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Rochard · 07-05-2016, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

How did peggy sue break the law again? I've never heard of anyone accepting counterfeit money as a payment being charged with anything. Now if Peggy Sue's boss told her to replace the real hundreds with counterfeit ones for deposit your scenario fits a bit better.

Peggy Sue assisted with depositing counterfeit money into circulation. She didn't know it was counterfeit, but she took the counterfeit money and put it into circulation.

Did Peggy Sue intend to break the law? Nope. She had no idea she was doing it. Did Clinton intend to break the law? Nope.

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It is admitted Clinton instructed her staffers to declassify classified emails by removing those designations before sending. She then knowingly discussed these classified topics with others.

I read about a handful of cases but have never read where she instructed her staff to declassify anything.

Are you talking about this? In email, Hillary Clinton tells aide to send talking points "nonsecure" - CBS News

Seems she was having problems sending information over a "secure fax". And she instructed someone on her staff to send it via unsecure means. However, these seem to be talking points which.... would be non classified.

Also seems to me that a lot of these emails were not classified at all when they were sent, but were then changed to classified.

Joshua G · 07-05-2016, 02:50 PM

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LOL at the idea that Trump is scared of Sanders. He's scared of the person who is currently beating him by 6% WHILE under FBI investigation. Now that it has ended, I say she gets a 4% pop.

He had better throw one hell of a convention - I still think he'll be hard to beat but he is running out of time.

hello. after reading a number of your posts now, i see you are thoughtful & openminded, & you tend not to offend. thats cool.

but when you say things like hilary is up 6 right now...not sure why thats relevant to you. polls are well known to be irrelevent months outside the election. there is a known bias by the people who both take the polls, & report them. its not a secret bias. so why bring up numbers that are fudged & will change.

trump was up 2 a few weeks back. but was he really? will hillary win by 6? will events happen in the future that can effect the outcome?

its so easy to forecast. polls will have clinton in the lead, all season long, until the debates are done. then the polls magically tighten & become too close to call come election. of course, hilary will always be leading. just by 3 points instead of 10 points.

then she will lose because the media totally covered up the energy-in-turnout gap. polls dont seem to get turnout very well. at least, when the liberal media takes sides in the game. they wont tell about the secret trump vote. rich people, hollywood types, corporate suits that have to appear to support hilary.

onwebcam · 07-05-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Peggy Sue assisted with depositing counterfeit money into circulation. She didn't know it was counterfeit, but she took the counterfeit money and put it into circulation.

Did Peggy Sue intend to break the law? Nope. She had no idea she was doing it. Did Clinton intend to break the law? Nope.

I read about a handful of cases but have never read where she instructed her staff to declassify anything.

Are you talking about this? In email, Hillary Clinton tells aide to send talking points "nonsecure" - CBS News

Seems she was having problems sending information over a "secure fax". And she instructed someone on her staff to send it via unsecure means. However, these seem to be talking points which.... would be non classified.

Also seems to me that a lot of these emails were not classified at all when they were sent, but were then changed to classified.

Peggy Sue taking counterfeit money doesn't put it into circulation because it will be removed as soon as it goes to the bank. Either way there is not one instance you can give me where a "Peggy Sue" has been charged. Period. MANY have been charged for lesser offenses than what Hillary did. For your scenario Peggy Sue (Hillary) owned, operated the business, knowingly accepted counterfeit money and respent that counterfeit currency.

Joshua G · 07-05-2016, 03:09 PM

this link is why hilary will lose. libs who live in safe spaces... dont click it.

mineistaken · 07-05-2016, 03:11 PM

no surprise at all, establishment power.

Axeman · 07-05-2016, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems she was having problems sending information over a "secure fax". And she instructed someone on her staff to send it via unsecure means. However, these seem to be talking points which.... would be non classified.

Also seems to me that a lot of these emails were not classified at all when they were sent, but were then changed to classified.

“From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department in 2014, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was top secret at the time they were sent; 36 of those chains contained secret information at the time, and eight contained confidential information at the time. That’s the lowest level of classification,” Comey said.

“…With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to the State Department, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received; one at the secret level and two at the confidential level. There were no additional top secret e-mails found. And finally, none of those we found have since been up-classified.”

“For example, seven e-mail chains concerned matters that were classified at the top secret special access program at the time they were sent and received. Those chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails about those same matters.”

"…None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system. But their presence is especially concerning because all of the e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers, not even supported by full-time security staff like those found at agencies and departments of the United States government or even with a commercial e-mail service like Gmail,” Comey added."

“To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who gauged this activity would gauge no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions but that is not what we are deciding now,” Comey said."

Not to mention she swore to congress and signed a sworn affidavit she turned over all emails, the FBI found thousands of work related emails that were not among the 30,000 she turned over. Of those "agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received; one at the secret level and two at the confidential level."

