2 Republican Senators grabbed their pussies and said no to DeVos

[crockett]

Prop's to GOP Sens. Susan Collins (Maine) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) both Republican Senators who have decided not to confirm Betsy DeVos's nomination to be Education secretary.

Amazing 2 Republican Female Senators with the balls to say no to the idiocracy of Trump..

Two GOP senators to vote 'no' on Betsy DeVos | TheHill

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Hopefully they will lose their elections come 2018

[Joshua G]

crockett is in full meltdown tonight. 3rd thread in an hour, whining about trump?

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

crockett is in full meltdown tonight. 3rd thread in an hour, whining about trump?

The libs and mainstream media are in full meltdown mode...and it's only week 2!

[Bladewire]

^^ Redhat cucks TRIGGERED!

[Rochard]

This woman is just horrible. She knows nothing about public education, NOTHING at all. She's never been to a public school, nor has her kids been to a public school. She thinks the problem IS public schools, and wants to send everyone to private school. She doesn't understand that we spend $11k per year per student, and sending ALL kids to private schools would cost five times that - and still wouldn't work for all kids.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This woman is just horrible. She knows nothing about public education, NOTHING at all. She's never been to a public school, nor has her kids been to a public school. She thinks the problem IS public schools, and wants to send everyone to private school. She doesn't understand that we spend $11k per year per student, and sending ALL kids to private schools would cost five times that - and still wouldn't work for all kids.

Republicans have a hard on for using tax payers money to give dumb parents vouchers so they can send their kids to religious schools on the tax payers dime. It's ok to waste and abuse tax payers money as long as it benefits them by dumbing down the population..

[Linkster]

That's not a good sign...and here I thought kids were finally going to be allowed to carry guns to school legally....I worry about those kids when there are bears around

[brandonstills]

US Public Education is pathetic compared to other modern industrialized countries. Especially when you consider educational value per dollar spent. Why force taxpayers to pay for a system that doesn't work? Don't reward incompetence. It only allows it to grow.

With vouchers there is competition. Monopolies are only good for the owner of the monopoly. If you don't want to send your kid to religious schools then don't. Likewise don't force others to send their kids to schools that produce more "snowflakes" than well prepared and educated critical thinkers.

And how the hell does it cost $11K a year to educate a student? Use some technology please. The cost of replication in a digital economy approaches $0. You could spend more than all the blockbuster movies combined to make some really engaging multimedia education courses and give students a brand new laptop every year and still be well under $11K per student.

A system that can't properly educate a student for $11K a year needs to die and make way for a system that can.

Hell, you can even get rid of schools altogether and pay students up to $5K a year based on how well they pass the tests and they will probably learn better than with no schools whatsoever. They will form their own tutoring and schools and probably be a hell of a lot better than public education.

Vouchers reward schools that can successfully educate children and punish those that can't.

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by crockett

Republicans have a hard on for using tax payers money to give dumb parents vouchers so they can send their kids to religious schools on the tax payers dime. It's ok to waste and abuse tax payers money as long as it benefits them by dumbing down the population..

Yep they want people to be like johnnyclips and Joshua G. uneducated and easy to control

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by brandonstills

US Public Education is pathetic compared to other modern industrialized countries. Especially when you consider educational value per dollar spent. Why force taxpayers to pay for a system that doesn't work? Don't reward incompetence. It only allows it to grow.

With vouchers there is competition. Monopolies are only good for the owner of the monopoly. If you don't want to send your kid to religious schools then don't. Likewise don't force others to send their kids to schools that produce more "snowflakes" than well prepared and educated critical thinkers.

And how the hell does it cost $11K a year to educate a student? Use some technology please. The cost of replication in a digital economy approaches $0. You could spend more than all the blockbuster movies combined to make some really engaging multimedia education courses and give students a brand new laptop every year and still be well under $11K per student.

A system that can't properly educate a student for $11K a year needs to die and make way for a system that can.

Hell, you can even get rid of schools altogether and pay students up to $5K a year based on how well they pass the tests and they will probably learn better than with no schools whatsoever. They will form their own tutoring and schools and probably be a hell of a lot better than public education.

Vouchers reward schools that can successfully educate children and punish those that can't.

Bullshit.
It's all about funneling tax payer money to private business.
DeVos and her family championed charter schools here in Michigan, most of which are
under performing and no oversight or accountability. Hence when she was asked repeatedly about holding charter schools accountable to minimum standards she kept deflecting the question

[crockett]

Originally Posted by brandonstills

US Public Education is pathetic compared to other modern industrialized countries. Especially when you consider educational value per dollar spent. Why force taxpayers to pay for a system that doesn't work? Don't reward incompetence. It only allows it to grow.

With vouchers there is competition. Monopolies are only good for the owner of the monopoly. If you don't want to send your kid to religious schools then don't. Likewise don't force others to send their kids to schools that produce more "snowflakes" than well prepared and educated critical thinkers.

And how the hell does it cost $11K a year to educate a student? Use some technology please. The cost of replication in a digital economy approaches $0. You could spend more than all the blockbuster movies combined to make some really engaging multimedia education courses and give students a brand new laptop every year and still be well under $11K per student.

A system that can't properly educate a student for $11K a year needs to die and make way for a system that can.

