Trump just killed Huawei phones.... Global

[Ferus]

Wtf? Thanks orange cunt

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/5/20/18632234/huawei-android-ban-response-google-security-updates

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18631558/google-huawei-android-suspension

[Bladewire]

Trump's Huawei Ban Could End Android As We Know It and Damage Apple

[crockett]

Trump is fucking the US long term.. China will retaliate and China will go with their own OS systems from now on so they can't be crippled by US sanctions. Other countries will join in because the now see they US as inconsistent and not dependable.


You can't have a deranged leader just up and making rash decisions on a whim and constantly saying stupid shit. America's power around the world is our global stability and dependability. Trump and Republicans are making us unstable and very unreliable..


Red Hats are fucking idiots who are fucking this country because they are having temper tantrums that they aren't a majority anymore.. so because they can't have their way they want to destroy everything like spoiled bitches..

[blackmonsters]

The trade wars can unstabilize the global economy.
Trade wars should creep slowly to avoid damage; but Trump is dropping nukes on day one.

[VRPdommy]

This really is not about the phones.
It is about the backbone hardware/firmware/software of '5G' tech.
It is the network that is of issue. This is a whole new animal, not like what we have now, but while it may 'look' the same to you. it is not.

[Farang]

Those Huawei phones can zoom 50x I heard - that’s nuts

[ghjghj]

rip wahwei

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

This really is not about the phones.
It is about the backbone hardware/firmware/software of '5G' tech.
It is the network that is of issue. This is a whole new animal, not like what we have now, but while it may 'look' the same to you. it is not.

Maybe you should read some of the links....

Next China will hit Apple and Lenovo

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Maybe you should read some of the links....

Next China will hit Apple and Lenovo

Lenovo is a Chinese company. IBM sold that a long time ago.
The fear the government has on them 'may be legit' and it is about the 'NETWORK' and 'SECURITY' no matter what else they shoot at.
It all stems from 'secret code' embedded in micro-controllers.
Hitting Apple would be shooting themselves in the foot because they are made there.
Perhaps not much longer.

[CrazyMartin]

i hope Huawei make own version of android, no problem with this

fuck google! they will lost

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Maybe you should read some of the links....

Next China will hit Apple and Lenovo

Doubt it. I don't know about Lenovo but Apple is huge employer indirectly and directly in China. They support almost 5 million jobs there. China fucks them, they fuck themselves.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Lenovo is a Chinese company. IBM sold that a long time ago.
The fear the government has on them 'may be legit' and it is about the 'NETWORK' and 'SECURITY' no matter what else they shoot at.
It all stems from 'secret code' embedded in micro-controllers.
Hitting Apple would be shooting themselves in the foot because they are made there.
Perhaps not much longer.

I know Lenovo is Chinese FFS, Im a reseller of their hardware. What you dont understand is that China Will hit Chinese companies selling hardware (hardware in Apple are 70% Chinese) to USA. This means hardware in both HPE and Lenovo. My Cisco partner wont comment, but waits for a official statement.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Ferus

I know Lenovo is Chinese FFS, Im a reseller of their hardware. What you dont understand is that China Will hit Chinese companies selling hardware (hardware in Apple are 70% Chinese) to USA. This means hardware in both HPE and Lenovo. My Cisco partner wont comment, but waits for a official statement.

Well, perhaps it is time for everyone to re-learn what a trade war looks like.
They seem to have forgot.

[pimpmaster9000]

who will win the race? the fat expensive dude or the thin cheap one?...USA went and fucked itself...

[shake]

Might be the first good move Trump has made. Fuck Huawei aka Chinese government in our pockets and on our networks.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by shake

Might be the first good move Trump has made. Fuck Huawei aka Chinese government in our pockets and on our networks.

yeah! the NSA is enough

[pimpmaster9000]

anyway I would NOT like to be qualcomm in the next 2-3 years

[optics]

Fuck the Chinese and their global usury banking system.

