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MaDalton · 10-30-2018, 06:38 PM

Meanwhile no banker got sentenced after the banking crash in 2008 that bankrupted millions of Americans - but IMMIGRANTS!!!!!!!!

In short: bankers cost more and guns kill more - but IMMIGRANTS!!!!!

because Trump says so.

Isn't it kind of embarrassing to be so easily manipulated?

TheSquealer · 10-30-2018, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG

Meanwhile no banker got sentenced after the banking crash in 2008 that bankrupted millions of Americans - but IMMIGRANTS!!!!!!!!

In short: bankers cost more and guns kill more - but IMMIGRANTS!!!!!

because Trump says so.

Isn't it kind of embarrassing to be so easily manipulated?

I'm sure it's no more embarrassing than you having to wake up and realize you're just a smug, uninformed, foreign, uber Liberal, biased prick who can't stop talking about another place, on the other side of the planet as if you know more than those who are born and raised there or are somehow more informed than they are. Thats a pretty stupid position for anyone to take.

Acepimp · 10-30-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Anybody inside the U.S. borders, other than diplomats, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

If an undocumented alien were not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then they could NOT be arrested or deported for entering illegally.
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^^ This is the essence of the issue. Robbie made a good point about the amendment being intended for children of freed slaves, not people here illegally.

The question about jurisdiction is: Should this apply to anyone born here, even if it's to an illegal alien who still has "allegiance" to some other country? If they are citizens of some other country / jurisdiction, here illegally, then it can be argued that they don't qualify to have their kids be automatic citizens.

MaDalton · 10-30-2018, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I'm sure it's no more embarrassing than you having to wake up and realize you're just a smug, uninformed, foreign, uber Liberal, biased prick who can't stop talking about another place, on the other side of the planet as if you know more than those who are born and raised there or are somehow more informed than they are. Thats a pretty stupid position for anyone to take.

I am always so grateful for the extra attention I am getting from you

does it make you a little hard when you type your insults for me? It somehow feels like it does.

dyna mo · 10-30-2018, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I'm sure it's no more embarrassing than you having to wake up and realize you're just a smug, uninformed, foreign, uber Liberal, biased prick who can't stop talking about another place, on the other side of the planet as if you know more than those who are born and raised there or are somehow more informed than they are. Thats a pretty stupid position for anyone to take.

you're itching for assnugget x to swoop in here on his white horse and do his captain save a ho impression eh! then he'll start a thread attacking you for having a mental illness if you clap back.

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GFY is a shithole.

TheSquealer · 10-30-2018, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're itching for assnugget x to swoop in here on his white horse and do his captain save a ho impression eh! then he'll start a thread attacking you for having a mental illness if you clap back.

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GFY is a shithole.

haha.. i don't worry about it. The mid term results will be the best revenge for their incessant "everyone is a racist, everyone is a nazi and everyone is a white supremacist and violent and angry... but we're totally normal" bullshit.

TheSquealer · 10-30-2018, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG

I am always so grateful for the extra attention I am getting from you

does it make you a little hard when you type your insults for me? It somehow feels like it does.

Does it make you hard to insult and constantly disrespect and disparage 1/2 of the voting public of another nation which you understand very little about??

You're just a smug, arrogant uninformed prick who thinks his way of seeing everything is the only way of seeing anything. Nothing more.

GAMEFINEST · 10-30-2018, 09:26 PM

This fucker is going to ruin the USA

King Mark · 10-30-2018, 10:24 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about this. But I do know changing the 2nd amendment will have a much better result for the shit Trump be crying about when it comes to Mexicans. Most of the "bad hombres" are second and third, even fourth generation Americans... 14th amendment ain't touching them unless Trump plans to deport himself.

NewNick · 10-31-2018, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That meme explains exactly what Trump is doing. Genius.

Indeed.

Like burning down the Reichstag.

beerptrol · 10-31-2018, 04:16 AM

if a democrat said this the alt right nuthouse would be up in arms. Those cultist sure love their dictator wannabe

VRPdommy · 10-31-2018, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG

Meanwhile no banker got sentenced after the banking crash in 2008 that bankrupted millions of Americans - but IMMIGRANTS!!!!!!!!

In short: bankers cost more and guns kill more - but IMMIGRANTS!!!!!

because Trump says so.

Isn't it kind of embarrassing to be so easily manipulated?

They can not be so embarrassed when they don't see or feel how they are being manipulated. But I so agree.

PBS did a documentary just focusing on facebook, but if you can stand the 2 hour length, it is quite telling of how this came to be.
Folks are made into predictable commodities. I have known it was going on since the beginning but nobody understood the impact of it and would not listen. Admittedly, it is the stuff we make tin foil hats for and seemed like that kind of info 5-10 years ago.
It is simply trial and error to get a desired emotional response from a given input. And then hammering it for a desired purpose. It's no wonder act of violence are up.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/f...ebook-dilemma/

If you think it is bad now, wait till the facial recognition aspects read your face to know how you respond to what you see and hear.
Better than 83% accurate in reading your emotional reaction based on slight movments on your face. The only country to be using this tech in actual practice more than in the US is in China. Some VR / AR tech facebook has been working on is going to make very exclusive use of it.

