New EU plan: provoke war with Russia. Most ridiculous fantasy propaganda campaign I have ever seen.

[nico-t]

The EU, NATO and its puppets have lost their minds: One day they got the idea to completely fabricate a new enemy - while Europe keeps being invaded by millions of migrants and periodically gets suicide bombed by ISIS members who walk among them.

Since the above invasion is all part of the EU plan, they thought 'hey, lets divert the attention of the sheep and fabricate something out of thin air'.

The result is the most desperate attempt to claim something that is 100% false I have ever seen, since the fabricated Iraq WMD fantasy by the US. It's even worse than that - at least the US held a "convincing" presentation with pretty circles around buildings and trucks. The EU doesn't even take that effort to illustrate their lie, they just lie, like we are used to now from them.

This is a great opportunity for folks in Europe to watch the propaganda spread throughout our media. I already said it here a few months ago that I noticed our state media all of a sudden started indirectly fake "worrying" about Russia towards Europe. I thought back then 'what the fuck are they talking about?' and could already see this was the start of a propaganda campaign against Russia.

Since then, NATO deployed soldiers along the border with Russia to provoke, as well as to spread through media that 'we have to be prepared'. For what? Nothing in reality, but for their lie it is an effective move to let the sleeping masses get used to this lie.

And yesterday the Dutch prime minister did his bit for his rulers: He tweeted:
"At NATO-top also talks about relations with Russia. Besides scaring them off it is important to keep dialogue with Russia."

What. The. Fuck. Our spineless traitor must have a gaping asshole from all the EU hands up there. Aside from the preposterous fact that no NATO army is ever gonna scare off the Russians, which is not the point right now, it is so fucking obvious they are trying to make the people believe Russia is an enemy. Plus they have blatantly said that Russia is a "threat". But look at this objectively: Who deployed their army to the border? What if we in Holland were minding our own business and all of a sudden the German army has surrounded our borders? Who is threatening who here?

This shit is all so obvious. It's so desperate and plain stupid; I think (and hope) they really have underestimated the people's intelligence, because any moron can see this is all one big farce. I for one cannot look at this and not be highly annoyed. It is a fucking insult to our intelligence.

This is the EU. Do you now understand the UK didn't want anything to do with them? Do you now understand Holland voted NO for EU law back in 2005 (a vote which got ignored, because the EU doesn't do democracy)?

Sickening!

[crockett]

Why don't all you conspiracy theory nut jobs go play somewhere else.. There is just far too many of you fake nicks to troll..

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why don't all you conspiracy theory nut jobs go play somewhere else.. There is just far too many of you fake nicks to troll..

Conspiracy theory? WTF are you talking about? Is stating facts now reduced to a 'conspiracy theory'? Wow.

[GFED]

Hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=s-67RNF6cPE

[Barry-xlovecam]

Why would Europe and Russia ever go to war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...volving_Russia
List of wars involving Russia^

[crockett]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Conspiracy theory? WTF are you talking about? Is stating facts now reduced to a 'conspiracy theory'? Wow.

So much facts you can't even provide a source! Must be Fox Facts or Alex Jones....

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Why would Europe and Russia ever go to war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...volving_Russia
List of wars involving Russia^

"Why would Europe and Russia ever go to war"
If the EU (not Europe) keeps provoking them, eventually they have to react but it is not gonna happen since the EU is only doing this to divert our attention from the mess here.

And congrats on your wikipedia copy and paste. What is your point? 'That Russia will go to war with everyone?'
They are not stupid. They will NEVER go to war with the EU and vice versa. Have you even read my post or are you here to repeat the idea that has been planted in your head?

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why don't all you conspiracy theory nut jobs go play somewhere else.. There is just far too many of you fake nicks to troll..

They all should go on a cruise using Donny's house boat

[crockett]

Also dumb shit the only country who has recently invaded another country in Europe is Russia.. oh yea poor Russia the victim...

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by crockett

So much facts you can't even provide a source! Must be Fox Facts or Alex Jones....

What's there to prove? I have to prove the lie from the EU that Russia is a "threat"? It's a lie you idiot, how the fuck can you prove something that is fabricated

It's like you're asking for proof Russia is innocent, instead of proof that they are a "threat", as claimed by the EU and NATO, while threatening them. It can't get any more crazy than this!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

They all should go on a cruise using Donny's house boat

It sank too close to the dock, they wouldn't get far enough away from the shore.

