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mineistaken · 12-06-2016, 05:47 PM

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TheSquealer · 12-06-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

The thing is, people are now doing a strange thing. They bitch and complain about our leaders, but continue to vote for them and re-elect them and now with the level of divisiveness, they are emulating them. It is like watching a kid throw a tantrum and his mom gives him candy to make him stop so then adults started doing the same. We saw it in spades this election. Don't like Trump, you are a cuck or a Libertard. Don't like Clinton, you're a racist or a mysoginist. It's freaking crazy.

I agree with everything you've said. It used to be that people were locked into arguing over the best solution for a problem which everyone agreed is a problem. Now the issues aren't even the point anymore, much less the solutions. It's all kinda troubling and it reminds me of Russia where people would just say stupid shit and then win by pounding their fist on the table the hardest and longest, winning not the debate, but simply a contest of wills.

kane · 12-06-2016, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I agree with everything you've said. It used to be that people were locked into arguing over the best solution for a problem which everyone agreed is a problem. Now the issues aren't even the point anymore, much less the solutions. It's all kinda troubling and it reminds me of Russia where people would just say stupid shit and then win by pounding their fist on the table the hardest and longest, winning not the debate, but simply a contest of wills.

My brother's former mother-in-law is that way. She is one of those people who feels like hers is the only correct way and if you don't agree you are wrong. Even if you point out 100 ways how she is incorrect about something she will just scream until people finally give in and do what she wants. She hates me because I never just shut up and let her win.

My favorite moment involving her was one year at Thanksgiving we all finish eating and some people are in one room watching football and others go into another room to watch a movie. We start flipping through the channels and we happen across the movie Seven. Someone jokes about it being a happy holiday movie. She says it is disgusting and should be banned. We tell her we were joking about watching it and switch the channel. She continues to go off about how movies like that should be banned. I point out that just because she doesn't like it doesn't mean it should be banned. She loves riding horses, I think that is a waste of time and money, but I don't think it should be banned. We debate this for a few minutes and then she said, "Well, if it were up to me, there would be no movies like this!" I said, "Well, I'm glad that is why we normally don't let crazy people be in charge." Even her husband laughed. She stomped out of the room and spent the next hour in the next room explaining to them why movies like Seven should be banned. This was several years ago. She will still occasionally comment on it. The last time I saw her was last year at Christmas when my brother had a bunch of people over and she was there to see his kids. She said something like, "Watch any movies that should be banned lately?"

jimmycooper · 12-06-2016, 09:31 PM

whiny cunts! how can they not accept the will of the people? the result of the election was clearly an indictment of the incumbent. fucking crybabies!

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Bush had eight years to fix this. He did not fix this. He allowed this to happen.

You really do not get it.

The people who fund Presidential and politicians elections were on a gravy train ride. They tell politicians what to do.

Trump is your only chance to break the hold of the big donors over your life. When the next elections come around in your area, Google who controls the candidates. The voters aren't in the list.

The UK has the same problem. The referendum on EU membership was won by the Leave camp. Now the Remain Camp, which most MPs are in, now want to make sure the UK can't leave.

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Amazing isn't it?

Assuming this true, Bush had eight years to identify the problem, stop it, and prevent it form happening. Bush failed to do this. No matter how people try to spin this the recession we had at the end of Bush's term was the fault of Bush - nothing something the prior president did eight years before.

There is exactly where the term "passing the buck" comes from.

We are at 4.6% unemployment right now. I cannot wait to see where unemployment is two years from.

Bush should have stopped it, but didn't. Still, makes Clinton guilty of creating the situation which needed to be stopped. Obama could have pulled out of the ME instead, he went in and fucked up again.

Unemployment at 4.6%

Poverty at 13.5 percent and climbing.

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Jobs - wages have been flat for decades, people are tired of fake unemployment numbers being touted and being told everything is great when they're suffering and see no hope for improvement
Economy - slowest economic recovery since WWII - If Bush Caused the recession, then Obama is responsible for a horrible recovery. Fair,... right?
Illegal Immigration - 20 - 30 Million people in the country illegally along with the negative economic impact that brings
Better Trade Deals - we've been fucked on ever deal for decades, abiding by absurd and often hobbling terms with the other not doing so
Health Care That Works for Them - Obamacare is a disaster and getting worse by the day as more insurers pull out
Less Corporate Interests Controlling Washington - The nation is run by special interests
Stop Blaming Others and Get to Work - Success and change do not come through blame

The situation over Healthcare illustrates how most Americans are being fucked by Corporate America. Obama tried to change it and was blocked.

Could he have started to put in place the system the rest of the modern world uses? Public National Health Services?

Not a bat's chance in hell, it would lose the 1% too much money.

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

these have been the same issues that people want "solutions" to for the past 25-30 years at least. no government in america or really any country has been able to successfully address them. trump won't be any different. there is no easy answer and in some cases there is simply no answer at all. there will be little to any change that will improve things, trump won't be a hero and nor will whoever comes next in 4 or 8 years when the country swings yet again.

