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Lichen · 09-26-2019, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

god thanks it has changed.

I go to a show to make money

How much do you charge for a BJ?

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Originally Posted by thommy

i can still remember when one night at the bar i made a big deal with someone who asked me my name

Did he tip you good? Did he pay you extra for the rimjob?

Paul Markham · 09-26-2019, 09:30 AM

The difference between offline and online porn shows is online was unwilling to allow customers into shows while offline welcomed them. So offline shows were huge and online shows small. At the same time and location.

Offline were doing deals talking business and making more money than online because of this.

Letting in the general public was a great boost, charging them reduced stands cost, allowed companies to promote themselves to customers, showed off models to customers, gave the press an excuse to cover the event even to the extent of TV media turning up.

Trade only days and areas allowed business to be done. We thought it better to exclude the public. This resulted in Brussels offline shows being bigger than Vegas online shows. Anyone suggesting the offline companies were spending money to look cool is more stupid than I thought. We were kings at wasting money to look cool.

Anyone suggesting business isn't done at night in the bar is also stupid. Every trade show has a hotel designated for the trade, so deals can be done.

CaptainHowdy · 09-26-2019, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The difference between offline and online porn shows is online was unwilling to allow customers into shows while offline welcomed them. So offline shows were huge and online shows small. At the same time and location.

Offline were doing deals talking business and making more money than online because of this.

Letting in the general public was a great boost, charging them reduced stands cost, allowed companies to promote themselves to customers, showed off models to customers, gave the press an excuse to cover the event even to the extent of TV media turning up.

Trade only days and areas allowed business to be done. We thought it better to exclude the public. This resulted in Brussels offline shows being bigger than Vegas online shows. Anyone suggesting the offline companies were spending money to look cool is more stupid than I thought. We were kings at wasting money to look cool.

Anyone suggesting business isn't done at night in the bar is also stupid. Every trade show has a hotel designated for the trade, so deals can be done.

Glad your arm is doing fine, Paul . . .

Grapesoda · 09-26-2019, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

god thanks it has changed.

I go to a show to make money and not to see more tits than the ones I already have to look at anyway.

I can wank on the balance of my bank account but not on promogirls that another has paid for it to impress me.

envy you don't have to learn to be successful and nothing else were these shows from once as a huge penis comparison without meaningful information.

i can still remember when one night at the bar i made a big deal with someone who asked me my name the next day and wanted to know what i was doing.

of course - funny memories - but business today is much cooler and much more interesting because all the virgins who gave birth to a child and held themselves up for the reincarnation of maria are back to the holes they came from.

google translate? not sure I understand your post

Grapesoda · 09-26-2019, 12:26 PM

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we are not the porn business and we never have been the porn business. we are the adult industry since the beginning.

I've never viewed webmasters as being in adult', from my perspective as a producer. I veined myself as a photographer, however I had to 'hide' what I was doing. i think webmasters can work at Starbucks, hence not in adult.

Grapesoda · 09-26-2019, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tjeezers_Brokerbabe

Summits and Shows have requested more maturity from the event photographers in how they put people on the lens, most summit organizers do not want to be portraited as massive sex orgies, it creates the wrong expectations and ideas. Just my 2 cents.

the visuals are everything these days

thommy · 09-26-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lichen

How much do you charge for a BJ?

too much for you

MatureKing · 09-26-2019, 01:49 PM

Online porn has come from offline shows?

CaptainHowdy · 09-26-2019, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MatureKing

Online porn has come from offline shows?

american pervert · 09-26-2019, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I've never viewed webmasters as being in adult', from my perspective as a producer. I veined myself as a photographer, however I had to 'hide' what I was doing. i think webmasters can work at Starbucks, hence not in adult.

webmasters are like the adult store clerks who sell porn movies, mags, toys, etc...

InfoGuy · 09-26-2019, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Now people selling porn think porn is a bad thing and afraid people selling and creating massive sex orgies creates the wrong expectations and ideas if they indulge in massive sex orgies!!!!

It has nothing to do with industry insiders' thoughts about porn being good or bad. In the earlier days, law enforcement was lax with regards to porn shows. Times have changed regarding nudity at shows because show operators are now concerned that law enforcement could possibly shut down their shows based on perceived prostitution. If law enforcement thought there was a public orgy taking place, everyone there would get arrested.