[Holy Damage]

[Paul Markham]

Blocking firms like Huawei is good.

Unless you think governments should be able to snoop on the people.

Or is this just another stupid rant of Orange man = Bad?Without even giving it a thought.

[NewNick]

Ok so here are some actual facts on how this will actually affect Huawei and the wider electronics industry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48345509

We wouldn't want gfy peeps spouting ill informed nonsense.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trump's Huawei Ban Could End Android As We Know It and Damage Apple

Trumps US ban won´t change phones as we know it, the world´s a massive place and besides, Sony XZ3 and 1´s so much better for video and the phone´s sexier!

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Doubt it. I don't know about Lenovo but Apple is huge employer indirectly and directly in China. They support almost 5 million jobs there. China fucks them, they fuck themselves.

US fucks China, they fuck themselves .

You are 400 million , they are 1.4 billion ....

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Blocking firms like Huawei is good.

Unless you think governments should be able to snoop on the people.

Or is this just another stupid rant of Orange man = Bad?Without even giving it a thought.

Let me check with Angela Merkel ....

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Ok so here are some actual facts on how this will actually affect Huawei and the wider electronics industry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48345509

We wouldn't want gfy peeps spouting ill informed nonsense.

So all those american companies just lost a big client ...

Funny how Trump on one side cries that the trade deficit is huge , but just prevented US companies to sell to China, in fact increasing the deficit ...

But let's not forget : he went bankrupt quite a few times .... One chapter he reads of a book is chapter 11 .

[CaptainHowdy]

This is my cellphone so:

[NoWhErE]

I don't see how this is good for anyone.

1 - Lots of US companies base their business on selling their tech to the Chinese who build the phones. That ban cuts off their revenue stream. There aren't many other big players to whom they can sell their tech at such huge volumes

2 - With the ban, China will no longer have access to some key components in their phones. So what will they do? The same thing they have always done: reverse engineer all the tech and build it themselves. In the long run, they don't need the US.

3 - All this to stop spying? If it isn't China, its Apple, Facebook, Google or the NSA that can be listening in on us. Banning Huawei is simply a false sense of security. Most of the shit we have in our homes is sourced from China. Unless you all want to start paying 10x the price for stuff, it will continue to be sourced from China.

Seems to me this is a very shallow & short term play to look good.

[Tjeezers]

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers_Brokerbabe

[VRPdommy]

Really, This comes down to a matter of trust.
When 5G rolls out, it will eventually take over everything.
They have a lead in the tech since the government has subsidized it.
If you really think about it, it is more about maintaining some sovereignty of our #1 communications network outside of the internet itself.
I could sit here and make valid accusations of nearly any communications company.
Any of them would sell out if they thought they would not be caught and many have not been caught.

So, it is more than the mere hardware, it is about a patented standard for those communications. If the entire world becomes dependent on China or a Chinese co, it will likely be very frustrating. Some can and will view this as a Take-Over attempt in the communication field. Could it be intentional security flawed ? Do you really want to take that chance. They have already won contracts with a lot of the world with large promises, early deployment, low cost.

It is going to be pretty hard to understand the gravity of all of this.
And everyone should know that we are not going to be told the details of it all.
But these type of decisions leave the play wide open for corruption. I'm sure some has been baked in already. Picking on just the phone hardware has little effect except in payola protectionism or perhaps a broader issue in the trade war.

You will have to wait for more details to surface to make a decision. I only hope we learn more, but not just Cheri-picked info to sway everyone's decisions. Keep your mind a bit open on this.

I am perhaps luckier than some on this as I followed this tech in fair detail for a very long time.

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Wtf? Thanks orange cunt

https://www.theverge.com/platform/am...curity-updates

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/1...oid-suspension

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trump's Huawei Ban Could End Android As We Know It and Damage Apple

Unfortunately this is long overdue.

