China releases statement that tradewar is on with America! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

MiamiBoyz · 01-23-2017, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I remember as a kid "Eat all food on your plate there are children in China starving" and seeing commercials on TV to give money to help the starving in China.

Now they hack our shit, bootleg our products/services, no respect for copyright or the rights of their citizens freedom of expression. Maybe God was killing their civilization for a reason? Maybe we shouldn't have intervened?

There is no god. We are killing the planet and we will soon be a footnote in the very long history of this great planet we evolved on and then abused so badly. I hope I live long enough to see the end.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-23-2017, 04:45 AM

the bitter truth:

you got fat...fat wants to stay fat...staying fat does not entail sharing the cookie or working for it...you are now looking for a miracle weight loss supplement and trump promised you one

NewNick · 01-23-2017, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Too bring back jobs to the EU that pay a decent wage.

Agree. People have had their incomes ravaged by present policies so can only afford cheap imported stuff. Bringing back low skilled jobs!!! Have you seen what China's producing these days? Better to bring them back than keep losing them

Again someone who relies on cheap imports to get by.

How long before your job gets exported?

Or just lost because your customers are on benefits?

I suggest you join Thommy and research the situation over the last 40 years. Then project it forward.

I suggest you stop acting like a silly cunt who knows everything when in fact you are a parasitic old migrant. At least sex tourists go home at some point.

thommy · 01-23-2017, 07:54 AM

paul:

what you do not understand about economy is that you will increase the costs for any kind of production dramaticly.
that means that products will become more expensive and will be baught LESS. if products are bought less, it iwill decrease the number of people who get work from it and with that the potencial buyers will become even lesser.

If you want to make growing you have to use the most advantage out of every part. means that technology countries can possibly easier and cheaper find new technologies but they can´t produce them cheap because the labour costs re too high.

you also can´t compare labour costs with standards of a country. I live in Thailand and here the majority have less than a 5000 dollar income per year. but the can live from that. show me an american who can live from 5000 per year.
but to prevent that prices going far over the existing limit they would have to work for that money to make the pricecalculation same it was before.

that what you think will NOT bring higher wages, taxes and less government spending it will be the opposite, because a number of underpaid workers will pay a MUCH LOWER ammount of tax because first of all the % is lower on small incomes as on high and 2nd the ammount is lower too.
if one person is making a million per year the country gets a MUCH higher percentage of that as you give the same ammount of money to 100 workers, right or not ?
so HOW can the taxes become more ?

and HOW do this 100 pay for the products if they do not make sufficient on their production? I tell you what they are going to do - the will safe their own jobs away.

and another thing you should compare is not only the lower income and lower costs in china against higher income against higher costs - the PRIVATE household in china have nearly no dept. so if it would be nessecary there is still potential. in usa this potential was over it´s limit 25 years ago already.

yes maybe after a decade of 50 or 60 years we will find new ways and regulations but they will be based on the same logics of the economic cycle - and we pay this wiseness with 50 or 60 years of wars, revolutions and poverty.

i am not worry about trump and his lobby - they will have made a fortune in that time. who am i worry are the people who are working hard for a little better life but they are handycapped in their knowledge about economies and did exactly the wrong step.

for my opinion a democracy is a pure pharse if people can vote for things waht they do not understand.

and THIS is not only a strategy in the US. that happens all over the world. I remember that they discussed in Germany a few years ago, to give voterights for EVERY member of a familiy - even for babies what are 6 days old. And they had the idea to give that voting right to the parents.
Now imagin a family with 12 children and no clue about nothing have the power to overvote the smartest and highly interessted person with a good knowledge and far view.
That shows EXACTLY the strategy of the political scene in the word because the best option to become the king is to be the one eyed under blinds.

greetings
thommy

thommy · 01-23-2017, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What natural resources does China have?

ah i forgot to answer this one:

90% of the world production of industry metals are from china.
97% of the so called "rare earth elements" or "strategic metals" what are need especially in the high tech industry like mobilephones, computer, hybrid cars, wind tourbines etc. are from china.

china gave up the monopol for it in 2015 following an arbitration of the world trade organization and exports them to the whole world (btw. this abritration was caused by complaint of the USA)

Here is a list of this rare earth elements including where they can be found.

i don´t know how big is the % factor in "imports from china" is on that but i think it is quite funny that a country declares a trade war against another one who have what they need.

it´s your turn now to explain me how US technology want to survive by don´t import from china. voodoo ? or maybe buy it from south america where is 1% of this ressources?
or let the europeans made some win to buy it first from china and then put something on top and sell it to USA ?
what is your and donalds plan on that ?

greetings
thommy

Matt-ADX · 01-23-2017, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

they flood america with junk! cut them off!