He alone can't change it. It needs people to start voting for people who aren't in the pockets of billionaires. And so far Americans are willfully negligent in that area.

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Amazing isn't it?

Assuming this true, Bush had eight years to identify the problem, stop it, and prevent it form happening. Bush failed to do this. No matter how people try to spin this the recession we had at the end of Bush's term was the fault of Bush - nothing something the prior president did eight years before.

There is exactly where the term "passing the buck" comes from.

We are at 4.6% unemployment right now. I cannot wait to see where unemployment is two years from.

Bush should have stopped it, but didn't. Still, makes Clinton guilty of creating the situation which needed to be stopped. Obama could have pulled out of the ME instead, he went in and fucked up again.

Unemployment at 4.6%

Poverty at 13.5 percent and climbing.

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

I say, make sure the pantry is stocked with plenty of popcorn.

There's 4 years of Comedy Gold ahead.

And there's going to be no one to blame but the Republican Party.

The blame lies squarely with the voters. Americans have been voting for politicians who are paid for, more interested in lobbyists than voters for decades. The UK has the same problem. We all need to stop voting for the party and start looking into the credentials of the candidate.

Make politicians fear the people.

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

You do know the Electoral College elects the president, not voters. If 270 electors can't decide on one candidate then the Senate votes on who is President.

So no, Don the Con is not President, the process is not complete. You're ahead of yourself.

Who Will Elect the President? The Electoral College System | League of Women Voters

Will the Senate vote for anything other than Trump? If so what are the options?

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

There you go again Mr Angry, its a good job you are here to enlighten all the dumbass libs on what they should be thinking.

To be honest I dont care who you support, I just disagree with you. You dont deal with that very well.

I disagree with the whole premise that Joe Average is somehow suffering worse than he ever did, and the pesky politicians have let him down by not fixing it. This is such a crock of shite. The poor have always been poor and the average will remain so. If average Joe does not educate himself and find some skills that are in demand then he is fucked.

Average Joe needs to get out of his pickup and learn to code. Ex coal miners need to re train in industries that are thriving. Car plant workers need to ask themselves why the Germans and the Japanese build a better more aspirational car. And now unfortunately, truck drivers and cab drivers are about to go the same way when automation takes their jobs.

Politicians have not failed these people, unless of course you think we should dig coal even if other fuels are cheaper and cleaner, that everyone should drive a shitheap car, and that their should be laws against automation. Society changes - people have to change. The state does its best to help, no one starves, everyone gets a basic education, but if you dont take responsibility for your own future, then I am sorry an immigrant or a foreign worker might do your job for less money, but more than likely it will be a machine that puts you out of work.

Are we really saying we want big government spoon feeding us ?

you are really clueless about what's happening.

Learning to code, that's a stupid solution for all but those with advanced Math's degrees.

Read what Mark Carney said and get a clue.

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

The problem is that both parties are very similar and the pattern shows that when one wins it invigorates the other and they turn out to vote while the followers of the party in power often assume they have it locked down and are less enthusiastic.

Both sides have the same owners. The solution is to vote for the Third candidates whoever they are. Which is what Trump is.

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The thing is, people are now doing a strange thing. They bitch and complain about our leaders, but continue to vote for them and re-elect them and now with the level of divisiveness, they are emulating them. It is like watching a kid throw a tantrum and his mom gives him candy to make him stop so then adults started doing the same. We saw it in spades this election. Don't like Trump, you are a cuck or a Libertard. Don't like Clinton, you're a racist or a mysoginist. It's freaking crazy.

NewNick · 12-07-2016, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

you are really clueless about what's happening.

Learning to code, that's a stupid solution for all but those with advanced Math's degrees.

Read what Mark Carney said and get a clue.

Fuck off immigrant.

kane · 12-07-2016, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Both sides have the same owners. The solution is to vote for the Third candidates whoever they are. Which is what Trump is.

Sorry, but Trump is not a third candidate. He is surrounding himself with establishment people, his general election got a ton of money from the RNC and he is likely not going to do much of anything to change things.

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

Fuck off immigrant.

does that mean I'm right and you have no better answer? Yes it does.

Paul Markham · 12-07-2016, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

Sorry, but Trump is not a third candidate. He is surrounding himself with establishment people, his general election got a ton of money from the RNC and he is likely not going to do much of anything to change things.

Agreed he's surrounding himself with establishment people. Clinton would have done the same.

He's the first step in a long journey for you to reclaim your country.

NewNick · 12-07-2016, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

does that mean I'm right and you have no better answer? Yes it does.

No Paul, I am pointing out what a ridiculous hypocrite you are.

Please tell us all how you are benefiting from the healthcare system where you live NOW.

BlackCrayon · 12-07-2016, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

you are really clueless about what's happening.

Learning to code, that's a stupid solution for all but those with advanced Math's degrees.

Read what Mark Carney said and get a clue.

advanced math degrees? of all the people i know who 'code', none of them have math degrees and many have no secondary education at all.

Rochard · 12-07-2016, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You really do not get it.