[Look Chang]

Time to come back to the sources ...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

So all those american companies just lost a big client ...

Funny how Trump on one side cries that the trade deficit is huge , but just prevented US companies to sell to China, in fact increasing the deficit ...

But let's not forget : he went bankrupt quite a few times .... One chapter he reads of a book is chapter 11 .

So you're in favour of the Chinese snooping on Americans.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I don't see how this is good for anyone.

1 - Lots of US companies base their business on selling their tech to the Chinese who build the phones. That ban cuts off their revenue stream. There aren't many other big players to whom they can sell their tech at such huge volumes

2 - With the ban, China will no longer have access to some key components in their phones. So what will they do? The same thing they have always done: reverse engineer all the tech and build it themselves. In the long run, they don't need the US.

3 - All this to stop spying? If it isn't China, its Apple, Facebook, Google or the NSA that can be listening in on us. Banning Huawei is simply a false sense of security. Most of the shit we have in our homes is sourced from China. Unless you all want to start paying 10x the price for stuff, it will continue to be sourced from China.

Seems to me this is a very shallow & short term play to look good.

If the technology was built in America, those firms would be selling to American firms and selling to the Chinese. Why didn't you see that from the go?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If the technology was built in America, those firms would be selling to American firms and selling to the Chinese. Why didn't you see that from the go?

They paul markhamed and moved their production to cheap countries...like paul markham...patriotism ends at the wallet...just ask paul...

[grzepa]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Blocking firms like Huawei is good.

Unless you think governments should be able to snoop on the people.

But that's what Google is doing all the time.

[NewNick]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772

And this is the problem with Trumps blundering - international business at this level is a lot more complex than the Orange Buffoon's thought processes and idiotic tweets.

Jobs lost, livelihoods destroyed, destruction of value in companies, bankruptcies, unintended consequences.

This is what a trade war looks like, and Trump is thrashing about like a child.

[pimpmaster9000]

a fat expensive slow dude is making the skinny lean mean cheap dude step up his game...not smart

not smart at all...

US companies doing business in china just got fucked because you can not plan long term growth if the USA is going to fuck you when ever it wants...so china will produce in house...true, their shit may be 10% slower but it will be 90% cheaper...

profits-o-clock for the people who will step in to replace ARM/qualcomm and others...

[BaldBastard]

.. China's going to go fully 5g next year, basically the west can use Huawei equipment now and attempt to achieve the same, or wait until western countries catch up on the equipment.... either way China wins.

For America to be smart all effort has to go into 6g, starting with massive Government research grants right now.

And sorry guys but I can't see that happening.

All we've really learned from the Huawei ruling is that the American government, can tap in to any phone they want, they just don't like the Chinese having the same ability.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So you're in favour of the Chinese snooping on Americans.

Any ACTUAL and CONCRETE proof ????

You know, like the NSA spying on US citizens as well as foreign head of state ?

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Any ACTUAL and CONCRETE proof ????

You know, like the NSA spying on US citizens as well as foreign head of state ?

It's fairly well documented that American calls are collected here in Aus at PineGap, if it bounces off a satellite, they have it..

Think about this, Australia last year made it illegal for anything to be sold here that encrypts unless the police/ government have a key or backdoor.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...04-p50k74.html

As far as I'm aware no apps have been removed.. ie: they all complied with requests. Under the 5eyes agreement, Australia would be compelled to share that information with America. ;)

The problem with Huawei is basically that 5g is new tech, new challenges are meet daily and software is rewritten most of its going to need weekly if not monthly updates. 5g networks are likely to become critical infrastructure, I'm glad our politicians have woken up to this, but they need to follow it up with the investment dollar, and its just not happening so the West is fucked.

Plan at the moment seems to be.. let China get 5 years ahead of everyone else, then we'll see what we will do.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by grzepa

But that's what Google is doing all the time.

And that is wrong. Google should be stopped from doing this.