You flood GFY with Junk, we wish we could cut you off. Sadly it's not that simple.

crockett · 01-23-2017, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

These Companies Are at Risk in a U.S.-China Trade War |www.bloomberg.com

You might want to read this before you parrot the I hate China mantra.
I know you probably won't. So here is a quote ...

This is not taking in to account all the manufacturing business the US does with China..

Example if Apple suddenly pulled it's manufacturering from China and moved it to say Mexico..

It hurts Apple short term but foxcom the Chinese manufacturer is out of business while Apple rolls on.

China companies do not own the products they are making, they are middle man labor.

China has not developed companies that own their bands, they produce parts and pieces. They don't have companies like Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Levis, ect..ect

Bladewire · 01-23-2017, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy

ah i forgot to answer this one:

90% of the world production of industry metals are from china.
97% of the so called "rare earth elements" or "strategic metals" what are need especially in the high tech industry like mobilephones, computer, hybrid cars, wind tourbines etc. are from china.

china gave up the monopol for it in 2015 following an arbitration of the world trade organization and exports them to the whole world (btw. this abritration was caused by complaint of the USA)

Here is a list of this rare earth elements including where they can be found.

i don´t know how big is the % factor in "imports from china" is on that but i think it is quite funny that a country declares a trade war against another one who have what they need.

it´s your turn now to explain me how US technology want to survive by don´t import from china. voodoo ? or maybe buy it from south america where is 1% of this ressources?
or let the europeans made some win to buy it first from china and then put something on top and sell it to USA ?
what is your and donalds plan on that ?

greetings
thommy

We let China destroy their landscape for REE so we don't have too, not because they are only found in China.

thommy · 01-23-2017, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

We let China destroy their landscape for REE so we don't have too, not because they are only found in China.

we are not talking about chinas landscape - we are talking abour USAs landscape when they have to find that stuff for MUCH higher labour on their continent.

I am not a friend of chinas politics but I am a realistic person and I know that not ONE of this chinese products went to USA on own feet and kicked out other products from the shops.
the reason why this products are there are because someone ordered them because his buyers WANT this products. ALL of them in this chain are not chinese they are 100% americans. NOBODY forced them to buy this products.

here are some links and as usual not from fake news portals

READ HERE WHAT THE US-CHINA BUSINESS COUNCIL SAY

READ HERE WHAT GOODS AMERICAN IS IMPORTING FROM CHINA

READ HERE WHAT GOODS THEY ARE EXPORTING TO CHINA

look on the last links also the numbers from the amercian key industries planes, trains, chemicals, industrial engines and tell me who will buy them and keep the jobs with that.

alone boeing have a plan to sell more than 7000 airplanes to china. what will happen to this company when trump cut this market line off ?
and yes there ARE other plane factories in europe what are not smaller or worse than boeing.

and this is just ONE of thousands of US-companies what are surviving from that market.
how can someone think that 1,4 billion chinese people with another 3 billion asian what are trade connected with the ASEAN contract can not hit the US economy. we talking about more than half of the world population. and up to here we did not include russia, europe and a bunch of other nations what will not accept to be second.

greetings
thommy

Bladewire · 01-23-2017, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy

we are not talking about chinas landscape - we are talking abour USAs landscape when they have to find that stuff for MUCH higher labour on their continent.

I am not a friend of chinas politics but I am a realistic person and I know that not ONE of this chinese products went to USA on own feet and kicked out other products from the shops.
the reason why this products are there are because someone ordered them because his buyers WANT this products. ALL of them in this chain are not chinese they are 100% americans. NOBODY forced them to buy this products.

here are some links and as usual not from fake news portals

READ HERE WHAT THE US-CHINA BUSINESS COUNCIL SAY

READ HERE WHAT GOODS AMERICAN IS IMPORTING FROM CHINA

READ HERE WHAT GOODS THEY ARE EXPORTING TO CHINA

look on the last links also the numbers from the amercian key industries planes, trains, chemicals, industrial engines and tell me who will buy them and keep the jobs with that.

alone boeing have a plan to sell more than 7000 airplanes to china. what will happen to this company when trump cut this market line off ?
and yes there ARE other plane factories in europe what are not smaller or worse than boeing.

and this is just ONE of thousands of US-companies what are surviving from that market.
how can someone think that 1,4 billion chinese people with another 3 billion asian what are trade connected with the ASEAN contract can not hit the US economy. we talking about more than half of the world population. and up to here we did not include russia, europe and a bunch of other nations what will not accept to be second.

greetings
thommy

Trump is about putting country first. China has treated America like a dog for too long, constantly screwing us over for money. China wasted all of our good will to them by fucking us over for years.

