This is getting way too scary for the United States

[GAMEFINEST]

If you like your freedom, vote 2018 Dems, or else Watch as Putin brings his sexiness to the United States.

You think Trump won't change some laws that effects as all? Wait til it happens and laws are pro russian.

I am a Democrat but I wish Romney was president now. This is bat shit crazy.

I might need to go to Thailand and hang out with DWB or some other Ex pats!

[ghjghj]

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by ghjghj

Id fuck it

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Id fuck it

You do that

[onwebcam]

You can join the rest of your useful idiots and call for war with Russia.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST

If you like your freedom, vote 2018 Dems, or else Watch as Putin brings his sexiness to the United States.

You think Trump won't change some laws that effects as all? Wait til it happens and laws are pro russian.

I am a Democrat but I wish Romney was president now. This is bat shit crazy.

I might need to go to Thailand and hang out with DWB or some other Ex pats!

[thommy]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You can join the rest of your useful idiots and call for war with Russia.

what a bullshit.

you seems to missunderstand that you ARE in a war with russia. a war where all your 750 million military spendings per year did not help you because it is a war between small and big brain and big brain won it already.

do you actually know what you want? on the one hand there is scolding about europe because we are trading peacefully with the russians but we are not going into dependence - on the other hand trump kneels before putin and puts america at his feet.

are you really all that blind or just so stupid?

[MindWaste]

Originally Posted by ghjghj

You do that

She came far from way back in Night Mare on Elm Street..

[DraX]

Originally Posted by thommy

what a bullshit.

you seems to missunderstand that you ARE in a war with russia. a war where all your 750 million military spendings per year did not help you because it is a war between small and big brain and big brain won it already.

do you actually know what you want? on the one hand there is scolding about europe because we are trading peacefully with the russians but we are not going into dependence - on the other hand trump kneels before putin and puts america at his feet.

are you really all that blind or just so stupid?

^^^ Self proclaimed expert in neuroscience, likes to talk about brains, IQ and intelligence.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by thommy

we are trading peacefully with the russians but we are not going into dependence

What would you do come winter without russian gas?

[Tasty1]

There is no peacyfully trade with Russia. The EU gave them sanctions regarding Crimea etcetra and Russia just renewed the sanctions against the EU. Russia adapted and producing more things themselves. With the new pipeline Russia will be making more money.

On one hand people say Putin put Trump in power and that it is very very very bad they say. On the other hand they are more eager to make money with Russia. If it is all true it means, Putin put Trump in power cause he saw that that could be the best way to stop sanctions and build a pipeline. But now there is the problem that Germany wants the pipeline, but the don't want Trump. But now Trump is doing exactly what the Germans and Russians want. He was less negative about the pipeline And again it is bad? Can't they just make up their mind.

And than we forget about Crimea. The EU never cared about that. Excepts some populist like Guy Verhofstadt. If the Russians didn't take action, it would be a civil war. Germany doesn't for sure care about Crimea. They will be banking on the pipeline and Ukrain will lose that income. The relations with Russia (money money) are more important that of the poor Ukrain. And in the end the EU tax payer will pay for it to make 'Ukrain ready for the EU". A sort of compensation for the pipleine. While nobody wants the Ukrain to join the EU.

It will be a matter of time when more shits will come up. At least it is easy to discover the ties between Russia and German politicians, Putin openly has them in the pocket.

So is Putin a friend or enemy? If he was involved in the USA elections and made Trump president, shouldn't we all stand right behind the USA and against Russia? I think so. Or not; the USA has faked many elections themselves. But when the shit hits the fan, it will spread further. So see what comes next

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

So is Putin a friend or enemy?

pooty is our friend

[The Porn Nerd]

Russians care about one thing only: Russians.

Our only hope? Russians are drunk, incompetent geniuses who are too smart for their own good. They cannot stand success or winning because deep down they have such low self-esteem that they do not believe their "victories" and therefore keep fighting endlessly until they pass out drunk and desperate.

