pimpmaster9000

rapists
looters
religious extremists
not willing to adapt and assimilate
terrorists
etc

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One probably smells worse than the other, but not much different I guess.

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Yes. The Founding Fathers were geniuses, men of valour, revolutionairies who changed the world and were WHITE.

ISIS is a bunch of desert rats who should be exterminated.

PS: America says FUCK YOU.

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Why indulge this retard

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Hey crucifissio think you and the Ayatollah could keep the "death to America!" chant down to a dull roar today? I have a hangover

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pimpmaster9000

I was referring to the mass rapes, religious extremism, theft of land, mass murder, unwillingness to assimilate to native american culture etc

all the things people do not like about ISIS stand true for the founding fathers...

oh you called them "revolutionaries", well using the funds of your country to cross the pond and then fucking them over is pretty much treason it takes no valor to fuck over your country

can anybody else name a difference between ISIS and the US founding fathers? I am truly having a hard time spotting one

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The Continental Army did not behead captives and enslave its conquered people. They were not big on raping the captured women either.

The American Revolution was an insurrection. The Islamic Terrorist State is an army of conquest.

The American Revolution was inclusive of all religions and ethnicities. The Islamic Terrorist State is exclusive of religions and ethnicities that are not their version of Medieval Sunni Islam.

There is no similarity except in your rabid anti-USA garbage

pimpmaster9000

no it just offered rewards for their scalps, put them in concentration camps, force deported millions of them and plain murdered anybody who got in the way...keep in mind that you were guests in THEIR country

American Indian Genocide - RationalWiki

no it was plain old treason...you used your ex-countries funds to cross the pond and steal land, and then you committed plain ol' treason but I chuckled when you called it """"""""insurrection"""""""

you were also an army of conquest...you sure as shit did not leave so conquest is the exact thing you did


except the native americans, negores, chineese, irish who were plain old slaves LOL...


well your founding fathers pretty much fucked everybody that was not white and christian so it boils down to the same...only they killed much much much more people than ISIS

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YES YES YES we all KNOW you are obsessed with gay ass rape you fucking faggot anal ass monkey.

Find a boyfriend already jeez.

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Word to that

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For a self confessed coward who ran from defending his own homeland you sure seem to be a tough Internet warrior.

Fucking Serb loser.


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WarChild

250 years of social evolution? Maybe things haven't changed where you live in 250 or so years, but western society is a little more advanced now.

Before you get started, I'm not American, I've never dropped a bomb anywhere in the World so just park your righteous indignation right over there next to your outhouse. You're going to have to try and attack me based on what I've said, not your tiny little narrow view on a nation of over 300 Million people. Since your thought progress is roughly as organized as Mind Waste's after a meth bender, I won't hold my breath.

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pimpmaster9000

I do not have to be jealous of anything to ask a valid question. I honestly see no difference between the US founding fathers and ISIS....


I did not ask about americans today did I? I asked specifically about the founding fathers, so your argument of 250 years of evolution is invalid...

concentrate on the question: what is the difference between the US founding fathers and ISIS (not americans today and ISIS)

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ISIS is not a COLONY you clueless, rape-obsessed fuckwit.
ISIS is not trying to start a NEW COUNTRY.
ISIS is not looking to create a free society with freedom of speech or a CONSTITUTION.

(Sorry but apparently I enjoy shouting at idiots. I should look into that...)

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Wizzo

Which religious extremism did they follow?

From my understanding, Religious freedom was a founding principle not death to anyone that doesn't believe like them...

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Sure.

Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights?

Have you read the Federalist Papers, anything by John Locke or Thomas Hobbes, or maybe JJ Rousseau, all of whom deeply inspired them?

The American Revolution was about inviolable personal rights to freedom, the rights protected by natural law, which no state is free to abridge. That's a 180 from a theocracy. They knew the dangers of tyrannical theocracy - and that's why the Bill of Rights prohibits an establishment of religion. That's a pretty fundamental difference.

So, you'll respond to talk about aboriginal persons and slaves. The English simply had not reached a consensus about the rights of persons who were not part of the body politic. They should have concluded that, if rights come from natural law, that they extend to all humans. But I think that among the protestants, who entirely dominated the Revolution, there actually was dispute about whether aboriginals and Negroes were human beings. The Catholics had resolved that issue centuries before, but weren't enthusiastic about democracy in general, and so it only meant anything important to marriage and family of slaves in Catholic countries.

There isn't any dispute of how the radical muslims look at the rights of nonmuslims. They are nonexistent for persons who are not "of the book", and sharply constrained for Christians and Jews. They both can be enslaved at will, by capture. No one in the American Revolution held that view. But all of this concerning aboriginal persons and slaves is a sideshow issue (except to the people affected!) to whether the two groups have much in common. They don't. ISIS is driven by religious fervor towards absolute, tyrranical theocracy. The Founders were driven by natural law principles about the dignity and rights of individuals - especially the rights of individuals against large majorities of people who would deprive them of fundamental freedoms. "Fundamental Freedom" is a concept that simply has no meaning in Islam, there is freedom only to be a muslim.

That's the difference.

