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Steve Rupe · 12-05-2016, 06:21 PM

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as opposed to you, summing up your own in one sentence.

It is you not I putting your ignorance on display for all members to see.

Rochard · 12-05-2016, 06:59 PM

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Bush had nothing to do with the legislation that required lenders to make loans to increasingly unqualified borrowers. It also was not Bush's fault that Wall Street got very very good at selling bad loans wrapped into securities. The failure was in not recognizing how bad the problem was until it was too late.

You just said it yourself: "The failure was in not recognizing houw bad the problem was until it was too late".

The Bush administration, Congress, the banks, and Wall Street all encouraged this. No one wanted this to stop. The housing market was going up and up, people were pulling money out of their houses, spending it on toys and improvements, which caused the economy to do well, which only caused the price of houses to up further. At the same time they couldn't build houses fast enough.

We all knew what was going on, we just didn't want it to end. It was crazy. I bought a house for $220k in Phoenix, Arizona - a rather average house with a pool - and two years later it had doubled in value. That's insane.

Don't tell us the President has no control over this, and don't tell us the President doesn't make laws. What President Bush should have done was get together a number of people from Congress, sit them down, and say "Times are good right now but this is going to be a huge problem shortly and I need you to sponsor bills that will become laws that will help prevent this". And this just didn't happen. Our president failed us.

Please don't tell me he didn't see this coming - most of us did.

And then please do not tell us that Obama didn't fix this. He was handed the worst economy in my life time with unemployment over 10% and cut it in half. He made the right decisions. He put the right people in the right departments to make this happen.

TheSquealer · 12-05-2016, 07:28 PM

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And then please do not tell us that Obama didn't fix this. He was handed the worst economy in my life time with unemployment over 10% and cut it in half. He made the right decisions. He put the right people in the right departments to make this happen.

Tell us Mr Crockettscience ... if Obama fixed it... then you'd have to know what would have happened without Obama. Correlation is not causation. Recovery+Guy in Oval Office doesn't equate to "he did it". There would have been no lame ass, super poor recovery that we're seeing without Obama in office? Of course there would have been. The economy would have recovered with a monkey in the Oval Office or even Bush JR again.

slapass · 12-05-2016, 07:33 PM

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You just said it yourself: "The failure was in not recognizing houw bad the problem was until it was too late".

The Bush administration, Congress, the banks, and Wall Street all encouraged this. No one wanted this to stop. The housing market was going up and up, people were pulling money out of their houses, spending it on toys and improvements, which caused the economy to do well, which only caused the price of houses to up further. At the same time they couldn't build houses fast enough.

We all knew what was going on, we just didn't want it to end. It was crazy. I bought a house for $220k in Phoenix, Arizona - a rather average house with a pool - and two years later it had doubled in value. That's insane.

Don't tell us the President has no control over this, and don't tell us the President doesn't make laws. What President Bush should have done was get together a number of people from Congress, sit them down, and say "Times are good right now but this is going to be a huge problem shortly and I need you to sponsor bills that will become laws that will help prevent this". And this just didn't happen. Our president failed us.

Please don't tell me he didn't see this coming - most of us did.

And then please do not tell us that Obama didn't fix this. He was handed the worst economy in my life time with unemployment over 10% and cut it in half. He made the right decisions. He put the right people in the right departments to make this happen.

You are giving too much credit to both sides in this one.

slapass · 12-05-2016, 07:35 PM

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Uhm... yeah, that and fake narratives and excuses like "it's all Bush's fault" is exactly what got voted out of the House, Senate and White House.

Obviously not inspiring and it's all rhetoric and false narratives which were played out long ago. Have at it though.

It was fear. White men are old and out of favor. This was their last hurrah. I understand it, I just can't applaud it.

Rochard · 12-05-2016, 08:48 PM

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Tell us Mr Crockettscience ..

I have no idea what that means.

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if Obama fixed it... then you'd have to know what would have happened without Obama.

Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe if we had a different president we would still be at war in two different countries in the middle east. Maybe if we had a different president we would be at war with Russia. Maybe unemployment would be 4.2% if there was a different president.

Are things better or worse than when Obama took office? Obviously better. When Obama took office people were losing their jobs and losing their houses.

slapass · 12-05-2016, 08:51 PM

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I have no idea what that means.

Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe if we had a different president we would still be at war in two different countries in the middle east. Maybe if we had a different president we would be at war with Russia. Maybe unemployment would be 4.2% if there was a different president.

Are things better or worse than when Obama took office? Obviously better. When Obama took office people were losing their jobs and losing their houses.

He hardly could have made it worse. I think you are expecting too much of these guys. Very few saw the housing boom/bust before it happened. Or the road out.

jimmycooper · 12-05-2016, 11:30 PM

People keep sending me this thread. My absence is easy to explain.

When it comes to legitimate business, entrepreneurship, marketing, sales and success...

You're all irrelevant.

This forum is irrelevant.

It's that simple.

In a perpetually growing market, with perpetually growing demand, the vast majority of you, as always has been the case, are perpetually failing. Not because of who leads the market, not because of competition, not because of new technology, not because of which directions things evolve towards, not because of who "steals" what video, but because of you.

You are failing or have failed because of who you are and how you think.

This is a data and statically driven business occupied almost entirely by people who can barely add or read or even express a simple thought with any coherence.

There are few to no people left to respect in this industry
There are no companies left to admire in this industry
There are no achievements worth emulating in this industry
There are no innovations worthy of attention in this industry
There are no people worth aspiring to be in this industry
There is no more awe-inspiring ingenuity in this industry

There are endless places online or off to actually learn should you choose to. There are endless places to find successful people either online or off, who can both inspire and motivate as they pass on priceless information and advice and carefully detail lessons learned. GFY is not one of them. GFY has not been one of them for a very long time.