Paul Markham · 09-27-2019, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MatureKing

Online porn has come from offline shows?

Most early sales came from offline porn.

Paul Markham · 09-27-2019, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

It has nothing to do with industry insiders' thoughts about porn being good or bad. In the earlier days, law enforcement was lax with regards to porn shows. Times have changed regarding nudity at shows because show operators are now concerned that law enforcement could possibly shut down their shows based on perceived prostitution. If law enforcement thought there was a public orgy taking place, everyone there would get arrested.

Stop thinking of America being the only place. Europe is more relaxed.

Did you go to the Miami shows and see all the girls in bikinis?

Paul Markham · 09-27-2019, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Glad your arm is doing fine, Paul . . .

Took me ages to type that.

The business has shrunk, companies can no longer afford to overspend on shows. Add the costs of a stand, staff, hotel, flights or even just attending a show and it's obvious the costs are too much now against the returns.

15 years ago no one cared about the ROI of a show blowing high 5 or 6 figures showed you were capable of doing it. Today people are making less and spending less, so going to a show has to be profitable and with modern technology person to person business can be done from home.

InfoGuy · 09-27-2019, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Took me ages to type that.

The business has shrunk, companies can no longer afford to overspend on shows. Add the costs of a stand, staff, hotel, flights or even just attending a show and it's obvious the costs are too much now against the returns.

15 years ago no one cared about the ROI of a show blowing high 5 or 6 figures showed you were capable of doing it. Today people are making less and spending less, so going to a show has to be profitable and with modern technology person to person business can be done from home.

The ROI has also dropped because it's mostly the same people going to adult B2B shows, month after month, quarter after quarter, year after year. Why spend 5 or 6 figures at a show when there are few new business opportunities?

InfoGuy · 09-27-2019, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Stop thinking of America being the only place. Europe is more relaxed.

Did you go to the Miami shows and see all the girls in bikinis?

Does law enforcement allow public orgies at European shows?

There's a huge difference, as girls in bikinis are not showing their genitals.

Klen · 09-27-2019, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Does law enforcement allow public orgies at European shows?

There's a huge difference, as girls in bikinis are not showing their genitals.

It does , but it differ from country to country. That is why some performers doing sex act with sheet in order to stay compliant with law.

Paul Markham · 09-27-2019, 07:52 AM

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webmasters are like the adult store clerks who sell porn movies, mags, toys, etc...

And we all know how good most of them are.

This discussion is unbelievable, because we have people in the porn industry discussing the value of having porn at a show.

What next a car show where people debate if they should have cars at the show?

I understand the law limits what can be shown, but a porn show should feature porn. If attendees aren't interested in porn they are like store clerks useless.

thommy · 09-27-2019, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If attendees aren't interested in porn they are like store clerks useless.

the only one that is useless is you because you babbling about things that you never understood and will never understand.

if you or any other of the past time honks would really make that much money in this times I wonder why none of you can enjoy his millionair life ?

show me one that agrees with you and can afford to buy a used bicycle from his own money.

old fucktards that got asskicked when the real (but a bit more complicated) chances came up.

obviously you can't even earn enough money if it hits you on the head. so don't tell us anything about your entrepreneur genius, because you never were one and you are much less today.

kjs · 09-27-2019, 10:52 AM

Can y'all hurry up and die already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhTuYKR-ejo

trevesty · 09-27-2019, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

the only one that is useless is you because you babbling about things that you never understood and will never understand.

if you or any other of the past time honks would really make that much money in this times I wonder why none of you can enjoy his millionair life ?

show me one that agrees with you and can afford to buy a used bicycle from his own money.

old fucktards that got asskicked when the real (but a bit more complicated) chances came up.

obviously you can't even earn enough money if it hits you on the head. so don't tell us anything about your entrepreneur genius, because you never were one and you are much less today.

I know a couple of the pioneers in the DVD / VHS / broadcast world very well and neither one of them have any clue who Paul is. They also don't live in a shack in Eastern Europe.