It is the things you are not aware of that will hurt you most.
But most of this would be less do-able without tracking and the buying/selling of that information across platforms that you do not even know it is happening tied together by some seemingly insignificant info.
Facebook may not house all your info but they have alliance with the folks that have the other data freely shared as a partner.

But as I have predicted, there will be no 'real cries to stop it' till to much is out there and the damage has been done.

Nobody thinks they can be manipulated. Till you see how it is done. Then they do not wish to believe it affected them. But they do start to look at it differently going forward.
It's kinda like knowing how the magician does the trick and the entertainment value is lost.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

Indeed.

Like burning down the Reichstag.

A great political move by Hitler for sure.

But again, Trump is NOT Hitler. Why you would think that analogy has to be made every time Trump says or does anything is beyond me.

Think about it...the "right" said Obama was "Hitler" and acting like a "King" when he was in office.

The left said GW Bush was "Hitler".

It's pretty stupid. HITLER was Hitler. Not Bush, not Obama, and certainly not Trump.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

They can not be so embarrassed when they don't see or feel how they are being manipulated. But I so agree.

The thing is...it's the media that are being manipulated.

People like me can plainly see the strategy he is using.
First thing is to MANIPULATE the media into talking about immigration again. Get the news cycle back to that. It's been dominated in the last week by the bombs and the mass shooting.

But now we are days away from the midterms. And it will be the party that is most energized on Nov. 6th that will win the elections.

Trump is like a puppeteer pulling the strings and forcing CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, and the rest of them to dance to his tune.

They have just spent the last 48 hours pushing HIS message to his base.

You and Stefan, in this matter, are too obsessed with hatred for Trump to see the genius in what he does.

First he will get his base re-energized for the election.
Second...IF he actually did try an Executive Order that was unconstitutional (which it would be)...it will be immediately taken to court.
And that will lead to the Supreme Court making a decision saying that his order is unconstitutional...and that giving "birthright citizenship" to illegal aliens is ALSO unconstitutional.
It's a "win/win" for Trump.

And anti-Trump, anti-USA people can only fume and be bitter about it.

The guy is playing the media AND the "left" like a fiddle and you guys are so caught up in hating him that YOU are the ones actually being manipulated. And you couldn't even see it.

Hopefully you will think about what I just wrote and reflect upon it. Then you can stop having Pres. Trump manipulate what you are thinking every day via what he forces the media to "report" (have panels discussing how horrible he is 24 hours a day).

Just give it some thought without emotion and you'll see what I'm talking about.

You don't have to agree with Trump or support him. But at least your eyes will open and you'll realize that he is playing chess and the media are playing checkers.

RedFred · 10-31-2018, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

A great political move by Hitler for sure.

Yes, killing off a Democracy and the German constitution that led up to millions being killed was a "great political move". Jesus Fucking Christ.

VRPdommy · 10-31-2018, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The thing is...it's the media that are being manipulated.

People like me can plainly see the strategy he is using.
First thing is to MANIPULATE the media into talking about immigration again. Get the news cycle back to that. It's been dominated in the last week by the bombs and the mass shooting.

But now we are days away from the midterms. And it will be the party that is most energized on Nov. 6th that will win the elections.

Trump is like a puppeteer pulling the strings and forcing CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, and the rest of them to dance to his tune.

They have just spent the last 48 hours pushing HIS message to his base.

You and Stefan, in this matter, are too obsessed with hatred for Trump to see the genius in what he does.

First he will get his base re-energized for the election.
Second...IF he actually did try an Executive Order that was unconstitutional (which it would be)...it will be immediately taken to court.
And that will lead to the Supreme Court making a decision saying that his order is unconstitutional...and that giving "birthright citizenship" to illegal aliens is ALSO unconstitutional.
It's a "win/win" for Trump.

And anti-Trump, anti-USA people can only fume and be bitter about it.

The guy is playing the media AND the "left" like a fiddle and you guys are so caught up in hating him that YOU are the ones actually being manipulated. And you couldn't even see it.

Hopefully you will think about what I just wrote and reflect upon it. Then you can stop having Pres. Trump manipulate what you are thinking every day via what he forces the media to "report" (have panels discussing how horrible he is 24 hours a day).

Just give it some thought without emotion and you'll see what I'm talking about.

You don't have to agree with Trump or support him. But at least your eyes will open and you'll realize that he is playing chess and the media are playing checkers.

I have no hatred for trump, just the things he does. If it were anyone else doing the same, I would feel the same.
It is the issues not the person or a conspiracy.
How many of you can continue to fabricate excuses for his behavior is beyond acceptance.
But i understand,
You are just a victim in denial as described in my post you replied to.
It would serve you well to watch that documentary.

directfiesta · 10-31-2018, 09:41 AM

Bruce is re-writting his hit song ....

