AdultKing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube

https://joinpeertube.org

A Distributed, Censorship Free, Ad Free Video Sharing Platform that you can run on a $20 per month server. It's completely open source.

https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube

License is GNU Affero General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation.

New instances are coming up daily now, federations are forming, there's even a porn tube federation. Some federations allow advertising but most do not. Considering the bar to entry is low, there are other monetisation methods open to instance operators.

Blender moved to a PeerTube because of problems with YouTube

https://www.blender.org/media-exposu...eos-worldwide/

Other creators and curators are moving to PeerTube instances to escape YouTube's moderation systems and having their videos plastered with ads against their wishes. Interesting times ahead in this space.

What impact will software like this have on traditional advertising dependent tubes?

TFCash

Can't see it taking off with all the end point service providers putting caps on monthly bandwidth. Image the drive space needed to host something like pornhub on a local machine

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AdultKing

You don't need a lot of disk space, you only need to join a federation of servers that align with your community. PeerTube is a distributed platform, Pornhub is a monolithic platform. There's also not one single PeerTube platform. There are federations of sites who align on community standards, content and moderation who join together to form their federation.

You also don't need a lot of bandwidth. A federation of just 50 servers using a $20 virtual server each would have 4000 gigabytes of storage and 150000 gigabytes of bandwidth per month across the federation. That's a lot of bandwidth and a lot of storage, all federated. So to run a site with all that content would only cost you $20 per month.

TFCash

I guess you don't understand how a peer-to-peer network operates, there would be lot's of redundancy in the files that are shared across your "federation" so you wouldn't have access to 4TB and there still has to be 50 people spending $20, which works out to $1000 a month on my calculator.

If I wanted 4TB of drive space, and 150TB of data, I can get that on OVH for $60.

Again the whole idea behind this is to get rid of advertising, and why would we want to do that anyway ???

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freecartoonporn

whats wrong with youtube and pornhub ?

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The Porn Nerd

To me, the appealing idea would be an ad-free tube network that would serve mostly to push joins to paysites. Or dating, cams, etc. Not ADS but send the traffic (via video views) to the landing pages. Don't know if that would work well tho. LOL

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AdultKing

I don't think you understand how it works. Files are not replicated across every instance of PeerTube. This means that 50 sites can each have 100 files and if each of those sites is in a federation then when you visit any of those 50 sites you have access to 5000 videos that you can view, search and so on. When someone selects a video to view it is initially streamed from the server hosting the video and only when more than one person views it does the p2p aspect kick in.

As for getting rid of advertising, that's not correct. Any PeerTube site can have ads, however many choose not to. Some federations allow ads on sites they connect to, some federations don't. Whether you run ads on your own PeerTube instance is entirely up to you.

From the perspective of users of these sites, not being bombarded with popups, popunders, crypto miners, tricky javascript etc is appealing. Big tube sites like YouTube and Pornhub don't act purely for the benefit of content creators. Sure there may be banners and links to a sponsor site who has upload trailers, but then there's a dozen other ads for everything from fake penis pills to dodgy dating sites. So the only party that really benefits is the tube site, the users get screwed over with over the top, intrusive advertising and the content creators supply a content chain that they see little benefit from when they have to compete with the other ads for a surfers money.

It would and does work, content creators on PeerTube are doing exactly this. They upload a trailer and link to their site. Or they upload a video and link to their Patreon. It's working out very well for some content creators in France, from where PeerTube originated. However PeerTube sites are popping up every day now, federations are growing both public and private ones.

TFCash

And once again, 50 people in the "federation" @ $20 is still $1000 being spent. I can do the same thing for $60, so what is the upside for me ???

And what happens to that unlucky fucker that has the 1 video that everyone wants to watch?? If it's not replicated over the entire network, then he gets stuck with the overages, or his $20 account get's shut down

Again, sounds like a good idea on paper maybe But in the real world I won't want to leave the fate of my monthly income, in the hands of anyone else, let alone 50 losers that might choose to shut off their $20 account since they aren't making any money

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AdultKing

The viewers of the video share pieces of the video over p2p (WebTorrent), you could have 10,000 people looking at a video and you wouldn't use any more bandwidth than if one person was watching it.

I really don't think you fully understand how this works. You say you can do the same thing for $1000, but you really can't, because even at $1000 you don't have enough resources to handle massively popular video views - unless you had a super amazing load balancer and gigabit connections.

