Amy Schumer attacks Trump on stage. Gets booed and audience members walk out.

[Coup]

Trump is gonna win Florida

[The Truth Hurts]

saw her a few weeks ago at Mass Mutual center.
she was just starting in on the trump bashing and the crowd reacted poorly which she recognized and quickly changed the subject to a cute hillary story.

[Joshua G]

CNN says its illegal to read this thread...you must read CNN to get your news.

[nico-t]

Schumer is just another libster idiot / brainwashed puppet.

[CurrentlySober]

i cunt a4d an Amy Schumer...

[plaster]

And out of all people that liked to talk about her pussy I thought she would have a better angle for trump.

[Rochard]

Trump supporters are so thin skinned.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Trump supporters are so thin skinned.

It's not about being thinned skinned, it's about a complete rejection of an ideology that holds the average american in angry contempt. People can take a joke. What people won't do is be hatefully attacked and insulted continuously for everything single value that's deeply important to them.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Trump supporters are so thin skinned.

Agreed.

Here's the thing: Amy is a comedian. She makes jokes and makes fun of people for a living. You and I are extremely lucky that we live in countries where making fun of politicians and even the Presidents & Prime Ministers are allowed and even welcomed.

Donald Trump (and his fans) are nothing but big giant pussies. Trump is such a pussy that he has called for SNL to be canceled Donald Trump thinks SNL is rigging the election and should be canceled - Oct. 16, 2016

Talk about a thin-skinned cry-baby.

Amy Schumer tickets are very expensive, ranging from $68.00 for the shitty seats, to $366 for seats (which are still row Z: Centre Bell Montreal - Bell Centre Tickets Available from OnlineCityTickets.com). If I went to her show and she made fun of someone I respect or think the world of, I would laugh if I thought the joke was funny. The last thing I would do is walk out.

Trumpers: We get it, you love your boy Trump, regardless of what he says, what he does, and is complete lack of any basic skills required for the job. But now you're going to be so blinded by your perceived awesomeness of him that you now can't even take a joke? Pathetic.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Trump supporters are so thin skinned.

If she was funny it wouldn't be a problem

[Coup]

What you are too dense to understand is that people aren't rallying around trump because he's a great leader. They rally around him because he's the only candidate willing to stand up and tell the liberal hate machine to fuck off. It is you, and those of your ilk that are the prime motivating factor driving people into Trump's arms. Continue on with your hate of middle Americans at your own peril.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by **********

Agreed.

Here's the thing: Amy is a comedian.

The second video I posted proves this to be untrue. That isn't a comedian. That is a woman standing there to insult her tampa bay audience.

Originally Posted by **********

Amy Schumer tickets are very expensive, ranging from $68.00 for the shitty seats, to $366 for seats (which are still row Z: Centre Bell Montreal - Bell Centre Tickets Available from OnlineCityTickets.com). If I went to her show and she made fun of someone I respect or think the world of, I would laugh if I thought the joke was funny. The last thing I would do is walk out.

The money is what makes walking out all the more of a powerful statement. They paid good money to be entertained and was only met with hostility. Funny stuff, that.

[BaldBastard]

OMG did you see that 99% of them walked out!

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Coup

What you are too dense to understand is that people aren't rallying around trump because he's a great leader. They rally around him because he's the only candidate willing to stand up and tell the liberal hate machine to fuck off.

Well actually, he says a hell of alot more than that, and that is the problem. On a side note, just what is the "Liberal hate machine"?

[poncabare]

who cares what she thinks

[Coup]

Originally Posted by **********

Well actually, he says a hell of alot more than that, and that is the problem. On a side note, just what is the "Liberal hate machine"?

I would define it as the collective effort of Political and Media (Stand-up comedy included) left leaning establishment to harangue, insult, and ridicule the values and beliefs of the working class with the expressed goal to deny and remove the right to those values and beliefs.

This Amy Schumer video being a perfect example of that.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

OMG did you see that 99% of them walked out!

