bean-aid

This planet. Chat traffic is ugly, and it's not traffic. It's people being mislead they are going to get laid. This is about traffic... millions of uniques, and how to convert it. Not some philipino saying sucky fucky at your local mcd's but first signup here...

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JSWENSON

I rarely post here but remembered you as a know it all shit disturber. You and Paul should get along great.

What you described is some dumb fuckistan version of chat traffic. Since I did it an entirely different way almost 20 years ago I am positive that someone else on the planet has figured it out.

Anyhow, I'd take that over 17 Sara Swirls hits per month.

askjoe

Hey Paul,

Tell me what kind of music is not playin on radiostations and tv´s ?
You get it now ?

Once upon a time people had to pay to listen to live music, because there were no radio
or recording devices available (no lp, no tv, no cd, dvd or internet streams).

Similar is not exact yours. And by the way. Time changes, so people and their behavior does.


If you want to adapt into the new way of monetization, upload your art on tubes and
tag them correctly. See what comes in (this traffic is for free ) .

This way you will give users a bit of your art
and let them decide if they want to buy the whole shabang.

bean-aid

Weren't you the profile that had like a skipping man in the wind when you first started?

JSWENSON

Fucking Psy? Psy wasn't out when I "started" here 15+ years ago.

bean-aid

But you must have kept that till 2010 or so when I first found this board... you were skipping in the wind. Reminds me of a liberal... not sure why.

JSWENSON

Because I'm not a retarded ass conservative maybe. But those threads have their own section now. Keep your ego inflating, big boy talk while promoting the dumbest bitch in the industry here and politics there.

bean-aid

You are promoting liberal agenda in sig... can you ban yourself to other section?

JSWENSON

Rather watch you start your reign of dumbassery again here. Tell us what brilliant new direction you are pushing the industry this time.

bean-aid

Glad you asked.

I think traffic should all be directed to a "hub".. that hub be free and collect info. Must be a site that actually makes people come back to. From that hub send to the sales which would likely be cams thru api

JSWENSON

You might like this new one then. pornHUB.com

Drop a line sometime if you are on Skype ever. ;)

bean-aid

Damn.. you have no idea what I'm talking about. A real hub

JSWENSON

I know what you're talking about.

bean-aid

What am I talking about skippy?

Paul Markham

So the quality of the content has no or little effect on you. Or does it?

How do you pay for the content from outside producers?
Are these content owners people with thriving sites or ones who no longer can be bothered?
Are you willing to take anything and send traffic to it which all converts in a similar ratio?
Will you keep sending traffic to sites that don't convert?



We agree on this.

Would we be making more if porn tubes didn't give away 100s of millions porn scenes?
Con a customer once he blames the seller, con him twice he blames himself and doesn't get conned for a third time. By not buying. Thommy scrapes the bottom of the barrel and claims it's making everyone richer?

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Stupid argument.

You can have the best traffic in the world, which porn traffic used to be, without content to sell them it's down to Thommy to make a living off it.

You won't sell crappy content if you have enough traffic. And that's the cruncher.

If you have two sites selling the same niche, style, models and (A) is a shot by a good cameraman and (B) shot by someone who is bad. And switch the traffic sending all the traffic to the (B) how long will you stick at it while conversion ratios drop?

How long before you send the traffic to (A)?

How long did you promote Bunny Ranch before you realised it made you less money than sending traffic to other sites with better content?

Why are you no longer sending traffic to porn sites 24/7?

Exactly, you've mostly abandoned selling porn because content is king and is free everywhere.

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So the top sites grew there traffic, how? By having lots of back links, affiliates sending traffic to them when it didn't convert?

Affiliates are the ones who say traffic is king, but tell them they won't be getting free samples they can give away, tell them the TGPs are crap and won't get listed, convert their traffic worse than another site and watch as the traffic falls.

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So musicians and actors are paid for turning up and not the quality of their work?

Once upon a time????

Is it the traffic you send or the content on the site that makes a surfer decide whether to buy? Do you promote sites that don't convert? Does all traffic, in one niche, convert at a similar ratio or are sites converting at different ratios?

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thommy

why are you always talking about content?
what is the "content" on a dating site i.e ?
a beautiful young girl or an old fat lady?


ohhh actually you got it correct so replace A with a porn membersite and B with whatever other product that sells better, brings higher profits and have a bigger interest group.

if you have 100.000 potential buyers on a site and only 1000 of them spend 100 dollars per year for porn but ALL others spend 10 dollars for something else - WHERE is the bigger market ?

you should really learn to use a calculater if you can not use your brain.

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OldJeff

Not a chat sale in there

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thommy

tell me what music you hate and i will send you a list of multi millionairs that made ist with this "crap".

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JSWENSON

Can someone get Paul to break down how stupid Netflix is to have content that cost hundreds of billions to produce and to give it away so cheap?

Or maybe he can break down NBC giving it all away for free.

MaDalton

no further comment needed

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JSWENSON

Why does amazon sell shit so cheap? Do you know how much money booksellers made before these assholes just gave them away?

The Porn Nerd

How do you pay for the content from outside producers?
I send them money via PayPal or credit card.