This place used to be an OK distraction and often amusing, now its just a bunch of jackoffs spamming their sigs, spamming their products, talking about trump, hillary, liberals, republicans, conspiracies and copy/paste news.

I've got a few companies to run and have no need for distracting myself by talking to, engaging with or otherwise mocking those who have nothing better to do.

Pretty much anyone i like has my phone number or skype id or email. There is no reason to be here. That is the case for all the people that have been quietly slipping out the back door as this place continues its downward spiral into an internet refuge for both the unemployed and the unemployable.

I have to set an appropriate value on my time and it doesn't allow for this place.

;)

Paul Markham · 12-06-2016, 12:42 AM

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Trump lost the election by over 2,500,000 votes. On Dec. 19th 538 elites in the Electoral College will override the will of the people and anoint a fuck up. How fucked up is that?

The entire US political system is fucked up. https://gfy.com/21358210-post12.html

Paul Markham · 12-06-2016, 12:44 AM

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Yeah but that cycle continues regardless. If republicans are in power for the next 8 years or so and things don't go that smooth overall they will get turned on all the same, no matter who runs for election.

crying and whining comes from both sides endlessly, its not only one party doing it, this isn't news to you here. Your rant is a mixture of your disdain for liberals and millennials so that clouds your point a lot considering not all millennials are democrats or republicans, shit, most don't even vote. Democrats did poison their campaign with pc bullshit and avoiding the main issues no doubt, but Republicans were no different in their focus with hillary. bullshit news sites were flooded with made up nonsense. Reputable outlets were no more innocent as they focused on non issues and fanned up non stories as well.

So who else do you vote for? https://gfy.com/21358210-post12.html

Paul Markham · 12-06-2016, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

Blah Blah Blah

The establishment is still going to fuck you, just the other side of the same coin doing the fucking this time!

Trump is putting establishment people in his cabinet and the Republicans are putting the same establishment people in key positions.

The democrats are putting the establishment back into key positions in their party also.

Both parties don't fear the voters and will continue to be controlled by their corporate masters

Look how many incumbents were voted out of congress,,,,very little. So it's business as usual

The problem is there's no chance of a new party emerging when voters are voting for the big spenders and people who are forced to represent those big spenders.

Paul Markham · 12-06-2016, 12:55 AM

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Of course that is true. However, this race more than any other in my life, shows how truly broken the system is and how truly disappointed people are in it.

The entire system is broken and people voted against it... that is the one and only issue people should be concerned with fixing right now. Whining about Trumps latest tweet when you know he's a pompous asshole, just as he was last year, the year before, 5 years ago, 15 years ago etc is pretty pointless. Everyone knew he was an asshole... but he won the presidential election.. .that should be what people are looking at as being the problem. In my view, this is what Democrats don't seem to get. Everyone knows he's a dick and he says obnoxious shit... that isn't going to change.

How about we all focus on what matters such as examining how these two thoroughly unfit people rose to the top to begin with???

The US political process is bought and paid for by people who can outspend the voters.

The Skyrocketing Costs of Running for Mayor of a Major U.S. City Until a cap is put on the costs the likelihood of a third party rising and representing the people is remote. In 2016 it's easy to connect with people, no need for the huge campaign, TV adverts, and stadium shows. The plus side for politicians is it stops them getting onto Social Media and mapping out and explaining their policies.

Paul Markham · 12-06-2016, 12:59 AM

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Sure sure.

Clearly what happened wasn't Bush's fault. It was Obama's fault. Or Bill Clinton's fault.

Don't kid yourself here. Bush inherited a good economy, and eight years later we were stuck in two never ending wars and an economy that pure shit. Of course it's Bush's fault. It happened on his watch. No matter how you try to spin this it was Bush's fault. Period.

And now here you are to tell us how it is. Unemployment isn't going down? It's down to 4.6%. The only time during my life time it's been lower was 2000, 1999, and the year I was born 1968.

I can't wait to see how the economy does under Trump. Let's see where unemployment is a year from now.

Prime Mortgages were a Clinton invention.
NAFTA was a Clinton invention.

It takes time for fuck ups to kick in. But, put a moron in charge and the fuck ups, only increase. Bush was picked for you by people who don't care about you.

Paul Markham · 12-06-2016, 01:17 AM

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Yes, the economy goes through changes.... But the President and our government has a huge impact on this. Bush failed us. He didn't just fail us, he failed us in a spectacular fashion. Do I think Obama was our hero and our savior? No, not really. The one thing we needed most to fix this was time and that's what Obama got. Basically Obama didn't fuck it up even worse.

But of course you are right. The economy is still bad, unemployment is still massive, people are losing their jobs, and people are losing their houses.

Yes, Western economies go through periods of boom and bust. Because we're basing our economies on casinos not production.

Casinos that are uncontrolled and can sell $1 for $2 are always going to collapse when people realise $1 is only worth 90 cents. The insane part is the people placing the bets get a % for just placing them. Look at the list of donors to see why the markets are allowed to scam us.

Go back 50 years and economies were less likely to go from boom to bust, except for the Great Depression where the markets fucked us first.

Ford to More Than Double Mexico Production Capacity in 2018 - WSJ

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Don't tell us the President has no control over this, and don't tell us the President doesn't make laws. What President Bush should have done was get together a number of people from Congress, sit them down, and say "Times are good right now but this is going to be a huge problem shortly and I need you to sponsor bills that will become laws that will help prevent this". And this just didn't happen. Our president failed us.

You don't get it. If they stop this merry go round. The donors pull their money out so the politicians lose their jobs. It's not just the President, it runs right down to Mayors.

Magnetron · 12-06-2016, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

People keep sending me this thread. My absence is easy to explain.