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Coup

I would define it as the collective effort of Political and Media (Stand-up comedy included) left leaning establishment to harangue, insult, and ridicule the values and beliefs of the working class with the expressed goal to deny and remove the right to those values and beliefs.

This Amy Schumer video being a perfect example of that.

The values and beliefs of the working class:

1. Women should shut the fuck up.
2. Any minorities can go fuck themselves.
3. You must believe in the Christian God or you can go fuck yourself.
4. You must support your Gov't blindly, no matter what it does or who it harms (as long as it's not YOU).
5. Blame anyone and everything for your own unhappiness.
6. Spend what little money you do have on cheap crap from China while complaining you never have enough money.
7. You must hate and fear "foreigners", black people, Latinos, Asians and Arabs (Jews too).

About sum it up?

[Coup]

Originally Posted by Coup

What you are too dense to understand is that people aren't rallying around trump because he's a great leader. They rally around him because he's the only candidate willing to stand up and tell the liberal hate machine to fuck off. It is you, and those of your ilk that are the prime motivating factor driving people into Trump's arms. Continue on with your hate of middle Americans at your own peril.

And for any of you that doubt this to be true, listen to the man on that stage as he begins to walk off. "I'm not voting for Trump, I'm voting against Hillary." Half of this country is fed up with this type of shit and I can't, quite frankly, blame them.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The values and beliefs of the working class:

1. Women should shut the fuck up.
2. Any minorities can go fuck themselves.
3. You must believe in the Christian God or you can go fuck yourself.
4. You must support your Gov't blindly, no matter what it does or who it harms (as long as it's not YOU).
5. Blame anyone and everything for your own unhappiness.
6. Spend what little money you do have on cheap crap from China while complaining you never have enough money.
7. You must hate and fear "foreigners", black people, Latinos, Asians and Arabs (Jews too).

About sum it up?

That's a gross and deeply unfair mischaracterization and you are smart enough to know it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Coup

It's not about being thinned skinned, it's about a complete rejection of an ideology that holds the average american in angry contempt. People can take a joke. What people won't do is be hatefully attacked and insulted continuously for everything single value that's deeply important to them.

Kind of like when a liberal disagrees with a Trump supporter and gets called a cuck?

[Coup]

Originally Posted by kane

Kind of like when a liberal disagrees with a Trump supporter and gets called a cuck?

Sure. Absolutely. I won't seriously defend it but I will laugh at it and even jokingly engage in it mostly when the situation calls for it.

None of these tactics are doing this country any good and I'll be the first to say it.

The cuckery on all sides needs to be brought to an end or we are going to be marching straight into open and armed warfare eventually. Edit: I mean we are seriously staring at political violence and outright terrorism happening right now and it seems very few are even acknowledging it.

[plaster]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

OMG did you see that 99% of them walked out!

In all fairness more people walked out then attend a Hillary rally

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Coup

That's a gross and deeply unfair mischaracterization and you are smart enough to know it.

Of course. Over simplification is the point. Those that oversimplify will vote for Trump while those that think deeply and ponder consequences will vote for Hillary.

But it's all a shell game anyway. This election is not "real" in the sense that the outcome is already known and planned for.

Think about it: if YOU controlled major parts of this country (energy, defense, communications, etc) would YOU leave something as important as the Presidency up to chance? Up to Democracy? LOL I sure as fuck wouldn't. So in the end it doesn't matter WHO anyone votes for as long as enough people show up to the polls so the results can be deemed legitimate. THAT'S the game.

If everyone who was truly upset with "the system" simply stayed home, sat on their asses and refused to participate in a system they deem broken, this whole nonsense would stop on a dime.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Coup

Sure. Absolutely. I won't seriously defend it but I will laugh at it and even jokingly engage in it mostly when the situation calls for it.

None of these tactics are doing this country any good and I'll be the first to say it.

The cuckery on all sides needs to be brought to an end or we are going to be marching straight into open and armed warfare eventually. Edit: I mean we are seriously staring at political violence and outright terrorism happening right now and it seems very few are even acknowledging it.

I get the feeling that no matter who wins, the next 4 years are likely going to be very ugly on the political front.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by **********

On a side note, just what is the "Liberal hate machine"?