[celandina]

I do rarely but this time I agree with Nico , we should court Russia to help us with ISIS etc... not allienate her. The old motto " an enemy of my enemy is my friend" should prevail. I would also add into that equation the current Egyptian preident and Bashir Al Assad of Syria

[nico-t]

NATO Can Reduce the Threat of Escalation With Russia - Bloomberg View
Is Bloomberg a good enough source for you? Quote:

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization summit starting in Warsaw on Friday will probably lead to increased -- and unnecessary -- tension between NATO and Russia. "

"The most imminent threat to NATO countries today has little to do with Russia. Rather, it’s instability in the Middle East -- the chaos that has created the refugee crisis and spawned well-funded human-trafficking networks. This threat is killing people right now, in Syria and Iraq but also in the West, in terrorist attacks and in leaky boats on the Aegean Sea. Yet NATO is doing little to counter these threats. As an organization, it is not involved in operations against Islamic State, and though it’s dispatched a maritime force to the Aegean, it’s not playing a particularly active role there. "

Wow, exactly as I said... Bloomberg is probably a conspiracy theorist site.
Now seriously, i find it hopeful that media like Bloomberg is not spreading the propaganda but actually states facts, just like i just did in my OP. Doesn't happen very often anymore in mainstream media.

[nico-t]

Hacked Emails Confirm NATO Push To Provoke, Escalate Conflict With Russia | Zero Hedge

[klinton]

unfortunately something like 70 % of population of my country believes in that shit.
well, I may understand their phoby of Russians as in history Russia was the country that was usually enemy.
however, you would have to be stupid to believe that either Russia or Europe or NATO will have a war between them and there is any threat either from Russia or NATO...
such war would devastate everything that we have and I see no profits from it at all for NOONE. (maybe except the third parties, like China ? )
However, showing the boogeyman to scare population is the great tactic to have more money spent on military and more money flowing through the hands of corrupted politicians.
I dont see though how it is connected with EU. if there would be no EU, there would be other elites, who would be lying, scamming, and fearmongering its nations to get more power and money. So I dont see how it is EU fault... Elites's fault and propaganda ? yes.
EU's fault ? not really. rather Elites' fault and shadow governments' of influential people ;-)

Originally Posted by nico-t

I think (and hope) they really have underestimated the people's intelligence, because any moron can see this is all one big farce. I for one cannot look at this and not be highly annoyed. It is a fucking insult to our intelligence.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by crockett

Also dumb shit the only country who has recently invaded another country in Europe is Russia.. oh yea poor Russia the victim...

not the point idiot. Is that Bloomberg author also a dumb shit according to the wise crockett? You just made a complete fool out of yourself.

[Barry-xlovecam]

My point is very fucking simple -- Europe and Russia have been at war on and off for 600 years.

Fuck your sound byte bullshit.

In recent history;
WW2
East Germany
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Poland (almost)
Crimea (?)
Ukraine (?)

If Russia had not annexed Crimea NATO would not be marching around saber rattling. So, the Russians feel compelled to saber rattle too
That is most likely why there are sound byte accusations coming from Western Media and Russian media -- don't get your panties in a reactionary bunch. I grew up hiding in school basements from the Soviet nuclear attack that never came. The UK and France have nuclear weapons as well as the Russians do -- it's a stalemate. WTF is the difference how many times you can incinerate the enemy?

[klinton]

what is even funnier and scarier is the fact that actually NATO's policies lead to it. directly and undirectly. and now they are talking about "fighting ISIS and terrorism". how big hipocryte you have to be to behave like that ? I guess that after you become politician you gain that ability ;-)))
Libya, Iraq and now attempts on Assad in Syria since 5 years. whole countries ruined and devastated....and now they talk about "democracy". it makes me sick.
what is even funnier that Libya during the Gaddafi had level of development similar to some European countries....yet, there was no democracy, I agree. Now the democracy over there is liquid,fluid and direct - usually being ran on Toyota pickups with machine guns mounted on it.