When it comes to legitimate business, entrepreneurship, marketing, sales and success...

You're all irrelevant.

This forum is irrelevant.

It's that simple.

In a perpetually growing market, with perpetually growing demand, the vast majority of you, as always has been the case, are perpetually failing. Not because of who leads the market, not because of competition, not because of new technology, not because of which directions things evolve towards, not because of who "steals" what video, but because of you.

You are failing or have failed because of who you are and how you think.

This is a data and statically driven business occupied almost entirely by people who can barely add or read or even express a simple thought with any coherence.

There are few to no people left to respect in this industry
There are no companies left to admire in this industry
There are no achievements worth emulating in this industry
There are no innovations worthy of attention in this industry
There are no people worth aspiring to be in this industry
There is no more awe-inspiring ingenuity in this industry

There are endless places online or off to actually learn should you choose to. There are endless places to find successful people either online or off, who can both inspire and motivate as they pass on priceless information and advice and carefully detail lessons learned. GFY is not one of them. GFY has not been one of them for a very long time.

This place used to be an OK distraction and often amusing, now its just a bunch of jackoffs spamming their sigs, spamming their products, talking about trump, hillary, liberals, republicans, conspiracies and copy/paste news.

I've got a few companies to run and have no need for distracting myself by talking to, engaging with or otherwise mocking those who have nothing better to do.

Pretty much anyone i like has my phone number or skype id or email. There is no reason to be here. That is the case for all the people that have been quietly slipping out the back door as this place continues its downward spiral into an internet refuge for both the unemployed and the unemployable.

I have to set an appropriate value on my time and it doesn't allow for this place.

;)

LoLzZzZz

jimmycooper · 12-06-2016, 06:20 AM

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LoLzZzZz

I just wanted to remind him that GFY is populated with idiots.

NewNick · 12-06-2016, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I would not challenge the idea that each side is full of shit... of course thats true. I say again and again and again that they were two sides of the same coin and just like crockett embody every traid they despise in "the other side". however, there was no balance as to how the news was delivered. Most media favored hillary, not trump. In fact, on my phone, i get headlines daily and they always read like this

Trump bad
Trump bad
Trump is bad
Trump says bad thing
Trump is crazy
Trump bad
Trump meltdown
Trump unelectable
Trump bad
Hillary slams Trump
Trump bad
Trump attacks....
Hillary good

That is how the news headlines read through the election cycle. It became a daily joke here at the office to compare and count. And when Hillary does something like destroys emails under subpoena, lies to investigators, destroys devices under subpoena etc etc etc etc etc, it was barely talked about. New email shit was coming out weekly that constradicted everything she said time and time again and it would get a few seconds coverage and Trumps latest tweet would get 10X more. That was a truly alarming thing to me. The fact the media now has gone from detectives searching for the truth and often beating police to the facts to generally honest reporting to the pressure of a 24 hr news cycle where non-news is news, to a mouth piece for political party.

I dont support Trump.
I didn't vote for Trump.
He's a dipshit.
This election presented no choice. Sociopathic Career Criminal vs Pompous Megalomaniac Narcissist

Ok......

So some sensible folks talked you down. Now what was the original post about again ?

Some would argue that your original rant is the true effect of His Orangness rising to claim his throne.

The polarising nature of his rhetoric, the vicious low level insults, the anything goes approach to the truth (or lack of it).

He didn't just suggest calmly that illegal immigration should be brought under control - he said that mexico was sending rapists, drug dealers and murderers and a wall should be built. ( Whist ignoring the fact that his wife and his grand parents were immigrants.)

He didn't just say that Hillary was unfit to be president because she had classified info on a private email server - he said that she and her family were corrupt career criminals and he would lock her up if he became president. ( Whilst ignoring the fact that he has a great many dubious issues of his own and no one in the Clinton family has ever been charged let alone convicted. )

He didn't just say that he would be monitoring the election process to ensure fairness - he said that the system was corrupt and rigged, and that the election would be stolen from him. He also said he would not accept the result unless he won !

So you wonder why the other camp (who did not vote for him) might be slightly pissed off, and you ignore the fact that the exact same thing happened over the last 8 years in reverse !

Funny.

The worst thing about Trump is the way he has destroyed any semblance of decency and fairness in American politics. He is probably the most divisive figure since the 1950's.

He is not going to bring the jobs back, his economic plans will drive up costs, create inflation, unemployment will rise and living standards will fall. Protectionism is not the work of an economic genius.

He is not going to make America great again - he doesn't need to, it is great.

Trump just tricked enough of you into his rabid xenophobia. He created enough demons to make sure you are scared witless. Thats the genius of Trump and he even has you attacking anyone not with the program. Very sad.

And please dont start wittering about Godwins law - the parallels are legion, and claiming Godwin does not alter anything and it does not excuse all of the nastiness anti-antisemitism and outright racism that has replaced normal decent discourse both here and in the wider society.

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 07:35 AM

Another psycho who hasn't been paying attention. Democrats lost the house and senate years ago. Your failures have nothing to do with Trump. You simply lost the 3rd branch of government recently to top off 8 years of tunnel vision and ignoring the voters

Of course Trump is a twat. Hes always been a pompous jackass. Everyone has witnessed this for several decades. It's not the breaking news you guys keep pretending it is. He says dumb shit. He's been doing it on tv since I was a little kid.

But he's now President largely because of Democrats, not Republicans. Democrats were losing seats in bulk well before Trump decided to run for office and it shouldn't have been a shock that he won against an equally unfit candidate .... but here you guys are. Shocked.

What's your plan?

Whine.
Cry.