CaptainHowdy · 07-05-2016, 03:35 PM

Bladewire · 07-05-2016, 04:48 PM

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?From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department in 2014, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was top secret at the time they were sent; 36 of those chains contained secret information at the time, and eight contained confidential information at the time. That?s the lowest level of classification,? Comey said.

??With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to the State Department, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received; one at the secret level and two at the confidential level. There were no additional top secret e-mails found. And finally, none of those we found have since been up-classified.?

?For example, seven e-mail chains concerned matters that were classified at the top secret special access program at the time they were sent and received. Those chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails about those same matters.?

"?None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system. But their presence is especially concerning because all of the e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers, not even supported by full-time security staff like those found at agencies and departments of the United States government or even with a commercial e-mail service like Gmail,? Comey added."

?To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who gauged this activity would gauge no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions but that is not what we are deciding now,? Comey said."

Not to mention she swore to congress and signed a sworn affidavit she turned over all emails, the FBI found thousands of work related emails that were not among the 30,000 she turned over. Of those "agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received; one at the secret level and two at the confidential level."

Right, she's still guilty even thought the FBI & DOJ have investigated for a year and say she's innocent. It's a conspiracy of corruption!

Trump was actually in real life indicted by the DOJ on 7 counts of antitrust a few years ago, and a federal judge sided with the DOJ. Trump paid $750,000 in fines to stay out of federal prison. I'll bet he's innocent though and not corrupt right?

Axeman · 07-05-2016, 05:01 PM

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Right, she's still guilty even thought the FBI & DOJ have investigated for a year and say she's innocent. It's a conspiracy of corruption!

Trump was actually in real life indicted by the DOJ on 7 counts of antitrust a few years ago, and a federal judge sided with the DOJ. Trump paid $750,000 in fines to stay out of federal prison. I'll bet he's innocent though and not corrupt right?

So in your mind she did absolutely nothing wrong, even though the FBI director pointed out what she did do wrong? Any other person who did what she did, would lose their security clearance.

Trump does plenty wrong. Pushes the edges and pays the price for it from time to time. Both these candidates are frauds. Only one put top secret info at risk. But of course you see her as snow fucking white. Get the fuck outta here with your nonsense.

Bladewire · 07-05-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

So in your mind she did absolutely nothing wrong, even though the FBI director pointed out what she did do wrong? Any other person who did what she did, would lose their security clearance.

Trump does plenty wrong. Pushes the edges and pays the price for it from time to time. Both these candidates are frauds. Only one put top secret info at risk. But of course you see her as snow fucking white. Get the fuck outta here with your nonsense.

The FBI & DOJ say she's innocent. Case closed.

Meanwhile Trump will be on the witness stand in November and in a separate case judge Curiels decision on whether Trump will stand trial for RICO charges comes down the 17th of this month.

Rochard · 07-05-2016, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Peggy Sue taking counterfeit money doesn't put it into circulation because it will be removed as soon as it goes to the bank. Either way there is not one instance you can give me where a "Peggy Sue" has been charged. Period. MANY have been charged for lesser offenses than what Hillary did. For your scenario Peggy Sue (Hillary) owned, operated the business, knowingly accepted counterfeit money and respent that counterfeit currency.

In my example Peggy Sue assisted in the chain in counterfeit money being deposited in a bank. Again, her only intention was to do her job which required her to put that twenty dollar bill in the cash register. Her intention was never to assist counterfeiters in adding in counterfeit money to a bank.

Clinton's intention was never to break the law. Her intention was to do her job. You can argue she mishandled classified information, and you can argue she was sloppy with how it was handled, yet the end result was her server seems to have been more secure than the White House email system which was hacked. In fact, most likely some of this information was already compromised - Not by Hillary's server, but instead by the secure email servers in the White House.

I think at the end of the day, the State Department was very sloppy with how it handled emails. I also bet the problem is more widespread than we think; You know this is a problem in Congress too.

With violations into classified information.... It all boils down to intent and damage. There was no bad intention, and there was no damage done.

crockett · 07-05-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

this link is why hilary will lose. libs who live in safe spaces... dont click it.

You are in denial. Sit back, take a deep breath and repete Hillary will be the next POTUS over and over..

Watch as all your hopes and dreams turn to ashes..

Rochard · 07-05-2016, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

?From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department in 2014, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was top secret at the time they were sent; 36 of those chains contained secret information at the time, and eight contained confidential information at the time. That?s the lowest level of classification,? Comey said.

??With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to the State Department, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received; one at the secret level and two at the confidential level. There were no additional top secret e-mails found. And finally, none of those we found have since been up-classified.?

?For example, seven e-mail chains concerned matters that were classified at the top secret special access program at the time they were sent and received. Those chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails about those same matters.?

