English

MaDalton · 12-08-2015, 09:31 AM

when you want to insult each other in russian - can't you do that on master-x?

Sid70 · 12-08-2015, 10:09 AM

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when you want to insult each other in russian - can't you do that on master-x?

Well, both things are against the tos, russian and naming other boards I guess. Lets not be that formal when it comes down insulting. I'm alone here holding the fuckers.

Sarn · 12-08-2015, 10:29 AM

ZiggiZiggiCrew · 12-08-2015, 11:45 AM

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Уже шмальнули вроде по Смольному даже.

Песдишь, сцуко, я щаз в Питере, все пучком здесь

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,903	moot thread. Poland's Defense Ministry denied on Sunday that it is considering asking for access to nuclear weapons through a NATO program under which the U.S. places them on the territory of certain allied states. On Saturday, Deputy Defense Minister Tomasz Szatkowski said that the ministry was currently discussing whether to ask to take part in NATO's so-called Nuclear Sharing program to improve the country's defenses. He made the comments in an interview with the private broadcaster Polsat. But the Defense Ministry issued a statement on its website on Sunday denying that discussions are underway. "Within the Defense Ministry there is presently no work underway concerning the accession of our country to the NATO Nuclear Sharing program," the statement said. The 28-member NATO has three nuclear powers, the U.S., France and Britain, but only the U.S. has provided weapons to allies for nuclear sharing. Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey have hosted nuclear weapons as part of the program. Poland Denies Considering Request for Nuclear Weapons - ABC News

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