Originally Posted by nico-t

"The most imminent threat to NATO countries today has little to do with Russia. Rather, it?s instability in the Middle East -- the chaos that has created the refugee crisis and spawned well-funded human-trafficking networks. This threat is killing people right now, in Syria and Iraq but also in the West, in terrorist attacks and in leaky boats on the Aegean Sea. Yet NATO is doing little to counter these threats. As an organization, it is not involved in operations against Islamic State, and though it?s dispatched a maritime force to the Aegean, it?s not playing a particularly active role there. "

[klinton]

judging by the fact that something like 85 % of population in crimea actually supports being part of the Russia, they speak Russian and feel Russian... I would have another solution for Russians: they should wait patiently, as "legally elected with molotov cocktails" ukrainian government would mount NATO base over there in next 10 years
hah, I guess that Russians would get sympathy of the whole world's media by doing that. maybe even some funny photos with Putin, just like Boris Yeltsyn had while being always drunk. good Russian, good doggy !

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

If Russia had not annexed Crimea NATO would not be marching around saber rattling. So, the Russians feel compelled to saber rattle too
.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by nico-t

The EU, NATO and its puppets have lost their minds: One day they got the idea to completely fabricate a new enemy - while Europe keeps being invaded by millions of migrants and periodically gets suicide bombed by ISIS members who walk among them.

Since the above invasion is all part of the EU plan, they thought 'hey, lets divert the attention of the sheep and fabricate something out of thin air'.

The result is the most desperate attempt to claim something that is 100% false I have ever seen, since the fabricated Iraq WMD fantasy by the US. It's even worse than that - at least the US held a "convincing" presentation with pretty circles around buildings and trucks. The EU doesn't even take that effort to illustrate their lie, they just lie, like we are used to now from them.

This is a great opportunity for folks in Europe to watch the propaganda spread throughout our media. I already said it here a few months ago that I noticed our state media all of a sudden started indirectly fake "worrying" about Russia towards Europe. I thought back then 'what the fuck are they talking about?' and could already see this was the start of a propaganda campaign against Russia.

Since then, NATO deployed soldiers along the border with Russia to provoke, as well as to spread through media that 'we have to be prepared'. For what? Nothing in reality, but for their lie it is an effective move to let the sleeping masses get used to this lie.

And yesterday the Dutch prime minister did his bit for his rulers: He tweeted:
"At NATO-top also talks about relations with Russia. Besides scaring them off it is important to keep dialogue with Russia."

What. The. Fuck. Our spineless traitor must have a gaping asshole from all the EU hands up there. Aside from the preposterous fact that no NATO army is ever gonna scare off the Russians, which is not the point right now, it is so fucking obvious they are trying to make the people believe Russia is an enemy. Plus they have blatantly said that Russia is a "threat". But look at this objectively: Who deployed their army to the border? What if we in Holland were minding our own business and all of a sudden the German army has surrounded our borders? Who is threatening who here?

This shit is all so obvious. It's so desperate and plain stupid; I think (and hope) they really have underestimated the people's intelligence, because any moron can see this is all one big farce. I for one cannot look at this and not be highly annoyed. It is a fucking insult to our intelligence.

This is the EU. Do you now understand the UK didn't want anything to do with them? Do you now understand Holland voted NO for EU law back in 2005 (a vote which got ignored, because the EU doesn't do democracy)?

Sickening!

Most ridiculous thing is NATO talking about Russian attacking Crimea (yet there were no violence or destruction) when NATO introduced new rules of attacking countries back in 1999. Attacking without approval of UN council was the most dangerous thing to do (Serbia and occupation of Kosovo). But they did it, and showed way of thinking and what other people can expect in the future. I guess there was no one there at that time to stop them and they showed real face.

But what is done is done long ago. Even worse is that most of people accept that crap you are talking about. Population (it is irrelevant in what country they are) is stupid. People controlling medias knows that very well. Just repeat crap enough times and it will become truth. And that is very dangerous too, just like that in in first paragraph. Still, many are stupid to understand why.