Paul Markham · 09-28-2019, 02:00 AM

No reason has been given why a porn show doesn't feature porn unless the law forbids it and the cost is beyond most companies.

So nerds retreat to personnel abuse because they have nothing left.

thommy · 09-28-2019, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

I know a couple of the pioneers in the DVD / VHS / broadcast world very well and neither one of them have any clue who Paul is. They also don't live in a shack in Eastern Europe.

that´s what i say.
I also know a lot of them and many of them are still in biz. they have just adapted the new concept and are still doing good as usual.

i don't really care what others do and think but i will never understand that people who just couldn't see over the mountain then later say there is nothing behind the mountain.

the times paul knows were the beginning times of the internet and they were as good as the beginning times of the cinema where you had to pre-order tickets for weeks because there were only a few of them.

paul didn't invent the internet or pornography. he didn't find any techniques to transfer the whole thing to the net or to think up a way to pay online.

none of it was invented just for porn and the internet is therefore a future business because all this applies to everything.

So he didn't get the idea of the internet and he still believes that all this was created just for his benefit.

people like paul never understood that they could only earn money because the real professionals weren't running yet.
as soon as someone with a brain shows up, all these amateurs have to throw in the towel.

i bet paul sits at home in front of his goldfish bowl and says to the fish: i told you not to jump in there - now you have to drown!

Ferus · 09-28-2019, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No reason has been given why a porn show doesn't feature porn unless the law forbids it and the cost is beyond most companies.

So nerds retreat to personnel abuse because they have nothing left.

Or you could answer the question about why you live in that shithole with no money to your name when you are as smart as you claim....

thommy · 09-28-2019, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

Or you could answer the question about why you live in that shithole with no money to your name when you are as smart as you claim....

the years before my mother died with over 90, she was telling me every day that she spoke with here own mother, who was sitting in a tree in our garden.

nobody was able to explain her that her mother was already dead over 50 years NOBODY!

I am also over 60 and i fear nothing more than the day when I think that all I know is an unchangeable fact. I hope I will die before I am another paul.

Paul Markham · 09-29-2019, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

Or you could answer the question about why you live in that shithole with no money to your name when you are as smart as you claim....

Why answer a lie?

Give us good reasons a porn show doesn't feature porn?

What is it that the site of naked people would deter people from doing business?

Why would opening up shows to paying customers, with designated trade only areas, be a bad thing?

You think knowing and experiencing how offline shows used to be makes someone claim he's smart. When all it took was being there. You're not very bright.

Like people who think a magazine photographer would be known by DVD / VHS / broadcast people. Different sides of the industry. Ask magazine and online people.

MaDalton · 09-29-2019, 01:15 AM

Stop insulting Brno just because Paul lives here...

12clicks · 09-30-2019, 06:47 AM

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Many factors.......

1. The "my dick is bigger than yours" programs have all ceased to exist, those egos have either retired, or faded into a shadow of their former selves.

2. Late 90's money was easy, tell people it's free, and they take the bait

3. Most people have realized that it is far more profitable to work behind the scenes, off the radar, with private personal deals

4. Affiliates have shot themselves in the foot with ever demanding higher and higher payouts, tons of promotional materials, immediately available reps, all for their 6 sales a month.

We live in a world where traffic buyers realize that 95% of all "affiliates" were absolutely useless to the bottom line. Far better to send people a personal gift as a thank you, or a lunch/dinner with an associate than to spend money on a bunch of the terminally useless.

This.

The other driver of boobs and parties was always to gather up as many idiot webmasters as possible. Back in the day there were plenty of guys who got into the business because they were losers looking at naked pictures all day and fell into a way to make money from it. Businesses were simply giving those rabble who lived the life what they wanted while they were valuable. Those people are no longer valuable and most of them have returned to their former jobs in fast food.

Quite frankly, its difficult to convince me that I need to go to ANY show now. I can fly into a city, see the couple people who are important to me, and fly home. A good dinner, a good night out, and no embarrassing bottom feeder with a porn teeshirt explaining how you are both pornographers.

Those of us who SELL the life simply have no time or need for those of you still trying to LIVE the life.

thommy · 09-30-2019, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

This.

