Congrats everyone 4:30am vote passed to repal part of Obamacare.. This is Demoracy to believe in!!!

[crockett]

Why is it Republicans in Congress can never manage to do anything during daylight hours? They are always sneaking around behind closed doors voting on things out of public eye in the wee hours of the night or mornings. Why are they so scared to do things that will be seen on CSPAN?

Is this the Democracy you want?

Great news though, we are one step closer to Baddog paying 5 times as much as I do for heath insurance. I hope you guys enjoy your ass fucking when you get it.. I expect you will take those new high cost Republicare premiums like a man with no bitching about it.. For the rest of you, I sure hope you don't have any pre-existing conditions or ever get sick for that matter because Republicare is only for profits, you don't expect the insurance companies to actually pay when you get sick do you?

After all this "IS" what you voted for..


All-nighters produce first win for House GOP health care bill as opposition mounts - CBS News

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Obamacare needs to go away ASAP

4:30 am, 7 pm whenever!

[thommy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Obamacare needs to go away ASAP

4:30 am, 7 pm whenever!

yes - and you food, your car, your house and whatever you call prosperity

it will be a party for the world to see you suffering in your own shit

[crockett]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Obamacare needs to go away ASAP

4:30 am, 7 pm whenever!

As usual, you don't pay attention much.. Republicare is pretty much just a more expensive version of Obamacare. They even have built in fines to raise your premium by 30% if you happen to miss a bill due date. I also hope you never get old, because under Repubicare once you reach Baddog's age you will pay 5 times more than a 20 or 30 year old! Yey! (we are talking close to $2k/mth based on current costs)

If you didn't like Obamacare, well Repubicare will cost you even more for less coverage and they are rolling back protections that Obamacare gave you.. Also they are voting to make Medicare great again in the next few days probably at 3am.. By great I mean "less" coverage..

Of course you are just pro-team anyway so they could shit in a cup and you would eat it up!

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by crockett

As usual, you don't pay attention much.. Republicare is pretty much just a more expensive version of Obamacare. They even have built in fines to raise your premium by 30% if you happen to miss a bill due date..

If you didn't like Obamacare, this cost you even more for less coverage and they are rolling back protections that Obamacare gave you..

Of course you are just pro-team anyway so it's all good..

I agree

I don't like either of it. We need government out of healthcare...there should be competition across state lines and they should offer catastrophic insurance to those of all ages, which is all you fucking need. Medication, pills, your vagina, etc is not fucking "healthcare"

[MK Ultra]

...They tried unsuccessfully to insert language pressuring Mr. Trump to release his income tax returns,

This is the kind of government we will always have as long as it is controlled by the two parties, infighting over substance.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by crockett

great news though, we are one step closer to baddog paying 5 times as much as i do for heath insurance.

oh snap no you didn't.

[directfiesta]

Why should americans have affordable healthcare....???

After all, americans are exceptional and should pay exceptional prices

[Rochard]

I so do not understand what is happening right now.... For six years Republicans have been complaining about the costs of Obamacare. Their solution is to make healthcare A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE?

LOL. I didn't vote for these fuckers.

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Why are so many americans sick and going to the doctors anyways?

[woj]

it's not making it "more expensive", the cost is the same as it has always been... the only detail that is changing is that subsidies are getting reduced for some... so while YOU will likely pay more, someone else will pay less...

the whole thing was bs to begin with, half the population was paying way more, so the other half can pay less... it did nothing at all to reduce costs, all it did was fuck over one half for the benefit of the other half...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I so do not understand what is happening right now.... For six years Republicans have been complaining about the costs of Obamacare. Their solution is to make healthcare A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE?

LOL. I didn't vote for these fuckers.

No see they are finally working for the younger people. They have finally realized that the old er generations the GI's, the Silent's and the boomers have fucked over GenX & the Millennials for years.

In fact still today they are trying to fuck our generations by trying to control politics with a 70 year old president and old fucks in Congress. These earlier generations had their day and reaped their profits giving us younger ones the shaft by not moving out of the way to let us move up as every previous generation did before them. They got too greedy..

Republicans in congress are now trying to level the playing field and finally make the old farts pay their fair share for fucking everything up and trying to leave us with their fucking messes... Paying 5 times the insurance cost as us younger bucks is just a small price TBH.. I support this logic! These old fucks had the most prosperous times in American history to reap their profits, they need to pay up now.


Fucking Donald Trump is the oldest person to enter the presidency out of every president in the US.. Why do people vote for fucking old senile geezers? Even Reagan was only 69 when he entered the office and look at him he had alzheimers by his end.. Hell it's no wonder Trump is so fucking crazy, he's senile. He should be fucking retired, it's no wonder he keeps coming to FL every fucking weekend..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._States_by_age

[poncabare]

it shouldnt be ran by the govt. should be an open marketplace

[AndyA]

will not pass... they will end up repealing perhaps but no new plan will be enacted... 1000% guaranteed

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by crockett

No see they are finally working for the younger people. They have finally realized that the old er generations the GI's, the Silent's and the boomers have fucked over GenX & the Millennials for years.

