News California to extend Obamacare to illegal immigrants using ?innovation waiver

[brassmonkey]

California legislators have passed a bill which would allow illegal immigrants to purchase insurance on the state?s Obamacare exchange. The bill first has to be signed by Gov. Jerry Brown and then the change would need to be approved by the federal government.

If approved, the change would break another promise made by President Obama when selling the law to Americans. During a 2009 address to Congress Obama said, ?There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants.? He added, ?This too is false. The reforms I?m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.? That was when Rep. Joe Wilson famously interjected, ?You lie!? The break in decorum earned him an official rebuke.

California to extend Obamacare to illegal immigrants using â??innovation waiverâ?? « Hot Air

[nico-t]

Thanks for the copy and paste, halfwit

[Rochard]

I don't believe Obama lied. The way the law was written and when it was put in place, illegal immigrants were not included. The state of California is doing this, not Obama. I believe it will pass too.

I think this is a bad idea, and California has become too friendly to illegal immigrants. Only citizens should have a driver's license; If a foreigner wants to legally drive in the US they should have an international DL. However, I understand why. Because illegal immigrants could not get a driver's license, they just drove illegally - which included no insurance. This causes our insurance rates to increase. It's the same with healthcare - illegal immigrants are not covered under Obamacare, but the hospitals still have to see them, which increases the costs, which are passed to everyone else.

The entire point of Obamacare was to lower healthcare costs. Seems like healthcare costs are about to rise. We need to figure out a way to prevent costs from increasing any further.

[Paul Markham]

Another piece of proof that mass migration is because the rich demand it. To keep wages down.

[dyna mo]

Rochard writes another wrong wall of text.

The reality:


"Obamacare explicitly bars people in the country illegally from its provisions, but a loophole called the ?innovation waiver? allows for states to change portions of the law, as long as they make coverage available to more people and as long as the federal government doesn?t have to pick up the tab, among other requirements. The bill, which would require that a request for a waiver be filed, first must be approved by the state legislature and the governor before the waiver can be considered by the federal government.

Though the California bill does not come with federal subsidies that make health insurance more affordable to low- and middle-income people, critics fear it?s heading that way.
?This is a two-step process: Open the door to the exchanges, but when no one can afford to buy insurance you come back and add the subsidies,? says Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform. ?This is the first step in another misrepresentation of the Affordable Care Act. It was sold to the American people on the fact that you wouldn?t have to subsidize health care for illegal immigrants.?

[dyna mo]

And like Rochard, Markham also fails to grasp the issue, just jump on the bandwagon.

[mineistaken]

This is unbelievable and disgusting.
ILLEGAL comes to the government, gives himself up as an illegal and government instead of immediately deporting him, says no problem that you are illegal here, here is your insurance, continue living here, illegal.
Whoever does that is a traitor. Too unbelievable, shocking even. How come this could happen? Illegal gives himself up - government dopes not care and even encourages him... Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I hope they CHARGE the MEXICAN RAPISTS double for their Obamacare. </sarcasm>

Well I'll be damned: They do pay FULL price -- with no taxpayer subsidies.

The bill would require that individuals eligible to purchase California qualified health plans pay the cost of coverage without federal assistance and meet other specified requirements.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...=201520160SB10

hotair.com ROFLMAO

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

This is unbelievable and disgusting.
ILLEGAL comes to the government, gives himself up as an illegal and government instead of immediately deporting him, says no problem that you are illegal here, here is your insurance, continue living here, illegal.
Whoever does that is a traitor. Too unbelievable, shocking even. How come this could happen? Illegal gives himself up - government dopes not care and even encourages him... Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

they are already getting benefits and drivers licenses.
There&apos;s been a boom in driver&apos;s licenses issued to immigrants here illegally - LA Times

[woj]

it's not like there are many options...
1. let them die in the streets
2. treat them for free (status quo)
3. subsidize their insurance, so some sign up and at least contribute something to their health care costs...
4. take steps to reduce illegal population
5. take steps to legalize illegal immigrants

option 3 is actually pretty decent, and offers least political resistance...