New titled : Deported .. from the USA ...

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The thing is...it's the media that are being manipulated.

People like me can plainly see the strategy he is using.
First thing is to MANIPULATE the media into talking about immigration again. Get the news cycle back to that. It's been dominated in the last week by the bombs and the mass shooting.

But now we are days away from the midterms. And it will be the party that is most energized on Nov. 6th that will win the elections.

Trump is like a puppeteer pulling the strings and forcing CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, and the rest of them to dance to his tune.

They have just spent the last 48 hours pushing HIS message to his base.

You and Stefan, in this matter, are too obsessed with hatred for Trump to see the genius in what he does.

First he will get his base re-energized for the election.
Second...IF he actually did try an Executive Order that was unconstitutional (which it would be)...it will be immediately taken to court.
And that will lead to the Supreme Court making a decision saying that his order is unconstitutional...and that giving "birthright citizenship" to illegal aliens is ALSO unconstitutional.
It's a "win/win" for Trump.

And anti-Trump, anti-USA people can only fume and be bitter about it.

The guy is playing the media AND the "left" like a fiddle and you guys are so caught up in hating him that YOU are the ones actually being manipulated. And you couldn't even see it.

Hopefully you will think about what I just wrote and reflect upon it. Then you can stop having Pres. Trump manipulate what you are thinking every day via what he forces the media to "report" (have panels discussing how horrible he is 24 hours a day).

Just give it some thought without emotion and you'll see what I'm talking about.

You don't have to agree with Trump or support him. But at least your eyes will open and you'll realize that he is playing chess and the media are playing checkers.

the media reports what trump says, does, and tweets which is all trump's big master puppet plan, then trump calls the media fake news for reporting that. and we're the gullible ones. hmm.

and it's far-fetched to think trump's big plan is to force the SC to hear a case. that's not how it works. hmm

I'm not even going to get into the great hitler move comment.

beerptrol · 10-31-2018, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the media reports what trump says, does, and tweets which is all trump's big master puppet plan, then trump calls the media fake news for reporting that. and we're the gullible ones. hmm.

and it's far-fetched to think trump's big plan is to force the SC to hear a case. that's not how it works. hmm

I'm not even going to get into the great hitler move comment.

They expect all media to behave like fox news and kiss his ass and spread favorable propaganda while ignoring his lies. In their brain washed eyes that's what's best for the country.

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

They expect all media to behave like fox news and kiss his ass and spread favorable propaganda while ignoring his lies. In their brain washed eyes that's what's best for the country.

Have you watched FOX news lately? I've been watching quite a bit lately. the conspiracies and fear mongering is beyond imaginable. they had a commentator on the NEWS SEGMENT, not an opinion show but the news, state that the caravan is bringing small pox to Americans.

fucking small pox was eradicated off the face of the planet a long time ago!

VRPdommy · 10-31-2018, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Have you watched FOX news lately? I've been watching quite a bit lately. the conspiracies and fear mongering is beyond imaginable. they had a commentator on the NEWS SEGMENT, not an opinion show but the news, state that the caravan is bringing small pox to Americans.

fucking small pox was eradicated off the face of the planet a long time ago!

Signs of desperation, that's all. In some slight way, that is comforting they continue to expand the boundary of ridiculous. Loosing some along the way even though they reinforce others.

the mistake I made before this really got out of hand is, I did not think anyone/many would believe this kinda stuff. How wrong I was. In the worst way.
But, if you can invoke a strong emotion, you can do a lot with that, including make money.
Everyone has their angle for it and trigger to it.
But, what I never expected was a addition like reaction that wants more of the same for many of them.
That is the weird part of this.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Have you watched FOX news lately? I've been watching quite a bit lately. the conspiracies and fear mongering is beyond imaginable. they had a commentator on the NEWS SEGMENT, not an opinion show but the news, state that the caravan is bringing small pox to Americans.

fucking small pox was eradicated off the face of the planet a long time ago!

The guy who made that claim is NOT a "commentator". He was a guest on the Neil Cavuto show which was being hosted by Charles Payne in Cavutos absence.
The guest was David Ward a former ICE agent who has no idea about what diseases that immigrants from 3rd world country's have and was making wild conjecture.

Payne is a Fox Business economic guy. He also has no clue and therefore didn't "challenge" the assertion.

Anyway, that one dumb moment leads you to conclude that Fox News is full of "fear mongering" and "conspiracy theories"?

No. It is full of bullshit to garner ratings. But they also take the time to report the news with an actual newsbreak on the hour and half hour. They also have several actual NEWS shows like Shepard Smith's show and Shannon Bream's news show.

That is something that is totally missed by CNN...which has ZERO news hours now. And they spend 24/7 with the "Russian" conspiracy theory and actual fear mongering about how the President is "dangerous".
They pretty much spend all day, every day doing everything they can to divide the country in hopes of getting Democrats elected.