Paul Markham

Why would people spend $20 when Tube sites are free and adblockers free also.

The other problem is if the few who buy porn want to see girls in one genre/style. What use are 5000 videos of different genres/styles.

$20 a month isn't going to make millions start paying for porn again.

Understand your market first.

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blackmonsters

Yeah, just call is Vapster because it's nothing but Napster.

Then sign up to go to jail for illegal file sharing (copyright).

Or worse : find out that your "federation" has CP on it when your door is kicked in because the feds are taking out the "network".

Napster had one safety net : CP don't come in audio format.

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AdultKing

Users don't spend anything. The $20 example I used is the cost of the most basic virtual server on which a webmaster could run their own instance of PeerTube.

This is like the Mastodon of Tubes, Mastodon is a decentralised Twitter alternative that is gaining a huge amount of traction because of it's federation model.

These technologies, Mastodon & PeerTube all use the W3C ActivityPub protocol, which allows for widely distributed yet consolidated services which can all communicate with eachother.

There is a Mastodon instance of PeerTube https://peertube.mastodon.host - users right across the Mastodon social network can share, comment and engage with PeerTube video content without leaving Mastodon.

Mastodon also has apps for iOS, Android and other platforms, which means it's becoming widely accepted and the user growth has been phenomenal.

PeerTube only came out of beta a couple of months ago, Mastodon has been around longer.

There are protections built into PeerTube for reporting, blocking and moderating content. If someone posts illegal material on any instance on a federation it can be actioned federation wide. Obviously you would not allow a site hosting illegal content into your federation, or if they were already in your federation you can expel them from your own instance with a click of a button, then all the problematic content is gone from the instance you run.

The p2p is not normal torrent type stuff, it's based on the WebTorrent protocols, which is different from firing up a Torrent program.

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Elli

....
This seems backwards to me. The goal is to use economies of scale to reduce your overhead costs, no?

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AdultKing

This is exactly what PeerTube does, you can run your own instance of PeerTube on a small virtual server for $20 a month and provide access to tens of thousands of videos.

bronco67

Tube sites with no rules....haha, imagine the hellscape sociopath comment sections.

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I don't want to imagine that..EVER!

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AdultKing

PeerTube sites have rules, each instance sets their own rules. Comments can be moderated.

PeerTube is able to be completely moderated, there are report buttons, blocking features and features to block NSFW content, not that you'd want to do that in the porn context.

brassmonkey

this is pure pirate shit... this is asking for jail time. if you make over a grand you are in trouble

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Bladewire

They have a an add-on called switter.at that bans adult content

Rest assured, after adult makes them big, they'll integrate switter.at as part of the build during an "upgrade" and adult will be fucked.

In their support forums they already have multiple threads complaining about adult spamming and adult content etc.

If you don't think they'll remotely shutdown or ban instances & federations in the future you are in denial. Same rodeo new town. Build up with adult then ban adult.

AdultKing

Are you in a parallel universe where tubes aren't full of piracy?

Mastodon is not centralised, it also has no control over the completely independent W3C ActivityPub protocol, which can't really be changed as it's implantation is also open source.

People are complaining about NSFW content in their Mastodon feeds, but that's simply a side effect of Mastodon instance operators not setting their instances up correctly and users not marking NSFW content. Problematic instances can be disconnected by any Mastodon operator.

There are already forks of Mastodon which completely uncensor NSFW content, adults only Mastodon instances exist, as with PeerTube it's a case of your instance, your rules.

Hurzfurz

after he losing his fight against pirate forums now he comes with a new idea

AdultKing

This isn't my idea. I have nothing to do with PeerTube development.

The guy leading the development is Chocobozz as a software developer in France. It's an open source project on Github with dozens of contributors. Development started in 2015.

Earlier this year the developers ran a crowdfunding campaign to get PeerTube 1.0 released out of beta. They exceeded expectations.

https://medium.com/@chocobozzz/peert...m-fa90e6c503df

You may not know it, but it's just one of many projects that make up the Fediverse. A group of federated networks for everything from forums to chat to social media to video sites.

https://fediverse.party/en/peertube/

Bladewire

I know

And you completely ignore what I said about updates.

You also don't list all the things they can change in an instant with ActivityPub & Mastadon.