The other driver of boobs and parties was always to gather up as many idiot webmasters as possible. Back in the day there were plenty of guys who got into the business because they were losers looking at naked pictures all day and fell into a way to make money from it. Businesses were simply giving those rabble who lived the life what they wanted while they were valuable. Those people are no longer valuable and most of them have returned to their former jobs in fast food.

THIS is what paul does not understand.
the biz in this days was that easy that every moron could make money.
and as soon as it is public that there is money on the street the ones with skills will show up and take it over.

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Quite frankly, its difficult to convince me that I need to go to ANY show now. I can fly into a city, see the couple people who are important to me, and fly home. A good dinner, a good night out, and no embarrassing bottom feeder with a porn teeshirt explaining how you are both pornographers.

well, marketing in general does mostly not only include the people you already know (if so you are lucky). an exhibition is always a chance to make new contacts - even when you will not need them today. but in some future you will.

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Those of us who SELL the life simply have no time or need for those of you still trying to LIVE the life.

or we see it as a job - no butcher will go to an exhibition to see how pigs get killed.
if this is the reason why he makes his job he is so wrong in his biz as one who is in the pornbiz because he can watch porn.

Konda · 09-30-2019, 07:42 AM

Even back in the day (I started going to the shows in 1998 or 1999) I didn't understand why there were many booths and parties with nude girls and even live sex etc. To me it always felt like a sausage party filled with weird guys that lived in their moms basements and never had sex or seen naked girls in real life before and old dirty content producer guys. For me in my late teens/early twenties this was very creepy, I really saw them as dirty creepy guys. I came to the shows to make new contacts for credit card processors, content deals, traffic deals, new products, learn about the latest marketing methods etc. I had no desire to watch some people having sex or nude girls masturbating together with 100+ other guys. If I wanted to see nude girls I'd go to a nice club and pick up a girl there.

Real business was always done at the private dinners and parties at high end nightclubs (and some in strip clubs and suite parties that did have nude girls, but that didn't feel so creepy) and that is still happening today. A lot of big business for the online adult industry now even gets done in shows that don't even officially allow any adult/nudity such as Affiliate World.

I don't think it has to do with age. Back then most of the guys in the business, especially on the marketing end, were guys that sat at their house or moms basement making easy money without any skill and investment. Now it is taken over by professional corporations, and smart media buyers who don't need to see nude girls in a room filled with guys.

There is so much going on in this industry that most guys here don't seem to have any idea about. Most guys seem to have no idea where all the money is flowing and how or what kind of people are making the money now. To today's people it doesn't matter what exact product they sell, as long as it has a good ROI.

Ferus · 09-30-2019, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG

Stop insulting Brno just because Paul lives here...

Sorry! Brno have nice areas... just not the area where Paul lives

CaptainHowdy · 09-30-2019, 07:54 AM

Overall, nothing is permanent . . . or the only permanent thing is nothingness.

Ferus · 09-30-2019, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why answer a lie?

Give us good reasons a porn show doesn't feature porn?

What is it that the site of naked people would deter people from doing business?

Why would opening up shows to paying customers, with designated trade only areas, be a bad thing?

You think knowing and experiencing how offline shows used to be makes someone claim he's smart. When all it took was being there. You're not very bright.

Like people who think a magazine photographer would be known by DVD / VHS / broadcast people. Different sides of the industry. Ask magazine and online people.

It's not a lie... wake the fuck up Paul, you were done 13 years ago!
You live in that shithole with no money to your name, relying on social welfare just to get by. The average busdriver salery of CZK 34,105 would be a luxury for you.

It cost less than $50,- to get the public records on anything with your name on it. And dont give me the bullshit about "its registered in your partners name"... I checked those as well... all of them.

thommy · 09-30-2019, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

Even back in the day (I started going to the shows in 1998 or 1999) I didn't understand why there were many booths and parties with nude girls and even live sex etc. To me it always felt like a sausage party filled with weird guys that lived in their moms basements and never had sex or seen naked girls in real life before and old dirty content producer guys. For me in my late teens/early twenties this was very creepy, I really saw them as dirty creepy guys. I came to the shows to make new contacts for credit card processors, content deals, traffic deals, new products, learn about the latest marketing methods etc. I had no desire to watch some people having sex or nude girls masturbating together with 100+ other guys. If I wanted to see nude girls I'd go to a nice club and pick up a girl there.

