The cost of bringing jobs back to the West. - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 03-20-2016, 04:55 AM

Read what Trump says. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...a-trade-reform

I support Trump on this and think the EU should join with him and tackle more than China. The entire Third World needs to understand if they want to sell goods to us, they have to buy as much as they sell and stick to the rules.

The problem will be getting voters to stick with the plans and forcing the politicians and 1% to implement the policies.

OK a pair of Jeans will cost from $150 up, a mobile phone $800 and up, cars, washing machines and even houses will all cost more to build. The good side is jobs will come back, GDP, taxes, incomes will rise (unless you're a politician or 1%).

Will voters vote for a policy that means they're forced to buy less? Apart from the poor, low paid and unemployed.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2016, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I support Trump on this and think the EU should join with him and tackle more than China. The entire Third World needs to understand if they want to sell goods to us, they have to buy as much as they sell and stick to the rules.

pray tell how a poor country that can not afford shit is supposed to buy as much as it sells?

the entire 3rd world begs you guys to take production home, and see how much 300$ nikes you sell

spads · 03-20-2016, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

pray tell how a poor country that can not afford shit is supposed to buy as much as it sells?

the entire 3rd world begs you guys to take production home, and see how much 300$ nikes you sell

It's a myth that clothes would cost that much if production was moved to the west. Look at American Apparel. They do all their manufacturing in the US. Just checked prices on their site and good quality button down shirts are $40-60. Pretty much the exact same price as a Zara shirt that's manufactured in Bangladesh.

The reason why the CEO of Nike wants you to think that shoes would cost $300 a pair is that's what the price would have to be for him to keep is obscene salary. Someone already posted it in another thread, but western consumers are more conscious than ever about buying locally made products. The internet is only helping this trend. Combine that with the fact that China and other 3rd world countries can only sustain if they suppress the quality of life of their own people and I see this trend continuing.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2016, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by spads

It's a myth that clothes would cost that much if production was moved to the west. Look at American Apparel. They do all their manufacturing in the US. Just checked prices on their site and good quality button down shirts are $40-60. Pretty much the exact same price as a Zara shirt that's manufactured in Bangladesh.

The reason why the CEO of Nike wants you to think that shoes would cost $300 a pair is that's what the price would have to be for him to keep is obscene salary. Someone already posted it in another thread, but western consumers are more conscious than ever about buying locally made products. The internet is only helping this trend. Combine that with the fact that China and other 3rd world countries can only sustain if they suppress the quality of life of their own people and I see this trend continuing.

never heard of american apparel TBH...but:

american apparel revenue 600mil$
nike revenue 30.000mil$ (30billion)

sounds like they do not have $$ for being a global player...273 shops world wide total?...nike has that just in our 3rd world shit hole...

if you are going to be a global player, you can not do it with production in the USA...

spads · 03-20-2016, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

never heard of american apparel TBH...but:

american apparel revenue 600mil$
nike revenue 30.000mil$ (30billion)

sounds like they do not have $$ for being a global player...273 shops world wide total?...nike has that just in our 3rd world shit hole...

if you are going to be a global player, you can not do it with production in the USA...

Well Nike also had a 25 year head start. If you live in an English speaking country you know American Apparel. Again, 3rd world production is only sustainable if they can keep suppressing their own people. Last time I checked, it's human instinct to want to constantly improve your living situation.

ErectMedia · 03-20-2016, 06:32 AM

I'd give crazy tax breaks to any company manufacturing/employing here. And I'd tax the imports to levels to remove any offshore advantage. Wanna sell in the US then it has to be made here or at least assembled here. Merica

Paul Markham · 03-20-2016, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

pray tell how a poor country that can not afford shit is supposed to buy as much as it sells?

the entire 3rd world begs you guys to take production home, and see how much 300$ nikes you sell

Who cares if they buy less, they can't destroy the living standards of their customers so a few get very rich.

However, they can buy Arms, Planes, Advanced engineering, Rolls Royces.

Yes, Nike trainers, that cost $10 bucks to make in India and sell for $300 will have to spend less on advertising, promotion, marketing a product. And people will have to do without the latest styles. And people will get jobs.

Paul Markham · 03-20-2016, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by spads

It's a myth that clothes would cost that much if production was moved to the west. Look at American Apparel. They do all their manufacturing in the US. Just checked prices on their site and good quality button down shirts are $40-60. Pretty much the exact same price as a Zara shirt that's manufactured in Bangladesh.

The reason why the CEO of Nike wants you to think that shoes would cost $300 a pair is that's what the price would have to be for him to keep is obscene salary. Someone already posted it in another thread, but western consumers are more conscious than ever about buying locally made products. The internet is only helping this trend. Combine that with the fact that China and other 3rd world countries can only sustain if they suppress the quality of life of their own people and I see this trend continuing.

So all the companies moving to the Third World and buying from there. Are doing it because of what?