China closes itself off from the world & free speech & artistic expression yet wants the world to do business with them and fuck us over on every deal. China outlawing all VPN and related apps & services by 2018 - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

thommy · 01-23-2017, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trump is about putting country first. China has treated America like a dog for too long, constantly screwing us over for money. China wasted all of our good will to them by fucking us over for years.

you where answering too fast that you would be even able to read what i say and linked.

you just IGNORE facts because you can´t accept another meaning.

maybe the world with a population of 8 Billion will loose 350 million buyers but the country with 350 million will lose 8 billion buyers. who do you think can stand that hit?

greetings

thommy

thommy · 01-23-2017, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

China closes itself off from the world & free speech & artistic expression yet wants the world to do business with them and fuck us over on every deal. China outlawing all VPN and related apps & services by 2018 - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

forgot to answer that.

sure they are doing that because the war has already started and the first thing they will do to cut of the media - what is the similar strategy of trump in USA by calling the media liars and try to find a way to rule them.

and from the history of my country i know that hitler did the same.

where the fuck is the difference?

greetings

thommy

Bladewire · 01-23-2017, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy

forgot to answer that.

sure they are doing that because the war has already started and the first thing they will do to cut of the media - what is the similar strategy of trump in USA by calling the media liars and try to find a way to rule them.

and from the history of my country i know that hitler did the same.

where the fuck is the difference?

greetings

thommy

The difference is China is cutting off access to media.

Trump is calling the media names.

In America we can protest the government by the millions and not be arrested, not so in China.

China has taken advantage of America's goodwill for too long and now America doesn't want to play with China so much.

MaDalton · 01-23-2017, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

This is not taking in to account all the manufacturing business the US does with China..

Example if Apple suddenly pulled it's manufacturering from China and moved it to say Mexico..

It hurts Apple short term but foxcom the Chinese manufacturer is out of business while Apple rolls on.

China companies do not own the products they are making, they are middle man labor.

China has not developed companies that own their bands, they produce parts and pieces. They don't have companies like Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Levis, ect..ect

i agree with a lot of things you say but you have no idea what's happening in China

just for a start: Apple is only like 30% of Foxconns revenue. It would hurt them if Apple left but it won't kill them

and many Chinese companies have very deep pockets to buy western businesses and akquire knowhow they might be lacking

crockett · 01-23-2017, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy

forgot to answer that.

sure they are doing that because the war has already started and the first thing they will do to cut of the media - what is the similar strategy of trump in USA by calling the media liars and try to find a way to rule them.

and from the history of my country i know that hitler did the same.

where the fuck is the difference?

greetings

thommy

Yea I 100% agree that Trump is making dictatorship type moves. He will fail though. A few reports have leaked out if you can believe their sources..

1) Trump apparently wanted his inauguration to include military Hardware including tanks, mobile missile launchers to roll down Pennsylvania Ave. The Military told him absolutely not gonna happen. When that failed he reportedly tried to get them to fly military jets over the air space.

(source Right wing Tabloid news site https://nypost.com/2017/01/20/milita...-inauguration/ again who knows if you can believe the source because it was nypost and Huff post.. both extremely biased shitholes)

2) It seems Trump's little speech at the CIA had the exact opposite effect as he seems to think. It seem it pissed the intelligence office off even more because they said he disrespected them and only did it to bolster himself. (example when Obama gave a speech there he asked the CIA for "their help" in fighting our foes but Trump made it all about him by saying "he's behind" them.(like he's the kind wizard). Very subtle difference, but in the scope of the two speeches makes a lot of difference and the CIA/intelligence agencies noticed)

(source: Sources say Trump's CIA visit made relations with intel community worse - CBS News )

Meaning this country is not Germany or any other, Trump might "want" to be a little dictator but it wont happen here. Too many people in this country have guns and will fight back at that sort of notion. Much less no one likes Trump except his brainwashed goons. He barely has any support in the govt as it is..

Bladewire · 01-23-2017, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG

i agree with a lot of things you say but you have no idea what's happening in China

just for a start: Apple is only like 30% of Foxconns revenue. It would hurt them if Apple left but it won't kill them

and many Chinese companies have very deep pockets to buy western businesses and akquire knowhow that might be lacking

China pretty much blocks themselves off from the western world except for business where it manipulates agreements to fuck over their partners.

Let America withdraw and let China stand on its own no big deal. America will suffer but we'll get through it, we always do. We made an error in feeding China's communist machine in the name of profits.