[klinton]

btw. i just discovered today that Albania is NATO member since few years.... hahahah

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Most ridiculous thing is NATO talking about Russian attacking Crimea (yet there were no violence or destruction) when NATO introduced new rules of attacking countries back in 1999. Attacking without approval of UN council was the most dangerous thing to do (Serbia and occupation of Kosovo). But they did it, and showed way of thinking and what other people can expect in the future. I guess there was no one there at that time to stop them and they showed real face.

But what is done is done long ago. Even worse is that most of people accept that crap you are talking about. Population (it is irrelevant in what country they are) is stupid. People controlling medias knows that very well. Just repeat crap enough times and it will become truth. And that is very dangerous too, just like that in in first paragraph. Still, many are stupid to understand why.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Most ridiculous thing is NATO talking about Russian attacking Crimea (yet there were no violence or destruction) when NATO introduced new rules of attacking countries back in 1999. Attacking without approval of UN council was the most dangerous thing to do (Serbia and occupation of Kosovo). But they did it, and showed way of thinking and what other people can expect in the future. I guess there was no one there at that time to stop them and they showed real face.

But what is done is done long ago. Even worse is that most of people accept that crap you are talking about. Population (it is irrelevant in what country they are) is stupid. People controlling medias knows that very well. Just repeat crap enough times and it will become truth. And that is very dangerous too, just like that in in first paragraph. Still, many are stupid to understand why.

Why do you keep repeating this non sense of no violence. It wasn't just Crimea. It's was Ukraine as well.

Russian armed rebels shot down a civilian airliner and shit loads of people on both sides died. Russia was most certainly the agressor and now NATO countries want more security aginst Russia for that very agression..

Oh but of course if we were to believe Putin it was just Russian soldiers on vacation in their tanks in another country.. totally legit.. blame NATO!

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

They all should go on a cruise using Donny's house boat

see sig ...

[klinton]

its very wise to allow civilian planes fly over conflict zones, especially if you know that both sides have anti aircraft weapons

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do you keep repeating this non sense of no violence. It wasn't just Crimea. It's was Ukraine as well.

Russian armed rebels shot down a civilian airliner and shit loads of people on both sides died. Russia was most certainly the agressor and now NATO countries want more security aginst Russia for that very agression..

Oh but of course if we were to believe Putin it was just Russian soldiers on vacation in their tanks in another country.. totally legit.. blame NATO!

[klinton]

east of Ukraine speaks Russian. east of Ukraine always voted for Yanukovych that got violently overthrowed. east of Ukraine fought with Nazis during the second war two, west of ukraine supported Nazis during WWII and many of "ukrainian fighters" were well known for its brutality and cruelty while being in SS. so here is the background.
I wouldnt say that what happened over there - in eastern ukraine was because of "russian agression". I'm not even sure if that conflict started only with a help of FSB advisors from Russia. maybe there was some strong local mood that later got exploited by Russians ?

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do you keep repeating this non sense of no violence. It wasn't just Crimea. It's was Ukraine as well.

Russian armed rebels shot down a civilian airliner and shit loads of people on both sides died. Russia was most certainly the agressor and now NATO countries want more security aginst Russia for that very agression..

Oh but of course if we were to believe Putin it was just Russian soldiers on vacation in their tanks in another country.. totally legit.. blame NATO!

[Barry-xlovecam]

The SOVIET Occupation of the Baltic states. They were welcomed with open arms too?
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Look it up

The Imperial Russia took possession of Crimea by force violating the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca (1774)
the Czars then Stalin deported the Crimean Tartars Look it up!
Khrushchev decides to give the Crimea to his countrymen of the Ukraine SSR
Putin takes it back by force (involuntary annexation)
Putin then holds 'free' elections (after the opposition flees).


Maybe, the USA should invade Ontario and after the Canadians that want to flee west and north do so -- hold 'free' elections. maybe 51% of those that decide to stay will vote for the annexation. But wait, first we need to resettle millions of US citizens in the Canadian lands we take before the vote -- got to guarantee a win. SAME SHIT.

You OK with that?

Crimea was 20% populated by Crimean Tartars who we forcibly deported by Stalin. As usual ethnic Russians migrated to 'balance' the population in favor of the Soviet state's policies and agenda. Ethic Greeks and Bulgarians were also deported from the Crimean Peninsula at the same time.

“If you're explaining, you're losing.” ― Ronald Reagan, He's probably right right -- I am beating on a boulder with a baseball bat.