In fact still today they are trying to fuck our generations by trying to control politics with a 70 year old president and old fucks in Congress. These earlier generations had their day and reaped their profits giving us younger ones the shaft by not moving out of the way to let us move up as every previous generation did before them. They got too greedy..

Republicans in congress are now trying to level the playing field and finally make the old farts pay their fair share for fucking everything up and trying to leave us with their fucking messes... Paying 5 times the insurance cost as us younger bucks is just a small price TBH.. I support this logic! These old fucks had the most prosperous times in American history to reap their profits, they need to pay up now.


Fucking Donald Trump is the oldest person to enter the presidency out of every president in the US.. Why do people vote for fucking old senile geezers? Even Reagan was only 69 when he entered the office and look at him he had alzheimers by his end.. Hell it's no wonder Trump is so fucking crazy, he's senile. He should be fucking retired, it's no wonder he keeps coming to FL every fucking weekend..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._States_by_age

Hillary is a whopping one year younger than Trump, you baffoon!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by crockett

Great news though, we are one step closer to Baddog paying 5 times as much as I do for heath insurance.

Actually, I pay zero for health insurance and it is no longer being forced on me, so zero is where it shall remain.

Nice try

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

Actually, I pay zero for health insurance and it is no longer being forced on me, so zero is where it shall remain.

Nice try

They are also working hard to take away medicare benefits.. It's part of all this I hope you know.. If it's VA benefits, whelp, they want to hit those too.. You know by cutting funding which reduces staff which means long waits..

[AndyA]

The poor and disabled are the ones going to get the most fucked...

they aren't going to replace it with anything.. it's impossible to agree to something like that.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

They are also working hard to take away medicare benefits.. It's part of all this I hope you know.. If it's VA benefits, whelp, they want to hit those too.. You know by cutting funding which reduces staff which means long waits..

Baddog is saying he doesn't have health insurance, thus he pays zero for insurance. The mandate doesn't exist so he's not forced to have it now, and he doesn't want health insurance so "zero is where it shall remain.".

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Baddog is saying he doesn't have insurance, thus he pays zero for insurance.

If he's 65 he should get Medicare, but if he served in the military he can also use the VA. We already have 2 systems of socialized single payer healthcare systems in this country, but not for everyone..

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Who cares about the poor and elderly?

[directfiesta]

what is the problem ?

[wehateporn]

If you get sick just buy some natural pills from infowars or natural news, much cheaper than obamacare

Trump is doing what the voters wanted, bringing back freedom, this is democracy in action removing Obama's corrupt system, the swamp is being drained

[Sly]

Originally Posted by AndyA

The poor and disabled are the ones going to get the most fucked...

they aren't going to replace it with anything.. it's impossible to agree to something like that.

The poor and disabled need to be taken care of in a program that does not slaughter the other 80% of America with bills 3 times higher than what they were prior.

Excessively taxing the majority (middle-class) to take care of the minority (poor and disabled) has always been destined for failure. The middle class has always agreed, those outside of the middle class have disagreed. Funny how it still got pushed through way back when...

My insurance this year is 3 times the price it was 2 years ago. I have one network of clinics to choose from, as opposed to five 2 years ago. Things will only get worse. The program was a nightmare from the get-go.

[Barry-xlovecam]

You think the 62 year old Walmart greeter will get company paid health insurance?
Maybe, if the Trumplicans repeal the minimum wage law and they can pay the greeter $4.25 /hr.

[C H R I S]

America will get sicker and sicker.

Millions will be uninsured.

GOP could give two shits as long as they and their cronies get paid.

Healthcare: Where do members of Congress get their coverage? - LA Times

[Bladewire]

^^ Truth

[crockett]

Originally Posted by woj

it's not making it "more expensive", the cost is the same as it has always been... the only detail that is changing is that subsidies are getting reduced for some... so while YOU will likely pay more, someone else will pay less...

the whole thing was bs to begin with, half the population was paying way more, so the other half can pay less... it did nothing at all to reduce costs, all it did was fuck over one half for the benefit of the other half...

Do you not realize the Republicare works the exact same but allows insurance companies the ability to charge a 5 to 1 ratio.. The five being the cost for elderly or high risk will be charged 5 times as much as the lowest..

That most certainly is "raising" the cost. Obamacare currently allows 3 to 1 ratio.

The entire point of large pool Heathcote plans is to spread the cost over lots of peoplease so the prices even out.

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Who cares about the poor?

[Smack dat]

Americans are so fucking stupid. Just take out private heath care and stop worrying about it. If you don't get it free like in the UK then you are going to have to pay. You either choose the government or you go private.

[pimpmaster9000]

but but but you voted trump and he said he would drain the swamp and MAGA and shit?...how? HOW?

kanye 2020 <---mark my words!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by crockett

They are also working hard to take away medicare benefits.. It's part of all this I hope you know.. If it's VA benefits, whelp, they want to hit those too.. You know by cutting funding which reduces staff which means long waits..