Make his every tweet a news story as you continue to fail to understand why he's your Presodent or understand that whining, crying, shouting others down and freaking out every time he burps does absolutely nothing at all to address the reasons the Democrats have lost the House, Senate and White House.

The voting public has now throughly rejected your plans (or Hillarys lack thereof) and your general behavior. I'd say it's time to rethink things and get your shit together or we'll get 8 years of this idiot while you're busying yourselves with whining about his 3am tweets

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 07:44 AM

My point was pretty simple - you guys complaining about Trump daily are the ones that were ignoring everything that voters feel is important. Now you're ignoring why you've lost The White of House, The Senate and The House and Walt to jabber about Trump all day long - rather than face some uncomfortable truths

Youve given him billions in media time for free. You. You did that. That was a massive tactical mistake and now you're prepared to making that same mistake apparently for another 8 years to his benefit.

jimmycooper · 12-06-2016, 07:58 AM

I've seen Russell Brand and Bill Maher make pretty much the same point.

Are they not liberal?

"We have to create a world where Donald Trump isn't necessary and if we don't create that kind of world don't be surprised when Donald Trump becomes president." - Russell Brand

"We can't build walls. That's not the answer. Like it or not we're living with Trump now." - Bill Maher (watch from 51:06)

Not only that but right around the same time you were explaining how little power the president has over the economy and telling Rochard that he was one of the biggest idiots this board has ever seen I was on another board explaining pretty much the same thing to Vendzilla and telling him how he was one of the biggest idiots on that board.

So I think your problem lies more with idiots than it does with liberals.

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 09:00 AM

Damn. Now I'm agreeing with Russel Brand of all people. If Democrats could understand that, there wouldn't be a Trump President.

Ironically, another 4 years of hysterical, whining and crying and mindless focus on Trump tweets is just going to get him re-elected and they probably won't gain seats in the House or Senate next time either.... since they aren't going to confront the issues voters care about like the economy, health care, trade and jobs.

BlackCrayon · 12-06-2016, 09:14 AM

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Damn. Now I'm agreeing with Russel Brand of all people. If Democrats could understand that, there wouldn't be a Trump President.

Ironically, another 4 years of hysterical, whining and crying and mindless focus on Trump tweets is just going to get him re-elected and they probably won't gain seats in the House or Senate next time either.... since they aren't going to confront the issues voters care about like the economy, health care, trade and jobs.

ok, so democrats created the monster trump by ignoring a large segment of the population but what is the solution then? to adopt more "trump like" ideals? they largely don't fit.

Sly · 12-06-2016, 09:20 AM

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ok, so democrats created the monster trump by ignoring a large segment of the population but what is the solution then? to adopt more "trump like" ideals? they largely don't fit.

The solution to any problem is identifying the problem and finding possible ways to fix it, testing the possible ways, and implementing the way that seems to work best.

The president is not the problem. The president is the result of the problem.

Define the problem instead of calling everyone with opposing views names.

Lay down some ideas that may fix the problem.

Try the ideas until one works.

Problem fixed. President irrelevant.

Everyone seems to think the president has this all demanding power, until their president is in the Oval and can't do shit, then they blame it on the other party. If business got away with as much blame as politics did, we would still be rolling around in Flintstones style cars. The blame game does not exist in true leadership. Until politicians figure this out, they will all be worthless hacks.

Bladewire · 12-06-2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

I've seen Russell Brand and Bill Maher make pretty much the same point.

Are they not liberal?

"We have to create a world where Donald Trump isn't necessary and if we don't create that kind of world don't be surprised when Donald Trump becomes president." - Russell Brand

"We can't build walls. That's not the answer. Like it or not we're living with Trump now." - Bill Maher (watch from 51:06)

Not only that but right around the same time you were explaining how little power the president has over the economy and telling Rochard that he was one of the biggest idiots this board has ever seen I was on another board explaining pretty much the same thing to Vendzilla and telling him how he was one of the biggest idiots on that board.

So I think your problem lies more with idiots than it does with liberals.

Great post

AndyA · 12-06-2016, 09:40 AM

When Bush tanked the economy they blamed it on some bill that Clinton signed 10 years prior

When Trump tanks the economy I WONDER what the dipshits here are going to blame that Obama did now.

Trump WILL tank the economy in half the time it took Bush

2-3 years easy

Rochard · 12-06-2016, 09:59 AM

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Prime Mortgages were a Clinton invention.
NAFTA was a Clinton invention.

Bush had eight years to fix this. He did not fix this. He allowed this to happen.

Rochard · 12-06-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyA

When Bush tanked the economy they blamed it on some bill that Clinton signed 10 years prior

When Trump tanks the economy I WONDER what the dipshits here are going to blame that Obama did now.

Trump WILL tank the economy in half the time it took Bush

2-3 years easy

Amazing isn't it?

Assuming this true, Bush had eight years to identify the problem, stop it, and prevent it form happening. Bush failed to do this. No matter how people try to spin this the recession we had at the end of Bush's term was the fault of Bush - nothing something the prior president did eight years before.

There is exactly where the term "passing the buck" comes from.

We are at 4.6% unemployment right now. I cannot wait to see where unemployment is two years from.

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyA

When Bush tanked the economy they blamed it on some bill that Clinton signed 10 years prior

When Trump tanks the economy I WONDER what the dipshits here are going to blame that Obama did now.

Trump WILL tank the economy in half the time it took Bush

2-3 years easy

I didn't know we had so many Ronald Reagan fans here. I mean, Reagan made the economy grow faster than Bush, Clinton, Carter, Ford etc. He was President, therefore, he gets the credit. Carter - was president over one of the worst economic period... damned Democrats!

Nice to see you guys giving Ronald Reagan credit where credit is due.

Bladewire · 12-06-2016, 12:57 PM

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Bush had eight years to fix this. He did not fix this. He allowed this to happen.