In other words, Russians will self-destruct. Just wait.

[Rochard]

This is getting scary. Some people believe in Trump like a cult. What's going to happen when he gets impeached?

[klinton]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Russians are drunk, incompetent geniuses who are too smart for their own good. They cannot stand success or winning because deep down they have such low self-esteem that they do not believe their "victories" and therefore keep fighting endlessly until they pass out drunk and desperate.

In other words, Russians will self-destruct. Just wait.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

What would you do come winter without russian gas?

1. the EU and germany have very big stocks in gas (up to 10 month without problems)
2. the share of gas in the total energy in Germany is 12,4 %
3. you obviously don´t realize that the planed pipeline gives also other countries
like norway an additional option to deliver gas in it.

so don't worry before the germans would freeze to death, the russians would be broke because they need these gas supplies more than germany does.

[wehateporn]

If the Dems don't want Trump in charge, they have to first offer a viable alternative, so far that hasn't happened

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by thommy

1. the EU and germany have very big stocks in gas (up to 10 month without problems)
2. the share of gas in the total energy in Germany is 12,4 %
3. you obviously don´t realize that the planed pipeline gives also other countries
like norway an additional option to deliver gas in it.

so don't worry before the germans would freeze to death, the russians would be broke because they need these gas supplies more than germany does.

1) Great - but what happens after 10 months?
2) For *energy* yes - most of energy in germany is nuclear, wind, etc. but houses are heated with gas for the most part and 60-70% of the gas comes from Russia. I have gas heater in house too, I can't suddenly heat house with electricity without buying electric heaters.
3) No one will build gas pipeline in 10 months

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

so don't worry before the germans would freeze to death, the russians would be broke because they need these gas supplies more than germany does.

And therefor Germany sets aside relationships with other EU countries and dividing them. And if Trump would be elected cause Russians influenced the elections Gerrmany doesn't matter also.

Why does Germany all this conflicting problems, while you say it is just 12,4%? Built a nuclear plant and stop that pipleine and everybody is happy. Or is that too simple?

If Trump get impeached cause of Russian influence in the elections you can be sure that pipeline will be gone. And that the EU will invest more in protecting the EU borders.

If Germany has any sense, they would drop the pipeline for now. But i think there are more Russian Puppets if Trump is the Puppet.

For now it is:

Russia - EU : 2 - 0
Russia - USA: 2 - 0

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

There is no peacyfully trade with Russia. The EU gave them sanctions regarding Crimea etcetra and Russia just renewed the sanctions against the EU. Russia adapted and producing more things themselves. With the new pipeline Russia will be making more money.

before you use the crimea thing as an argument let´s have a look into that and see if WE ALL can agree this was a crime.

1. the crimea was given as a present to ukraine in a time when ukraine belonged to the soviet union.

2. there was nothing like an "annection" of crimea. people there have elected for it.

3. as the NATO is constantly moving it´s military power nearer to the russian border and crimea is at a very important strategic point can crimea be about to be or not be for russia in the event of war. so this is exactly the same logic as the one that triggered the Cuban crisis in 1962 when fidel castro wanted to give his allies the opportunity to deploy nuclear missiles in cuba.

so why is exactly the same thing right on one side and wrong on the other?
you have to look at things neutrally if you want to come to a really objective opinion

[nico-t]

jesus. I never expected this russia boogyman propaganda would still have such an effect on some people. Incredible. The media managed to plant a non existent threat in your head to the point you actually seem to worry about it and are inclined to even create a thread about it. Your worries are completely artificial, created by the people who run the mainstream media and they're systematically injecting this fake 'bad guy' inside your mind every single day. You fell for it so you have a very weak mind. Alarming and i hope you will eventually snap out of it in your lifetime.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by thommy

what a bullshit.

you seems to missunderstand that you ARE in a war with russia. a war where all your 750 million military spendings per year did not help you because it is a war between small and big brain and big brain won it already.

do you actually know what you want? on the one hand there is scolding about europe because we are trading peacefully with the russians but we are not going into dependence - on the other hand trump kneels before putin and puts america at his feet.

are you really all that blind or just so stupid?