5 seconds on the Huff Post should give you an idea.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by **********

On a side note, just what is the "Liberal hate machine"?

The Daily Show for example.

[kane]

One thing I don't understand here. If you know enough about Amy Schumer that you are willing to drop over $100 each for seats to her show, you would think you would likely know that she despises Trump and it is going to come up during the show. If hearing someone bash Trump is going to upset you enough that you will leave, why not save your money and stay home?

It would be like a liberal going to see Sean Hannity do a live show then getting pissed when he bashed liberals.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by nico-t

The Daily Show for example.

Why would you call The Daily Show a Liberal Hate Machine?

[Coup]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Of course. Over simplification is the point. Those that oversimplify will vote for Trump while those that think deeply and ponder consequences will vote for Hillary.

And those that oversimplify in their thinking that Trump is the problem and not merely a symptom ARE part of the problem. Whether they are willing to admit it to themselves or not. Trump voters should be an ally against someone like Trump but instead, attributable completely to the actions of the left, have converted them into virulent enemies due to their constant attacks on middle american culture.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Coup

And those that oversimplify in their thinking that Trump is the problem and not merely a symptom ARE part of the problem. Whether they are willing to admit it to themselves or not. Trump voters should be an ally against someone like Trump but instead, attributable completely to the actions of the left, have converted them into virulent enemies due to their constant attacks on middle american culture.

Agreed, and that's also the point. Get the "left" and the "right" to bash each other so much that the lines blur and no one even knows WHAT the fuck they're angry about or fighting over and then those that steal elections and power can just go about their nasty business.

We are all fools for buying into (and contributing to) this nonsense.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by kane

One thing I don't understand here. If you know enough about Amy Schumer that you are willing to drop over $100 each for seats to her show, you would think you would likely know that she despises Trump and it is going to come up during the show. If hearing someone bash Trump is going to upset you enough that you will leave, why not save your money and stay home?

It would be like a liberal going to see Sean Hannity do a live show then getting pissed when he bashed liberals.

Her fans know perfectly well what she's about. Jokingly fucking with people. But, what has become perfectly obvious now is that she has moved well beyond jokes and straight up into anti-gun and anti-working class propaganda. She has openly stated that this is what she intends to do but apparently no one took her seriously or heard her say it. They didn't leave because of jokes. They left because of hate.

[bronco67]

I laughed at SNL poking fun at Hillary Clinton. Why are Trump supporters so sensitive? Assholes can't take a joke.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Coup

And those that oversimplify in their thinking that Trump is the problem and not merely a symptom ARE part of the problem. Whether they are willing to admit it to themselves or not. Trump voters should be an ally against someone like Trump but instead, attributable completely to the actions of the left, have converted them into virulent enemies due to their constant attacks on middle american culture.

lefties will never get it - it's why they still can't understand Brexit. That's not a dig at lefties as such - many of my friends are lefties, and I have zero problem with any of them. The 'problem' as such, is that dare I say it, they (some of them, by no means all) try a bit hard to be *too* intellectual, in every facet of their thinking, and sometimes can't see the wood for the trees.

Carnegie was pretty spot on in his observation that everyone has a need to feel important - not in a 'bow to me' way, but that they have meaning... for too long politics (for sure in the UK, and obviously from what I read online, the US also) has made many feel unimportant. That's the very crux of the problem, the rest (cronyism etc) is merely icing on the shit cake (Hai CS!). Those people are so desperate for change that they'll do anything, even risk Trump over Hillary with immediate possible downsides, because they've had enough. All the 'clever' lefty media and wannabe intellectuals can do is attribute that to racism, sexism, misogyny, and so on. While no doubt that *is* part of it for certain chavs and trailer trash elements, it's to miss the bigger picture in such a way that I can't really grasp.