"?None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system. But their presence is especially concerning because all of the e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers, not even supported by full-time security staff like those found at agencies and departments of the United States government or even with a commercial e-mail service like Gmail,? Comey added."

?To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who gauged this activity would gauge no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions but that is not what we are deciding now,? Comey said."

Not to mention she swore to congress and signed a sworn affidavit she turned over all emails, the FBI found thousands of work related emails that were not among the 30,000 she turned over. Of those "agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received; one at the secret level and two at the confidential level."

There is really no doubt in my mind that Clinton broke the law in some respect. However, I am also willing to say that everyone in Congress has most likely done the same exact thing. I'm sorry - our government officials cannot call in an attorney and someone from the CIA to review every email before it goes out.

Rochard · 07-05-2016, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

no surprise at all, establishment power.

But when you say "establishment power" don't you mean Trump? You can argue Clinton is part of the "establishment", but isn't it people like Trump who buy and sell candidates? Didn't he say that once during a debate?

Rochard · 07-05-2016, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

The FBI & DOJ say she's innocent. Case closed.

Meanwhile Trump will be on the witness stand in November and in a separate case judge Curiels decision on whether Trump will stand trial for RICO charges comes down the 17th of this month.

They dragged Benghazi out for years. They can drag this out until November.

GFED · 07-05-2016, 06:02 PM

Who sets up their own email server anyways? Is this something others do? I still don't understand why she would have a private server instead of using a gmail account or whatever she was suppose to use.

onwebcam · 07-05-2016, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

In my example Peggy Sue assisted in the chain in counterfeit money being deposited in a bank. Again, her only intention was to do her job which required her to put that twenty dollar bill in the cash register. Her intention was never to assist counterfeiters in adding in counterfeit money to a bank.

Clinton's intention was never to break the law. Her intention was to do her job. You can argue she mishandled classified information, and you can argue she was sloppy with how it was handled, yet the end result was her server seems to have been more secure than the White House email system which was hacked. In fact, most likely some of this information was already compromised - Not by Hillary's server, but instead by the secure email servers in the White House.

I think at the end of the day, the State Department was very sloppy with how it handled emails. I also bet the problem is more widespread than we think; You know this is a problem in Congress too.

With violations into classified information.... It all boils down to intent and damage. There was no bad intention, and there was no damage done.

Counterfeit money does not get deposited into a bank. It might make it into the deposit bag but you can guarantee it won't be added to anyone's balance. That's why you see stores using that pen to check even your 10's and 20's these days. They are on the hook for that funny money.

Here's my proof of someone being charged with exactly what Hillary did so where's your cashier accepting funny money proof?
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-standard.html

bronco67 · 07-05-2016, 06:07 PM

Republicans had their dicks out ready to splooge all over themselves.

No orgasm.

Hillary Clinton was going to jail for.....sending emails? It's so fucking funny that they're so fucking stupid. You're not going to get the White House by eliminating the competition. Why not have something to offer the people instead of tax cuts for your rich butt buddies?

bronco67 · 07-05-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

this link is why hilary will lose. libs who live in safe spaces... dont click it.

The first thing you need to do to even approach being thought of as a smart person is to stop getting your information from conservative sludge tanks. You're too fucking dumb to know how dumb you are.

GFED · 07-05-2016, 06:24 PM

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Why not have something to offer the people instead of tax cuts for your rich butt buddies?

2015 was a record year for Merger & Acquisitions and stock buybacks. Many companies moving overseas to avoid US taxes. Our economy is failing.

Bladewire · 07-05-2016, 06:27 PM

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2015 was a record year for Merger & Acquisitions and stock buybacks. Many companies moving overseas to avoid US taxes. Our economy is failing.

They'll be back. The world is generally more unstable than the U.S.

jsmih · 07-05-2016, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Right, she's still guilty even thought the FBI & DOJ have investigated for a year and say she's innocent. It's a conspiracy of corruption!

They didn't say she was "innocent", they said that they didn't think there was enough evidence of intent for a prosecutor to bring a successful prosecution.

ilnjscb · 07-05-2016, 07:50 PM

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Evidently the first day of the GOP convention this Trump RICO court hearing thing is happening:

Judge sets Trump RICO hearing for first day of GOP convention

"U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel issued an order Monday setting the July 18 hearing on a move by Trump's lawyers to toss out the Cohen v. Trump case. The judge also plans to take up other motions, including one asking that the case be stripped of its class-action status.