He's not.. he's a traitor supporter..

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

before you use the crimea thing as an argument let´s have a look into that and see if WE ALL can agree this was a crime.

1. the crimea was given as a present to ukraine in a time when ukraine belonged to the soviet union.

2. there was nothing like an "annection" of crimea. people there have elected for it.

3. as the NATO is constantly moving it´s military power nearer to the russian border and crimea is at a very important strategic point can crimea be about to be or not be for russia in the event of war. so this is exactly the same logic as the one that triggered the Cuban crisis in 1962 when fidel castro wanted to give his allies the opportunity to deploy nuclear missiles in cuba.

so why is exactly the same thing right on one side and wrong on the other?
you have to look at things neutrally if you want to come to a really objective opinion

I am looking at those things. I already said years ago that it Russia wouldn't have done anything it would be a new Yugoslavia with many deads. But the EU leaders looked at it different, as you did. Remember Verhofstadt screaming how he would help the Ukrain and that the people of Ukrain won...lol .... I said they would be fucked by Europe. When there was a referendum in Holland about Ukrain, people voted against it. But the EU and Dutch government didn't like it and ignored it. And the EU said the elections in Crimea where fraud.

Are you now changing your mind? Or just dropping another view? Did the EU wrong? You defended Merkel all the time.

"Angela Merkel: Russia 'will not get away' with annexation of Crimea
The German Chancellor's tough message underlines how America and the EU have agreed a joint response to Ukraine crisis " 12 Mar 2014

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel compared the annexation of the Crimea to divided Germany"

I just pinned out that the politicians in the EU say other things than they are acting like. Or they are just stupid while everyone could see it coming. Merkel don't see it coming and dividing countries. I now even wonder what double agenda she could have. Same with the migrant crisis, for years people said we must stop it. But didn't listen. And now you can see a more divided EU and the Walls are built (and working).

I didn't change my views on things. Goes exactly how i thought it would go. For Germany i think you better hope Trump stays in charge than that he is impeacehd cause of Russian connections. I have the idea when that happen that there will be much much more spent on securing EU borders and much much more sanctions will follow for the EU. And if Merkel than keeps hammering she wants a pipeline, she will be accused of a Russian Puppet that want to destroy the USA and approves of Russia influencing the USA elections.

For Germany it would be perfect if Trump becomes more friendly with Russia. But than he has Obama, Clinton and maybe the people on his neck, accusing him with Russian ties. Like many people do already... So there is a stand-off at this moment.

I think Trump will figure something out. And if he doesn't, he just sent a new tweet where he changes his opinion. Just like Merkel does.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by nico-t

jesus. I never expected this russia boogyman propaganda would still have such an effect on some people. Incredible. The media managed to plant a non existent threat in your head to the point you actually seem to worry about it and are inclined to even create a thread about it. Your worries are completely artificial, created by the people who run the mainstream media and they're systematically injecting this fake 'bad guy' inside your mind every single day. You fell for it so you have a very weak mind. Alarming and i hope you will eventually snap out of it in your lifetime.

No matter how you look at it, the Russians interfered with our election on multiple levels. They put in a huge amount of effort into this. We most likely know a lot less than the people investigating this, and even then there is still going to be things we didn't catch. They hacked the DNC, the RNC, and election data in multiple states. We also know they they put considerable effort into influence by buying ads on Facebook, fake Twitter accounts; There is most likely a lot of other things we don't yet know about.

There is still a lot the public hasn't been told.

In the past forty-eight hours they arrested a Russian "student" who has heavy ties with the NRA. The NRA is heavily a Republican organization. This is a much bigger story than we understand right now. Mariia Butina, 29, works for Alexander Torshin. He is Chairman of the Federation Council (of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation). He is a Russian politician. But wait, it gets MUCH better. Aleksandr Torshin met with Trump Jr. in 2016. Then factor in the NRA donated a lot of money to the Trump campaign - A LOT more money than they normally do. You can guess exactly where that money came from.... That money came from Russia, and Alexander Torshin and Mariia Butina were directly working with the Trump Campaign.