I may be way way way off the mark in my guess here, but having gone through a 'rock bottom' myself, I can't help feeling that those voters who are more voting against hillary than for trump, feel kinda the same way. Voting for the status quo is akin to keeping a shit site alive, or sending traffic to the same longtime under-performing sponsor, because you are too scared/apathetic to make/see a real change, even if your stats *completely* tank for a while and you have to start from scratch but with a much better outlook ahead once you have made it through any shitstorm. Not a perfect analogy but meh, as always I'm far too lazy

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The values and beliefs of the working class:

1. Women should shut the fuck up.
2. Any minorities can go fuck themselves.
3. You must believe in the Christian God or you can go fuck yourself.
4. You must support your Gov't blindly, no matter what it does or who it harms (as long as it's not YOU).
5. Blame anyone and everything for your own unhappiness.
6. Spend what little money you do have on cheap crap from China while complaining you never have enough money.
7. You must hate and fear "foreigners", black people, Latinos, Asians and Arabs (Jews too).

About sum it up?

You forgot "grab em by the pussy".

[2MuchMark]

I think Amy Schumer is actually pretty sexy.









Self confidence and a great sense of humor + a super-cute face make for a really nice package in my book.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Coup

It's not about being thinned skinned, it's about a complete rejection of an ideology that holds the average american in angry contempt. People can take a joke. What people won't do is be hatefully attacked and insulted continuously for everything single value that's deeply important to them.

I agree with Richard, thin skinned. Especially when they aren't winning, which is most of the time. Also, I thought that it was a Trumpism to attack back when attacked? He attacked the comedy industry, she hit back.

On another note it must be hard to be a Trumper to know that your favorite, actor, band, comedian, etc. thinks you are a joke and wouldn't want anything to to with you as a person. Well, unless you like Scott Baio or Clint Eastwood.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Jel

lefties will never get it - it's why they still can't understand Brexit. That's not a dig at lefties as such - many of my friends are lefties, and I have zero problem with any of them. The 'problem' as such, is that dare I say it, they (some of them, by no means all) try a bit hard to be *too* intellectual, in every facet of their thinking, and sometimes can't see the wood for the trees.

Carnegie was pretty spot on in his observation that everyone has a need to feel important - not in a 'bow to me' way, but that they have meaning... for too long politics (for sure in the UK, and obviously from what I read online, the US also) has made many feel unimportant. That's the very crux of the problem, the rest (cronyism etc) is merely icing on the shit cake (Hai CS!). Those people are so desperate for change that they'll do anything, even risk Trump over Hillary with immediate possible downsides, because they've had enough. All the 'clever' lefty media and wannabe intellectuals can do is attribute that to racism, sexism, misogyny, and so on. While no doubt that *is* part of it for certain chavs and trailer trash elements, it's to miss the bigger picture in such a way that I can't really grasp.

I may be way way way off the mark in my guess here, but having gone through a 'rock bottom' myself, I can't help feeling that those voters who are more voting against hillary than for trump, feel kinda the same way. Voting for the status quo is akin to keeping a shit site alive, or sending traffic to the same longtime under-performing sponsor, because you are too scared/apathetic to make/see a real change, even if your stats *completely* tank for a while and you have to start from scratch but with a much better outlook ahead once you have made it through any shitstorm. Not a perfect analogy but meh, as always I'm far too lazy

Your statement is way to well thought out for the average Trumper. Not saying you are in any way obviously, I am saying that they are unaware of these processes in their own mind. The left can be too intellectual and judgemental. My first sentence may be just that. However I know very few, maybe no educated well traveled experienced people that don't see the danger in him. I see plenty of people who don't understand history, don't fact check anything and whose critical thinking is extremely poor who see no danger. I think critical thinking is not something that comes naturally. It is taught in certain situations. For me it was running a business and yes college.

I agree with a lot of what you said though. However, Brexit is small potatoes compared to a U.S. leader hinting to jail his opponent, change the laws to muffle the media as well as stoking the flames to suggest the cancellation of shows like SNL only after they speak poorly of him to an excess. The isms are not important compared to those three. Is it rhetoric? Is it worth finding out what he can do with a willing Attorney General, Federal Communication Commission and Supreme Court that owe him? I think it is clear now that millions, yes millions of people will follow him blindly on his word alone. How far will they go? Is it worth finding out?