Reactionaries are illogical. They are uneducated and listen to youtube CT stories and propaganda from all sides -- then weigh the false evidence favoring their own prejudices and learned empirical evidence -- like I said "like beating on a rock"

And this is why NATO and the Russia are doing a war dance ... they are reactionaries and opportunists. Mainly they are reacting out of fear but more importantly probably need to distract their respective populations from their own domestic issues -- the usual reason governments do this saber rattling dance and starting the occasional war. The merchants of death make fortunes this way off reactionary fools

[Struggle4Bucks]

Yeah... Russia flying over European territories fully bomb-packed is not a threat at all, right?
Russians ignoring West and taking Crimea... not a threat at all, right?
Russians ignoring West and changing powerbalance in Syria... not a threat at all, right?

Sure, not a military threat today... that's what naive western crying gold babies can only figure out today... lacking the deeper meaning of what is showned here:

Russians showing ambitions in Geo-politics and slowly pushing forward...
What will be the same tomorrow will be totally different in 20 years...

What Americans understand and Europeans not:

Pre-emptive actions: The slightest threat popping up to American home-security is attacked right at the root when it's still killable...

Europeans: still in a very deep naive wintersleep...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by nico-t

not the point idiot. Is that Bloomberg author also a dumb shit according to the wise crockett? You just made a complete fool out of yourself.

Sure thing moon boy..

[Relic]

The degree of recklessness is outlandish.

[klinton]

LOL, just LOL. thanks to your "powerbalance" the country is ruined since 2011.
powerbalance, lol. done by hands of NATO proxies and Qatar businessmen.lol

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Russians ignoring West and changing powerbalance in Syria... not a threat at all, right?:

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Crockett, you are right, Russians is very aggressive...plz see map of Ukraina under aggressor since 1654



Can you show the map of Ireland after frendship with UK? What,s about North Ireland? No any sanctions?

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by klinton

LOL, just LOL. thanks to your "powerbalance" the country is ruined since 2011.
powerbalance, lol. done by hands of NATO proxies and Qatar businessmen.lol

That's not the point here... are you simple or what? We are not discussing the moral aspects of the Syrian situation or the Syrian situation at all... The point was: the Russians are stepping forward on the stage of geo-politics while simply ignoring the West... and still some people would not see Russia as a threat...

Please take your ritalin... helps you staying focussed on the core-subject...

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Yeah... Russia flying over European territories fully bomb-packed is not a threat at all, right?
Russians ignoring West and taking Crimea... not a threat at all, right?
Russians ignoring West and changing powerbalance in Syria... not a threat at all, right?

Sure, not a military threat today... that's what naive western crying gold babies can only figure out today... lacking the deeper meaning of what is showned here:

Russians showing ambitions in Geo-politics and slowly pushing forward...
What will be the same tomorrow will be totally different in 20 years...

What Americans understand and Europeans not:

Pre-emptive actions: The slightest threat popping up to American home-security is attacked right at the root when it's still killable...

Europeans: still in a very deep naive wintersleep...

Holy shit, it's like i hear state TV You are wrong on so many levels, im not even gonna address it. I already wrote my essay for today in my opening post

[Sednub997]

Russian can control anyone so thats the reason starting war with them

[klinton]

sure, the world is much better and safer place when one hegemon can invade whatever he wants
I dont take ritalin, only (occasional) drink here and there

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

the Russians are stepping forward on the stage of geo-politics while simply ignoring the West... and still some people would not see Russia as a threat...

Please take your ritalin... helps you staying focussed on the core-subject...

[klinton]

i love your posts !
you are one of the few nicks on this board that basically its impossible to understand your posts.
what the fuck you wanted to say ?

Originally Posted by Sednub997

Russian can control anyone so thats the reason starting war with them

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Holy shit, it's like i hear state TV You are wrong on so many levels, im not even gonna address it. I already wrote my essay for today in my opening post

Yeah well... what can I say??? So because it's on state television that Russian war-planes are flying into "our" territory doesn't make it a threat? Only because it's on state television??? Is that what you are trying to say?