CEOs salary are a small part of the difference in costs.

Yes agree with the Internet, go to Ebay and Amazon to see the goods coming direct from China. This has to be blocked.

CurrentlySober · 03-20-2016, 07:17 AM

I dunno, but it would have cost a lot less to bring him anywhere, had he chosen to be cremated instead of buried in an unmarked grave

Barry-xlovecam · 03-20-2016, 07:22 AM

The post industrial west can only do this with AI and robotic workers and deliver a product that can be sold, and even exported, at a price that is comparable to cheap developing and third world labor.

This will put all human low skilled workers world-wide out of work.
Ironically, this is a bonanza for the globalist.

This would be a big pay day for technicians, robotics developers and specialized manufacturers.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-20-2016, 07:29 AM

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Yes agree with the Internet, go to Ebay and Amazon to see the goods coming direct from China. This has to be blocked.

Why? I bought a lot of products shipped direct from China and Hong Kong at 1/2 the price they sell them for at Walmart

That is the problem when you try to be the lowest price seller -- someone will always undersell you. I would rather see that Chinaman make a little more -- in time he may afford to buy his own production. In fact, there are a new class of billionaire Chinese and a consumer economy developing in China now.

If they would legalize sex cams ... I am already selling a little to some wealthy Chinese

slapass · 03-20-2016, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Read what Trump says. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...a-trade-reform

I support Trump on this and think the EU should join with him and tackle more than China. The entire Third World needs to understand if they want to sell goods to us, they have to buy as much as they sell and stick to the rules.

The problem will be getting voters to stick with the plans and forcing the politicians and 1% to implement the policies.

OK a pair of Jeans will cost from $150 up, a mobile phone $800 and up, cars, washing machines and even houses will all cost more to build. The good side is jobs will come back, GDP, taxes, incomes will rise (unless you're a politician or 1%).

Will voters vote for a policy that means they're forced to buy less? Apart from the poor, low paid and unemployed.

Billions of people were pulled out of poverty by world trade. A few hundred million have to pay a little of attention to achieve what their fathers did. Wages have not gone up in 20 years or whatever. You really do need a college degree to get somewhere.

I understand that some of your grandkids might not have a 2 48 inch TV but is it a decent trade off that some people have electricity or decent water?

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2016, 10:15 AM

the problem with the west is that they want it both ways...

they want to be competitive but pay high salaries to domestic workers...
they want to raise taxes on imports but not have other countries raise tax on them...
they want to raise the prices of products but not suffer a loss in sales...
they want to stay globally competitive but not use sweat shops...

you can not have it both ways...pick one...

"trump said" is not a realistic solution...

ITraffic · 03-20-2016, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

OK a pair of Jeans will cost from $150 up, a mobile phone $800 and up, cars, washing machines and even houses will all cost more to build.

largely a myth and a scare tactic. many companies can make the numbers work. just propaganda to justify greed.

https://www.americanapparel.net/abou...rticalint/usa/

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2016, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

largely a myth and a scare tactic. many companies can make the numbers work. just propaganda to justify greed.

https://www.americanapparel.net/abou...rticalint/usa/

"Every year American Apparel contributes roughly $25 million dollars in federal and state payroll taxes"

sounds like peanuts...small profit margin = peanut income for the state

Relic · 03-20-2016, 10:46 AM

Go to wallmart crucifissio

Barry-xlovecam · 03-20-2016, 11:12 AM

What's cheaper?
To pay 2 or 3 times what something is worth so a Luddite can be gainfully employed.
Or, to create a robotic work force to replace the Luddite workers that are incapable of adapting world wide -- they can go back to subsistence farming -- I will donate a bag of seeds and a knife.

It will come down to this soon.
Or, a new Dark Ages.

Planet of the Apes is a harbinger of a not so distant future?

Paul Markham · 03-20-2016, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ErectMedia

I'd give crazy tax breaks to any company manufacturing/employing here. And I'd tax the imports to levels to remove any offshore advantage. Wanna sell in the US then it has to be made here or at least assembled here. Merica

giving tax breaks would be good and in the long run bring more money in, taxing imports also good.

Paul Markham · 03-20-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

What's cheaper?
To pay 2 or 3 times what something is worth so a Luddite can be gainfully employed.
Or, to create a robotic work force to replace the Luddite workers that are incapable of adapting world wide -- they can go back to subsistence farming -- I will donate a bag of seeds and a knife.

It will come down to this soon.
Or, a new Dark Ages.

Planet of the Apes is a harbinger of a not so distant future?

You just don't want to pay more to give fellow countrymen a job.

Just say it because your reasoning is BS. Unless you're saying the Third World is now technically more advanced than the US.

Paul Markham · 03-20-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Billions of people were pulled out of poverty by world trade. A few hundred million have to pay a little of attention to achieve what their fathers did. Wages have not gone up in 20 years or whatever. You really do need a college degree to get somewhere.