Hell, you can even get rid of schools altogether and pay students up to $5K a year based on how well they pass the tests and they will probably learn better than with no schools whatsoever. They will form their own tutoring and schools and probably be a hell of a lot better than public education.

Vouchers reward schools that can successfully educate children and punish those that can't.

Umm Good sir, no one "forces" you to send your kids to public school. If you don't like public school, then "YOU" can pay for your kid to go to a private school. Just don't expect tax payers to pay for your kid's education at a private school..

Also for the record I went to two different private schools when I was a kid, both being religious, one at least was pretty high rated. Both of these were extremely lacking in their math & science departments. History at both was always over-toned with religious garbage..

Also my Jr High School was a pretty rough school (public) and it was still a better education than either of the 2 private schools. In fact I had to catch up after going to the private schools for 3 years because my math skills weren't up to par and I had a hard time in science as well.

Luckily, I convinced my parents to send me to public schools so I didn't end up like JohnyClips & JoushaMo..

[brandonstills]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

Bullshit.
It's all about funneling tax payer money to private business.
DeVos and her family championed charter schools here in Michigan, most of which are
under performing and no oversight or standards. Hence when she was asked repeatedly about holding charter schools accountable to minimum standards she kept deflecting the question

Agreed. That is definitely a conflict of interest and something to watch out for.

While I don't like the idea of politicians funneling money to their own private business?or their crony friends?funneling it to highly wasteful government education doesn't seem like it is any better.

I think the ultimate goal is to improve education or bring down costs either. The current system seems to be failing so continuing it doesn't make much sense.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result".

However, if those schools do indeed suck, why would parents choose to send their kids there? I'm all for higher standards in education but who gets to decide the standards? Seems like letting parents choose the schools and standards would do a decent job of weeding out the underperformers.

When you let people decide, they are likely to choose the best option for the lowest cost.

When you let government decide, they far too often choose the most expensive option with the least amount of work required of them.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by brandonstills

US Public Education is pathetic compared to other modern industrialized countries. Especially when you consider educational value per dollar spent. Why force taxpayers to pay for a system that doesn't work? Don't reward incompetence. It only allows it to grow.

With vouchers there is competition. Monopolies are only good for the owner of the monopoly. If you don't want to send your kid to religious schools then don't. Likewise don't force others to send their kids to schools that produce more "snowflakes" than well prepared and educated critical thinkers.

And how the hell does it cost $11K a year to educate a student? Use some technology please. The cost of replication in a digital economy approaches $0. You could spend more than all the blockbuster movies combined to make some really engaging multimedia education courses and give students a brand new laptop every year and still be well under $11K per student.

A system that can't properly educate a student for $11K a year needs to die and make way for a system that can.

Hell, you can even get rid of schools altogether and pay students up to $5K a year based on how well they pass the tests and they will probably learn better than with no schools whatsoever. They will form their own tutoring and schools and probably be a hell of a lot better than public education.

Vouchers reward schools that can successfully educate children and punish those that can't.

In Michigan Devos showed her voucher system failed. Or you can look at it as she fails at running a voucher system.

Either way Devos failed and they chose her to take that failed system nationwide . Not to mention she was a sanctimonious bitch, with a superiority complex, when going through confirmation. She reminded me of the evil witch in Harry Potter.

[brandonstills]

Originally Posted by crockett

Umm Good sir, no one "forces" you to send your kids to public school. If you don't like public school, then "YOU" can pay for your kid to go to a private school. Just don't expect tax payers to pay for your kid's education at a private school..

Yes, they actually do. If you can't afford private school and don't want to send them to public school because you think they suck, you could end up in jail. Many states do not allow home schooling and even if they did the parents might not have the resources to do so. With vouchers parents would have a solution.

If you don't want to be forced to pay for private school then why force others to pay for "public" school. People can disagree about which is the better school but whenever you deny people a choice, that's a monopoly, and monopolies tend to result in higher costs and lower quality.

[brandonstills]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

In Michigan Devos showed her voucher system failed. Or you can look at it as she fails at running a voucher system.

Either way Devos failed and they chose her to take that failed system nationwide . Not to mention she was a sanctimonious bitch, with a superiority complex, when going through confirmation. She reminded me of the evil witch in Harry Potter.

I think you might have misread that. It was never tried in Michigan from what I'm reading. The bill to allow vouchers failed, not the voucher system itself.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/...troy_publ.html

The roadblock? Michigan's constitution, which states "No public monies or property shall be appropriated or paid or any public credit utilized... to aid or maintain any private, denominational or other nonpublic, pre-elementary, elementary, or secondary school."

The DeVos family pushed a constitutional change to allow for vouchers in 2000. It failed. But now Michigan educators are worrying Betsy DeVos will take up the issue again in her new position.

And from another article: Michigan is missing out on true school choice

The state constitution, amended in 1970 to block private school funding and upheld by voters in 2000, specifically says vouchers and tax credits for nonpublic schools are out of the question. But some education reform advocates in Michigan are considering a push for the latest school choice innovation: education savings accounts.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by crockett

my math skills weren't up to par and I had a hard time in science as well.

that wasnt your schools fault. you're just dumb as a pet rock. & think your not. thats the comical part.

[brandonstills]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

that wasnt your schools fault. you're just dumb as a pet rock. & think your not. thats the comical part.

Went to public school myself and hated it. It kept getting in the way of me learning.