Real business was always done at the private dinners and parties at high end nightclubs (and some in strip clubs and suite parties that did have nude girls, but that didn't feel so creepy) and that is still happening today. A lot of big business for the online adult industry now even gets done in shows that don't even officially allow any adult/nudity such as Affiliate World.

I don't think it has to do with age. Back then most of the guys in the business, especially on the marketing end, were guys that sat at their house making easy money. Now it is taken over by professional corporations and smart media buyers who don't need to see nude girls in a room filled with guys.

There is so much going on in this industry that most guys here don't seem to have any idea about. Most guys seem to have no idea where all the money is flowing and how or what kind of people are making the money now.

100% agree - but paul will not because he never understood internet.
today each one of the top amateurs from mydirtyhobby makes much more money as paul ever did in his "golden days" and if you look in all amateur portals you will find out that the number of this top amateurs is 100 times bigger as the number of so called "porn-producers" in this good old days.

he assumes that the cake is now smaller or gone because he can not even get a crumb out of it. so his professional quality is the same as from those you have described and who are back to work as trainee at McDonalds.

but gis type of people will perfer to bite their own tounge as to admit that they are amateurs that where lucky enough to make money in a time when we all have been just amateurs.

Rochard · 09-30-2019, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I've never viewed webmasters as being in adult', from my perspective as a producer. I veined myself as a photographer, however I had to 'hide' what I was doing. i think webmasters can work at Starbucks, hence not in adult.

I disagree with this. While I no longer produce content, I still work in adult. I cannot go into Starbucks and do my job. I can't be in Starbucks cropping images of naked chicks. It's adult content.

ghjghj · 09-30-2019, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I still work in adult

Do your peers respect you?

Paul Markham · 10-01-2019, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

This.

The other driver of boobs and parties was always to gather up as many idiot webmasters as possible. Back in the day there were plenty of guys who got into the business because they were losers looking at naked pictures all day and fell into a way to make money from it. Businesses were simply giving those rabble who lived the life what they wanted while they were valuable. Those people are no longer valuable and most of them have returned to their former jobs in fast food.

Quite frankly, its difficult to convince me that I need to go to ANY show now. I can fly into a city, see the couple people who are important to me, and fly home. A good dinner, a good night out, and no embarrassing bottom feeder with a porn teeshirt explaining how you are both pornographers.

Those of us who SELL the life simply have no time or need for those of you still trying to LIVE the life.

Most of the billionaires I knew in offline porn loved seeing naked or semi clad girls Flynt, Raymond, Gold, Sullivan, etc. Right the way down to photographers like me. They knew what to market, create, sell, without a page full of stats to tell them.

Now we have people who do need stats to tell them whats good. Who don't want to see naked girls and even worse will keep them out and reduce the effectiveness of the shows. They excluded customers because of the arrogance of webmasters a truly stupid move.

And the excuse is some didn't want to see semi naked girls on a stand. So don't look at the naked girls because true pornographers get to see it in our jobs and it becomes meaningless to us, however we know it sells.

Tell us about your sites.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2019, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus

It's not a lie... wake the fuck up Paul, you were done 13 years ago!
You live in that shithole with no money to your name, relying on social welfare just to get by. The average busdriver salery of CZK 34,105 would be a luxury for you.

It cost less than $50,- to get the public records on anything with your name on it. And dont give me the bullshit about "its registered in your partners name"... I checked those as well... all of them.

Lies. I live in a picturess town outside Brno and no public records will give my Private Pensions.

So

you liar.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2019, 04:51 AM

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I disagree with this. While I no longer produce content, I still work in adult. I cannot go into Starbucks and do my job. I can't be in Starbucks cropping images of naked chicks. It's adult content.

The problem is a lot of the webmasters are ashamed of their urges. So excluding what drives them is a benefit to them.

And some don't have any affinity to the product the sell so are not really selling, they just offer up packages based on stats. 12clunks would be useless at building a site of a product he had no clue whether it was good or bad. Did these guys never look at porn as a consumer before they came to the business or were they avid consumers guilty of their urges.