I understand that some of your grandkids might not have a 2 48 inch TV but is it a decent trade off that some people have electricity or decent water?

Yes it has made many people in foreign countries richer. Some disgustingly rich and some no better off at all.

This is about how many Trump supporters are prepared to be poorer in the short run, to bring jobs back.

ITraffic · 03-20-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

"Every year American Apparel contributes roughly $25 million dollars in federal and state payroll taxes"

sounds like peanuts...small profit margin = peanut income for the state

if you don't know who they are you live in a bubble.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2016, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

if you don't know who they are you live in a bubble.

they must not have enough money for marketing...you can not have it both ways...even though trump says you can

OR they must be too expensive for export, and nike made in china gives stores a better mark up with their sweat shop labour...

you can not have it both ways...

Barry-xlovecam · 03-20-2016, 01:28 PM

Why would I want to pay more for the same thing? I think that the outsourced workers are going to be obsoleted too.
I won't pay a chump to do a job that can be done by a machine more cost effectively.

I would pay more taxes for universal healthcare and improving education in the USA. Each according to his needs to some degree but no handout jobs at my expense.

CPA-Rush · 03-20-2016, 02:41 PM

asians have some skills and they would work more for few dollars lol
those nike materials are cheap also looks beautiful .

i did only wore those shoes the last 2 decades , tier 1 chinese/indonesian .

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Why would I want to pay more for the same thing? I think that the outsourced workers are going to be obsoleted too.
I won't pay a chump to do a job that can be done by a machine more cost effectively.

I would pay more taxes for universal healthcare and improving education in the USA. Each according to his needs to some degree but no handout jobs at my expense.

the thing about robots is, they take out the highest paid low skill workers first...if you have a work force for pennies, you will find robots financially viable at a later date than the one who has a higher paid work force...

robots hit the west first...then they hit everybody else...including the owners of the robots, because the market will shrink and few people will be left who are able to purchase the produced goods...it hits the robot makers last....well played robot makers, well played

Rochard · 03-20-2016, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The entire Third World needs to understand if they want to sell goods to us, they have to buy as much as they sell and stick to the rules.

It doesn't work that way.... They can't buy a pair of $60 jeans from the US because that's six months wages for them.

astronaut x · 03-20-2016, 06:59 PM

Trump is a business man. It's pretty hard to compete business wise without outsourcing these days. If Trump can pander to to the christian right with lies about he much loves the Jesus and the Bible, what makes you think he is not pandering to those who think he wants to bring back jobs to the US?

Smoke and mirrors Paul.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2016, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

Trump is a business man. It's pretty hard to compete business wise without outsourcing these days. If Trump can pander to to the christian right with lies about he much loves the Jesus and the Bible, what makes you think he is not pandering to those who think he wants to bring back jobs to the US?

Smoke and mirrors Paul.

in trumps defence his dads name was christ! #noissues

Paul Markham · 03-21-2016, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Why would I want to pay more for the same thing? I think that the outsourced workers are going to be obsoleted too.
I won't pay a chump to do a job that can be done by a machine more cost effectively.

I would pay more taxes for universal healthcare and improving education in the USA. Each according to his needs to some degree but no handout jobs at my expense.

How many machines and Third World Members do you have?

Paul Markham · 03-21-2016, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It doesn't work that way.... They can't buy a pair of $60 jeans from the US because that's six months wages for them.

Then they won't sell as much to the West.

Paul Markham · 03-21-2016, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

Trump is a business man. It's pretty hard to compete business wise without outsourcing these days. If Trump can pander to to the christian right with lies about he much loves the Jesus and the Bible, what makes you think he is not pandering to those who think he wants to bring back jobs to the US?

Smoke and mirrors Paul.

What, a businessman and politician isn't telling the truth!!!!!!

I'm shocked.

It's so comical watching some who believe he's different.

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	What's cheaper? To pay 2 or 3 times what something is worth so a Luddite can be gainfully employed. Or, to create a robotic work force to replace the Luddite workers that are incapable of adapting world wide -- they can go back to subsistence farming -- I will donate a bag of seeds and a knife. It will come down to this soon. Or, a new Dark Ages. Planet of the Apes is a harbinger of a not so distant future?

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Why would I want to pay more for the same thing? I think that the outsourced workers are going to be obsoleted too. I won't pay a chump to do a job that can be done by a machine more cost effectively. I would pay more taxes for universal healthcare and improving education in the USA. Each according to his needs to some degree but no handout jobs at my expense.

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astronaut x Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: From this www and beyond! Posts: 4,844	Trump is a business man. It's pretty hard to compete business wise without outsourcing these days. If Trump can pander to to the christian right with lies about he much loves the Jesus and the Bible, what makes you think he is not pandering to those who think he wants to bring back jobs to the US? Smoke and mirrors Paul.