He has executed the recipe for past atrocities perfectly. Blame others that aren't like you, tell you that the good times will return if you keep THEM out, kick THEM out and take away THEIR rights and the people that disagree cannot be trusted and lie 100% of the time. It is a recipe that works. What is his end game? Is it worth finding out?

[altmman]

I'm liberal and don't find Amy Schumer funny at all, her jokes are pretty boring

she's getting kinda chunky too

[Joshua G]

odd that the liberals make so many posts on this forum, & in this thread. one might think they dominate this forum...

but when another thread actually polled GFY posters who they support, the vote was 2-1 in favor of trump.

in other words, the 2-1 majority support for trump is quietly sitting on the sidelines, not posting, while GFY liberals delude themselves, entertain themselves by insulting the 2-1 majority of trump supporters who read these threads.

Nov 8 will be like 911 for the left & their reality bubble.

[altmman]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

Nov 8 will be like 911 for the left & their reality bubble.

Romney had HUGE crowds too, he lost too.

here's the latest intelligent prediction

[Paul Markham]

Most people are sick to death of millionaire celebrities telling them how to vote.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

She seems annoying and self-righteous, has that overly aggressive smart-ass look in her eyes and obviously needs to talk too much.

I don't see what the point is to try to grill a guy on stage because of the fact that he's not supporting Clinton because he can't trust her (that's all he's saying).

Is this campaigning or is this supposed to be an entertainment? Because it sure isn't entertainment, and it is in no way entertaining.

One can bash politics in a way of social criticism that by every means requires a wit, overview and intelligence.

But to promote in her "show" perhaps the most obviously corrupt, two-faced presidential candidate in the American history, with a proven track record of destructive decisions, backdoor dealings, covering up own incompetence and acting against the public interest? That's not entertaining.

Originally Posted by Jel

lefties will never get it - it's why they still can't understand Brexit. That's not a dig at lefties as such - many of my friends are lefties, and I have zero problem with any of them. The 'problem' as such, is that dare I say it, they (some of them, by no means all) try a bit hard to be *too* intellectual, in every facet of their thinking, and sometimes can't see the wood for the trees.

Carnegie was pretty spot on in his observation that everyone has a need to feel important - not in a 'bow to me' way, but that they have meaning... for too long politics (for sure in the UK, and obviously from what I read online, the US also) has made many feel unimportant. That's the very crux of the problem, the rest (cronyism etc) is merely icing on the shit cake (Hai CS!). Those people are so desperate for change that they'll do anything, even risk Trump over Hillary with immediate possible downsides, because they've had enough. All the 'clever' lefty media and wannabe intellectuals can do is attribute that to racism, sexism, misogyny, and so on. While no doubt that *is* part of it for certain chavs and trailer trash elements, it's to miss the bigger picture in such a way that I can't really grasp.

An astute observation.

Besides that, the pseudo intellectual aggression in mass media, officially approved as a norm, is reaching massive proportions. And the cult of "political correctness" is in many cases misused merely as a convenient gadget to silence, ostracize and prosecute anybody with actual alternative views.

The fact is that the regular folk just couldn't care less about tranny bathrooms or somebody talking about "groping pussy". It's their own and their's family actual well being and security that's the primary need for them.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Your statement is way to well thought out for the average Trumper. Not saying you are in any way obviously, I am saying that they are unaware of these processes in their own mind. The left can be too intellectual and judgemental. My first sentence may be just that. However I know very few, maybe no educated well traveled experienced people that don't see the danger in him. I see plenty of people who don't understand history, don't fact check anything and whose critical thinking is extremely poor who see no danger. I think critical thinking is not something that comes naturally. It is taught in certain situations. For me it was running a business and yes college.

I agree with a lot of what you said though. However, Brexit is small potatoes compared to a U.S. leader hinting to jail his opponent, change the laws to muffle the media as well as stoking the flames to suggest the cancellation of shows like SNL only after they speak poorly of him to an excess. The isms are not important compared to those three. Is it rhetoric? Is it worth finding out what he can do with a willing Attorney General, Federal Communication Commission and Supreme Court that owe him? I think it is clear now that millions, yes millions of people will follow him blindly on his word alone. How far will they go? Is it worth finding out?