Jeff Sessions is guilty as sin too. Oddly enough he met with the Russian ambassador three times in private. Think about this for a moment... When someone who is a Congressman or a Senator meets with someone who represents a foreign government, they are briefed in advance by the State Department and sometimes the CIA. After the meeting, they are debriefed. In this case, Jeff Sessions met with the Russian ambassador without telling anyone in advance, and then failed to tell anyone about the meetings afterwards. He claims the meetings involved his work on the Committee on Armed Services, but he is the only one from the Committee on Armed Services who meet with the Russian ambassador, and he never told anyone about these meetings. Then he lied about it under oath. I'm sorry, but this is treason.

Every time we turn around there are secret meetings and secret connections with Russians. When questioned about them, the Trump people lie about them. The entire election was suspect from the beginning, but the more we look the more we find.

Do you honestly meant to tell me the Trump campaign was desperately looking for a connection with the Russian government, and the Russian government was desperately seeking a connection to the Trump campaign, and it never happened?

Bullshit. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but it's pretty obvious something is wrong here.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

I am looking at those things. I already said years ago that it Russia wouldn't have done anything it would be a new Yugoslavia with many deads. But the EU leaders looked at it different, as you did. Remember Verhofstadt screaming how he would help the Ukrain and that the people of Ukrain won...lol .... I said they would be fucked by Europe. When there was a referendum in Holland about Ukrain, people voted against it. But the EU and Dutch government didn't like it and ignored it. And the EU said the elections in Crimea where fraud.

the "fraud" at crimea was that they use glass ballot boxes and the ballot papers are not in envelopes. the point is: THIS is usual all over Ukraine !
there's suspicion of electoral fraud but no evidence. and as long as that's so i'd keep it the way it should have been kept with saddam's chemical weapons.

Are you now changing your mind? Or just dropping another view? Did the EU wrong? You defended Merkel all the time.

you know me - i am not in any ideological corner.
I can be in one case pro and in other cases contra. to be honest - if I would have to vote in Germany now I would not even know for WHOM I should vote because there are good arguments on every side.
and if we leave this "they are nazis" out of the discussion I would even find a little truth
in the concerns of the far right party. they just don´t have the solutions and there arguments might sound logic but they are against existing laws.

"Angela Merkel: Russia 'will not get away' with annexation of Crimea
The German Chancellor's tough message underlines how America and the EU have agreed a joint response to Ukraine crisis " 12 Mar 2014

what else shall she say?
she will be the very last thinking in using military power and this is what I appreciate on her.

I just pinned out that the politicians in the EU say other things than they are acting like. Or they are just stupid while everyone could see it coming. Merkel don't see it coming and dividing countries. I now even wonder what double agenda she could have. Same with the migrant crisis, for years people said we must stop it. But didn't listen. And now you can see a more divided EU and the Walls are built (and working).

this is nothing new - it is in every system like that and it might be even more complicated in the EU.

the EU is a great idea but the big mistake they make there is that they do not give equal freedom to the people but try to collect every stupid interdictive instead.
at this point we both are 100% at the same line.
but rome wasn´t build in a day. look the united states - they are still not on the same line after all this centuries.

I didn't change my views on things. Goes exactly how i thought it would go. For Germany i think you better hope Trump stays in charge than that he is impeacehd cause of Russian connections. I have the idea when that happen that there will be much much more spent on securing EU borders and much much more sanctions will follow for the EU. And if Merkel than keeps hammering she wants a pipeline, she will be accused of a Russian Puppet that want to destroy the USA and approves of Russia influencing the USA elections.

what you and trump voters still don´t get is that we spend much more than the fucking 2% in piece and freedom instead of wars.

we are not afraid from Russia but we also don´t see them as our biggest enemy.

the EU and the NATO are enemies of putin and this is why he wants to destroy it.
and with an idiot in the white house and people who follow his perfide propaganda
he will win this game. unfortunately he is smarter than all of them together and he will eat trump for breakfast.