Read more: Judge sets Trump University hearing for first day of GOP convention - POLITICO
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook"

ilnjscb · 07-05-2016, 08:02 PM

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hello. after reading a number of your posts now, i see you are thoughtful & openminded, & you tend not to offend. thats cool.

but when you say things like hilary is up 6 right now...not sure why thats relevant to you. polls are well known to be irrelevent months outside the election. there is a known bias by the people who both take the polls, & report them. its not a secret bias. so why bring up numbers that are fudged & will change.

trump was up 2 a few weeks back. but was he really? will hillary win by 6? will events happen in the future that can effect the outcome?

its so easy to forecast. polls will have clinton in the lead, all season long, until the debates are done. then the polls magically tighten & become too close to call come election. of course, hilary will always be leading. just by 3 points instead of 10 points.

then she will lose because the media totally covered up the energy-in-turnout gap. polls dont seem to get turnout very well. at least, when the liberal media takes sides in the game. they wont tell about the secret trump vote. rich people, hollywood types, corporate suits that have to appear to support hilary.

Thanks. I certainly try not to offend; I'm here to learn and potentially do business. I agree with you that polls are not very predictive at this stage. I also agree that Trump is a stronger opponent than he appears to be, I have said so often.

However, he is fighting against a democrat electoral advantage, a seasoned campaigner with fanatical establishment support, lack of support from minorities, and a disorganized and fractured base. He needs record votes and turnout from his demographic.

While I agree that idiot "go team" liberals have taken PC way too far, I don't agree that Clinton is anything but a centrist democrat. Centrists are good for stability. Right now I personally see Trump behind 10%, using my flawed and limited predictive ability. That may change, of course, but the ball is in Trump's court and he needs to win a few games.

Paul Markham · 07-06-2016, 01:32 AM

Get used to this. You now face the next four years of muckraking, innuendo and investigations into nothing.

What's the odds some Reblidimwit asks for proof Hillary's a woman?

nico-t · 07-06-2016, 02:28 AM

Bladewire · 07-06-2016, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

"U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel issued an order Monday setting the July 18 hearing on a move by Trump's lawyers to toss out the Cohen v. Trump case. The judge also plans to take up other motions, including one asking that the case be stripped of its class-action status.

Read more: Judge sets Trump University hearing for first day of GOP convention - POLITICO
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook"

Bladewire · 07-06-2016, 05:34 AM

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Get used to this. You now face the next four years of muckraking, innuendo and investigations into nothing.

They've done it the last 2 years over Benghazi, and the last year over emails.

Unfortunately for Americans it's a loud wakeup call to another wave of GOP abuse of power stressing various American government systems, and the American psyche, to strongarm us into see the Democrat nominee as inferior to the unstable Trump.

Clinton's Trustworthy numbers can't go any lowers and its 100% due to two investigations that ended in a clean bill of health for their opponent. Disgusting

Joshua G · 07-06-2016, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GFED

Who sets up their own email server anyways? Is this something others do? I still don't understand why she would have a private server instead of using a gmail account or whatever she was suppose to use.

so she can write "personal" emails to foreign criminals to take their cash for help from the state dept. its well documented in the book clinton cash.

with a gmail, google would still have the emails, even when she deletes them. with a private server, SHE is the admin, & she can delete whatever emails she wants, with no backups or traces to find.

& comey confirmed, she wiped out some emails so clean the FBI could only recover fragments. its this space where hilarys crimes were committed, then concealed.

it was totally illegal. but the system is rigged. Its also rigged for billionaires who make buildings in NY...the donald has paid out small fortunes to both parties to rig things to his benefit.

it iss odd that a big donor & beneficiary of the crooked game is now its biggest opponent. its a scary prospect but a possible one, that trumps entire vision is a fraud. i mean, he wont release his taxes so the public can see how the taxes are rigged so he doesnt pay any.

HowlingWulf · 07-06-2016, 06:33 AM

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& comey confirmed, she wiped out some emails so clean the FBI could only recover fragments. its this space where hilarys crimes were committed, then concealed.

I don't follow this logic.

Hillary deletes old emails -> crimes have been committed!
Everyone else deletes old emails -> no big deal. We all do it.

Also, gmail does not keep deleted emails forever. Roughly 60 days on main server and 180 days on backups.

Bladewire · 07-06-2016, 06:48 AM

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I don't follow this logic.

Hillary deletes old emails -> crimes have been committed!
Everyone else deletes old emails -> no big deal. We all do it.

Also, gmail does not keep deleted emails forever. Roughly 60 days on main server and 180 days on backups.

It's not about logic with him & is fake nicks.

It's about an obsession that Hillary is evil & anything/anyone that doesn't fit that narrative, or agree with it, is corrupt, part of the conspiracy, evil or stupid.

plaster · 07-11-2016, 10:09 AM

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He is going to drill the "corruption" angle even further. It's only going to help him and next major polls will reflect it. Not the current polls at 4 points down, the polls in about a week that will show him ahead.

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

plaster · 07-13-2016, 12:22 PM

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http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-three-weeks/

nico-t · 07-13-2016, 12:44 PM

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Bladewire · 07-13-2016, 03:57 PM

Pure and innocent God bless her soul

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