Trump Exposed How Bush Family Helped Bin Ladens Escape After 9/11 » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

He also allowed 9/11 by not protecting us, then allowing the rich Saudi families to leave the country while air space was restricted. He then got us entangled in a war based on false intel.

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 01:05 PM

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ok, so democrats created the monster trump by ignoring a large segment of the population but what is the solution then? to adopt more "trump like" ideals? they largely don't fit.

Again, you haven't been listening to what people want. Not what Liberals want. What a larger percent of the voting population wants. The same voting population which put more Republicans in elected office than at any other point in history since 2008. What they've wanted for years which is why Democrats have lost control of all 3 branches of Government and put Trump in the White House.

Jobs - wages have been flat for decades, people are tired of fake unemployment numbers being touted and being told everything is great when they're suffering and see no hope for improvement
Economy - slowest economic recovery since WWII - If Bush Caused the recession, then Obama is responsible for a horrible recovery. Fair,... right?
Illegal Immigration - 20 - 30 Million people in the country illegally along with the negative economic impact that brings
Better Trade Deals - we've been fucked on ever deal for decades, abiding by absurd and often hobbling terms with the other not doing so
Health Care That Works for Them - Obamacare is a disaster and getting worse by the day as more insurers pull out
Less Corporate Interests Controlling Washington - The nation is run by special interests
Stop Blaming Others and Get to Work - Success and change do not come through blame

These are the primary reasons why Trump is your President.... and why no one gives a shit about an audio of grabbing a pussy or moronic tweets at 3am. People are suffering. People want change. People want the system itself shaken up.

BlackCrayon · 12-06-2016, 01:09 PM

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Again, you haven't been listening to what people want. Not what Liberals want. What a larger percent of the voting population wants. The same voting population which put more Republicans in elected office than at any other point in history since 2008. What they've wanted for years which is why Democrats have lost control of all 3 branches of Government and put Trump in the White House.

Jobs - wages have been flat for decades, people are tired of fake unemployment numbers being touted and told everything is great
Economy - slowest economic recovery since WWII - If Bush Caused the recession, then Obama is responsible for a horrible recovery. Fair,... right?
Illegal Immigration - 20 - 30 Million people in the country illegally
Better Trade Deals - we've been fucked on ever deal for decades
Health Care That Works for Them - Obamacare is a disaster and getting worse by the day as more insurers pull out
Less Corporate Interests Controlling Washington - The nation is run by special interests
Stop Blaming Others and Get to Work - Success and change do not come through blame

These are the primary reasons why Trump is your President.... and why no one gives a shit about an audio of grabbing a pussy or moronic tweets at 3am. People are suffering. People want change. People want the system itself shaken up.

these have been the same issues that people want "solutions" to for the past 25-30 years at least. no government in america or really any country has been able to successfully address them. trump won't be any different. there is no easy answer and in some cases there is simply no answer at all. there will be little to any change that will improve things, trump won't be a hero and nor will whoever comes next in 4 or 8 years when the country swings yet again.

Bladewire · 12-06-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

These are the primary reasons why Trump is your President.... and why no one gives a shit about an audio of grabbing a pussy or moronic tweets at 3am. People are suffering. People want change. People want the system itself shaken up.

Trump lost the election to Hillary Clinton by over 2,500,000 votes.

Trump might be voted president on Dec. 19th by 538 elite Electoral College voters overturning the will of the peoplel, but many are having serious second thoughts. Electors take anti-Trump battle to court - POLITICO

Trump is not President yet.

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

these have been the same issues that people want "solutions" to for the past 25-30 years at least. no government in america or really any country has been able to successfully address them. trump won't be any different. there is no easy answer and in some cases there is simply no answer at all. there will be little to any change that will improve things, trump won't be a hero and nor will whoever comes next in 4 or 8 years when the country swings yet again.

The point is that THIS is what voters right now want to see addressed by a leader. I didn't think Trump could win until I saw Hillary constantly talking about Trump. Then it was pretty clear she was going to lose to me. People need to be sold the dream... thats what all elections are. Voting for what will hopefully be a better future in accordance to their priorities at the time of the election. People voted for that. She couldn't win by being a bitter witch under multiple criminal investigations talk about how bad the other guy is. I mean seriously? A career politician couldn't beat Trump. Thats not exactly a sign of how bad Trump is. It should have been a slam dunk.

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trump is not President yet.

He is in fact the President elect, fairly elected under Article 23 of the Constitution. Hillary accepts this. Obama accepts this. You can't hate that fact all you want, but it is still fact.

Barry-xlovecam · 12-06-2016, 01:23 PM

This is comical.

"His Orangeness" for the win.

45 years ago I was hearing the same sort of shit.
Ancient people were probably making shit-balls and tossing them at Hammurabi (the law giver -- not that ape).

Get the fuck over it

Bladewire · 12-06-2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

He is in fact the President elect, fairly elected under Article 23 of the Constitution. Hillary accepts this. Obama accepts this. You can't hate that fact all you want, but it is still fact.

You do know the Electoral College elects the president, not voters. If 270 electors can't decide on one candidate then the Senate votes on who is President.

So no, Don the Con is not President, the process is not complete. You're ahead of yourself.

Who Will Elect the President? The Electoral College System | League of Women Voters

NewNick · 12-06-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Another psycho who hasn't been paying attention.

Psycho ?

Because I dont bow to your superior intellect ?

Gee I'll try harder to follow next time Mam.

And lets just try and indulge your rantings for a moment. So Democrats made Trumpy President right ?