All the media is shitty. But I do give props to Fox News for actually covering all the news stories of the day every day. CNN does not do that at all anymore.

At least CNN still has HLN headline news....Oops, no they don't.
On Oct. 15th it was announced that HLN is now restructuring and will be dropping doing the news.

"CNN Executive Vice President Ken Jautz detailed the changes in a memo to staffers that was obtained by Mediaite.

Jautz told his staff that the “cable news landscape is dominated by politics,” and HLN’s “live news shows have not benefitted from this trend given our story mix.”

“We will shift some of our resources from live to longform programming and produce our live shows in as streamlined a manner as possible. The best way to do this is to centralize production of live news programming in Atlanta," Jautz wrote.

Their "story mix". Wow. LOL! That's the state of our media these days. Instead of just reporting the freaking news they are all about forming storylines and trying to make money.

And nothing wrong with making money...but WHERE is the news?

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 12:07 PM

Robbie, but trump is dangerous.
he's the leader of the country, i.e., influential, that what a leader does, and he spreads fear and violence.

he then blames the media for reporting that. he blames the magabomber on that same "fake news" but the fake news is reporting trump's words, actions, and tweets. In other words, trump was an influence. the media didn't make that up. the media didn't make up that trump condones body slamming journalists. they didn't make up that trump claims the media is the enemy. they didn't make up trump exclaiming that the caravan is invading USA.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Robbie, but trump is dangerous.
he's the leader of the country, i.e., influential, that what a leader does, and he spreads fear and violence.

he then blames the media for reporting that. he blames the magabomber on that same "fake news" but the fake news is reporting trump's words, actions, and tweets. In other words, trump was an influence. the media didn't make that up. the media didn't make up that trump condones body slamming journalists. they didn't make up that trump claims the media is the enemy. they didn't make up trump exclaiming that the caravan is invading USA.

Nope. The media isn't "reporting" anything in this case.

They call him "Hitler", "racist", and "dangerous" every hour of every day on CNN.
Then they deliberately downplay or don't report at all on the uplifting stories of people's lives changed for the better as the economy grows and grows under Trump's policy's.
And then the last couple of days...CNN had people on saying Trump "desecrated" the situation in Pittsburgh by going there to comfort the people!
And all they showed were videos of protesters and insinuated that Trump is hated by everyone and not wanted.
And of course they DON'T show this kind of video at the hospital in Pittsburgh of REAL people expressing their thankfulness to Pres. Trump:

You won't see that on MSNBC or CNN. Because they are liars and are trying (and succeeding) to deceive you.

THEN...when the President RESPONDS to CNN calling him names and being deceptive...he calls them "Fake News" and "The Enemy Of The People"

And somehow HE is dangerous???
Totally fucking backwards.

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 03:28 PM

robbie, you seem to think that you telling me about life is more real than my actually living life and acquiring knowledge along the way.

elsewhere, I'd be offended by your comments about me but this is shithole GFY, heck I was lambasted yesterday for trying to get along with people. so feel free to think whatever you need to think about me to feel better about your being a trumpster.

Bladewire · 10-31-2018, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Nope. The media isn't "reporting" anything in this case.

They call him "Hitler", "racist", and "dangerous" every hour of every day on CNN.

Oh so now you're watching CNN every hour of every day.

You're absolutely manic and out of touch with reality.

directfiesta · 10-31-2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Nope. The media isn't "reporting" anything in this case.

They call him "Hitler", "racist", and "dangerous" every hour of every day on CNN.
Then they deliberately downplay or don't report at all on the uplifting stories of people's lives changed for the better as the economy grows and grows under Trump's policy's.
And then the last couple of days...CNN had people on saying Trump "desecrated" the situation in Pittsburgh by going there to comfort the people!
And all they showed were videos of protesters and insinuated that Trump is hated by everyone and not wanted.
And of course they DON'T show this kind of video at the hospital in Pittsburgh of REAL people expressing their thankfulness to Pres. Trump:

You won't see that on MSNBC or CNN. Because they are liars and are trying (and succeeding) to deceive you.

THEN...when the President RESPONDS to CNN calling him names and being deceptive...he calls them "Fake News" and "The Enemy Of The People"

And somehow HE is dangerous???
Totally fucking backwards.

WOW .... that was a biggly crowd .... should have been in heavy rotation on CNN .... What , maybe 5-10 people in a hospital that employs hundreds ...
Was really Yuge !!!!!

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

WOW .... that was a biggly crowd .... should have been in heavy rotation on CNN .... What , maybe 5-10 people in a hospital that employs hundreds ...
Was really Yuge !!!!!

You do realize that he is visiting wounded people from the shooting?
Of course CNN should have covered it.
If it had been Pres. Obama comforting the victims it would have definitely been shown. And there would have been no "protestors" with signs about immigration at the synagogue itself.
And if anyone would have been there protesting it...CNN would have condemned them.

Instead they have played up the protesters as heroes...and presented low information people with the idea that Trump is hated everywhere he goes.