Are these content owners people with thriving sites or ones who no longer can be bothered?
Both. Some have stopped shooting but have a library of content they want to monetize while others film but do so in non-English speaking territories and want a 'western' or English-speaking online presence. Win-win.

Are you willing to take anything and send traffic to it which all converts in a similar ratio?
This is called the 'testing phase' where you send traffic to a new site and see if it converts. If it does not then you play around with the design a few times. If it still does not convert then yes you move on. Understand also that not every site converts 'in a similar ratio'.

So here's the thing Paul: sometimes you simply cannot tell what will convert until you throw traffic at it and it doesn't matter what I think is 'quality content' or not. I had a site recently with some of the best 4K content I have ever seen. Beautifully shot, incredible lighting, music and editing. The girls were gorgeous. The site name (which I always create) was stellar. Guess what? We did a sale or two a week until after two years the guy pulled the site.

Now at the same exact time I launched what I considered to be pure shit content. Old, SD, big '80's-style hair, bad lighting, fake-looking MILFs and burned-out crack whores. Guess what? It's one of my most consistent sites, selling about 20 full Memberships (no trials) a week. So go figure. This is why you always test, test, test.

Will you keep sending traffic to sites that don't convert?
Obviously not - but here's something I have noticed, which is why I do not give up too quickly on a new site: for whatever reason there seems to be what I call "Internet lag time". Meaning, sometimes you send traffic to a site for months and it converts like shit (or not at all). But then suddenly, magically, it begins to convert! Sometimes a slow build until it reaches a plateau and other times ZOOM out of nowhere. Of course, it may never convert well like the example above. But these days my time frame for working a site has grown to over a year minimum before I deem it a 'failure' or not worth my time.

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JSWENSON

6-12 months for Google to give authority to a site in most cases.

Paul Markham

You send them money before you puttheir content online or after and a split of what you take?

So mostly people who no longer find it profitable to send their own traffic. You putting their content into a huge bundle allows them to make some money.

So the content determines the sales and therefore the traffic. Why don't you agree with me from the beginning. Content is king. Because if traffic was,just sending it would determine sales.

So something about the content turned viewers off and you're not able to see it and assume everyone isn't able to see it. Send me a link and maybe I can tell you why it turns people off. Because the viewers need more than being sent to a site to make them buy, you just can't see what they can and assume everyone couldn't. But surfers can. Agreeing with me once again content is king.

Agreeing with me once again content is king.

Agreeing with me once again content is king.

Content is the deciding factor in whether a site converts, affiliates send traffic and the business makes money.

PN does agree with me content is king. Throwing more traffic at a site that has bad content doesn't solve the situation. Getting better content does solve the situation.

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Most of you agree with PN that sending traffic doesn't determine the success or failure of a site. Upgrading the content does determine the success or failure of a site, so long as you don't over spend on the content.

That's the cruncher. Since day one the Internet has largely been unable to pay what offline pays for content.The exceptions are those with in house content producers usually partners or bosses. No one paid consistently what magazines or DVD companies paid for the product. Until online killed off offline and removed the option.

Unless you pay the top producers the right money you will never get the content needed to turn a surfer into a member, get him to stay a member and to return. Just sending more traffic doesn't change the situation.

Today who works at sending traffic to sites that don't convert, who works at sending traffic to porn sites like they did in 2006. What's changed? Tubes have arrived with 100,000s of free videos and the traffic followed the content.

If traffic were king, content would still get the same traffic, still convert the same and you wouldn't be changing how you work.

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thommy

I keep wondering what makes you think you're capable of explaining to anyone how to make money.
with what you've brought to the line, it's enough to just survive in a shabby house on a cheap village in CZ. how much on the ground would someone have to be who considers that worthwhile?

I don't think you ever get to the point where you're embarrassing yourself, right?

what keeps you from taking 2 or 3 hundred a thousand euro into your hands - to get 4 or 5 young, fresh people and tell them how they earn money? as the owner of such a company you would earn super with all your knowledge, wouldn't you?

but it just starts with the fact that you don't have 2 or 3 hundred thousand euro for it - which already tells a lot about your success story so far.
you also won't find anyone who will give you 2 or 3 hundred thousand euro for it, because people who have it to risk it as venture capital would run away after 2 minutes if they heard you talking.

you want to teach people how to climb mountains and have never seen a mountain before - and that really makes you the clown of this board

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fuzebox

This is the crux of Paul's mindset.

SRProductions

I hate to say it but traffic > content because you need the traffic to make money to make the content.

Paul Markham

That's a very good point, you need people to want, like or think they want something to get them to buy it.. As porn is linked to our sex drives I think the need is there even before the product existed.

Bottom line is no one can ignore that Tubes have the most content, surfers are more interested in Tubes than buying and fewer here are prepared to spend their time pushing porn because of that.

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thommy

yes paul - we all came run porn producers into bankruptcy...
we fill our day by giving free porn away and in the evening we go to clean toilets and bring the neighbors dogs to walk to make some money to survive and pay the servers.
what a shame that we did not listen to you.

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