Barry-xlovecam · 01-23-2017, 12:37 PM

American Businesses in China
Selling or Manufacturing in China and some exporting to the USA
All would be subject to retaliatory tariffs

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AT&T
Abercrombe & Fitch
Abbott Laboratories
Acer Electronics
Ademco Security
Adidas
ADI Security
AGI- American Gem Institute
AIG Financial
Agrilink Foods, Inc. (ProFac)
Allergan Laboratories
American Eagle Outfitters
American Standard
American Tourister
Ames Tools
Amphenol Corporation
Amway Corporation
Analog Devices, Inc.
Apple Computer
Armani
Armour Meats
Ashland Chemical
Ashley Furniture
Associated Grocers
Audi Motors
AudioVox
AutoZone, Inc.
Avon

Banana Republic
Bausch & Lomb, Inc.
Baxter International
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Belkin Electronics
Best Buy
Best Foods
Big 5 Sporting Goods
Black & Decker
Body Shop
Borden Foods
Briggs & Stratton

Calrad Electric
Campbell 's Soup
Canon Electronics
Carole Cable
Casio Instrument
Caterpillar, Inc.
CBC America
CCTV Outlet
Checker Auto
CitiCorp
Cisco Systems
Chiquita Brands International
Claire's Boutique
Cobra Electronics
Coby Electronics
Coca Cola Foods
Colgate-Palmolive
Colorado Spectrum
ConAgra Foods
Cooper Tire
Corning, Inc.
Coleman Sporting Goods
Compaq
Crabtree & Evelyn
Cracker Barrel Stores
Craftsman Tools (see Sears)
Cummins, Inc.

Dannon Foods
Dell Computer
Del Monte Foods
Dewalt Tools
DHL
Dial Corporation
Diebold, Inc.
Dillard's, Inc.
Dodge-Phelps
Dole Foods
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc.
Dow-Corning

Eastman Kodak
EchoStar
Eclipse CCTV
Edge Electronics Group
Electric Vehicles USA, Inc.
Eli Lilly Company
Emerson Electric
Enfamil
Estee Lauder
Eveready

Family Dollar Stores
FedEx
Fisher Scientific
Ford Motors
Fossil
Frito Lay
Furniture Brands International

GAP Stores
Gateway Computer
GE, General Electric
General Foods International
General Mills
General Motors
Gentek
Gerber Foods
Gillette Company
Goodrich Company
Goodyear Tire
Google
Gucci
Guess?

Haagen-Dazs
Harley Davidson
Hasbro Company
Heinz Foods
Hershey Foods
Hitachi
Hoffman-LaRoche
Holt's Automotive Products
Hormel Foods
Home Depot
Honda Motor
Hoover Vacuum
HP Computer
Honda
Honeywell
Hubbell Inc.
Huggies
Hunts-Wesson Foods

ICON Office Solutions
IBM
Ikea
Intel Corporation

J.C. Penny's
J.M. Smucker Company
John Deere
Johnson Control
Johnson & Johnson
Johnstone Supply
JVC Electronics

KB Home
Keebler Foods
Kenwood Audio
KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Kimberly Clark
Knorr Foods
K-Mart
Kohler
Kohl's Corporation
Kraft Foods
Kragen Auto

Land's End
Lee Kum Kee Foods
Lexmark
LG Electronics
Lipton Foods
L.L. Bean, Inc.
Logitech
Libby's Foods
Linen & Things
Lipo Chemicals, Inc.
Lowe's Hardware
Lucent Technologies
Lufkin

Mars Candy
Martha Stewart Products
Mattel
McCormick Foods
McDonald's
McKesson Corporation
Megellan GPS
Memorex
Merck & Company
Michael's Stores
Mitsubishi Electronics
Mitsubishi Motors
Mobile Oil
Molex
Motorola
Motts Applesauce
Multifoods Corporation

Nabisco Foods
National Semiconductor
Nescafe
Nestles Foods
Nextar
Nike
Nikon
Nivea Cosmetics
Nokia Electronics
Northrop Grumman Corporation
NuSkin International
Nutrilite (see Amway)
Nvidia Corporation (G-Force)

Office Depot
Olin Corporation
Old Navy
Olympus Electronics
Orion-Knight Electronics

Pacific Sunwear, Inc.
Pamper's
Panasonic
Pan Pacific Electronics
Panvise
Papa Johns
Payless Shoesource
Pelco
Pentax Optics
Pep Boy's
Pepsico International
PetsMart
Petco
Pfizer, Inc.
Philips Electronics
Phillip Morris Companies
Pier 1 Imports
Pierre Cardin
Pillsbury Company
Pioneer Electronics
Pitney Bowes, Inc.
Pizza Hut
Plantronics
PlaySchool Toys
Polaris Industries
Polaroid
Polo (see Ralph Loren)
Post Cereals
Price-Pfister
Pringles
Praxair
Proctor & Gamble
PSS World Medical
Pyle Audio

Qualcomm
Quest One

Radio Shack
Ralph Loren
RCA
Reebok International
Reynolds Aluminum
Revlon
Rohm & Hass Company