You should think about what I'm saying instead of trying to fight with me on the internet. You are doing exactly what the media wants you to do.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

robbie, you seem to think that you telling me about life is more real than my actually living life and acquiring knowledge along the way.

elsewhere, I'd be offended by your comments about me but this is shithole GFY, heck I was lambasted yesterday for trying to get along with people. so feel free to think whatever you need to think about me to feel better about your being a trumpster.

I'm not telling you anything about "life". I learned a long time ago that everyone has different levels of intellect and experiences.

And how in the heck you got my last answer to you as "comments about me"...when I was discussing CNN's deceptive coverage is beyond me.

EDIT: By the way I'm not a "Trumpster" (I'm assuming you meant that to be derogatory). I am a "Robbie-ster"

But hell yeah I voted for Trump. And I can't wait to do it again. The country is in MUCH better shape than it was 2 years ago.

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm not telling you anything about "life". I learned a long time ago that everyone has different levels of intellect and experiences.

And how in the heck you got my last answer to you as "comments about me"...when I was discussing CNN's deceptive coverage is beyond me.

I got it from you Robbie.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You won't see that on MSNBC or CNN. Because they are liars and are trying (and succeeding) to deceive you.

You just claimed that I fall for being deceived by MSNBC and CNN.

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

EDIT: By the way I'm not a "Trumpster" (I'm assuming you meant that to be derogatory). I am a "Robbie-ster"

But hell yeah I voted for Trump. And I can't wait to do it again. The country is in MUCH better shape than it was 2 years ago.

nope. just an observation that I've yet to see you post 1 single critical comment about our President while posting nothing but accolades about everything he's done.

that's a superfan. a trumpster.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

nope. just an observation that I've yet to see you post 1 single critical comment about our President while posting nothing but accolades about everything he's done.

that's a superfan. a trumpster.

No, I just think he knows what he's doing. And I don't argue with success. YOU have been the one on here attacking him at every turn and being wrong about your predictions (remember how you claimed there would be no summit with North Korea?)

I AM a fan of the guy at this point. Why aren't you?

TheSquealer · 10-31-2018, 06:24 PM

Democrats....

Resist!!
Obstruct!
Protest!
Racist!!
Sexist!!
Nazis!!! Nazis!!! Nazis!!!
Xenophobes!
White Supremacists!!
Hate. Anger. Bitterness. Vitriol. Harass! Harass! Attack... attack... attack.

And what exactly are voters supposed to vote for with respect to Democrats??? Temper tantrums? Crying? Bitterness? Hateful and mean behavior!

No one even knows what Democrats stand for other than temper tantrums and constant bitterness and hate.

CNN is right there in the mix fanning the flames daily. Don Lemon is the tip of the CNN race baiting, identity politics spear. That's why the top CNN and MSNBC shows are now getting beat by 3rd rate afternoon specials on The Lifetime Network.

Jesus ....

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No, I just think he knows what he's doing. And I don't argue with success. YOU have been the one on here attacking him at every turn and being wrong about your predictions (remember how you claimed there would be no summit with North Korea?)

I AM a fan of the guy at this point. Why aren't you?

Huh? you must have serious observation problems. I claimed there will be no nk denuke. and I'm right there isn't. and I've given trump credit for shit in DIRECT conversation with you here, especially on the economy. fuck, I just posted yet another positive economy thread today.

richard may fall for this level of bullshit but not me.

here's the thing most fucking important: I've never once tried to talk you out of your views or change your fucking mind on trump. I simply state my views and defend them and clap back hard when necessary. but you incessantly keep trying to change my views in between lying about what i've stated.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Huh? you must have serious observation problems. I claimed there will be no nk denuke.

here's the thing most fucking important: I've never once tried to talk you out of your views or change your fucking mind on trump. I simply state my views and defend them and clap back hard when necessary. but you incessantly keep trying to change my views in between lying about what i've stated.

Lying? You are full of shit!
Here are YOUR words when we were debating whether or not Trump canceling the meeting was a negotiating tool to get the meeting to happen. You argued it was not. I said it plainly was.
You were wrong. And you are wrong now calling me a liar:

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

unfortunately, the walkout backfired on trump. he got zilch for it while making NK look like the good guys.

he's no deal maker.

That was YOU telling me that Trump saying he wouldn't meet with Un had failed and the summit wouldn't happen.

Here is me telling you that it's a "dance" and negotiation:

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It's a back and forth. Now NK is countering.
It's all part of the dance.

And here is YOU telling me the opposite:

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

But there is no dance, the summit is postponed indefinitely.

Here I am explaining what you should already know:

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It's ALWAYS a negotiation. Trump has said since the very beginning (back on the campaign trail) that former administrations didn't have a clue on how to negotiate.
He said you have to be able to walk away in order to get movement from the other side. If the other side thinks you are committed to doing something no matter what...then they have no reason to negotiate.

Also...the meeting is STILL on. Trump has said so. Not sure why you are saying it isn't.
At 3:36 p.m. Pacific time on Wed....North Korea THREATENED to pull out of the summit.