No thats horseshit. No mark Mr Angry types like you lapped up his devisive bile. Trump knows how to twist Mr Averge White guys buttons, and y'll lapped it up. Now you are running around serving up your post election guilt, blaming democrats because you fuckwits are getting the President that you deserve. Do you still want to build a wall and blame the Chinese because Americans dont want to work in a dangerous shithole sweatshop for $10 a day ?

The media just play whatever turns their audience on, the audience decides what is newsworthy, and if it happens to be the latest Trump outburst, or it happens to be the FBI rooting through Hillarys knicker drawer, then that is what news outlets will serve up.

So fuck you Mr Angry white guy - you got your guy in the White House, now we all have to live with it.

And despite your walls of text I have absolutely no idea why the fuck you think the rest of us should have converted to the madness.

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 03:26 PM

Again dumbass, Democrats had already lost the House and The Senate well before Trump became President. Democrats drove the Democrat bus right off a political cliff.... and then tried to get a criminal who was well known to not be trusted even by her own party as poll after poll after poll showed, as President.

Your not even intelligent enough to understand that I don't support Trump at all. I simply support your constant hand wringing and squirming and acting out like children because its amusing.

By the way, nice job making it racial as well. That is another reason Democrats are not controlling any of the 3 branches of government.

2MuchMark · 12-06-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trump Exposed How Bush Family Helped Bin Ladens Escape After 9/11 » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

He also allowed 9/11 by not protecting us, then allowing the rich Saudi families to leave the country while air space was restricted. He then got us entangled in a war based on false intel.

Alex Jones be cray

Bladewire · 12-06-2016, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Again dumbass, Democrats had already lost the House and The Senate well before Trump became President. Democrats drove the Democrat bus right off a political cliff.... and then tried to get a criminal who was well known to not be trusted even by her own party as poll after poll after poll showed, as President.

Your not even intelligent enough to understand that I don't support Trump at all. I simply support your constant hand wringing and squirming and acting out like children because its amusing.

By the way, nice job making it racial as well. That is another reason Democrats are not controlling any of the 3 branches of government.

You're so superior losing the vote to Clinton by millions. Wow you really spoke to America and the majority rejected you by the millions, so smart.

Rochard · 12-06-2016, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trump Exposed How Bush Family Helped Bin Ladens Escape After 9/11 » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

He also allowed 9/11 by not protecting us, then allowing the rich Saudi families to leave the country while air space was restricted. He then got us entangled in a war based on false intel.

You all know how I feel about 9/11 and this is something this has always bothered me.

Magnetron · 12-06-2016, 03:50 PM

I say, make sure the pantry is stocked with plenty of popcorn.

There's 4 years of Comedy Gold ahead.

And there's going to be no one to blame but the Republican Party.

Rochard · 12-06-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

You do know the Electoral College elects the president, not voters. If 270 electors can't decide on one candidate then the Senate votes on who is President.

So no, Don the Con is not President, the process is not complete. You're ahead of yourself.

Who Will Elect the President? The Electoral College System | League of Women Voters

You are wrong here. Trump has won the election.

The election is decided by the electoral college. It is highly unlikely the electoral college will not vote for Trump. In the event it goes to the Senate, well, that's a done deal too. If I recall correctly there are 100 seats in the Senate, 54 of which are Republican.

As much as this pains me to say, you need to accept this is over.

Relax. Take a valium and invest in a nice new TV. This will fun to watch.

Bladewire · 12-06-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You are wrong here. Trump has won the election.

Did you not get the memo? The recounts are a troll sssshhhh

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're so superior losing the vote to Clinton by millions. Wow you really spoke to America and the majority rejected you by the millions, so smart.

Once again,.... Democrats have lost the House, the Senate AND the White House.

Two of those have absolutely ZERO to do with Trump and in addition to that, there are more Republicans elected on the state level than ever in the history of their party.

Also, ZERO to do with Trump.

Democrats have lost much much much more than just the White House since Obama has been President. Trump is not the cause of anything.... he's the symptom of actual problems... .which people want to deny.

NewNick · 12-06-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Again dumbass, Democrats had already lost the House and The Senate well before Trump became President. Democrats drove the Democrat bus right off a political cliff.... and then tried to get a criminal who was well known to not be trusted even by her own party as poll after poll after poll showed, as President.

Your not even intelligent enough to understand that I don't support Trump at all. I simply support your constant hand wringing and squirming and acting out like children because its amusing.

By the way, nice job making it racial as well. That is another reason Democrats are not controlling any of the 3 branches of government.

There you go again Mr Angry, its a good job you are here to enlighten all the dumbass libs on what they should be thinking.

To be honest I dont care who you support, I just disagree with you. You dont deal with that very well.

I disagree with the whole premise that Joe Average is somehow suffering worse than he ever did, and the pesky politicians have let him down by not fixing it. This is such a crock of shite. The poor have always been poor and the average will remain so. If average Joe does not educate himself and find some skills that are in demand then he is fucked.

Average Joe needs to get out of his pickup and learn to code. Ex coal miners need to re train in industries that are thriving. Car plant workers need to ask themselves why the Germans and the Japanese build a better more aspirational car. And now unfortunately, truck drivers and cab drivers are about to go the same way when automation takes their jobs.

Politicians have not failed these people, unless of course you think we should dig coal even if other fuels are cheaper and cleaner, that everyone should drive a shitheap car, and that their should be laws against automation. Society changes - people have to change. The state does its best to help, no one starves, everyone gets a basic education, but if you dont take responsibility for your own future, then I am sorry an immigrant or a foreign worker might do your job for less money, but more than likely it will be a machine that puts you out of work.

Are we really saying we want big government spoon feeding us ?

kane · 12-06-2016, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Once again,.... Democrats have lost the House, the Senate AND the White House.

Two of those have absolutely ZERO to do with Trump and in addition to that, there are more Republicans elected on the state level than ever in the history of their party.