For Germany it would be perfect if Trump becomes more friendly with Russia. But than he has Obama, Clinton and maybe the people on his neck, accusing him with Russian ties. Like many people do already... So there is a stand-off at this moment.

for Germany and the rest of the world it would be better if everyone becomes more friendly with each other. this would make cyber wars and influence on the elections in other countries completely superfluous.
we could concentrade on trades and keep our planet clean.
we could work in alternative energies what would be good for all mankind and we would have MUCH to do for the next 100 generations with that.

we would not need to waste brain and materials in producing weapons what are made for killing life and destroying the planet.

I think Trump will figure something out. And if he doesn't, he just sent a new tweet where he changes his opinion. Just like Merkel does.

WRONG - she never changed her mind but she is smart enough to understand at what point she have to give up.

just look at this bavarian solo effort. seehofer has "pushed through" something against merkel for which there is no basis at all and which cannot be implemented at all.

merkel wanted nothing else - but in a european solution.

seehofer has now succeeded in sending asylum applicants who are already registered in another country back there. and the right-wing community is cheering.
now after his "victory" he has to realize that the other EU countries do not take them back because there is no EU regulation for it. and now? WHO was right in the end?

slowly this nonsensical plan of seehofer becomes clear to everyone who has not understood it before. and even in his own party they call for his resignation.
why does it have to come to this?
why does one first have to implement something that cannot be implemented so that even the last idiot can see how stupid the idea was?

merkel made only ONE big mistake in this whole situation. she believed that all countries keep their promises and signed contracts.

You can interpret that as a weakness - I call it "standing by your given word".

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

what you and trump voters still don´t get is that we spend much more than the fucking 2% in piece and freedom instead of wars.

we are not afraid from Russia but we also don´t see them as our biggest enemy.

the EU and the NATO are enemies of putin and this is why he wants to destroy it.
and with an idiot in the white house and people who follow his perfide propaganda
he will win this game. unfortunately he is smarter than all of them together and he will eat trump for breakfast.

WRONG - she never changed her mind but she is smart enough to understand at what point she have to give up.

just look at this bavarian solo effort. seehofer has "pushed through" something against merkel for which there is no basis at all and which cannot be implemented at all.

merkel wanted nothing else - but in a european solution.

seehofer has now succeeded in sending asylum applicants who are already registered in another country back there. and the right-wing community is cheering.
now after his "victory" he has to realize that the other EU countries do not take them back because there is no EU regulation for it. and now? WHO was right in the end?

slowly this nonsensical plan of seehofer becomes clear to everyone who has not understood it before. and even in his own party they call for his resignation.
why does it have to come to this?
why does one first have to implement something that cannot be implemented so that even the last idiot can see how stupid the idea was?

merkel made only ONE big mistake in this whole situation. she believed that all countries keep their promises and signed contracts.

You can interpret that as a weakness - I call it "standing by your given word".

I rather spent less than 2%. But like i said, the Dutch army is in terrible condition. OR they invest more, OR they must stop some tasks. But it looks they only take more tasks. Now Trump put pressure on it. Holland won't invest more immedeatly. But you can be sure that when the dutch politicians talk about the army, they will spent more. Now they Always used money from the army to fill other holes.

Rutte said already years ago we must help te refugees in their surrounding countries and filter the economic 'refugees' out. - The Racist ;) But Holland is small, the EU didn't want to listen. Just like the national party's in Holland. And now look, as last hope/option it is now being tried out. Cause everybody knew for years that countries didn't want the "pharmacists from Aleppo". They call them Pharmacists cause the government in Holland was Always saying the Syrian where all high classed workers, pharmacistst and dentist that we realy needed... hahaha.. So Merkel divided the countries and the countries knew the would lose elections if thet followed the EU stance on immigration. But she did anyway. Right wing parties came up very fast recent years. Even a point in the Brexit... So Merkel screwed up big time.