Some admit to going to strip clubs and paying for what they don't want for free at a show. So the free shows must have put them off doing business.

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webmasters can work at Starbucks, hence not in adult.

If they are just crunching numbers they can and a lot of webmasters do just that.

thommy · 10-01-2019, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Most of the billionaires I knew in offline porn loved seeing naked or semi clad girls Flynt, Raymond, Gold, Sullivan, etc. Right the way down to photographers like me. They knew what to market, create, sell, without a page full of stats to tell them.

lool - you are talking about pimps and real estate tycoons and magazins that are not worth the paper they are printed on today.
why don´t you start with julius cesar ?

again paul - you DEFINATELY do not have a clue of what you are talking about when you think you are one like flynt, raymond etc....
you know them? but i am sure they don´t know you.
these people where business man and not amateurs like you and they always adapted.

you could not even adapt when things changed from SD to HD.
there are thousands in the adult biz today that make 100 times more per year as you and a few others made in their best years.

so keep on dreaming in yesterday while we enjoy the money of today and tomorrow.

Rochard · 10-01-2019, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

The ROI has also dropped because it's mostly the same people going to adult B2B shows, month after month, quarter after quarter, year after year. Why spend 5 or 6 figures at a show when there are few new business opportunities?

LOL. The tax write off.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2019, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL. The tax write off.

Tax Write offs only apply to companies making millions in profit. Writing off the cost of a show, stand, staff, entertainment, hotels food, flights and time away from doing real work only matters if the real work is worth it.

Back in the days when money was easy to come by people went to shows for a break from work. Today they all admit they can't afford that.

Today revenue is so low the big spenders are no longer those with access to models to take to shows. Even traffic people have small stands, few staff if that. The days of double floored stands with staff, girls and lots of people attending the show are long gone.

If you want girls go to a car show and find out why they have girls. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...w=1366&bih=625

thommy · 10-01-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Tax Write offs only apply to companies making millions in profit. Writing off the cost of a show, stand, staff, entertainment, hotels food, flights and time away from doing real work only matters if the real work is worth it.

Back in the days when money was easy to come by people went to shows for a break from work. Today they all admit they can't afford that.

Today revenue is so low the big spenders are no longer those with access to models to take to shows. Even traffic people have small stands, few staff if that. The days of double floored stands with staff, girls and lots of people attending the show are long gone.

If you want girls go to a car show and find out why they have girls. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...w=1366&bih=625

someone shut mute you

it is disgusting how much you make yourself a clown.

do yourself a favor a make a poll with title "Am I an idiot?" and see the result

Kittens · 10-01-2019, 11:00 AM

Because not just any schmoe can throw some pics up and a join link and start raking in the money. It takes skills, patience and most of all money to make money in online poorn now days... Long gone are the days of those who throw a few links up and now make tons of money who go out partying constantly. Welcome to the world of business and people who take their business seriously, want professional business oriented settings.

thommy · 10-01-2019, 11:31 AM

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Because not just any schmoe can throw some pics up and a join link and start raking in the money. It takes skills, patience and most of all money to make money in online poorn now days... Long gone are the days of those who throw a few links up and now make tons of money who go out partying constantly. Welcome to the world of business and people who take their business seriously, want professional business oriented settings.

but paul won't understand that.
it's a kind of morbid envy. but since he knows that he himself is not smart enough to have even a little bit of success today, he hates those who have learned to play in a level where he was never allowed to play.

MatureKing · 10-01-2019, 01:39 PM

So many words, think global. We have devices.. smartphones, iPads. May be not too many people spend their time sitting on the computer. Going somewhere. Spend their time talking to someone. Twitter, groups, instagram.. Find models in group and doing it.. Before webcam was leading in that niche or solo sites, but now? We can communicate with who we want. And now much easy to find someone online. Do we back in old times?

emmasexytime · 10-02-2019, 04:45 AM

this is why we are growing findcamgirl.com and findskypesex.com

girls are independent now

12clicks · 10-02-2019, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Most of the billionaires I knew

You don't know any billionaires. You never did.

Kittens · 10-02-2019, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

You don't know any billionaires. You never did.

fucking roasted boys. What's up 12clicks you old goat.