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

This is unbelievable and disgusting.
ILLEGAL comes to the government, gives himself up as an illegal and government instead of immediately deporting him, says no problem that you are illegal here, here is your insurance, continue living here, illegal.
Whoever does that is a traitor. Too unbelievable, shocking even. How come this could happen? Illegal gives himself up - government dopes not care and even encourages him... Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

and to think that the founding fathers went through the proper american-indian authorities to come to the americas and did not commit treason at all when they declared independence for territory they got to using their former countries resources!!!

makes me mad as fuck

I can not believe this

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

And like Rochard, Markham also fails to grasp the issue, just jump on the bandwagon.

If you still think bought and paid for politicians are doing this against the orders of their owners. There's no hope for you.

Every single survey that looks at the real contribution of migrants by sectors comes out the same. The bottom 50%, could be more, are a cost to the country.

They will take up jobs from others, lower wages, raise crime, strain support organisations like schools, hospitals, etc.

The winners are the employers and people with property portfolios.







This is why Trump is winning votes with people who are deluded enough to think he will change it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by woj

it's not like there are many options...
1. let them die in the streets
2. treat them for free (status quo)
3. subsidize their insurance, so some sign up and at least contribute something to their health care costs...
4. take steps to reduce illegal population
5. take steps to legalize illegal immigrants

option 3 is actually pretty decent, and offers least political resistance...

You missed out.

6. Dump them back where they came from.
7. Fine their employers, so much it funds more migration/border control officers.
8. Fine their landlords, so much it funds more migration/border control officers.

7 and 8 are a big problem. Look at the current fines for those who lure migrants and who gets fined.

(1) Criminal penalty

Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

Employer Sanctions

The greatest incentive for illegal aliens to come to the United States is to find work. If there are no employers willing to hire them, then the flood of illegal aliens will subside. The Immigration and Reform Act of 1986 outlawed hiring illegal alien workers, although common practice has proven that measure ineffective for two reasons:

The law requires proof that the employer knowingly hired the illegal worker.
The prevalence of fake documents make it difficult to prove the employer knew that the employee?s work documents were not legitimate.

How easy is it in the 21st Century to check if a person's documents are authentic? Very easy if the will is there to ask the police to check, of course, a database would make it very easy. But the words "knowingly" make it easy to ignore and stay safe.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You missed out.

6. Dump them back where they came from.
7. Fine their employers, so much it funds more migration/border control officers.
8. Fine their landlords, so much it funds more migration/border control officers.

7 and 8 are a big problem. Look at the current fines for those who lure migrants and who gets fined.

How easy is it in the 21st Century to check if a person's documents are authentic? Very easy if the will is there to ask the police to check, of course, a database would make it very easy. But the words "knowingly" make it easy to ignore and stay safe.

your 6, 7, 8 is my #4 "take steps to reduce illegal population"

it's an option, but not a very realistic one, especially not in liberal California with huge immigrant population...

[poncabare]

make the prisoners in the usa pick all the fruit etc that these illegals do, we already pay for them to sit on their asses anyway. problem solved, the demand of those jobs is fulfilled and they arent nearly as attracted to leaving their country (mexico)

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you still think bought and paid for politicians are doing this against the orders of their owners. There's no hope for you.

Every single survey that looks at the real contribution of migrants by sectors comes out the same. The bottom 50%, could be more, are a cost to the country.

They will take up jobs from others, lower wages, raise crime, strain support organisations like schools, hospitals, etc.

The winners are the employers and people with property portfolios.







This is why Trump is winning votes with people who are deluded enough to think he will change it.

i like engaging you Mrkhm. because you always react with even more gibberish. like a true liberal lynch mobster, you make shit up about Americans so you can use it to point your finger at US.

isn't your little village isolated enough from USA? no one is paying off American politicians to drop a bomb on your hut.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I hope they CHARGE the MEXICAN RAPISTS double for their Obamacare. </sarcasm>

Well I'll be damned: They do pay FULL price -- with no taxpayer subsidies.


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...=201520160SB10

hotair.com ROFLMAO

Thank you. Well done.

[Joshua G]

trump should build the wall around california.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I hope they CHARGE the MEXICAN RAPISTS double for their Obamacare. </sarcasm>

Well I'll be damned: They do pay FULL price -- with no taxpayer subsidies.