You can't threaten to pull out of something that isn't happening.

As for President Trump...these were the last comments he made on Wed.
"Whatever it is," Trump said, "we will know next week about Singapore and if we go I think it will be a great thing for North Korea."

So the premise of this thread is not correct.

As far as negotiating goes...I wouldn't be surprised if this meeting does NOT take place yet. Pulling out of the meeting is a powerful negotiating tool for each side.
BUT...the U.S. definitely has the upper hand and Trump knows it.
For Kim Jung Un to meet with Pres. Trump is 100% good for Un and he knows it. Trump is definitely in the power seat.

But having said that...Asian culture is different than ours. And as I understand it, "saving face" is a big part of that.

So huffing and puffing before the talks is pretty much expected.
And Trump knows that. He's negotiated with people in the Far East for decades.

As the President has said over and over and over: "We'll have to wait and see".

This is all standard "Art Of The Deal" stuff.

And of course...ANY negotiation can go south in a hurry. That may very well happen. And if the meeting does not occur, it will put the North Koreans in a dangerous spot.
It could very well mean military action and regime change.

That is something that was going to happen eventually no matter who the President was. The U.S. has long ago laid down the marker that North Korea can not be allowed to have nukes.

Trump has taken us further toward a negotiated settlement than any other President.

And the reason I said I don't believe ANY of these so-called "experts" is simple:
None of their "expert" advice helped any former administrations get anything done with North Korea.
If this "expert" is so clever and so knowledgeable...then why didn't Pres. Obama heed him and "fix" the North Korea problem? Or why didn't George Bush? Or Bill Clinton? Or Bush Sr.? Or Reagan? Or Carter? Or Ford? Or Nixon? Or Johnson? Or Kennedy? Or Eisenhower? Or Truman?

The answer is because these "experts" at universities are teachers.
And there's an old saying:
"Those that can DO, those that can't TEACH"

And here you are telling me again that there will be NO summit:

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

umm, yeah, no.

I tried to tell ya the negotiations were done. So much for the master negotiator.

You were WRONG.

Bladewire · 10-31-2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

EDIT: By the way I'm not a "Trumpster"

Yes you are

You said all news on TV is fake and controlled by George Soros!

You have never disagreed with Trump's position on anything ever on here you always back him up.

Own it you asshole! Have some integrity for once.

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Lying? You are full of shit!
Here are YOUR words when we were debating whether or not Trump canceling the meeting was a negotiating tool to get the meeting to happen. You argued it was not. I said it plainly was.
You were wrong. And you are wrong now calling me a liar:

That was YOU telling me that Trump saying he wouldn't meet with Un had failed and the summit wouldn't happen.

Here is me telling you that it's a "dance" and negotiation:

And here is YOU telling me the opposite:

Here I am explaining what you should already know:

And here you are telling me again that there will be NO summit:

You were WRONG.

that was a lot of work you put in for nothing. you fail at comprehending what the phrase "postponed indefinitely" means + fail at history because the summit was in fact postponed indefinitely at the time I stated that fact.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

But there is no dance, the summit is postponed indefinitely. Trump alluded to that late yesterday.

the funny part is I have no problem being wrong and stated so in that very thread, which you conveniently waxed over.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

And ftr, to be perfectly clear-

I wanted to give trump a win on this deal, i want things to be better with nk.
just like I've given him credit for contributing to the economy via the trump effect and tax cuts, and for his removing the politicization of the war on ISIS. Other things as well. He's still not my kind of guy, I don't like him as a dude or as a president

You think this is about winning an argument while I think this is simply dialogue about subjects that I am interested in and learn about.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 07:29 PM

No, you called me a liar and claimed you never said any of that.
You were wrong.

And I already won the argument before it even started.

bronco67 · 10-31-2018, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

EDIT: By the way I'm not a "Trumpster" (I'm assuming you meant that to be derogatory). I am a "Robbie-ster"

But hell yeah I voted for Trump. And I can't wait to do it again. The country is in MUCH better shape than it was 2 years ago.

News Flash. You're a Trumpster.

dyna mo · 10-31-2018, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No, you called me a liar and claimed you never said any of that.
You were wrong.

And I already won the argument before it even started.

we can all read the posts and follow along the thread. the simple fucking fact is there is no NK denuke. I am right. but sure, you won the argument. you seem to think I think the argument is more important than nukes. We now know you do. but hey sure, you won the argument. you're the big winner Robbie. trump did a fantastic job denuking NK.

King Mark · 10-31-2018, 07:40 PM

Yeah, Robbie... bruh... you the first trumpster I ever seen in denial. Like I was saying in another thread, being scared of that title might mean you know you wrong.

Robbie · 10-31-2018, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

we can all read the posts and follow along the thread. the simple fucking fact is there is no NK denuke. I am right. but sure, you won the argument. you seem to think I think the argument is more important than nukes. We now know you do. but hey sure, you won the argument. you're the big winner Robbie. trump did a fantastic job denuking NK.