I hate to say it, but for the EU Rutte would be the best president. He Always denied that he wanted. Keeping up his show that he wasn't in favour of the EU (while everybody knows he is a europhile). Even Wilders en Baudet said everytime that Rutte was only preparing to become the next EU president.

And now Merkel wants more spending on military because of Crimea. But she don't mind, she pays that out of her left pocket while the Russian pipeline money fills her right pocket.

I predict that Merkel will stop, Rutte will be president of the EU, Trump will stay in power and become more friendly with Russia. That might be one of the win-win cases. And Putin facilitated it.

And i am in favor of leaving the refugees in Germany. Many countries where building walls and saying they didn't want them. Tried to force them, but they didn't listen and countries like Italy choose to vote for a party that didn't support that deal. She should have said 'wir schaffen das' and make pictures with refugees like an invetation to a bgig party.

Like you said, Russian might want to crack EU and Nato. The EU has a big part in that. The EU critics pointed it out many times; don't try to let Turkey join EU, don't let Ukrain join EU, stop letting all those poor former Russian states in the EU, slow it down. Didn't listen. And now we have this stand off and a Brexit. I saw it coming. And if the politics keep forcing more EU, there will be more to come. Read a German foreign Minister wants more EU cause we can't trust Trump he said... Well, the people in the EU doesn't trust the EU politicians, so better step on the brakes.

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No matter how you look at it, the Russians interfered with our election on multiple levels.

How many elections has the US interfered with over the years?

[BaldBastard]

Russia has already attacked the USA and they used weapons more powerful than any Atomic weapon.

[RedFred]

Trump University is reopening so you Trump supporters can learn Russian.

BTW, Putin does not allow guns in his society, so live with that Trumpanzees

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You can join the rest of your useful idiots and call for war with Russia.

interesting use of term you got there. If you knew how it used with regards to intelligence agencies you may question your current allegiance...

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Russians care about one thing only: Russians.

Our only hope? Russians are drunk, incompetent geniuses who are too smart for their own good. They cannot stand success or winning because deep down they have such low self-esteem that they do not believe their "victories" and therefore keep fighting endlessly until they pass out drunk and desperate.

In other words, Russians will self-destruct. Just wait.

Try not to confuse a nations people with a nations leaders. More so in one run by a dictatorship. They are rarely the same.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

interesting use of term you got there. If you knew how it used with regards to intelligence agencies you may question your current allegiance...

I know exactly what I said.


Putin’s Attack on the U.S. Is Our Pearl Harbor

Make no mistake: Hacking the 2016 election was an act of war. It’s time we responded accordingly.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-harbor-219015


Let us bow our heads and take a moment to remember all those that died when the DNC server was attacked.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST

If you like your freedom, vote 2018 Dems, or else Watch as Putin brings his sexiness to the United States.

You think Trump won't change some laws that effects as all? Wait til it happens and laws are pro russian.

I am a Democrat but I wish Romney was president now. This is bat shit crazy.

I might need to go to Thailand and hang out with DWB or some other Ex pats!

Sadly, you are right.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Try not to confuse a nations people with a nations leaders. More so in one run by a dictatorship. They are rarely the same.

There are always exceptions whenever someone (including me) uses generalities, like "all" or "every".

(Except the Russkies on this board, they are ALL Putin tools and Trump fools. LOL)

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No matter how you look at it, the Russians interfered with our election on multiple levels.

"There's no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections." -Barak O-bomb-ya, 10/18/2016

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

merkel made only ONE big mistake in this whole situation. she believed that all countries keep their promises and signed contracts.

You can interpret that as a weakness - I call it "standing by your given word".

This is a part of what the Dutch foreign minister today said. And a lot more negatives about immigration, he maybe will have to go. It is Blok from the VVD (Rutte);

"Blok does not expect that agreements can still be made within the European Union, that every country will accept the same number of refugees". The redistribution of asylum seekers splits the EU Member States. Eastern European countries such as Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland are particularly opposed to this.