I don't watch television... so also no state news... I don't even have a fucking television...
People who own televisions and having acces to mainstream television programs are suspicious to me... I'm reading essays from historians, economists and political scientists to draw my own conclusions... If that sometimes shows similarity with what state television displays... yeah... well... doesn't make me a brainwashed person...

War is like a product... you need to market it to the people first to start one... Doesn't say anything about the legitimacy of the war...

[Hannes]

its actually pathetic if you ask me, the leader of our state are lying to its own people... disgusting

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

War is like a product... you need to market it to the people first to start one... Doesn't say anything about the legitimacy of the war...

QFT
Saber rattling dances are good war marketing so is demonizing the adversary or belittling his god as compared to your god who is the real god - the 1.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by klinton

east of Ukraine speaks Russian. east of Ukraine always voted for Yanukovych that got violently overthrowed. east of Ukraine fought with Nazis during the second war two, west of ukraine supported Nazis during WWII and many of "ukrainian fighters" were well known for its brutality and cruelty while being in SS. so here is the background.
I wouldnt say that what happened over there - in eastern ukraine was because of "russian agression". I'm not even sure if that conflict started only with a help of FSB advisors from Russia. maybe there was some strong local mood that later got exploited by Russians ?

It doesn't matter what they speak.. Russia invaded another country's boarders and took land that was not theirs. END of Story. Russia was the aggressor and not NATO. Now NATO countries will improve their defenses because of Russia's aggression..

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by nico-t

The EU, NATO and its puppets have lost their minds: One day they got the idea to completely fabricate a new enemy - while Europe keeps being invaded by millions of migrants and periodically gets suicide bombed by ISIS members who walk among them.

Since the above invasion is all part of the EU plan, they thought 'hey, lets divert the attention of the sheep and fabricate something out of thin air'.

The result is the most desperate attempt to claim something that is 100% false I have ever seen, since the fabricated Iraq WMD fantasy by the US. It's even worse than that - at least the US held a "convincing" presentation with pretty circles around buildings and trucks. The EU doesn't even take that effort to illustrate their lie, they just lie, like we are used to now from them.

This is a great opportunity for folks in Europe to watch the propaganda spread throughout our media. I already said it here a few months ago that I noticed our state media all of a sudden started indirectly fake "worrying" about Russia towards Europe. I thought back then 'what the fuck are they talking about?' and could already see this was the start of a propaganda campaign against Russia.

Since then, NATO deployed soldiers along the border with Russia to provoke, as well as to spread through media that 'we have to be prepared'. For what? Nothing in reality, but for their lie it is an effective move to let the sleeping masses get used to this lie.

And yesterday the Dutch prime minister did his bit for his rulers: He tweeted:
"At NATO-top also talks about relations with Russia. Besides scaring them off it is important to keep dialogue with Russia."

What. The. Fuck. Our spineless traitor must have a gaping asshole from all the EU hands up there. Aside from the preposterous fact that no NATO army is ever gonna scare off the Russians, which is not the point right now, it is so fucking obvious they are trying to make the people believe Russia is an enemy. Plus they have blatantly said that Russia is a "threat". But look at this objectively: Who deployed their army to the border? What if we in Holland were minding our own business and all of a sudden the German army has surrounded our borders? Who is threatening who here?

This shit is all so obvious. It's so desperate and plain stupid; I think (and hope) they really have underestimated the people's intelligence, because any moron can see this is all one big farce. I for one cannot look at this and not be highly annoyed. It is a fucking insult to our intelligence.

This is the EU. Do you now understand the UK didn't want anything to do with them? Do you now understand Holland voted NO for EU law back in 2005 (a vote which got ignored, because the EU doesn't do democracy)?

Sickening!

Very well explained nico-t!

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by crockett

It doesn't matter what they speak.. Russia invaded another country's boarders and took land that was not theirs. END of Story. Russia was the aggressor and not NATO. Now NATO countries will improve their defenses because of Russia's aggression..

The West were doing a surprise coup nextdoor to a world superpower, Russia had every right to protect their interests, if anything, one would have expected more

[clickity click]

https://www.rt.com/news/350462-nato-...rova-reaction/

[crockett]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The West were doing a surprise coup nextdoor to a world superpower, Russia had every right to protect their interests, if anything, one would have expected more

Its funny, when the people wanted to leave Russia's influence and go toward the west it's a western coup..