Wow...you are really in denial. That conversation from back then between us was about Trump "walking away" as a negotiating tactic. You claimed it wasn't a negotiation at all and the summit was never gonna happen.

As far as the LATER thread where you proclaimed the summit a failure because NK didn't suddenly give up all their nukes...that isn't what we were talking about.

I told you that you had made WRONG predictions and reminded you that you had said that the summit wasn't going to happen.
You then said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you incessantly keep trying to change my views in between lying about what i've stated.

So I just went and found the thread and proved that I was not lying about anything.

YOU are now trying to change the subject from you saying the summit would never happen (which is what I said to you in the posts above in the first place), to whether a major de-nuclearization deal has been signed.
I think you are just trying to be argumentative because you were WRONG about the summit AND calling me a liar.

Axeman · 10-31-2018, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

we can all read the posts and follow along the thread. the simple fucking fact is there is no NK denuke. I am right. but sure, you won the argument. you seem to think I think the argument is more important than nukes. We now know you do. but hey sure, you won the argument. you're the big winner Robbie. trump did a fantastic job denuking NK.

LOL your goal posts on that exchange have moved 3 states over now. You were so about him blowing it completely, and no summit would ever take place. Maybe you post too much and lose track of what you say. But you were chicken little that whole time. Robbie is definitely correct about your statements at the time.

dyna mo · 11-01-2018, 06:39 AM

Again, there is no nk denuke.

And again I told Robbie, sure, you're the big winnerin a year old thread on gfy

And again again I certainly don't care more about winning an argument more than denuking nk. Or even worse, winning an argument about winning an argument a year ago

Here, I'll say it again

Robbie is the big winner in the argument buried in a year old thread. There ended up being a summit and nk still has nukes.

I hope Robbie can feel better about himself now!
You too axeman, hope you feel better about yourself now that I gave Robbie yet another shout-out on an incredible victory a year ago.

NewNick · 11-01-2018, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The thing is...it's the media that are being manipulated.

People like me can plainly see the strategy he is using.
First thing is to MANIPULATE the media into talking about immigration again. Get the news cycle back to that. It's been dominated in the last week by the bombs and the mass shooting.

But now we are days away from the midterms. And it will be the party that is most energized on Nov. 6th that will win the elections.

Trump is like a puppeteer pulling the strings and forcing CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, and the rest of them to dance to his tune.

They have just spent the last 48 hours pushing HIS message to his base.

You and Stefan, in this matter, are too obsessed with hatred for Trump to see the genius in what he does.

First he will get his base re-energized for the election.
Second...IF he actually did try an Executive Order that was unconstitutional (which it would be)...it will be immediately taken to court.
And that will lead to the Supreme Court making a decision saying that his order is unconstitutional...and that giving "birthright citizenship" to illegal aliens is ALSO unconstitutional.
It's a "win/win" for Trump.

And anti-Trump, anti-USA people can only fume and be bitter about it.

The guy is playing the media AND the "left" like a fiddle and you guys are so caught up in hating him that YOU are the ones actually being manipulated. And you couldn't even see it.

Hopefully you will think about what I just wrote and reflect upon it. Then you can stop having Pres. Trump manipulate what you are thinking every day via what he forces the media to "report" (have panels discussing how horrible he is 24 hours a day).

Just give it some thought without emotion and you'll see what I'm talking about.

You don't have to agree with Trump or support him. But at least your eyes will open and you'll realize that he is playing chess and the media are playing checkers.

Wow.

So you admire a man that is manipulating his base, the media, and just about everyone else by using a mix of hostile and divisive rhetoric. Never mind how vile the message - it gets fucking results right ?

You are openly admiring a man that is using every trick in the Barnham hoax songbook in order to get himself into power. Trump will do and say anything to rile the deplorables.

And you wonder why a comparison with other orators who stooped equally low is so often made ?

And you wonder why some of his people then act out in the way they do ?

Robbie - you have stated that you are a Trump voter because you believe in his economic policies right ?, you believe the MAGA message right ?

So given that Trump is pushing the race / immigration / muslim thing harder and harder as he seeks to maintain power - is there a line for you ? Trump is ratcheting up his base with more bullshit, outright lies, and outrageous hypocrisy. ( the descendant of immigrants, married to an immigrant, gives US citizenship to his in laws ! )

Is there a line where you say OK I want the MAGA, but I cannot support this anymore ?

VRPdommy · 11-01-2018, 09:12 AM

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

Robbie · 11-01-2018, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick

Wow.

So you admire a man that is manipulating his base, the media, and just about everyone else by using a mix of hostile and divisive rhetoric. Never mind how vile the message - it gets fucking results right ?

You are openly admiring a man that is using every trick in the Barnham hoax songbook in order to get himself into power. Trump will do and say anything to rile the deplorables.

And you wonder why a comparison with other orators who stooped equally low is so often made ?

And you wonder why some of his people then act out in the way they do ?