He has executed the recipe for past atrocities perfectly. Blame others that aren't like you, tell you that the good times will return if you keep THEM out, kick THEM out and take away THEIR rights and the people that disagree cannot be trusted and lie 100% of the time. It is a recipe that works. What is his end game? Is it worth finding out?

I think you can add to that list of shameful psychological levers the recent suggestions that if he does not win it is because the election was "rigged", and victory would be "stolen" from him. Shame of the like of Rudy Giuliani for repeating this toxic vile blackmail.

So if Hillary wins the process is flawed - if he wins its all good ?

All that is left is him to talk of "being stabbed in the back" and he will have pulled the full set.

Then there is a firebomb in one of his campaign offices.......ffs.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

The fact is that the regular folk just couldn't care less about tranny bathrooms or somebody talking about "groping pussy". It's their own and their's family actual well being and security that's the primary need for them.

That's partially true. Of course people vote based upon self interest.

However people decide what is in their best interests on a whole host of criteria. Being a decent trustworthy person is high on a lot of agendas. As Trump himself said - his people will vote for him whatever. However being a racist pussy grabbing tax dodger does not help your cause in the election battleground of the votes that matter. Women, minorities, and the undecided.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by NewNick

That's partially true. Of course people vote based upon self interest.

However people decide what is in their best interests on a whole host of criteria. Being a decent trustworthy person is high on a lot of agendas.

Doesn't appear so considering it's Clinton running for president, I'm very curious how this plays out.

Originally Posted by NewNick

As Trump himself said - his people will vote for him whatever. However being a racist pussy grabbing tax dodger does not help your cause in the election battleground of the votes that matter. Women, minorities, and the undecided.

That's again the way somebody wants to paint him, and they use every single thing the "politically correct" narrative enables them to use for this determined witch hunt.

Now let's ask a simple question

Given the massive amount of evidence pointing to corruption, deception, incompetence, endangering national security, proven track record of disastrous foreign policy etc. etc.

Wouldn't it be a very easy job to expose Clinton as a candidate that simply can't ever be trusted as a presidential candidate, let alone as a president?

Based on actual facts and documented positions (these are actual facts and positions based on existing evidence, not on speculations or wild allegations).

So there you have it, a candidate admitting holding "a private and a public position", dreaming of open borders in front of the bankers, calling actual Americans "deplorables" in a Freudian slip etc.

It would be an extremely easy job to expose Clinton as somebody who is corrupt and completely untrustworthy. It would be the easiest job ever for the mass media, there's way too much evidence available for that. If they cared about actual journalism. Which they don't.

What's even more absurd we have now news outlets that are officially "endorsing" a candidate, so it's even official! If there was any single piece of journalist code left, MSM would be supposed to report about the election, not to influence the election.

[Internet Guy]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The values and beliefs of the working class:

1. Women should shut the fuck up.
2. Any minorities can go fuck themselves.
3. You must believe in the Christian God or you can go fuck yourself.
4. You must support your Gov't blindly, no matter what it does or who it harms (as long as it's not YOU).
5. Blame anyone and everything for your own unhappiness.
6. Spend what little money you do have on cheap crap from China while complaining you never have enough money.
7. You must hate and fear "foreigners", black people, Latinos, Asians and Arabs (Jews too).

About sum it up?

Well summarized. That lists Trumps values/beliefs, as he's told us.

At the start of this year I despised both Hillary and Trump, I think both of them lack empathy and should be kept away from positions of power - for the nations safety.

Trump has made Hillary look like the sane option, and I really disliked her, still do - but if Trump cannot even successfully run a company, a government run by him would be nothing short of a disaster. It makes the status quo look pretty fucken' appealing if that's what's ahead.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Your statement is way to well thought out for the average Trumper. Not saying you are in any way obviously, I am saying that they are unaware of these processes in their own mind.