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...=201520160SB10

hotair.com ROFLMAO

although, prior to BO care, the illegals would not be able to acquire insurance at all. BO care gives them access, not subsidies....yet. this is how california fucks itself time and again. we open the door up to more and more expenses without fixing the underlying issues or other issues.

the last thing cali legislature needs to be spending time on right now is making sure illegal mexicans can get medical insurance.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

This is unbelievable and disgusting.
ILLEGAL comes to the government, gives himself up as an illegal and government instead of immediately deporting him, says no problem that you are illegal here, here is your insurance, continue living here, illegal.
Whoever does that is a traitor. Too unbelievable, shocking even. How come this could happen? Illegal gives himself up - government dopes not care and even encourages him... Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

What I don't understand is why aren't these people arrested? On the spot?

I used to work at Taco Bell in Livermore, California. (True story!) Once a month two Border Patrol officers would come up to the front counter in uniform, and half of our staff would run out the back door - right into the arms of yet more Border Patrol officers.

Why aren't these people arrested? When we catch someone in the United States illegally, we should be arrest them and throw them in jail.

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What I don't understand is why aren't these people arrested? On the spot?

I used to work at Taco Bell in Livermore, California. (True story!) Once a month two Border Patrol officers would come up to the front counter in uniform, and half of our staff would run out the back door - right into the arms of yet more Border Patrol officers.

Why aren't these people arrested? When we catch someone in the United States illegally, we should be arrest them and throw them in jail.

why ask when you know the answer! Big money relies on hiring these illegals to increase their bottom line. You fuck with illegals and you fuck with their money!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What I don't understand is why aren't these people arrested? On the spot?

I used to work at Taco Bell in Livermore, California. (True story!) Once a month two Border Patrol officers would come up to the front counter in uniform, and half of our staff would run out the back door - right into the arms of yet more Border Patrol officers.

Why aren't these people arrested? When we catch someone in the United States illegally, we should be arrest them and throw them in jail.

what do you mean on the spot? in your very example illegals were in the country long enough to get a job at taco bell before they were arrested on the spot once a month.

next, do you really think illegals are not being arrested? a quick google reveals ~500,000 illegals were arrested in 2013 alone.

finally, as a californian, you're not aware of sanctuary cities? do you really not know about cities that advertise that they are safe havens for illegals to avoid being arrested?

come on now.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What I don't understand is why aren't these people arrested? On the spot?

I used to work at Taco Bell in Livermore, California. (True story!) Once a month two Border Patrol officers would come up to the front counter in uniform, and half of our staff would run out the back door - right into the arms of yet more Border Patrol officers.

Why aren't these people arrested? When we catch someone in the United States illegally, we should be arrest them and throw them in jail.

This is exactly my point. Illegals should be arrested/deported/whatever acording to the law.
Yet somehow they manage to get licences and stuff like that. They give themselves up to the government and instead of arresting/deporting - they give them licences and whatever.
This does not make any sense.

I mean lets say you are wanted for a crime in US, you go to the ploice for something unrelated and they give you that something instead of arresting you for the crime you are wanted for.
Ridiculously unbelievable.

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Another piece of proof that mass migration is because the rich demand it. To keep wages down.

No fucking shit.

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

This is exactly my point. Illegals should be arrested/deported/whatever acording to the law.
Yet somehow they manage to get licences and stuff like that. They give themselves up to the government and instead of arresting/deporting - they give them licences and whatever.
This does not make any sense.

I mean lets say you are wanted for a crime in US, you go to the ploice for something unrelated and they give you that something instead of arresting you for the crime you are wanted for.
Ridiculously unbelievable.

You are absolutely correct. And my apologies for that "dumbass" comment the other day. I did not mean it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

This is exactly my point. Illegals should be arrested/deported/whatever acording to the law.
Yet somehow they manage to get licences and stuff like that. They give themselves up to the government and instead of arresting/deporting - they give them licences and whatever.
This does not make any sense.

I mean lets say you are wanted for a crime in US, you go to the ploice for something unrelated and they give you that something instead of arresting you for the crime you are wanted for.
Ridiculously unbelievable.

that's not how it happens. undocumented people go to the department of motor vehicles and get a license, they don't go to the police. it's not against the law to be undocumented, for the sake of getting a dl, per se.

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