The people who fund Presidential and politicians elections were on a gravy train ride. They tell politicians what to do.

Trump is your only chance to break the hold of the big donors over your life. When the next elections come around in your area, Google who controls the candidates. The voters aren't in the list.

The UK has the same problem. The referendum on EU membership was won by the Leave camp. Now the Remain Camp, which most MPs are in, now want to make sure the UK can't leave.

We were all on the gravy train and no one wanted it to stop. It's the job of the president to protect it's citizens. President Bush didn't do that.

Google who controls the candidates? You mean people like Trump? You mean the people who buy and sell candidates? Trump said it himself that he bought and sold candidates during the campaign.

Trump has no experience in government and how it works, and he won't be able to get things done. Anything he does get done will most likely benefit big businesses and not the average worker. Business as usual - the rich get richer.

NewNick · 12-07-2016, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

advanced math degrees? of all the people i know who 'code', none of them have math degrees and many have no secondary education at all.

+1

I employ 7 full time coders, no degree of any sort between them.

But that was not the point - low skilled uneducated persons are going to find life increasingly tough.

So you can sit in small town rust belt USA whining and voting for populist arseholes who tell you its all the fault of pesky foreigners and feckless corrupt politicians, or you can wake up and see that Apple and Google dont give a shit about you. They are going to spend their huge ill-gotten cash reserves making more machines to make you even more unemployable. But dont worry, at least they have encrypted your phone so that the FBI cannot spy on you !

woj · 12-07-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We were all on the gravy train and no one wanted it to stop. It's the job of the president to protect it's citizens. President Bush didn't do that.

it was politically impossible to stop... any attempt to put brakes on it would have been described as: "Republican cocksuckers are against affordable housing! they want to make it harder for low and middle class families to get mortgages!"...

so no, Bush administration couldn't do much without committing political suicide...

and in hindsight it all seems obvious, but like you said no one wanted it to stop, everyone (not just banks) was making $$ hand over fist, and so everyone wanted the good times to last a bit longer, no one wanted it to end...

Bladewire · 12-07-2016, 12:02 PM

Final Popular Vote Total Almost Done: Clinton Lead Swells to 2.7 million

"The extraordinary vote margin in favor of Clinton leaves Trump as the elected president most thoroughly rejected by American voters since Rutherford B. Hayes in the election of 1876."

PR_Glen · 12-07-2016, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Of course that is true. However, this race more than any other in my life, shows how truly broken the system is and how truly disappointed people are in it.

The entire system is broken and people voted against it... that is the one and only issue people should be concerned with fixing right now. Whining about Trumps latest tweet when you know he's a pompous asshole, just as he was last year, the year before, 5 years ago, 15 years ago etc is pretty pointless. Everyone knew he was an asshole... but he won the presidential election.. .that should be what people are looking at as being the problem. In my view, this is what Democrats don't seem to get. Everyone knows he's a dick and he says obnoxious shit... that isn't going to change.

How about we all focus on what matters such as examining how these two thoroughly unfit people rose to the top to begin with???

yeah, i can't even argue with that... That's exactly where the focus should be, no doubt. where the fuck was your voice of reason the past few months when the lunatics took over anyway? heh

Rochard · 12-07-2016, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

it was politically impossible to stop... any attempt to put brakes on it would have been described as: "Republican cocksuckers are against affordable housing! they want to make it harder for low and middle class families to get mortgages!"...

so no, Bush administration couldn't do much without committing political suicide...

and in hindsight it all seems obvious, but like you said no one wanted it to stop, everyone (not just banks) was making $$ hand over fist, and so everyone wanted the good times to last a bit longer, no one wanted it to end...

So basically what you just said is if they did anything about it it would be political suicide or.... They can take the entire country and the world economy down with them.

No one wanted to it stop. No one. Not the public, not the government, and surely not the banks. No one wanted it to end. But we all knew it was going to end eventually.

Magnetron · 12-07-2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The blame lies squarely with the voters. Americans have been voting for politicians who are paid for, more interested in lobbyists than voters for decades. The UK has the same problem. We all need to stop voting for the party and start looking into the credentials of the candidate.

Make politicians fear the people.

The voters are going to retaliate against the Republican Party when they fail to Make America Great Again. There will be no Democrat obstructionism in the next 4 years to blame for their failures.

Bladewire · 12-07-2016, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

The voters are going to retaliate against the Republican Party when they fail to Make America Great Again. There will be no Democrat obstructionism in the next 4 years to blame for their failures.

2 years

Magnetron · 12-08-2016, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

2 years

Democrats will be better positioned for a comeback if it is 4.

Towards the end of his term, Trump will publicly blast everyone around him for the failures. He'll be the epicenter of a Ring of Fire and a Republican Congress will be caught up in the "fault" zone.

Bladewire · 12-08-2016, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

Towards the end of his term, Trump will publicly blast everyone around him for the failures. He'll be the epicenter of a Ring of Fire and a Republican Congress will be caught up in the "fault" zone.

:thumbsuo

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