They themselves don't have to be aware of it And while not exactly a 'Trumper', I see him as the better result, for reasons way too long-winded to go into here, and I struggle for the most part to write concisely - in a conversation I'd go through it, but here I don't have the time/inclination to try and put it into the written word. Suffice it to say I'm not a bigot, racist, misogynist, and all the other things 90% of the left assume Trump voters and/or supporters are. I voted for Brexit despite being none of those things, as I'm sure many millions of others did, but the hard left can't fathom there'd be a reason other than those - it's an alien concept to them that some don't like the utter control that mass bureaucracy brings, the hatred of cronyism, the hypocrisy, double-talk, PC jargon, failure to understand that it's about compromise instead of a utopian wet dream where everyone loves each other and can integrate seamlessly, and a hundred other things. The left ignore that, and look at 'institutionalised racism/sexism' as to why-oh-why do the intellectually inferior vote the 'wrong' way.

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

The left can be too intellectual and judgemental. My first sentence may be just that. However I know very few, maybe no educated well traveled experienced people that don't see the danger in him. I see plenty of people who don't understand history, don't fact check anything and whose critical thinking is extremely poor who see no danger.

And this is why Brexit happened, and why it's so close now in the US. The issue is not that they don't see a certain amount of 'danger', the issue is that they are sick of being ignored, being lied to, being told to do as we say not as we do. People aren't idiots, it's folly to dismiss the so-called 'right' as such.

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I agree with a lot of what you said though. However, Brexit is small potatoes compared to a U.S. leader hinting to jail his opponent, change the laws to muffle the media as well as stoking the flames to suggest the cancellation of shows like SNL only after they speak poorly of him to an excess. The isms are not important compared to those three. Is it rhetoric? Is it worth finding out what he can do with a willing Attorney General, Federal Communication Commission and Supreme Court that owe him? I think it is clear now that millions, yes millions of people will follow him blindly on his word alone. How far will they go? Is it worth finding out?

Not sure you were fully clued up on just what a shitfest Brexit was, and how the media spun the same kind of slant on Farage - portraying him as a stupid but hitler-esque character, taking things out of context (as did the other side, and as do both sides in the US in this campaign), and so on. And yet, people today are still looking at the intellectual facets (that don't exist) to 'explain' how such a 'wrong' decision was made by the 'idiot' public. Trump puts his foot in his mouth regularly (as did Farage actually), but people actually trust the blunders over the sheer calculated scheming of the establishment, as we saw with Brexit, as we are seeing in other Euro countries, and as we are seeing in the US, regardless of the outcomes, the numbers are there. That speaks volumes, and due to the nature of humans, half(ish) the population of each country is going to be left saying w t f, what the hell is wrong with the others.

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

He has executed the recipe for past atrocities perfectly. Blame others that aren't like you, tell you that the good times will return if you keep THEM out, kick THEM out and take away THEIR rights and the people that disagree cannot be trusted and lie 100% of the time. It is a recipe that works. What is his end game? Is it worth finding out?

Both parties do this, you could keep that word for word about Clinton and the democrats and the observation would still be correct. Which is actually part of the reason I alluded to earlier, in my feeling that a Trump victory would be better in the long run, even if it does equate to a shitty short term. Tbh, I think he may have shaken it up enough already, for sure the republicans need to change a lot to remain a viable opposition, and regardless of anyone's political stance, a good opposition is crucial. To remove at least a meaningful amount of the cronyism, disregard for the actual people, and so on from both parties would be a godsend - it's whether that can be achieved without a Trump victory or not that remains to be seen.

Sorry to ramble haha, my writing has never been a strong suit of mine, which is why I hardly ever bother having real discussions online. Off to revert back to flippant one-liners on here, and exagerrated rants on facebook

and honestly, no dig at you or any other of what I'd call my left-leaning buddies.. I do get your views/concerns

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Paying to go see her was the first sign these people were stupid!

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Most people are sick to death of millionaire celebrities telling them how to vote.

Millionaire celebs like Trump ?

The guy says you should vote for him because he is rich for fucks sake.

That is it. That's his whole agenda.