Samsonite
Samsung
Sanyo
Shell Oil
Schwinn Bike
Sears-Craftsman
Seven-Eleven (7-11)
Sharp Electronics
Sherwin-Williams
Shure Electronics
Sony
Speco Technologies/Pro Video
Shopko Stores
Skechers Footwear
SmartHome
Smucker's (see J.M. Smucker's)
Solar Power, Inc.
Spencer Gifts
Stanley Tools
Staple's
Starbucks Corporation
Steelcase, Inc.
STP Oil
Sunkist Growers
SunMaid Raisins
Sunglass Hut
Sunkist
Subway Sandwiches
Switchcraft Electronics
SYSCO Foods
Sylvania Electric

3-M
Tai Pan Trading Company
Tamron Optics
Target
TDK
Tektronix, Inc
Texas Instruments
Timex
Timken Bearing
TNT
Tommy Hilfiger
Toro
Toshiba
Tower Automotive
Toyota
Toy's R Us, Inc.
Trader Joe's
Tripp-lite
True Value Hardware
Tupper Ware
Tyson Foods

Uniden Electronics
UPS

Valspar Corporation
Victoria 's Secret
Vizio Electronics
Volkswagen
VTech

Walgreen Company
Walt Disney Company
Walmart
WD-40 Corporation
Weller Electric Company
Western Digital
Westinghouse Electric
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Wilson Sporting Goods
Wrigley
WW Grainger, Inc.
Wyeth Laboratories

X-10
Xelite
Xerox

Yahoo
Yamaha
Yoplait Foods
Yum Brands

Zale Corporation

MaDalton · 01-23-2017, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

China pretty much blocks themselves off from the western world except for business where it manipulates agreements to fuck over their partners.

Let America withdraw and let China stand on its own no big deal. America will suffer but we'll get through it, we always do. We made an error in feeding China's communist machine in the name of profits.

Like Thommy said - it's 300 million Americans vs. 4 billion Asians

sure, close your borders, bring back manufacturing, build the iPhone yourself (hard to achieve btw without rare earth metals from China) but unless you also raise minimum wage to $40 per hour, it will be a very grim life.

And if Donny also manages to alienate EU, Canada and Mexico, he and Mrs. Mayhem from UK can try to live in their own little bubble but it won't be fun.

world economics doesn't work like this

suesheboy · 01-23-2017, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

China can't afford a trade war.

Can you imagine Macy's, Kaymart, Ralphs, going to war with their customers?

Shows how out of touch you are with America and what is happening here. Macy's is going downhill fast as most retailers, it is spelled K-Mart and they are in the shitter too and Ralphs is a grocery store chain with very limited presence in the US except in south CA.

Next you will explain to us all about parking issues with ford pintos and who makes the best cleaner to get fondue stains out of shag rugs.

Barry-xlovecam · 01-23-2017, 12:53 PM

LOL at flaming Ford Pintos
Made in the USA #1

crockett · 01-23-2017, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG

i agree with a lot of things you say but you have no idea what's happening in China

just for a start: Apple is only like 30% of Foxconns revenue. It would hurt them if Apple left but it won't kill them

and many Chinese companies have very deep pockets to buy western businesses and akquire knowhow they might be lacking

Apple was an example, but most of the other companies foxconn does business with are US companies or "non Chinese companies.. Foxconn isn't moving their own products. They aren't producing their own brands and selling them world-wide, meaning if they lose their manufacturing business they are dead. Foxconn makes other companies products, they aren't researching and developing stuff to sell or creating new products/markets.

Again, I don't think much of anything will happen. Trump is a blow hard and he will get a lot of resistance from US companies.. He will do a lot of huffing and puffing in the media and then he and china will play nice..

edit..

As a side note this sort of proves the argument even more that China is just a labor pool.. I always thought Foxconn was Chinese but it's not. It's a Taiwan-based firm. Meaning it's not even a Chinese company. They could just as easily build factories elsewhere and keep US relations..during a trade war, if that actually happen and China couldn't do anything to stop them.

Bladewire · 01-23-2017, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG

Like Thommy said - it's 300 million Americans vs. 4 billion Asians

sure, close your borders, bring back manufacturing, build the iPhone yourself (hard to achieve btw without rare earth metals from China) but unless you also raise minimum wage to $40 per hour, it will be a very grim life.

And if Donny also manages to alienate EU, Canada and Mexico, he and Mrs. Mayhem from UK can try to live in their own little bubble but it won't be fun.

world economics doesn't work like this

We're talking about CHINA

China is abusing its relationship with America, and as you can see from their statements, they are very threatening. "Do business with us or else".

America should never have fed the Chinese communist machine its turned into a monster that needs to be slayed, or left alone to fend for itself.

It's ironic people mention a WORLD economy and in the next breath say you won't survive without CHINA

Before China a lot of our manufacturing was in Taiwan, the Phillipines & India

MaDalton · 01-23-2017, 01:07 PM

you guys are free to not believe what I say - I guess we will see soon who's right

thommy · 01-23-2017, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG

Like Thommy said - it's 300 million Americans vs. 4 billion Asians

sure, close your borders, bring back manufacturing, build the iPhone yourself (hard to achieve btw without rare earth metals from China) but unless you also raise minimum wage to $40 per hour, it will be a very grim life.