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Horatio Caine

Its in their blood.
Quick WW2 facts:

It took France 1 month and 15 days to surrender.
It took 10 days for Yougos to throw in the white flag.
So please lets all stop making fun of French now!

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pimpmaster9000

I never said ISIS is a colony, nor was that the point...look what I wrote
ISIS is actually trying to form a new country.
The USA had a constitution for white people, not injun' and black people and chineese or anybody else not white.<---valid point!


the first paragraph I have trouble with because you stole land...theft has nothing to do with rights, but has a lot to do with personal freedom...the freedom to steal

the second paragraph completely disqualifies anything you said in the first...if it is selective freedom, just for "bros" then it means nothing...the nazis had a constitution too...freedom for the arians etc...ask the jews how progressive it was...

and yet marginal player USA lost just as much soldiers in WW2 as tiny shit hole white flag throwing yugoslavia

american history= easiest target ever

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Didn't think I would get a reply from your worthless chicken ass.

Still "running" ?

Still afraid?

Deserting your own country but playing tough internet warrior.

You are the most pathetic loser to ever post on GFY.

Congratulations.


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The Porn Nerd

ISIS is not trying to start a new country dude. You think they will stop when Syria is destroyed or will they then try for Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. They are a cancer and it has to be erradicated.

While I do agree that one man's "revolutionary" is another man's "terrorist", ISIS and the Founding Fathers are not the same thing. Besides, who will build statues of the ISIS leaders? Who ARE the ISIS "founding fathers" if you will?

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Barry-xlovecam

ISIS rape gangs attack women captives for sick pleasure and payment/reward for the ISIS fighter.

Serbian rape gangs were organized to attack women captives for political purposes of expelling the unwanted population.

How are they the same?
Both are organized war crimes and are barbaric acts.

Fuck you. You have a totally POS argument like usual ...

Joe Obenberger

Ah, but the American Revolution wasn't about grabbing land. It wasn't a war against the Indians. Many of the founders were veterans of the French and Indian Wars, twenty years earlier, in which both the French and the English worked together as allies with various Native American tribes to fight the other. Even Benjamin Franklin served for awhile as a company commander in the English forces. Washington made a great reputation as a leader, and that's why the Continental Congress sought him out to lead the military. In the generation of the Revolution, the generation of the Founders, settlement over the mountains was just beginning, and that start was generally peaceful. You write about the Founders, that particular generation and that particular Revolution - but they simply were not men of ambition to conquer new land, but people of principle, influenced by free thinkers, conserving and protecting rights they felt to be natural. In no way did their philosophy - or their way of war - resemble that of ISIS. They fought to preserve their own rights against tyrrany. ISIS fights to conquer territory and inhabitants upon whom they force their will. Diametric opposites.

Well, you seem to be shifting your issues. It was about resemblance between the American Patriots and ISIS. Now it's about the Nazis, where these kinds of arguments all tend to devolve when the antagonist is losing the debate. In fact, you're wrong. The Nazis did not have a constitution, bill of rights, etc. After the Reichstag Fire, Hitler ruled by decree, as though it were martial law, by consent of the Reichstag. No one had inviolable rights, not Germans, not Austrians, not persons in the occupied nations. Not even the former aristocracy. The individual was subordinate in every way to the Leader's will, and the purposes and aims of the welfare of Das Volk as he saw it. So, the Patriots were also 180 from the Nazis.

There was no significant Chinese presence to exploit during the Revolution. Your attention seems to be drifting from the issues you raised. Americans didn't go about enslaving people, conducting expeditions to bring slaves to markets. We have the Dutch and the Brits who deserve most of the the credit. Whereas ISIS captures its own slaves and exploits them for every imaginable purpose. Our Patriot ancestors held slaves, as virtually the entire world did. That factoid does not establish a resemblance to the Nazis or to ISIS.

Let me know when the most cherished symbol of ISIS is a Liberty Bell and when its elected leader steps aside after two terms, when it prohibits the state from establishing religion, when it protects freedom of the press and freedom of speech, when it limits the government in searching property and arresting people, when it protects the right to legal counsel in criminal cases and guarantees a right to a jury trial of one's peers. If you see any similarity between the Patriot Founders and ISIS, I can only suggest to you that I persnonally know that Lenscrafters had some great coupons in the Sunday Chicago Trib.

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pimpmaster9000

yeah right I should have gone to fight for bill clinton and the local politicians over who we are going to pay tax next to

oh you silly spongy fruit eater...

no they are trying to form a caliphate...we are discussing semantics...they are terrorists who are unwilling to adapt, religious nuts, they kill, rape, loot just like the founding fathers did...

so ISIS is "revolutionary" too then...they are doing exactly like the founding fathers...they are forming a "bros" club just like the founding fathers, its fine if you are a "bro" but if you happen not to be a "bro" then you are pretty fucked...history repeating

who will build statues is non sequitur...


and injun scalps warranted a cash reward...and you could kill them for entertainment...

yet serbia needs 3000 years to catch up with just one year of rape in the USA...gay+str8 rape you guys are on botswana levels

and the stealing of land form native americans, genocide, concentration camping and scalping of injuns is an un-organized love crime?