Also, ZERO to do with Trump.

Democrats have lost much much much more than just the White House since Obama has been President. Trump is not the cause of anything.... he's the symptom of actual problems... .which people want to deny.

And under Clinton, the Democrats came into power with all three houses and lost them. And under Bush, the Republicans held all three houses and lost them. Then it happened to Obama and it is likely to happen to Trump.

This does not mean there is a republican mandate running through America right now. The Republicans backed into this victory. They actually lost seats in both the House and Senate, but were able to barely hold onto them.

The problem is that both parties are very similar and the pattern shows that when one wins it invigorates the other and they turn out to vote while the followers of the party in power often assume they have it locked down and are less enthusiastic.

TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

The problem is that both parties are very similar and the pattern shows that when one wins it invigorates the other and they turn out to vote while the followers of the party in power often assume they have it locked down and are less enthusiastic.

I agree with this 100%. They are both opposite sides of the same coin. The behaviors,the argument, the rhetoric etc is all the same.

However, i would suggest that just as in how our brain makes decisions (a team of rivals framework - where often 1000s competing "arguments" take place where you're only consciously aware of the top 1 or 2 or 3), so do we as a society. We function from a survival standpoint as a team of rivals. This is an evolutionary trait and the direct product of group selection. For the best decision to be reached for the group as a whole, there must be argument. A decision without argument leads to mass extinction when no one raises their hand to question as the group is threatened. For people to argue effectively, they must see things in very different ways and also fall prey to the illusion/belief that there is no other way to see it and that any other view is wrong... leading to disbelief and incredulity that anyone could even have a different opinion.

I am actually just super fascinated with the psychological aspects of this, of us of as as groups and as individuals. We all cling to narratives which fit our view and tend to defend them fiercely irregardless of the facts. We hear / see something we want to believe and begin searching for reasons to believe it... we hear / see something we don't want to believe and begin searching for reasons to disprove it. This election is funny because it pushes peoples buttons more than usual.

A sad thing is the divisiveness of the nation now. To me, (my opinion) Obama marked the beginning of political courtesy coming to an end and the beginning of a President only representing only 1/2 of the country. In years past such as those you mentioned, there was a great deal of courtesy and etiquette in addressing the other party using polite euphemisms such as "my colleagues across the aisle" etc. That was all replaced by Obama by direct attacks on "Republicans" and constantly using the word "Republicans" non stop as he vilified them... forgetting they also represent 1/2 of the people he is supposed to represent in this country. This has pushed the tribal behaviors, the hysteria, the continual parroting of fake narratives and ignoring any facts which speak to a view one doesn't agree with into overdrive. I feel this nation is more divided than its ever been in my lifetime ( i wasn't alive in the 60's or before) and the choice between Presidents being a hardened criminal who has nothing but contempt for the system, the law and the people and a narcissistic shithead reality tv star who needs to be banned from twitter.

This election should be a wake up call for a nation.. Not for democrats. Not for republicans. For everyone. but its not. It's just a new chance to push the "my team = good", "your team = bad" rhetoric into a new gear we haven't experienced yet, ANd its happening so much so, that issues and positions aren't even the focus anymore. We are all (as a society) just as bad as the media on a 24hr news cycle talking about nothing all day long.... while again we are not even really paying attention to the facts and issues but rather stupid sideshow shit.

Bladewire · 12-06-2016, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Once again,.... Democrats have lost the House, the Senate AND the White House.

Two of those have absolutely ZERO to do with Trump and in addition to that, there are more Republicans elected on the state level than ever in the history of their party.

Also, ZERO to do with Trump.

Democrats have lost much much much more than just the White House since Obama has been President. Trump is not the cause of anything.... he's the symptom of actual problems... .which people want to deny.

Gerrymandering, look it up.

When the majority of voters are on your side in the millions, you know you're on the right side of history

kane · 12-06-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I agree with this 100%. They are both opposite sides of the same coin. The behaviors,the argument, the rhetoric etc is all the same.

However, i would suggest that just as in how our brain makes decisions (a team of rivals framework - where often 1000s competing "arguments" take place where you're only consciously aware of the top 1 or 2 or 3), so do we as a society. We function from a survival standpoint as a team of rivals. This is an evolutionary trait and the direct product of group selection. For the best decision to be reached for the group as a whole, there must be argument. A decision without argument leads to mass extinction when no one raises their hand to question as the group is threatened. For people to argue effectively, they must see things in very different ways and also fall prey to the illusion/belief that there is no other way to see it and that any other view is wrong... leading to disbelief and incredulity that anyone could even have a different opinion.

I am actually just super fascinated with the psychological aspects of this, of us of as as groups and as individuals. We all cling to narratives which fit our view and tend to defend them fiercely irregardless of the facts. We hear / see something we want to believe and begin searching for reasons to believe it... we hear / see something we don't want to believe and begin searching for reasons to disprove it. This election is funny because it pushes peoples buttons more than usual.

A sad thing is the divisiveness of the nation now. To me, (my opinion) Obama marked the beginning of political courtesy coming to an end and the beginning of a President only representing only 1/2 of the country. In years past such as those you mentioned, there was a great deal of courtesy and etiquette in addressing the other party using polite euphemisms such as "my colleagues across the aisle" etc. That was all replaced by Obama by direct attacks on "Republicans" and constantly using the word "Republicans" non stop as he vilified them... forgetting they also represent 1/2 of the people he is supposed to represent in this country. This has pushed the tribal behaviors, the hysteria, the continual parroting of fake narratives and ignoring any facts which speak to a view one doesn't agree with into overdrive. I feel this nation is more divided than its ever been in my lifetime ( i wasn't alive in the 60's or before) and the choice between Presidents being a hardened criminal who has nothing but contempt for the system, the law and the people and a narcissistic shithead reality tv star who needs to be banned from twitter.