And if Donny also manages to alienate EU, Canada and Mexico, he and Mrs. Mayhem from UK can try to live in their own little bubble but it won't be fun.

world economics doesn't work like this

it is not only that what some people do not want to understand.
when they are talking baout china imports they think on the 2 dolla shirt in walmart (what would cost 20 dollar when it is produced in USA).

as you see on the links i´ve posted USA is importing a lot of basic materials for their own high-tech industry what is later beeing exported to other countries with a high profit.

the majority of imports from china are NOT t-shirts and not even the majority of the 2-dollar sirts are from there because most of them are made in carribean free trade zones what where INSPIRED by honored us goverments and the US industry.

i mean it is his first day today and he already canceled TPP, fucked the dollar and the stocks and deleared war against all and everything including US media because they just prooved his lies.

i can not see anything good in that and i hope that american people wake up before it is too late.

greetings
thommy

Barry-xlovecam · 01-23-2017, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG

you guys are free to not believe what I say - I guess we will see soon who's right

I am already picking stock and FOREX plays waiting for what develops.
Buying while the blood is in the water works well too ...

ruff · 01-23-2017, 03:02 PM

Not even in office a week and tRump is starting a trade war. You can bet rich people will not be taking it up the ass on this one. But who will? The poor and middle class of Amerika that's who. Good times in tRumputin land.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-24-2017, 03:12 AM

trump reminds me of that avengers civil war movie, where ant man becomes tiny and enters iron mans suit and just starts fucking random shit up

Paul Markham · 01-24-2017, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy

ah i forgot to answer this one:

90% of the world production of industry metals are from china.
97% of the so called "rare earth elements" or "strategic metals" what are need especially in the high tech industry like mobilephones, computer, hybrid cars, wind tourbines etc. are from china.

china gave up the monopol for it in 2015 following an arbitration of the world trade organization and exports them to the whole world (btw. this abritration was caused by complaint of the USA)

Here is a list of this rare earth elements including where they can be found.

i don´t know how big is the % factor in "imports from china" is on that but i think it is quite funny that a country declares a trade war against another one who have what they need.

it´s your turn now to explain me how US technology want to survive by don´t import from china. voodoo ? or maybe buy it from south america where is 1% of this ressources?
or let the europeans made some win to buy it first from china and then put something on top and sell it to USA ?
what is your and donalds plan on that ?

greetings
thommy

"China has a large and varied stock of natural resources, including many minerals. The country has about 12 percent of the world's mineral resources, with only the United States and Russia possessing larger proportions. There are sizeable reserves of coal, iron, tin, copper, lead, zinc, molybdenum, tungsten, mercury, graphite, antimony, magnesite, fluorspar, and other minerals."

"China?s natural resources include its vast farmland, water supply, mineral deposits, and plant and animal biodiversity. The country is rich with natural resources and utilizes them for tourism and exporting."

So they can sell those resources to the West.

I really have no idea why you're in favour of the Third World producing goods the First World use to export and increasingly making most people in the First World poorer.

Paul Markham · 01-24-2017, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

Shows how out of touch you are with America and what is happening here. Macy's is going downhill fast as most retailers, it is spelled K-Mart and they are in the shitter too and Ralphs is a grocery store chain with very limited presence in the US except in south CA.

Next you will explain to us all about parking issues with ford pintos and who makes the best cleaner to get fondue stains out of shag rugs.

That's the problem with naming actual stores.

I was trying to point out how lowering people's incomes, trickles down onto other people. I guessed I will have to treat you like a 5 year old and explain things clearer.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-24-2017, 04:11 AM

Paul Markham · 01-24-2017, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

paul:

what you do not understand about economy is that you will increase the costs for any kind of production dramaticly.
that means that products will become more expensive and will be baught LESS. if products are bought less, it iwill decrease the number of people who get work from it and with that the potencial buyers will become even lesser.

The increased costs will decline as Automation kicks in. The upside it more Westerners will have jobs to earn enough to come off benefits and start contributing. I see your greed POV, think long term as more people lose jobs and buy less anyway.

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If you want to make growing you have to use the most advantage out of every part. means that technology countries can possibly easier and cheaper find new technologies but they can´t produce them cheap because the labour costs re too high.

Will those plants be in the West or the East?

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you also can´t compare labour costs with standards of a country. I live in Thailand and here the majority have less than a 5000 dollar income per year. but the can live from that. show me an american who can live from 5000 per year.
but to prevent that prices going far over the existing limit they would have to work for that money to make the pricecalculation same it was before.

