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Google Expert · 11-17-2016, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Could you sell Paul's shitty content? That there would be the true test.

I'm not sure that I would be able to give it away for free.

Internet Guy · 11-17-2016, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I take issue with that statement and I'll tell you why.

Uber
PayPal
Twitter
Tesla -- Solar City
Amazon
Netflix

These are some examples of 21st Century (contemporary) marketing successes. They all involve a past-time business segment (transportation, retailing, finance,entertainment) where a neglected market segment was secured from the incumbent who had neglected this under served consumer segment. These usurpers captured their neglected market segment initially -- then have scaled out that segment.

Excellent post! Spot on. Many of those industries enjoyed oligopoly style control over their markets, and when you have this - what's the point of innovating (making your service better), they grew complacent and opened big windows for new players

I would add Banks and "Fintech" maybe even Fintech/Crypto Assets, that is an industry which is begging for a shake up - huge profits, dominated by a handful of giants (in my country anyway) - and slow but steadily, they are seeing a new system crop up which is designed not to fight them, but build something new and simply walk around them and their antiquated ways. I just noticed, you actually did write "finance" in there, haha. Posting anyway ;)

ps. twitter hasn't even made a profit yet. Curious if they found somebody to buy the company yet? know they were/are looking.

Barry-xlovecam · 11-17-2016, 11:06 AM

Finance presents special problems because of regulation by many governments.

Twitter got "left at the alter" by all their bidders. Freedom of speech is a problem for publicly traded businesses.

I hope we will be able to do public video journalism on a .cam domain -- everyone can broadcast uncensored content from their smartphone 4G or 5G (when available) or a data network enabled studio cameras -- want to buy an ad

IPO before I die

Steve Rupe · 11-17-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm prompted to write this because of all the threads I see from people who think starting an online porn business/site is easy.

It's the opposite and people should think long and hard about it. This is 2016 and we've had 20+ plus years of online porn.

For a business/site to succeed it has to bring something new and better to the table. Or just shave off a micro-layer from all the others doing the same. Because there are others who have been around for years, successful and have all the elements needed to keep going. Imagine opening a grocery store opposite a Tescos or Ralphs. With products they sell, but far fewer, same price and the same level of service. Will it succeed?

That's the situation every startup porn site faces. Your product has to be different and better than the competitions. How you do that is hard to answer with one rule for all. Because for most people, the solution is beyond their grasp. If it were achievable for all, everyone would do it and we would all be back at square one.

Myfreecam did come up with a new model of camming and made a killing. Then Chaturbate popped up, now there are more and the old model cam sites are dying.

Don't know the first porn Tube, but the same happened. One popped up, then a few more. now there are so many only the top tier make real money.

Same with Teen porn. Barely Legal magazine, then there were 20 in the US.

Girls getting fucked in cars, leg sex, big tits, gonzo, reality, POV, and so on.

The last thing the consumer needs is another site doing what 100s of other sites do.

Nonsense.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

No one does it "the old way" that is the equivalent of opening a VHS rental store. You evolve or you die. Has been that way since the Earth was formed.

Selling "content" has gone the way of the dinosaur, selling "perception" now that is alive and well, Ask Microsoft, Apple, etc, etc, etc. Marketing of any kind is all about perception, people have not bought 250 million George Foreman grills because they are the best thing ever, they bought them because they were marketed well.

If sales were based on "The Best" the Mercedes would be the best selling car in America, not the mediocre Toyota Camery

You've said nothing. We know we have to evolve, I did it for 40 years in porn. The difference between you and I is. Everyone knows what I do, you refuse to show how you earn your living. Those figures could be for sales anywhere.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Could you sell Paul's shitty content? That there would be the true test.

Some do, seems these big mouths can't. Unless I give them everything on a 50/50 split of what they say they took.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2016, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

I'm not sure that I would be able to give it away for free.