You are trying to evangelicalize decentralization as a rules free wild wild west which irresponsible of you.

You also conveniently leave out how much work is going to be to stop spammers and scammers as an administrator of your own instance and the reports coming from users being spammed all day everyday. A fuck all hell of a lot of work and in the end adult will be fucked with them too.

You don't have the real benefit of decentralization when most of them are blocking instances, and the domains of instances, with adult content.

AdultKing

No I'm not. I started this thread to discuss a game changing concept that many people may not be aware of. There is no wild west on the net, even the dark net is still subject to the same rules as everywhere else. Silk Road and sites like it on the dark net weren't protected by the fact that many people consider the dark net to be the wild west.

As far as I can tell, most PeerTube sites have rules, but they also have the freedom to set their own rules, which you can only do within a federated platform. Monolithic sites like YouTube control everything, PeerTube sites also control everything - the difference is that with PeerTube anyone can start their own instance with their own rules.

ActivityPub is a protocol, it already exists, you can't change it any more than you can change smtp, http, ftp etc. It may be enhanced, however nobody has to accept those enhancements. Once a protocol becomes accepted and widespread it's very difficult to modify it. We've only just leapt from HTTP 1.1 to HTTP 2.0 and that took 18 years.

Bladewire

Again

You are trying to evangelicalize

No negatives

All good

Not!

Tell us the negatives

Hurzfurz

need some popcorn

Paul Markham

I get it now. So sites can offer a lot more to prospective members for the same money.

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AdultKing

The developers are French, this is what French people sound like when they speak English

TFCash

Seems to me that it just add's another layer of shit I have to track down when I find my videos being pirated

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AdultKing

It's no different to any other tube and there's a shitload of tubes out there.

ZENRA

If I'm reading this right, it's possible to make your own ad-free (except for your own paysite of course) tube site with only your content and pay the fraction of what it normally costs to host something of this nature? If so, that's pretty cool.

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AdultKing

Yes, that's exactly how it can work. Load up a tube with your own content and link to your site below the videos, surfers aren't stupid, if they want more they'll click your links without having to put up with being shown 30 ads and two popups like the big tubes give you. You also own your platform, so you can choose which other free tubes you federate with.

When you federate with other tubes that have the same intent you do, your content is distributed automatically across several other tubes, but not just any tube, the ones you federate with, who have the same point of view about things that you do. For example Dog Tube, Cat Tube and Kitten Tube might all federate and their content is distributed across their three tubes but they don't like Snake Tube because it's not nice, so they don't federate with Snake Tube and then Snake Tube doesn't get their content and Dog Tube, Kitten Tube & Cat Tube don't get Snake Tube's content either.

It's better for users, better for webmasters because you're not competing with ads for YouTube advertisers or Pornhub Premium, you're simply showing your own content with your links to your own sites in a way that surfers will love because they're not being abused by ads.

Bladewire

You are telling us there are no negatives.

I don't believe you.

There are always negatives, but you refuse to tell us what they are.

Why would you do that?

JuicyBunny

I like it. Mastodon is pretty cool as well.

AdultKing

Ok here are the negatives that I think exist with this model.

1. Advertising platforms lose reach as more federated ad free sites pop up. However nothing stops you from running a PeerTube instance with ads, but if you do nobody will federate with you.

2. Sites which won't or can't install SSL will not be able to participate, because to be a part of the networks you need to use SSL.

3. Webmasters who don't have access to a fairly good degree of technical skill won't be able to easily participate because this isn't PHP/MySQL stuff, it's more complex to install and maintain.

4. If you run tube that allows sign ups then you may have to moderate content not just from your tube but from others you federate with, however this is helped by report buttons which send the report to every tube operator in the federation.

5. The PeerTube code base is just out of beta, version 1.1.0 right now, there are still bugs. There's still room for improvement. Going back to number 3, you need good technical skills to get around those.


Other than that I haven't thought of too many other negatives. If you use the PeerTube platform as a content owner you have much more control over the end user experience than if you uploaded it to a commercial tube.

I'm interested to hear what you think some other negatives are, maybe you could list some?


I like the idea of Mastodon, however I haven't had time to set up an instance yet and play with it. Might do that over the break and see precisely how it works from a technical standpoint. I have a Mastodon account on the original Mastodon server but I've never used it.

ZENRA

Very, very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

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