So Thailand will be hit very hard. I can see why you're for exporting cheap goods now. I'm worried about us in the West.

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that what you think will NOT bring higher wages, taxes and less government spending it will be the opposite, because a number of underpaid workers will pay a MUCH LOWER ammount of tax because first of all the % is lower on small incomes as on high and 2nd the ammount is lower too.
if one person is making a million per year the country gets a MUCH higher percentage of that as you give the same ammount of money to 100 workers, right or not ?
so HOW can the taxes become more ?

If one person in China is making $1million, 100 workers in the West are unemployed. If one person in the West is making $1million. His company is paying a lot more in taxes than a company in Thailand to the US economy. My argument is all about where the companies are located and to what country they contribute.

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and another thing you should compare is not only the lower income and lower costs in china against higher income against higher costs - the PRIVATE household in china have nearly no dept. so if it would be nessecary there is still potential. in usa this potential was over it´s limit 25 years ago already.

That's because most live in what the West considers as poverty. And a different culture. You want those people in debt to risk losing their jobs.

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yes maybe after a decade of 50 or 60 years we will find new ways and regulations but they will be based on the same logics of the economic cycle - and we pay this wiseness with 50 or 60 years of wars, revolutions and poverty.

It will be too late then. I suspect voters will just vote for Far Right Governments.

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i am not worry about trump and his lobby - they will have made a fortune in that time. who am i worry are the people who are working hard for a little better life but they are handycapped in their knowledge about economies and did exactly the wrong step.

No you care only about workers in the Third world.

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for my opinion a democracy is a pure pharse if people can vote for things waht they do not understand.

Stupid statement. Think it through to, who decides who can vote.

Paul Markham · 01-24-2017, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

I suggest you stop acting like a silly cunt who knows everything when in fact you are a parasitic old migrant. At least sex tourists go home at some point.

Tell us where I'm wrong.

I suggest you have no answer and resort to abuse.

thommy · 01-24-2017, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I really have no idea why you're in favour of the Third World producing goods the First World use to export and increasingly making most people in the First World poorer.

i can´t see the point in that. USA was the inventor of buy cheaper get more. how shall that work if you do not use the advantages of a market.
HOW can people get POORER whan they pay less? explain me that!

if a market have technology better than others - they should do this job - if a market have the ressources THEY should do this part - if another market have cheap labour it is perfect for all of them that a product is produced from perfect circumstances the cheapest way. that´s what i call prosperity.

why can you buy today a TV every month if you want? because it is done this way!

if it is the way you think you have to decide to buy all 5 years a TV or a new washingmashine - but both of it will not work.

WHAT is properity?
Is it that people make a lot of money but the goods are so expensive that they can not buy them?
or is prosperity that you can buy as much as possible in exchange to your working time?

that´s the same as we discussed in the other thread, paul.
prosperity success and growing can only exsit when you are chosing the most optimal circumstances stick them together and let everybody do what he can do best.
then you do not need any rules bacuse that would work simply alone because it is already the perfect solution.

a country like china is doing nothing else than all other countries in the world are doing - they are using their own advantages to competite.
they competite with cheap workers other countries are doing it with intelligent engeneering and again others do it with smart marketing.

if you do not want that, than you are actually more chinese than the chinese themself, because only communism have the idea that everyone is working the same, earning the same and living the same - so matter if he is good or not in what he is doing.

greetings
thommy

thommy · 01-24-2017, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The increased costs will decline as Automation kicks in. The upside it more Westerners will have jobs to earn enough to come off benefits and start contributing. I see your greed POV, think long term as more people lose jobs and buy less anyway.

ahhh i see - longterm they lose the jobs with that and buy less - very interessting concept.

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So Thailand will be hit very hard. I can see why you're for exporting cheap goods now. I'm worried about us in the West.

Thailand will stand it - as they did many thousand years already.
but they will stand it because the biggest part of the world understood the importance of world economy - so they will still have a lot of partners and getting more.

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If one person in China is making $1million, 100 workers in the West are unemployed. If one person in the West is making $1million. His company is paying a lot more in taxes than a company in Thailand to the US economy. My argument is all about where the companies are located and to what country they contribute.

what an idioty - you mean that the costs of 100 WET workers should go on top of the price ???
did you ever think that far that this will not only ruin the production jobs - have you ever thought on the sale jobs?

what you are exepting is not possible and not logic.

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That's because most live in what the West considers as poverty. And a different culture. You want those people in debt to risk losing their jobs.

well paul - i think you are old enough to remember the 50s and the 60s. look in an average houshold no and tell me if we live better or worde than then.