oh and considering how rapy US people are I bet you guys raped and gay raped the shit out of injun's

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pimpmaster9000

bro...I hate to break it to you but you stole their land...you can not say it was not about the land when they boarded a ship with the intention to steal land...gold..plunder...they did not go over to open an embassy...you went for gold and land...and to this day you are on this land...it was about the land ok?

the sentences outlined in red are in complete contrast to the truth from an native american point of view....you write like the complete and utter theft of land did not happen and does not matter...it was not the american revolution...it was the traitors bro club...a revolution would involve ALL the population...not just select bros...

this is hard to understand for some but: you do not really have the right to steal land and pretend like it was a good-will-humanitarian-freedom-liberty thing...it was plain ol murder and theft...

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There's one interesting short story by Ivo Andric - one pretty christian girl in a Bosnian town refused to spread her legs for some local Ottoman leader so he slit her throat and raped her while she was still warm. End of story.

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Trivializing rape. Stay classy.

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Albanians descendants of the Ottomans - USA supports them

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You dumped your own country you pussy.

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SilentKnight

Hmm...where'd I put that list of countries that formed an international coalition to wipe out the founding fathers of the U.S.?

Horatio Caine

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Joshua G

i wouldnt say the founding fathers stole indian land. I would argue instead that they exercised an early version of "imminent domain." after all, white people were far superior to the savages they replaced. What would USA look like today had the "owners" kept it up this past 200 years? We can look to mexico for clues, yes? Charles darwin said it best. survival of the fittest.

The white fucking man. making it all happen. recognize.

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mineistaken

very well said, op. the only difference that isis are doinv that in 2016 while fathers did it in dark times. perfect illustration of how much muslim culture is lagging behind in terms of being civilized. Nice thread backfire!

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Your more successful countryman says it best:

The Porn Nerd

1. A caliphate is NOT a country. It is a very different thing so it is not semantics.

2. The Founding Fathers of America did not kill, rape, loot.....unless you mean the Boston Tea Party (symbolic "looting" I suppose) or the killing of British soldiers during wartime. Rapes (your particular obsession) did not happen the way it is being used by ISIS.

3. The statue comment was to show ISIS has no "George Washington". They are more akin to Iran and the Ayatollah if anything. You cannot compare religious nutbags with the Founding Fathers. Perhaps the Pilgrims, who were Puritan, but not John Adams et al.

NOTE: I am opting out of any Thomas Jefferson debates. Nobody's perfect. LOL

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Where do you think Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ISIS' scumbag leader got the organised rape program -- Slobodan Milošević & Co. Serbia's scumbag deposed leader.

The both will have the same fate -- found dead in a prison cell.

crucifissio is a fucking doorknob -- don't waste word 1 arguing any reason with a doorknob -- he is just trolling ... I just though this deserved a return troll

Joe Obenberger

Alas, it's you who fails to remain on point. Way up at the top, here's the question posed:

"Is there a difference between ISIS and the founding fathers of the USA"

That generation conducted no wars against the Indians and stole no land. Slavery had been abolished or discontinued in the Northern States, about the first place in the world where the process of emancipation took place. They stood for religious and personal freedom, risking their "lives, their property, and their sacred honor" to fight for the liberty of their fellow colonists.

But you claim the Chinese were victimized by the founding fathers. That is, people who weren't there. You claim the founders afforded the Indians no respect and stole from them. The opposite is true. The constitutional convention actually considered the organizational form of the Iroquois Confederation and discussed in in planning for a new republic. That generation stole nothing. They raped nobody. They captured no slaves. They went to church a lot and declared national days of Thanksgiving and other days of fasting and prayer, but they left it to individuals to work out how that was to happen. At the tail end, and against considerable debate about whether Congress had the power to expand the nation, Jefferson purchased Louisiana from Napoleon and sent Lewis and Clark peaceably to explore, trade and make friends with the Indians, which they did. Whatever sins happened, it was a later generation that committed them.

The Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776. The Constitution was adopted thirteen years later, in 1789. The generation that lived during those years, the foundational years of the United States of America, produced the "founding fathers". They founded it, and so naturally, they are called "founding".

You have zilch facts on your side. If you did, you'd trot them out. There is nothing that connects ISIS and the Patriots in any meaningful sense.

Enough of this troll.

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pimpmaster9000

I do not mean to sound like I am legitimizing what ISIS is doing, just pointing out that the founding fathers did worse...It is amusing to me to see the level of desperation where no american will admit that they plain stole land

also on my chuckle list is how the terms "freedom" and "personal rights" are used to describe what was essentially a racist apartheid system where injun's and black people were not considered human and had the rights to pick cotton or live in a concentration camp...

I mean some people here are trying to make the founding fathers sound like good will ambassadors

it was a "bros" club...intolerant of anybody who is injun or black, unwilling to adapt to local culture, unwilling to learn the language, a bunch of immigrants and refugees...

basically:


but without the pointy hats...

oh and 200 years later the blacks got a right to go to school in the USA but had to be escorted by military, because the white police would trayvon martin them

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