Even if Eastern Europe does agree, migrants will "have no life," according to the minister, but in Warsaw or Prague there are no colored people at all, "these people are gone within a week. beaten. "

"The meeting covered issues such as xenophobia and fear of migrants. Blok says he does not know a country with a multicultural or multi-ethnic society where people live together peacefully. According to him, a community is "fast against the borders" when it comes to migration, and he spoke via a video link to the approximately eighty people present."

----

https://www.msn.com/nl-nl/nieuws/bin...cid=spartanntp

That merkel thought the countries that signed had approvel from their voters was wrong. Many people knew that. Only the first few months where willing to help, 1 year later there was a majority in Holland already that wanted it to stop.

I think Merkel should have stepped aside. She will do more things wrong, her time is up. Or is the job at Gazprom only available if she stays 4 more years ;)

[Phoenix]

Bob marley, walking like you talking...give it away give it away give it away give it away now

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Manfap

How many elections has the US interfered with over the years?

Tons ... and they will continue , no doubt ...

But the issue here is a compromised president , controled by Russia .....

The rest is of no concern ... like the USA controling the president of Ukraine ... That should be a problem for UKRANIANS ....

[Acepimp]

You (clueless) people crack me up

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No matter how you look at it, the Russians interfered with our election on multiple levels. They put in a huge amount of effort into this. We most likely know a lot less than the people investigating this, and even then there is still going to be things we didn't catch. They hacked the DNC, the RNC, and election data in multiple states. We also know they they put considerable effort into influence by buying ads on Facebook, fake Twitter accounts; There is most likely a lot of other things we don't yet know about.

There is still a lot the public hasn't been told.

In the past forty-eight hours they arrested a Russian "student" who has heavy ties with the NRA. The NRA is heavily a Republican organization. This is a much bigger story than we understand right now. Mariia Butina, 29, works for Alexander Torshin. He is Chairman of the Federation Council (of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation). He is a Russian politician. But wait, it gets MUCH better. Aleksandr Torshin met with Trump Jr. in 2016. Then factor in the NRA donated a lot of money to the Trump campaign - A LOT more money than they normally do. You can guess exactly where that money came from.... That money came from Russia, and Alexander Torshin and Mariia Butina were directly working with the Trump Campaign.

Jeff Sessions is guilty as sin too. Oddly enough he met with the Russian ambassador three times in private. Think about this for a moment... When someone who is a Congressman or a Senator meets with someone who represents a foreign government, they are briefed in advance by the State Department and sometimes the CIA. After the meeting, they are debriefed. In this case, Jeff Sessions met with the Russian ambassador without telling anyone in advance, and then failed to tell anyone about the meetings afterwards. He claims the meetings involved his work on the Committee on Armed Services, but he is the only one from the Committee on Armed Services who meet with the Russian ambassador, and he never told anyone about these meetings. Then he lied about it under oath. I'm sorry, but this is treason.

Every time we turn around there are secret meetings and secret connections with Russians. When questioned about them, the Trump people lie about them. The entire election was suspect from the beginning, but the more we look the more we find.

Do you honestly meant to tell me the Trump campaign was desperately looking for a connection with the Russian government, and the Russian government was desperately seeking a connection to the Trump campaign, and it never happened?

Bullshit. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but it's pretty obvious something is wrong here.

You're losing it. Stop reading and watching destructive propaganda, look what they made you do. Writing a novel of everything they told you. Step away, save yourself, preserve your mind instead of severely polluting it.

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Russia has already attacked the USA and they used weapons more powerful than any Atomic weapon.

But we caught them, they weren't stealth enough.

Putin was stupid yo have that "summit" with Trumps. That summit made Trump a lame duck POTUS, Trump is fucked now.

Trump's followers saw how weak Trump is next to a real man, Trump is toast now.