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No you care only about workers in the Third world.

wrong - i care the world and do not stick one country in the first position.

all in all i do not know what you are talking about because what you complaining here is what you did your whole life.
you are from UK but you went to CZ to produce there because girls where cheaper and maybe better (what is ok).
after that you sold all your content to the whole world and gave a shit if there is another producer in your customers country.

why did you not produce in UK and gave work to to people there?

you are promoting water but you drink the wine.

your problem is, that others did that even much smarter than you and find even cheaper and easier ways to do what you did and you hate them for it because they are better.

you hate all and everything around you and i do not know why - you had a good life even when you did not live it the way you advise for others.

your idea of world economy ends on your housedoor. you do either have a clue of it nor you care what happens with the rest of the world. that´s called egoism and that was never a good idea for a good relationship.

greetings
thommy

sicone · 01-24-2017, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Tell us where I'm wrong.

You are correct with a lot of your regurgitated facts, however, you are leaving out the small minor part of the cost of doing business in the US. The taxes, federal and state, the regulations and restrictions, the restrictions on mining, possession of, the fees and restitutions for obtaining the raw materials needed and to 'help' repair the local environments from where they were obtained. And that's just the government's greedy hands out.

Then come the workplace and the employees. You need a place to make your goods or to work like an office depending on your business. This place will need annual and often inspections along with things like electricity, phone service, the Internet, and many other things, again based on the type of business. And the employees, labor laws, unions and more. You can't employ children and no slave labor wages along with restrictions on minimum pay and maximum hrs work. There are no workers here for pennies on the dollar. Plus medical insurance, unemployment insurance and more.

Don't forget the legal fees... I don't think anything needs to be explained here unless you aren't familiar with the US legal system and the millions of frivolous lawsuits filed daily.

I'm sure there are many more business expenses for US-based operations, but all of the above should help to point you in the right direction on things you have no clue about in reality starting with the difference between 20% profit and 700% profit.

Barry-xlovecam · 01-24-2017, 06:17 AM

Compared to the rest of the word -- the USA is one of the easiest places to start a new business. That is why so many wealthy and talent people want to immigrate here.

The USA is also one of the easiest places to get a job other than a slave labor position in North Korea.

If you employ people you either do it responsibly or like a slimeball -- your choice.

thommy · 01-24-2017, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sicone

You are correct with a lot of your regurgitated facts, however, you are leaving out the small minor part of the cost of doing business in the US. The taxes, federal and state, the regulations and restrictions, the restrictions on mining, possession of, the fees and restitutions for obtaining the raw materials needed and to 'help' repair the local environments from where they were obtained. And that's just the government's greedy hands out.

Then come the workplace and the employees. You need a place to make your goods or to work like an office depending on your business. This place will need annual and often inspections along with things like electricity, phone service, the Internet, and many other things, again based on the type of business. And the employees, labor laws, unions and more. You can't employ children and no slave labor wages along with restrictions on minimum pay and maximum hrs work. There are no workers here for pennies on the dollar. Plus medical insurance, unemployment insurance and more.

Don't forget the legal fees... I don't think anything needs to be explained here unless you aren't familiar with the US legal system and the millions of frivolous lawsuits filed daily.

I'm sure there are many more business expenses for US-based operations, but all of the above should help to point you in the right direction on things you have no clue about in reality starting with the difference between 20% profit and 700% profit.

you are totally correct - but paul also forgets another thing because he is just standing on a fixed point and do not look even 1 minute in the future.

he is complaining that 1000 workers from china is killing 100 US-jos what is in some case true because of what you have mentioned.

BUT !!!!!!

if a product can be produced on a price where it have a much bigger group of buyers in the same time there are 1000 sales man jobs born. so it is just lose (or not lose because paying more than nessecary is a lose) on what THEY can do better and win on what americans can do better

when internet came up everyone in the world was afraid that it will kill jobs. and YES it did but it made so many new ones that this is more than balanced.

there is one important law of nature what we can never beat and what makes whatever we do (also in markets) just up to a point controlable. this law of nature sais that there can not be a mountain if there is no dale and water can´t go only up to the clouds - it have to fall back. if you try to stop this circulation at one point you will fail.

greetings
thommy

XXXtrailers · 01-27-2017, 05:14 AM

Fake news.

NatalieK · 01-27-2017, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

American Businesses in China
Selling or Manufacturing in China and some exporting to the USA
All would be subject to retaliatory tariffs

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so all these businesses would & will charge more for their product if Trump changes the importing & exporting, which in turn creates the negative effect to any country. Higher prices, less purchases, less profits & less taxes...

thommy · 01-27-2017, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

so all these businesses would & will charge more for their product if Trump changes the importing & exporting, which in turn creates the negative effect to any country. Higher prices, less purchases, less profits & less taxes...

that´s 100% at the point but only logic for people with more than 1,5 brain cells and a bit more knowledge about world economy than a cockroach.

but just do a test and post here

hillary clinton announced 1+1=2

and you will read: FAKE NEWS !!!!!!!

greetings
thommy

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