I don't go to see doctors; I have no wait either.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Baddog is saying he doesn't have health insurance, thus he pays zero for insurance. The mandate doesn't exist so he's not forced to have it now, and he doesn't want health insurance so "zero is where it shall remain.".

Precisely

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by baddog

Precisely

I feel you. Its a bullshit ripoff

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by baddog

Precisely

They got rid of the penalty tax for not having it?

[Robbie]

The 4:30 a.m.. vote was because they actually worked for once:
"In epic sessions that began Wednesday morning, Ways and Means worked till nearly 4:30 a.m. EST before approving the final batch of tax provisions in a party-line 23-16 vote."

That's from CBS News by the way. I only post liberal-biased news organizations to keep the snowflakes happy.
All-nighters produce first win for House GOP health care bill as opposition mounts - CBS News

And contrary to the title of this thread...it didn't matter if they did the vote at 4:30 a.m. or 1 p.m.
The Republicans hold the big majority in Congress. They could pass that at any time day or night and there isn't a thing the Democrats can do about it.
Just the way the Democrats did in 2009 with ObamaCare. (except the Democrats didn't even get to READ their bill)

The way the title of this thread reads...it insinuates that they snuck around to do it.

NO.
The session started the morning before and they worked round the clock on it. Both Democrats (who all voted against it) and Republicans (who all voted for it).

Everyone was there, and everyone knew what was happening and it was covered closely by the media.

Whether you like what they did or didn't like what they did...that's the FACTS.

[Robbie]

By the way...here are some LONG Senate sessions from history that sometimes ended in the middle of the night as well:

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/re...t_Sessions.htm

"Selective" memory, ignorance, and unwillingness to simply google up FACTS before posting are rampant on this forum these days.

[woj]

Originally Posted by crockett

Do you not realize the Republicare works the exact same but allows insurance companies the ability to charge a 5 to 1 ratio.. The five being the cost for elderly or high risk will be charged 5 times as much as the lowest..

That most certainly is "raising" the cost. Obamacare currently allows 3 to 1 ratio.

The entire point of large pool Heathcote plans is to spread the cost over lots of peoplease so the prices even out.

"prices even out"? there is nothing to "even out", if the healthcare of elderly or high risk costs 5x, they should pay 5x... if they actually pay 3x like they did under Obamacare, then it means that someone younger/healthier subsidizes their healthcare to the tune of $1000s/year, which for about half the population doesn't sound appealing at all...

all this subsidizing obscures the core of the problem, that healthcare costs are high, and that the focus of the debate should be on putting measures in place to lower costs rather than discussing how we can fuck some to subsidize others...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by woj

"prices even out"? there is nothing to "even out", if the healthcare of elderly or high risk costs 5x, they should pay 5x... if they actually pay 3x like they did under Obamacare, then it means that someone younger/healthier subsidizes their healthcare to the tune of $1000s/year, which for about half the population doesn't sound appealing at all...

The 64+ generation has fucked our country now they want our generation to let them have the Medicare that my generation won't get because it's bankrupt, because of them.

The last generation needs to pay the piper. We don't get Medicaid/Medicare because it will be gone and they have to pay their fair share for bankrupting our country and totally fucking my generations future up

[Barry-xlovecam]

Trumplican Dontcare making Insurance Plans Rich Again.

20% or more of the drivers in this county are uninsured -- they are the most wreckless or the financially poorest drivers.

When insurance is just based on driving record or wealth the insured end up paying more. Assuming we don't leave people on the street to die someone will have to pay the medical expenses of the uninsured. Guess who pays: You do one way or another -- enjoy your pyretic victory

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

The 64+ generation has fucked our country now they want our generation to let them have the Medicare that my generation won't get because it's bankrupt, because of them.

The last generation needs to pay the piper. We don't get Medicaid/Medicare because it will be gone and they have to pay their fair share for bankrupting our country and totally fucking my generations future up

Bladewire...you are mistaken. NOBODY fucked "your generation".

People in their 60's were living under the same corrupt bullshit in Washington D.C. as you have.

The lifetime politician/bureaucrats that the media wants to stay in power forever are the ones who spent all that money and put in debt.
Not the actual citizens.

You're falling prey to more of Washington D.C.'s establishment's divisiveness.

Pit the rich vs. the poor. Pit the whites vs the blacks. Pit the young vs. the old.

Meanwhile...the establishment gets richer and richer.
I saw everyone today in another thread talking about how great it is that Obama is getting 65 million for a book that will never make that money back for it's publisher.

One day, when you smarten up to the ways of the world...you'll realize that that 65 million is just money that was funneled to Obama. The book deal is just a way to make it look legit.

And it's not just Obama. Hillary put out her book which sold horribly...and she got millions in advance for that one too.

All of them do it. They funnel money to their cronies while in power and then get repaid with "Book Deals" and "Speech fees".

Meanwhile...the actual PEOPLE of this country have gotten completely fucked.

You're so busy screaming about Trump (who just took office a month and a half ago), and not paying any attention to the actual people who have been fucking our country over for decades.