[King Mark]

"My way or the Huawei"

...aight then.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Any ACTUAL and CONCRETE proof ????

You know, like the NSA spying on US citizens as well as foreign head of state ?

It's Chinese law that all Chinese companies must share the information they get with the Government.

Trump isn't the only person to ban Huawei. https://www.google.com/search?source...31.9nZnXi3UWvo

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's Chinese law that all Chinese companies must share the information they get with the Government.

Trump isn't the only person to ban Huawei. https://www.google.com/search?source...31.9nZnXi3UWvo

well they should ban google and amazon and apple and every other spy agency as well...I mean the chineese and the other 95% of the world that is not american....fuck spies...

[P_RABID]

Never felt like giving a shit about bad mouthing Trump, but dam, all them Android users around the World are fucked . For once I think it's safe to say, orange man bad. Apparently anyone with a Drone made in China is now flying around a Chinese Spy Drone.

https://news.yahoo.com/washington-sa...164618253.html

Kinda makes u wonder, where all this anti China propaganda will lead to. Thinking back, before the U.S took down Iraq their was a good few years leading up to the U.S led invasion with anti Iraq propaganda on all major news outlets world wide. Will the U.S Provoke China ? Scary stuff to think about. 1 Billion Chinese vs the U.S and its allies and both sides have Nukes.

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by P_RABID

Never felt like giving a shit about bad mouthing Trump, but dam, all them Android users around the World are fucked . For once I think it's safe to say, orange man bad. Apparently anyone with a Drone made in China is now flying around a Chinese Spy Drone.

https://news.yahoo.com/washington-sa...164618253.html

Kinda makes u wonder, where all this anti China propaganda will lead to. Thinking back, before the U.S took down Iraq their was a good few years leading up to the U.S led invasion with anti Iraq propaganda on all major news outlets world wide. Will the U.S Provoke China ? Scary stuff to think about. 1 Billion Chinese vs the U.S and its allies and both sides have Nukes.

How many Allies list the USA as their major trading partner? and how many list China as theirs.... America would be falling on its own sword.

Remove access to Chinese rare-earth minerals and your current military and technology industry would be totally and utterly fucked..

Do note the location chosen for Xi's reply to Trump...

"Xi made the call for self-reliance during a trip to JL Mag Rare-Earth, a major rare earths processing company in Ganzhou"

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...s-long-term-us

[HomerSimpson]

Originally Posted by CrazyMartin

i hope Huawei make own version of android, no problem with this

fuck google! they will lost

They do not need new OS - they can use Android since it's free.

What they need is their own app store, their email client and browser and I think they have it all covered...

So they'll just put their store app in their android build and will sell phones like that... And that's about it...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

How many Allies list the USA as their major trading partner? and how many list China as theirs.... America would be falling on its own sword.

Remove access to Chinese rare-earth minerals and your current military and technology industry would be totally and utterly fucked..

Do note the location chosen for Xi's reply to Trump...

"Xi made the call for self-reliance during a trip to JL Mag Rare-Earth, a major rare earths processing company in Ganzhou"

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...s-long-term-us

This just shows how fast China has climbed up the ladder. By selling so much stuff to so many countries that buy back less from them. If major countries decided to take the road you suggest, China would sink within months.

Remember China is a dictatorship country with only one party allowed to stand, it has a terrible reputation for human rights, walks over the rights of citizens, high rate of executions, murders political opponents, etc. But it makes cheap stuff so we ignore all that.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This just shows how fast China has climbed up the ladder. By selling so much stuff to so many countries that buy back less from them. If major countries decided to take the road you suggest, China would sink within months.

Remember China is a dictatorship country with only one party allowed to stand, it has a terrible reputation for human rights, walks over the rights of citizens, high rate of executions, murders political opponents, etc. But it makes cheap stuff so we ignore all that.

when are you moving back to the expensive UK you hypocrite rat bastard

you fucking even do not speak the language of the country you live in you fucking sell out