I still have customers who can sell it. They must be better at selling porn than you are.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2016, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Internet Guy

Excellent post! Spot on. Many of those industries enjoyed oligopoly style control over their markets, and when you have this - what's the point of innovating (making your service better), they grew complacent and opened big windows for new players

I would add Banks and "Fintech" maybe even Fintech/Crypto Assets, that is an industry which is begging for a shake up - huge profits, dominated by a handful of giants (in my country anyway) - and slow but steadily, they are seeing a new system crop up which is designed not to fight them, but build something new and simply walk around them and their antiquated ways. I just noticed, you actually did write "finance" in there, haha. Posting anyway ;)

ps. twitter hasn't even made a profit yet. Curious if they found somebody to buy the company yet? know they were/are looking.

It was a good post. The flaw in Barry's thinking is none of those businesses has to compete with a parallel service giving the product away for free. A real marketing man would know that.

And there's our problem. Barry now competes with Free Chat sites who have gained their traffic at the expense of his model Cam site. Pre-Recorded porn has been devastated and now a shadow of its previous size. The next to shrink will be dating as users move to apps like Tinder and Grinder which are far better and cheaper than the Match.com model.

Google Expert · 11-17-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I still have customers who can sell it. They must be better at selling porn than you are.

So is it easy to sell average content or is it hard?

Make up your mind already. You seem confused

Barry-xlovecam · 11-17-2016, 02:26 PM

I wasn't talking about porn -- fuck that LOL

I am talking about peeing with the ''big dogs" internet broadcasting with the people sharing the loot.

IPO buddy -- not some small time sleaze.

Top feeding

You are swimming in the muck at the bottom -- I am very tired of that shit. Besides there are less and less fish to eat at the bottom

Paul Markham · 11-17-2016, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

So is it easy to sell average content or is it hard?

Make up your mind already. You seem confused

I never said it was easy. Where did you get that? Same place you get most of your ideas, out of your ass.

All you need to do is show your sites. Then the debate of who's right ends.

Paul Markham · 11-18-2016, 01:11 AM

The biggest problem with people today is their attention span when online. How long does it take for a surfer to become a bounced stat?

So engaging the customer is a priority. whether it's on a Tube with adverts, blogs or sites making the sales. We have seconds in which to say who we are, what we do and what's in it for the surfer. Try doing that with text and you're likely to fail. An image was fine in 2006. 2016 it has to be video. Also it has to load fast because even though ISPs claim 200mbs. At peak viewing times the fastest speed is hard to achieve for you customers.

Here's someone who has it. How many of you adopt this method?

Creating the video takes skills. Essentially marketing skills and video production/editing skills. Which is why it's great for those that can and sucks for the rest.

Paul Markham · 11-18-2016, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I wasn't talking about porn -- fuck that LOL

I am talking about peeing with the ''big dogs" internet broadcasting with the people sharing the loot.

IPO buddy -- not some small time sleaze.

Top feeding

You are swimming in the muck at the bottom -- I am very tired of that shit. Besides there are less and less fish to eat at the bottom

So posting your idea here is a waste of time and an even more ridiculous comparison. Why not approach the big dogs and offer them your services?

Or even launch a camsite that's not dated and mostly French speaking. A small market.

11-18-2016, 01:11 AM	#112
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11-17-2016, 11:06 AM	#103
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Finance presents special problems because of regulation by many governments. Twitter got "left at the alter" by all their bidders. Freedom of speech is a problem for publicly traded businesses. I hope we will be able to do public video journalism on a .cam domain -- everyone can broadcast uncensored content from their smartphone 4G or 5G (when available) or a data network enabled studio cameras -- want to buy an ad IPO before I die

11-17-2016, 02:26 PM	#110
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	I wasn't talking about porn -- fuck that LOL I am talking about peeing with the ''big dogs" internet broadcasting with the people sharing the loot. IPO buddy -- not some small time sleaze. Top feeding You are swimming in the muck at the bottom -- I am very tired of that shit. Besides there are less and less fish to eat at the bottom