CaptainHowdy · 10-02-2019, 07:51 AM

Paul hasn't lost his award-winning troll touch . . .

09-26-2019, 09:30 AM	#52
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The difference between offline and online porn shows is online was unwilling to allow customers into shows while offline welcomed them. So offline shows were huge and online shows small. At the same time and location. Offline were doing deals talking business and making more money than online because of this. Letting in the general public was a great boost, charging them reduced stands cost, allowed companies to promote themselves to customers, showed off models to customers, gave the press an excuse to cover the event even to the extent of TV media turning up. Trade only days and areas allowed business to be done. We thought it better to exclude the public. This resulted in Brussels offline shows being bigger than Vegas online shows. Anyone suggesting the offline companies were spending money to look cool is more stupid than I thought. We were kings at wasting money to look cool. Anyone suggesting business isn't done at night in the bar is also stupid. Every trade show has a hotel designated for the trade, so deals can be done. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-27-2019, 10:52 AM	#70
kjs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: West Coast Posts: 167	Can y'all hurry up and die already? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhTuYKR-ejo __________________ Skype: live:1794c463efa7cc23

09-28-2019, 02:00 AM	#72
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	No reason has been given why a porn show doesn't feature porn unless the law forbids it and the cost is beyond most companies. So nerds retreat to personnel abuse because they have nothing left. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-29-2019, 01:15 AM	#77
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,821	Stop insulting Brno just because Paul lives here... __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

09-30-2019, 07:54 AM	#82
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,984	Overall, nothing is permanent . . . or the only permanent thing is nothingness. __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!

09-26-2019, 01:49 PM	#58
MatureKing Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,649	Online porn has come from offline shows?

09-30-2019, 07:42 AM	#80
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	Even back in the day (I started going to the shows in 1998 or 1999) I didn't understand why there were many booths and parties with nude girls and even live sex etc. To me it always felt like a sausage party filled with weird guys that lived in their moms basements and never had sex or seen naked girls in real life before and old dirty content producer guys. For me in my late teens/early twenties this was very creepy, I really saw them as dirty creepy guys. I came to the shows to make new contacts for credit card processors, content deals, traffic deals, new products, learn about the latest marketing methods etc. I had no desire to watch some people having sex or nude girls masturbating together with 100+ other guys. If I wanted to see nude girls I'd go to a nice club and pick up a girl there. Real business was always done at the private dinners and parties at high end nightclubs (and some in strip clubs and suite parties that did have nude girls, but that didn't feel so creepy) and that is still happening today. A lot of big business for the online adult industry now even gets done in shows that don't even officially allow any adult/nudity such as Affiliate World. I don't think it has to do with age. Back then most of the guys in the business, especially on the marketing end, were guys that sat at their house or moms basement making easy money without any skill and investment. Now it is taken over by professional corporations, and smart media buyers who don't need to see nude girls in a room filled with guys. There is so much going on in this industry that most guys here don't seem to have any idea about. Most guys seem to have no idea where all the money is flowing and how or what kind of people are making the money now. To today's people it doesn't matter what exact product they sell, as long as it has a good ROI.

10-01-2019, 11:00 AM	#94
Kittens 👏 REVOLUTIONARY 👏 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,440	Because not just any schmoe can throw some pics up and a join link and start raking in the money. It takes skills, patience and most of all money to make money in online poorn now days... Long gone are the days of those who throw a few links up and now make tons of money who go out partying constantly. Welcome to the world of business and people who take their business seriously, want professional business oriented settings. __________________

10-01-2019, 01:39 PM	#96
MatureKing Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,649	So many words, think global. We have devices.. smartphones, iPads. May be not too many people spend their time sitting on the computer. Going somewhere. Spend their time talking to someone. Twitter, groups, instagram.. Find models in group and doing it.. Before webcam was leading in that niche or solo sites, but now? We can communicate with who we want. And now much easy to find someone online. Do we back in old times? __________________ legendary MOVIE - Can I take your photo? (~short movie) Hell Thailand - trailer Hell Thailand - movie

10-02-2019, 04:45 AM	#97
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10-02-2019, 07:51 AM	#100
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,984	Paul hasn't lost his award-winning troll touch . . . __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!