This election should be a wake up call for a nation.. Not for democrats. Not for republicans. For everyone. but its not. It's just a new chance to push the "my team = good", "your team = bad" rhetoric into a new gear we haven't experienced yet, ANd its happening so much so, that issues and positions aren't even the focus anymore. We are all (as a society) just as bad as the media on a 24hr news cycle talking about nothing all day long.... while again we are not even really paying attention to the facts and issues but rather stupid sideshow shit.

I agree that we may have seen the last of political courtesy in this country, at least for some time. When Obama took office he had a 68% approval rating meaning people who didn't vote for him still were willing to give him a chance. Trump will take office with around a 5% approval rating. Those who didn't vote for him clearly are not willing to give him a shot.

That said, I think the road to getting here was a two-way street. Yes, Obama held the Republicans at arm's length, but it all started with them filibustering anything and everything he tried to do. They played the role of obstructionist and it worked because two years later they took back the House. I have a feeling we are about to see the same thing from the Democrats.

The thing is, people are now doing a strange thing. They bitch and complain about our leaders, but continue to vote for them and re-elect them and now with the level of divisiveness, they are emulating them. It is like watching a kid throw a tantrum and his mom gives him candy to make him stop so then adults started doing the same. We saw it in spades this election. Don't like Trump, you are a cuck or a Libertard. Don't like Clinton, you're a racist or a mysoginist. It's freaking crazy.

12-05-2016, 11:30 PM	#58
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12-06-2016, 07:58 AM	#70
jimmycooper Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manhattan Posts: 4,016	I've seen Russell Brand and Bill Maher make pretty much the same point. Are they not liberal? "We have to create a world where Donald Trump isn't necessary and if we don't create that kind of world don't be surprised when Donald Trump becomes president." - Russell Brand "We can't build walls. That's not the answer. Like it or not we're living with Trump now." - Bill Maher (watch from 51:06) Not only that but right around the same time you were explaining how little power the president has over the economy and telling Rochard that he was one of the biggest idiots this board has ever seen I was on another board explaining pretty much the same thing to Vendzilla and telling him how he was one of the biggest idiots on that board. So I think your problem lies more with idiots than it does with liberals. __________________

12-06-2016, 03:26 PM	#88
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,080	Again dumbass, Democrats had already lost the House and The Senate well before Trump became President. Democrats drove the Democrat bus right off a political cliff.... and then tried to get a criminal who was well known to not be trusted even by her own party as poll after poll after poll showed, as President. Your not even intelligent enough to understand that I don't support Trump at all. I simply support your constant hand wringing and squirming and acting out like children because its amusing. By the way, nice job making it racial as well. That is another reason Democrats are not controlling any of the 3 branches of government. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

12-06-2016, 03:50 PM	#92
Magnetron Lord High Groundhog Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Bumblefuck, USA Posts: 1,841	I say, make sure the pantry is stocked with plenty of popcorn. There's 4 years of Comedy Gold ahead. And there's going to be no one to blame but the Republican Party. __________________ . Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....." and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back you stood for ever before the window saying nothing

12-06-2016, 07:35 AM	#68
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,080	Another psycho who hasn't been paying attention. Democrats lost the house and senate years ago. Your failures have nothing to do with Trump. You simply lost the 3rd branch of government recently to top off 8 years of tunnel vision and ignoring the voters Of course Trump is a twat. Hes always been a pompous jackass. Everyone has witnessed this for several decades. It's not the breaking news you guys keep pretending it is. He says dumb shit. He's been doing it on tv since I was a little kid. But he's now President largely because of Democrats, not Republicans. Democrats were losing seats in bulk well before Trump decided to run for office and it shouldn't have been a shock that he won against an equally unfit candidate .... but here you guys are. Shocked. What's your plan? Whine. Cry. Make his every tweet a news story as you continue to fail to understand why he's your Presodent or understand that whining, crying, shouting others down and freaking out every time he burps does absolutely nothing at all to address the reasons the Democrats have lost the House, Senate and White House. The voting public has now throughly rejected your plans (or Hillarys lack thereof) and your general behavior. I'd say it's time to rethink things and get your shit together or we'll get 8 years of this idiot while you're busying yourselves with whining about his 3am tweets

12-06-2016, 07:44 AM	#69
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,080	My point was pretty simple - you guys complaining about Trump daily are the ones that were ignoring everything that voters feel is important. Now you're ignoring why you've lost The White of House, The Senate and The House and Walt to jabber about Trump all day long - rather than face some uncomfortable truths Youve given him billions in media time for free. You. You did that. That was a massive tactical mistake and now you're prepared to making that same mistake apparently for another 8 years to his benefit.

12-06-2016, 09:00 AM	#71
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,080	Damn. Now I'm agreeing with Russel Brand of all people. If Democrats could understand that, there wouldn't be a Trump President. Ironically, another 4 years of hysterical, whining and crying and mindless focus on Trump tweets is just going to get him re-elected and they probably won't gain seats in the House or Senate next time either.... since they aren't going to confront the issues voters care about like the economy, health care, trade and jobs.

12-06-2016, 09:40 AM	#75
AndyA So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl. Posts: 1,670	When Bush tanked the economy they blamed it on some bill that Clinton signed 10 years prior When Trump tanks the economy I WONDER what the dipshits here are going to blame that Obama did now. Trump WILL tank the economy in half the time it took Bush 2-3 years easy

12-06-2016, 01:23 PM	#85
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	This is comical. "His Orangeness" for the win. 45 years ago I was hearing the same sort of shit. Ancient people were probably making shit-balls and tossing them at Hammurabi (the law giver -- not that ape). Get the fuck over it