Meanwhile when part of the people want to join Russia then it's "the people's right" and Russia the saviors...

It's always Russia =good and right
West = evil bad guys With you..

No matter what it is..

[Paul Markham]

The EU is a body of mostly unelected bureaucrats and career politicians. Even those who get elected do so by a small percentage of the population.

The EU has to find work for the 10,000s of paper pushers or the complaints about the money they cost will get louder, not that it will stop them.

All the EU has is a trade agreement. They threaten to make the EU poorer should a country decide to leave. If the EU slows down trade with the UK, the EU will lose jobs and an already floundering economy will flounder more.

And that's why Europeans have to vote for anti-EU politicians. To break the EU which was created undemocratically and go back to a single trading agreement.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do you keep repeating this non sense of no violence. It wasn't just Crimea. It's was Ukraine as well.

Russian armed rebels shot down a civilian airliner and shit loads of people on both sides died. Russia was most certainly the agressor and now NATO countries want more security aginst Russia for that very agression..

Oh but of course if we were to believe Putin it was just Russian soldiers on vacation in their tanks in another country.. totally legit.. blame NATO!

Probably because it is not nonsense and because it is not Ukraine as well. If Russians attacked Ukraine,you would hear about it just as you hear how they are bombing western supported terrorist in Syria (not sure how well you know the map, but it is much more far than Ukraine). If they were into the invasion and war, 5hey could take Ukraine in the mater of few days. All those Nazis worshippers would run away and good % of the population would welcome them. Luckily, Russians are smart enough and they know that there would be no recovery from blood between similar nations. Something that west is trying to provoke for years. They are not stupid to fall in same trap as idiots in Yugoslavia. Current government will go down and some point. They came on power by violence and that is nothing new for Ukraine.

Since you know so well that Russian rebels shot it down, why don't you go public with your 100% evidences? In the name of the justice. Just like you are probably doing while "western" backed armed groups are killing around the world?

Lat nights, parts of Donetsk region was bombed for several hours by Ukrainians trying to provoke reaction. Do you really believe that they would try to bomb Russian army like that if it was there?

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by crockett

It doesn't matter what they speak.. Russia invaded another country's boarders and took land that was not theirs. END of Story. Russia was the aggressor and not NATO. Now NATO countries will improve their defenses because of Russia's aggression..

What about Kosovo, Bosnia, Libya, Iraq....etc? Who did that and and started invading other continents based on fake intel and staged events?

[Paul Markham]

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-policy

The latest draft version of the TTIP agreement could sabotage European efforts to save energy and switch to clean power, according to MEPs.

A 14th round of the troubled negotiations on a Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) free trade deal between the EU and US is due to begin on Monday in Brussels.

But the draft chapter obliges the two trade blocs to: ?foster industry self-regulation of energy efficiency requirements for goods where such self-regulation is likely to deliver the policy objectives faster or in a less costly manner than mandatory requirements?.

Why is the EU sticking its ass in the air to be fucked? https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0003.html

The EU is under pressure for selling to much to the US. So much for the single market.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by nico-t

New EU plan: provoke war with Russia. Most ridiculous fantasy propaganda campaign I have ever seen.

Unfortunately a WWIII will turn into a nuclear termination of planet Earth. Even a small military conflict between Russia and NATO will be ended like that and nobody will survive. Ok, maybe a couple of millions in the subway bomb shelters, but they will envy to those who have died during the nuclear blasts.

Why I'm so sure about it? Just because I know how the system works. The only weapon that Russia has against the US aircraft carrier groups are tactical nuke cruise missiles. Also in case of any conflict the US anti-missile systems in the EU will be also attacked with tactical nuclear warheads. This will trigger a strategic nuclear attack from the States, and course Russia will send its "Satans" to the USA (each one is equal to 1300 Hiroshimas). We both know that those can not be intercepted even in the next 50 years. And even if that won't work, the "Dead Hand" will complete the game. So not just Russia and the the USA will burn in the fire, the whole our planet will die.

[XXXBizXXX]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why don't all you conspiracy theory nut jobs go play somewhere else.. There is just far too many of you fake nicks to troll..

%100 agreed