Robbie - you have stated that you are a Trump voter because you believe in his economic policies right ?, you believe the MAGA message right ?

So given that Trump is pushing the race / immigration / muslim thing harder and harder as he seeks to maintain power - is there a line for you ? Trump is ratcheting up his base with more bullshit, outright lies, and outrageous hypocrisy. ( the descendant of immigrants, married to an immigrant, gives US citizenship to his in laws ! )

Is there a line where you say OK I want the MAGA, but I cannot support this anymore ?

Trump isn't doing anything "Vile".
And the only people pushing "race" are the media and the Democrats.

Lies and outright hypocrisy? You mean what I see and hear from Democrat politicians and CNN on a daily basis? Lying through their teeth. Being the biggest bunch of hypocrites who ever lived?

Yeah, there was a point back in 2012 where I DID say I can't support the Democrats anymore. And I tore up my Democrat registration and left the party. #WalkAway

The FACTS that you are not hearing on CNN or MSNBC or the NY Times or The Washington Post are:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...romise-keeping

Why on Earth aren't YOU supporting millions of people getting jobs and leaving foodstamps and welfare?
What do YOU find "vile" about making the United States competitive in corporate tax rates with the rest of the world and Trump picking up the phone and getting companies to come BACK to the U.S. with their money and jobs?

You are basing your entire view on filtered opinion from the mainstream media.

But if you actually take a look at how the country is doing and how Pres. Trump's policys are doing so much good for so many people (Black unemployment historically low, Asian unemployment lowest in history, Hispanic unemployment lowest ever, women unemployment the lowest since WW2)...I think you would reconsider what you are saying.

Forget the bullshit that CNN is spewing.
Forget the bullshit that the President spews.

Look at the RESULTS and changes for the better in people's actual lives.

I know it's "cool" to hate Trump. But just think about what I'm saying. Compare what the media is telling you to the actual facts and figures...and realize that real citizens of our country are leading better lives now.

Robbie · 11-01-2018, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

False...Trump's policys are helping EVERYONE! The economy is booming. People are getting good manufacturing jobs.

So don't worry...the good times will "come for you" too if you are living in the U.S.

And we promise to never let Europeans do anything like that to the Jewish community again.

VRPdommy · 11-01-2018, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

False...Trump's policys are helping EVERYONE! The economy is booming. People are getting good manufacturing jobs.

So don't worry...the good times will "come for you" too if you are living in the U.S.

And we promise to never let Europeans do anything like that to the Jewish community again.

You are as incapable of grasping ideas larger than yourself as trump is of telling the truth.

Robbie · 11-01-2018, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

You are as incapable of grasping ideas larger than yourself as trump is of telling the truth.

You are looking in the mirror at your own hate-filled narrow mind and projecting EXACTLY what you are on to me.

Sorry brother...but that's not me. That is you. You REFUSE to see facts. You REFUSE to understand the results of Trump's policys.
You are blind and follow the talking points of anti-Trump media like a sheep.

I can't respect that in any way.
You need to think for yourself.

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King Mark So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 27,033	I'm not sure how I feel about this. But I do know changing the 2nd amendment will have a much better result for the shit Trump be crying about when it comes to Mexicans. Most of the "bad hombres" are second and third, even fourth generation Americans... 14th amendment ain't touching them unless Trump plans to deport himself.

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10-31-2018, 12:07 PM	#73
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,914	Robbie, but trump is dangerous. he's the leader of the country, i.e., influential, that what a leader does, and he spreads fear and violence. he then blames the media for reporting that. he blames the magabomber on that same "fake news" but the fake news is reporting trump's words, actions, and tweets. In other words, trump was an influence. the media didn't make that up. the media didn't make up that trump condones body slamming journalists. they didn't make up that trump claims the media is the enemy. they didn't make up trump exclaiming that the caravan is invading USA.

10-31-2018, 03:28 PM	#75
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,914	robbie, you seem to think that you telling me about life is more real than my actually living life and acquiring knowledge along the way. elsewhere, I'd be offended by your comments about me but this is shithole GFY, heck I was lambasted yesterday for trying to get along with people. so feel free to think whatever you need to think about me to feel better about your being a trumpster.

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King Mark So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 27,033	Yeah, Robbie... bruh... you the first trumpster I ever seen in denial. Like I was saying in another thread, being scared of that title might mean you know you wrong.

11-01-2018, 06:39 AM	#94
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,914	Again, there is no nk denuke. And again I told Robbie, sure, you're the big winnerin a year old thread on gfy And again again I certainly don't care more about winning an argument more than denuking nk. Or even worse, winning an argument about winning an argument a year ago Here, I'll say it again Robbie is the big winner in the argument buried in a year old thread. There ended up being a summit and nk still has nukes. I hope Robbie can feel better about himself now! You too axeman, hope you feel better about yourself now that I gave Robbie yet another shout-out on an incredible victory a year ago.

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VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 10,754	First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. -Martin Niemöller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...